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[quote:SaveTheLivingEntities:MV8xNTI4NjUzXzI1MjQyMTk2X0QyQjgyNTM2] [quote:Advaita Vedantist] [quote:SaveTheLivingEntities] [quote:irasciblerasal 1428775] [quote:SaveTheLivingEntities] [quote:Anonymous Coward 1427822] Do you or have you ever eaten beef? [/quote] I do not eat beef, and I have never eaten beef. My father and I follow a strict lacto-vegetarian diet. [quote:Anonymous Coward 1427405] Akasha records? the body is just a moment in the records... we have experienced a lot, some more so than others... and all is recorded in the Akasha records. The Vedas believes in a hierarchy, a royalty of such, and there are 'sects'/classes... this turned me off to the Vedas. Opie, if I am wrong, please correct me. [/quote] The Vedas do not teach of Akashic records. All rememberance and forgetfulness are supplied by the Super Soul, who resides in the heart of every living entity. The Super Soul knows our every desire, and places us within the universe at the appropriate time and place. The Vedic hierarchy is that there is only One Supreme Personality of Godhead, and that all the administrative entities of the Universe are subordinate to him. [quote:OmarEastwind] [quote:SaveTheLivingEntities] [quote:OmarEastwind] Interesting post! Here's a question: What is ego? [/quote] False ego means accepting this body as oneself. When one understands that he is not his body and is spirit soul, he comes to his real ego. Ego is there. False ego is condemned, but not real ego. In the Vedic literature ([i]Brhad-aaranyaka Upanishad[/i] 1.4.10) it is said, [i]ahaà brahmäsmi:[/i] I am Brahman, I am spirit. This "I am," the sense of self, also exists in the [b]liberated stage of self-realization.[/b] This sense of "I am" is ego, but when the sense of "I am" is applied to this [b]false body[/b] it is [b]false ego[/b]. When the sense of self is applied to reality, that is real ego. There are some philosophers who say we should give up our ego, but we cannot give up our ego, because ego means identity. We ought, of course, to give up the false identification with the body. [quote:OmarEastwind] One more, if you don't mind: What is the relationship between the body and the Akasha? [/quote] Akasha ([i]Akasa[/i]) is translated as "Sky" or basically Outer Space. http://vedabase.net/a/akasa Our body has no relationship to the Sky. Perhaps the term you are thinking of is something else? [/quote] Very good answer regarding ego...thank you. My second question has been with me for many years, after reading a book on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. He said one should perform "samyama" on the relationship between the body and akasha...I've never understood that. [/quote] Samyama means restraint, or annihilation. It has to do with controlling the senses. By restraint of senses, or annihilation of material senses, we can leave the Material Sky or Akasha and enter into the Infinite Spiritual Sky or Spiritual Akasha. [quote:Anonymous Coward 1196679] Would this be the same one that uses herbs and stuff with spritual treatmenst to cure poeple, very popular in INdia?.....:)P [/quote] You are speaking of Ayurveda, which was given to us by an Incarnation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the Vedas which describe how to use Food for Medicine. According to Ayurveda, the ancient medical system of the Vedas, given by the Lord in His form of Dhanvantari, cow’s milk is the most beneficial food. Lord Krishna Himself especially loves food offerings prepared with milk products. From ghee (clarified butter), butter, yogurt, buttermilk, and of course milk itself, so many tasty and healthy preparations can be made. Even in our degraded Kali-yuga, the present Age of Quarrel, the cow’s by products are still very popular. Whether it’s milk on their cereals, cream in their coffee, ice-cream, yogurt, or lux-ury leather seats in their cars, most people still benefit from mother cow. Sadly, father bull, the symbol of religion, is cruelly slaughtered, because ox power is one of those so-called primitive practices that has been replaced by the tractor. [quote:Anonymous Coward 1424050] [quote:Anonymous Coward 1427405] [quote:OmarEastwind] One more, if you don't mind: What is the relationship between the body and the Akasha? [/quote] Akasha records? the body is just a moment in the records... we have experienced a lot, some more so than others... and all is recorded in the Akasha records. The Vedas believes in a hierarchy, a royalty of such, and there are 'sects'/classes... this turned me off to the Vedas. Opie, if I am wrong, please correct me. [/quote] the vedas do not believe in the hierarchy - what they do believe in, which of course was mistranslated by the wealthy and powerful - is that every "job" every station in life and time in life is to be respected, honored etc because all paths lead to the divine if the path is followed completely, reverentially, honorably etc etc etc... in other words all paths lead to god. it is the OPPOSITE of how it has been translated. and of course, there are a ton of vedas...for differnt purposes and written at different times. You have to know who you are reading, which interpretation and which lineage they are from. Vaita or Advaita? don't give up on the vedas - just understand that like most holy books, they were written by men, translated by men etc...but, there are still some - where the distortion has been kept to a minimum! hope this helps - sorry OP I had to respond [/quote] This is not entirely correct either. What the Vedas speak about is called Varnashram-dharma, Varnashram-dharma is the division of society, socially and spiritually, into four varnas or occupations (Administrative, Protective, Merchant and Laborer) and four ashrams or spiritual schools (student, househoulder, renounciate and sannyäsa). To maintain proper social order and help the citizens gradually progress toward the goal of life—namely spiritual understanding—the principles of varnashram-dharma must be accepted. Everyone in society falls into one of these categories, and we have inherent qualities that allude to what stage we are on, because we are all on different stages of life. But the point is that you are not BORN into a caste, but you are qualitatively selected, the same way when one enters into the US Military he has to take the ASVAB which determines where at in the service he will do his duty according to his propensities at the time. [quote:Anonymous Coward 1424050] [quote:Anonymous Coward 1196679] Would this be the same one that uses herbs and stuff with spritual treatmenst to cure poeple, very popular in INdia?.....:)P [/quote] yes and no. you are referring to Ayurveda -which is a branch of the vedic teachings - but not specifically the "vedic" we refer to as the philosophy perse [/quote] [/quote] Why is Prabhupada's Bhagavad-gita As It Is still - AFTER 40 FRIGGING YEARS [!!!!!!!!] still MISTRANSLATED in verse 18.44 where Lord Krishna speaks of krsi go-raksya, PROTECTION OF COWS, and the miscreants and "rascal editors" and demoniac hierarchy of so-called ISKCON continue to intentionally leave it wrongly as "CATTLE RAISING" which Prabhupada Himself stated in april, 1976 - and on many other occaisions - means "growing...and killing" and that it must be corrected?!!???? PRabhupada states that the "meaning is clear" yet go, which means cow; and raksya, which means protection are still, since 1972 left as the opposite, namely that killing of cows is promoted thru Krishna's treatise, not PROTECTION OF COWS??? Could we have an answer to that one?? And, what have YOU and YOUR FATHER done to rectify this problem? [/quote] It doesn't make sense contextually. Krishna is a cow herd boy. He milks the cows, and he is also known as the protector of cows. Cows are the mothers of civilization because through them we attain so many nice things that make it easier for us to live. You state that Srila Prabhupada said that raksya means raising and killing. Where did he state this? I have every lecture, and every letter, and every discourse Srila Prabhupada ever wrote, and in every version. I have the Vedabase software, in multiple versions. I do not find him saying this. Infact, in [b]Johannesburg, October 17, 1975[/b] he says in a lecture. " We are proud of our business, vaishya, but vaishya means krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaishya-karma svabhäva-jam [Bg. 18.44]. vaishya means they should take care of the cows, cow (go) protection (raksya), go-raksya. Why go-raksya? Why not other animal raksya? Krishna has not said "animal raksya" or "janawal-(?) raksya." Go-raksya. The cow is very, very important animal. If you want to advance your spiritual consciousness, then you must have sufficient milk and sufficient grains. That is civilization. Therefore it is the duty of the vaishyas to produce food grain. Annäd bhavanti bhütäni [Bg. 3.14]. Annäd. In the society, if you have got sufficient anna, both the animals and the man, they will be happy. These are the instruction in the Bhagavad-gita, everything practical. If we follow Bhagavad-gita from all angles of vision—social, political, economical, religious, cultural—you will be perfect. This is Bhagavad-gita. We are therefore taken up this mission, to preach Bhagavad-gita as it is to solve all the problems of the world. That is Aryan civilization. Aryan civilization means following the principles of Bhagavad-gita." So I don't get where you claim that Srila Prabhupada called Raksya "raising and killing" [/quote] I believe he (or she) is referring to this. http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/hare-krishna-forum/368697-plea-annotated-prabhupada.html Room Conversation Chicago, July 4, 1975 750704RC.CHI krsi-goraksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam paricaryatmakam karma sudrasyapi svabhava-jam "Farming, cattle raising and business are the qualities..." Prabhupada: They are not cattle raising, that was... Tamala Krsna: Cow protection. Prabhupada: Cow protection. It has to be corrected. It is go-raksya, go. They take it cattle-raising. I think Hayagriva has translated like this. Tamala Krsna: Hayagriva. Prabhupada: No, it is especially mentioned go-raksya. Krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam. Interview Chicago, July 9, 1975 750709IV.CHI krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam paricaryatmakam karma sudrasyapi svabhava-jam Prabhupada: That is fourth-class. First of all, third-class. Nitai: Third-class: "Farming, cattle raising and business are the qualities of work for the vaisyas,..." Prabhupada: Not cattle raising, cow protection. Nitai: Cow protection. Prabhupada: Yes. Farming and cow protection and trade, this is meant for the third-class division. Morning Walk Melbourne, April 21, 1976 760421MW.MEL Prabhupada: One thing immediately inform Ramesvara. In the Bhagavad-gita yesterday they have edited "cattle-raising." But not cattle-raising. Cattle-raising means to grow and killing. That is the.... Means the rascals, they have edited. Pusta Krsna: Yeah, and we're.... (interference) Prabhupada: And "protection of cows," clearly. Guru-krpa: Chapter Eighteen, Bhagavad-gita, that the vaisyas work... Pusta Krsna: Oh, krsi-go-raksya. Prabhupada: Ah, krsi-go-raksya. Immediately inform them. Morning Walk Melbourne, April 21, 1976 760421MW.MEL Prabhupada: Hayagriva edited. He thought, "cattle-raising." Not "cattle-raising," but the word.... There.... It is mistranslation. It is go-raksya, "giving protection to the cows." Especially mentioned, go-raksya, not otherwise. The animal-eaters may take other animals, but not cow. They can take the pig, goats, lambs, rabbits, so many others, if they at all want to eat meat, birds, these so many. There is no such mention that "Animals should be protected," no. "Cows should be protected." That is Krsna's order. (break) They have decided to kill the cow. They have decided, "No brain. Eat." And our prayer is go-brahmana-hitaya ca, "to do good to the brahmanas and the cows." Actually it is revolutionary to the modern age. But how it is possible we say otherwise? [/quote] Exactly. It's evident that he's saying. Hayagriva edited, and thought raksya was "raising". It was not cattle raising. "It is go-raksya, giving protection to the cows" You can even go to the Sanskrit dictionary who has no affiliation to ISKCON and type in Raksya http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/tamil/index.html [b]1 rakSya mfn. to be guarded or protected or taken care of[/b] [/quote]
Original Message
Many people associate the Vedas with "Hinduism". But the term or word Hinduism or Hindu will not be found in the Vedas.
As far as the Vedas are concerned, the Vedas are not for "Hindus" but for all living entities.
This is the very first thing to be understood.
What you find in the Vedas is
sanaatana dharma
(suh-nah-tuh-nuh duh-arm).
Sanaatana
means
Eternal
and
dharma
means
occupation.
There are 2 kinds of eternal, spiritual energies.
The Infinitesimal living entity, and the Infinite God.
The Individual Soul of a living entity is Infinitesimal, while the Super Soul is Infinite, but they are both Eternal.
The living entity is sanaatana [eternal], God is sanaatana, and there is sanaatana-dharma. Sanaatana-dharma is meant for all living entities, not just the so-called Hindus.
Hinduism, this "ism," that "ism"—these are all misconception. Historically, sanaatana-dharma was followed regularly in India, and Indians were called "Hindus" by
the Muslims.
The Muslims saw that the Indians lived on the other side of the River Sind, and the Muslims pronounced
Sind
as
Hind
. Therefore they called India "Hindustan" and the people who lived there "Hindus."
But the word Hindu has no reference in the Vedic literature
.
Now that sanatana-dharma, or Vedic dharma, is being
distorted
, not being obeyed, not being carried out properly, it has come to be known as Hinduism.
But that is a freak understanding; that is not a real understanding.
We have to study sanatana-dharma as it is described in the Bhagavad-gitaa and other Vedic literatures; then we'll understand what Vedic religion is.
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