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How did Jesus' death wash away our sins?
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[quote:Scrodiddles:MV8xNTc3MDg0XzI2MDY0MTA4X0EyRUY0Qzk0] [quote:fairflight] [quote:Scrodiddles] [quote:Anonymous Coward 1475638] [quote]Yes, but, as I have said, I am well aware of everything you just said. I have read the same book many times. It is spelled out very clearly in that book but, when it comes to actually explaining what changed, there is no answer. There are just metaphors of his blood and how clean we are now. But in terms of actually saying "Jesus died and his soul left his body with such force that it created a void so intense that all of the energy vibrating at the same frequency was sucked in, inescapably. The only energy that matches the void's vibration is Sin. Hence we are all washed of our sins. I understand that explanation is lofty and laughable, but to be honest, it is a better attempt than the Bible ever made. [b]Washing away sins is a metaphor.[/b] But Jesus' blood sacrifice? How can you think that was anything other than literal? Just because it doesn't fit the 20k meta physical jargon doesn't make it a bad attempt. Maybe you just make a bad attempt at being willing to accept it? [/quote] I would hope you can see that I managed to upload a picture and pay for an account on GLP so I am clearly not mentally handicapped. I know better than to take anything in religion as something other than a metaphor. But even the metaphor lacks an explanation. There is no sequence of logic that spells out what exactly changed in both the physical and spiritual world when Jesus was killed. It just says "He died for you. And now your sins are forgiven". That is quite a syntax gap if you asked me. The question is "HOW?!". How in the world did his death actually help me be forgiven. Who was condemning me in the first place? God? So why send another of your creations to be killed and then use that as a catalyst to change your mind? There is a lot of reasoning missing here and metaphor, or not, it just isn't enough to really base something of off. [/quote] Washing away sins is not just a metaphor. It is a requirement! This was shown when John baptized the Son of God. Even in His perfection, it was and is one of the requirements to enter the kingdom of God. [/quote] Fairflight, I don't mean this as an insult, but you are really not doing a great job of answering my question. I have had countless years of Babtist bible study and nothing you are saying is new. Nor is it really what I would consider an attempt to answer the original question. [/quote]
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I am actually being sincere here. I was raised in a Southern Babtist home and have read the bible a fair share of times, but I am at a total loss when it comes to understanding how Jesus dying on the cross translates into me being forgiven for my "sins".
And please don't just post scripture that just states it matter-of-factly as if I should ignore that we live in a world where things have to correlate.
So they torture him, place him on a cross, and then wait for him to die. He passes away, is reborn and then ascends to heaven. Now I get forgiven if I have impatient thoughts? How does that work? Did he die, go to heaven and flip on a breaker switch, resurrect on earth to check if it worked and then just strolled on back to heaven? What happened during his death that made our sins forgivable?
It's like a father bursting through the door and telling his son that cursing is now allowed in the house because he hit a deer on the way home. How in the world is it connected?
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