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[quote:waterman:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDY1MzAzXzJDQjNENDhG] [quote:S-wordlike:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDY1MDUwX0NBOEJDRjI5] [quote:waterman:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDY0OTU4XzczM0QxQkYx] [quote:S-wordlike:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDY0NjQ2Xzg2QzI0MDhB] [quote:waterman:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDU1MzY4X0FBOUJEMDUx] [quote:S-wordlike:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDU1MTcyXzUwRDFEQzYw] [quote:waterman:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDUyNDk4X0I1OUJFMkEy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 62072847:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDUyMTQyX0U2MkJCNzFB] [quote:waterman:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDQ2NzY0XzhCRjFCMkY4] [quote:S-wordlike:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDQ0Mzk1X0Q2NkVGRUY2] [quote:waterman:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDMyNTcxX0RDNDZFODFG] [quote:S-wordlike:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDMwNjU1XzQxNTIzODU2] [quote:waterman:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDI2MTUxXzVCN0I5Q0E2] [quote:You stupid idiot of the devi 75842170:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDI1OTIyXzkxOTVBNThE] [quote:waterman:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDI1NTAyX0FBQjkzRTZC] [quote:Welcome here 75842170:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDI1MzEwXzU5MjExMkI0] [quote:waterman:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDI0MzI2XzIzRDM4MzI3] [quote:S-wordlike:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDIyODg0XzFFMENCQUJD] [quote:waterman:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDEyMjQ1XzhGODkzQTIw] [quote:S-wordlike:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDA4NzM3XzdBRDBDNkY0] [quote:Here is something much more 73734503:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDA2NTE4XzNCMDIxQUJB] [quote:Here is much endless 73734503:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc2MDA2NDM2X0VGNEUzRjA4] [quote:Dear people 74508302:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc1OTkzMDg2XzI3OUE5NzA5] [quote:I shout to all of you 74508302:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc1OTkyNzExX0Q1Q0ZDODAz] [quote:I meant avoid 74508302:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc1OTkyMzgzX0VEMEFCQUJB] [quote:Maybe people should also 74508302:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc1OTkyMzU2XzI4Q0UzMDc4] [quote:Anonymous Coward 38829312:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc1OTE5NjE2X0FEMThGQjU3] [quote:Anonymous Coward 77547800:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc1OTE3MzE3XzNDMEI3RTE5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 77547800:MV8yNDAxODY3Xzc1OTE3MjY2XzU4RkIyN0Y=] How can Jesus be the messiah if he turned people away from the LAW? early in the Torah(old testament) the LAW was never to change, GOD is supposed to put spirit on mankind so that they will become like the animals and nature and have the LAW in their hearts, no more evil spirits or death pain or suffering. Until that time we are to follow the LAW as best we can under the circumstances. Just because jesus has been spread across the world and everyone accepts the story does not make it true, there is one GOD who rules the universe and if your calling on Jesus and a prayer is answered it's only because GOD allowed it to happen, despite what name or idol you believed in. The Torah is clear and precise, it makes sense, there is nothing to do but wait for GOD and be patient, not make up messiahs and false prophets because GOD has hidden his face. [/quote] If you read the LAW and in your heart learn to love the one true GOD and learn his ways and be PATIENT, he will certainly work for you in your life. A lot of us are so stuck in our ways we won't accept anything except what we have known all our lives as true. [/quote] But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. (Titus 3:9) Best Wishes, -RML [/quote] foolish illustration by a person who fears and denies the challenge of indeed meeting the person who is come from the north country according to zech 6:8 etc to oppose his false claim to be what he definitely is not, namely not one of the foretold to come two witnesses. He tries to escape by not answering that challenge but it will be his desaster that shows his reasonable doubts and fears, for his claim is definitely false and given to him by satan himseelf. Greetings from PehJeshuah, God's true witness sent to honest people to help them find God's saving truth [/quote] those foolish illustrations of his. PJ [/quote] who are seeking in truth and honesty your God and His truth, telling you that we are now around the corner to fight together with you for the final victory of our God's saving truth that shall rule for the rest of our time on this earth. Be happy, be thankful to God, yours and ours, for our victory is now close at hand, and in that victory of truth we shall together be very happy after having defeated the devil and his stupid lies and rudeness in opposition to our Jesus Christ. His, the devil's, destiny is sure, his eternal place in the fire of God's wrath, which is what he and all his followers deserve! Greetings, God's witness PehJeshuah [/quote] all of you who love God and your Savior and your brothers and sisterx in the truth given to you, please pray for me, for my burden is felt too heavy for me to carry in my struggle to bring forth God's everlasting truth for the whole world to see, for why should it be me, these ashes of consumed bones, that God chose to speak, even from the utmost horizan of this earth? But He did speak to me, so therefore I also speak, as He has told me to do, and therefore our end times have come! Just me PehJeshuah [/quote] [/quote] than that lost person Waterman can immagine, though he does indeed feel it, the power of God opposing him in his deception and practice of using stupid illustrations in order to delude people. Now I am here, God's true witness, and he dares not meet me as I have challenged him, but make believe instead that I NEVER did challenge him, though I have being God's foretolde true witness. He has himself claimed that he is what I am and not he, as can be seen from what his former friend and acquainted has written against him. So, therefore, I am now here to oppose his falsehood, and I am true whereas he is false. God's witness. [/quote] Waterman, has no desire to contend with those who oppose him. If someone disagrees with his envisage of himself or his dogma. He will do anything to misinterpret any verifiable proof or concrete evidence within scripture that reveals his concepts are wrong. If you don't agree with waterman or his illustrations, graphs or whatever else he can conjure up. He turns that around to prove you are doing to him what the bible declared about him beforehand. He twist scripture around out of place and conveniently advances his ill thought out conclusion by any means possible... by hook, crook or imaginations of his own egotistical conclusions. If you disagree with him too strongly you will simply be blocked from his thread. His truth never gives a complete explanation and is void of scriptural accuracy. He adds words to verses and takes away what is not convenient to his understanding. Waterman is not seeking after the truth but rather a lie that can better enhance his own position, recognition and advancement. Waterman's greatest desire is to be famous and recognized as one of the two witnesses in scripture. All other efforts are secondary to this great objective. The Word is secondary, Scripture is secondary, Jesus Christ is secondary, and God in his own stationary glory is secondary. Sadly not only him but all who follow his imaginary envision have taken a misdirected path that can only lead toward further confusion. Yes, I have been acquainted with Waterman since his birth. And I know him well, and I love him with a love that Christ puts in our heart even against those who seek to take from us those truth within His Word. Nevertheless, waterman seeks to irritate, harass. and overall pester those who will not comply to his wishes. This is the foolish child within him that refuses to grow out/beyond such behavior. Hoping somehow to gain favor from others; rather than understanding these efforts/means are not the ways to affect those who seek to follow the ways of Jesus. [/quote] I do have one question for ya sword...were you there at my birth and how long after my birth did you go to Vietnam and how old was I when you returned? I know you didn’t know who I was as you mistook my uncle for me. Funny you still can’t recognize me today...but you will soon...lol If the truth is irritating or me being sent to tell you what I tell you is harassment then I’m sure you are going to feel irritated and harassed because I’m going to give what I’m told to give so when we are in the throne and the lord says to me did you try to join the two sticks of Ezekiel 37 as I’ve been instructed to ...I will be able to say “ I tried whole heartedly but he wouldn’t listen”....and then God will be given the glory when he joins Judah and Joseph and we can come back and join the 2 kingdoms of Judah and Joseph as we are those 2 kingdoms representatives...you Judah’s and me Joseph’s. You once told me you didn’t love me for some reason...you didn’t understand why but it just wasn’t there....I can tell you why it is but you don’t want to believe you are judah and I’m joseph so you won’t be able to see why until the fullness of the gentiles when your eyes are opened to who we both are....remember only Judah is blind to seeing his brother until the fullness of the gentiles...Joseph’s eyes are wide open. As far as me wanting to be famous...not really... in school I couldn’t even give a speech in front of 25 classmates...one time I was due to give a speech and it was 20 degrees outside...I skipped school so I wouldn’t have to give the speech and spent the day in an abandoned house to try to stay warm until the end of the school day...so being famous isn’t big on my list but fulfilling my purpose and hearing well done my good and faithful servant is at the top of my list. Jesus and the word are never secondary to me he is King and High Priest melchelzedek order which is a heavenly rulership but the subject of the two anointed is to show one is king on earth during the millennium and the other anointed is the high priest on earth because the millennial kingdom is davidic levitic which means separation of kingship and high priesthood. Jesus equals heavenly realm rulership and the two anointed are earthly rulership where kingship and high priesthood are separate offices. The earth is always a lesser shadow of the heavenly realm but I shouldn’t have to tell you that as you have over 40 years study of the word. How do I know people won’t like what I say when it is time to usher in the new age of the davidic levitic kingdom after the age of grace has come to an end?...the following verse....I also know I accomplish my mission because of the following verses: Genesis 49: 22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: 23 [color=violet]The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him: 24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)[/color] 25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: 26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren. [color=darkred]You can disagree with me clear up to the throne room visit but once I receive my change of raiment and you hear “ is this not a brand plucked from the fire”...you will finally have your eyes opened and your perspective will not be the one you have right now...lol[/color] Guess what judah? I don’t envy you anymore and I’ve noticed your vexing me has slowed down....this shows me we are getting close to the time of my arrival to the world stage. Isaiah 11:13: [color=violet]The envy also of Ephraim shall depart,[/color] and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: [color=violet]Ephraim shall not envy Judah[/color], and [color=darkblue]Judah shall not vex Ephraim.[/color] P.S. this is a great line you wrote....I loved it and wished I wrote it...lol: He twist scripture around out of place and conveniently advances his ill thought out conclusion by any means possible... [color=darkred]by hook, crook or imaginations of his own egotistical conclusions.[/color] :clappa: :josephprison: [/quote] Much of this post was eliminated somehow so I will quickly rewrite a few of the things I have already said. Waterman, I never said I was around when you were born. I said "I was acquainted with you since your birth." You always want to add words from something never said. You are either adding or distracting from words never said or misinterpreting what was being relayed. You have a bad habit of doing this. Misinterpretation can result in a course ill advised. Yes, I did fail to recognize you when I returned a year after my tour in Vietnam. You were so small when I left and when I returned I thought you were your uncle who was in the same room and who was ten mos. younger than you. A common mistake by so many troops in those days. You said you loved my statement and wished you had said it. you have said the same things to me about my sayings or different statements/comments on other post/threads. Yet, you claim to be the Teacher of Righteousness but you have trouble conveying a clear objective toward your point of view without a plethora of illustrations, graphs and ideas and a thought process you have gained from the resources of others. My friend I would strongly reconsider your claim to the Teacher of Righteousness position. Nevertheless, wisdom is known by her many children. I did not want to discuss all of these matters again with you. I have shared much with you over the years and wish now to cease. The reason I say you irritate, harass and pester me is b/c you never stop sending your propaganda on my thread or thru your constant karma remarks. You do not do this to edify but to harass knowing I have made it clear I no longer wish to discuss these matters with you. You will not hear what the Word is declaring and you have no desire to do so. Not making a speech in class doesn't negate the fact your desire is to be famous. It isn't always orators that make leaders, but readers my friend create such objectives. For readers are not always leaders , but leaders are always readers. I also would never speak publicly in class, and was a total failure b/c of it. Terrible grades in High school b/c of all the zeros from lack of making speeches. However, I seemed to manage okay. I needed to obtain my high school records years after I graduated and to my surprise I had much better grades than I was expecting. Either the school misconstrued my records or they replaced my records with another student with the same name..lol. Nevertheless, even so in the 12th grade after my Mother went to a teacher/parent meeting my Mother came home stunned. She said my history teacher said your son never opens a book, never speaks in class, sets nonchalantly looking out a window, but whenever I ask him a question he always has the right answer. He further stated, If he would ever open a book he would be a straight A student. He continued, stating to my Mother your son is the smartest pupil I have ever had. I am not posting this to boast or desire any recognition. Just that once in a great while someone in the know recognizes something hidden from those who lack the ability to conceive a higher calling than giving a speech or in this case opening a book. Yet, I studied what subjects was of my interest constantly, in my spare time, and one of those subjects was history. So actually I wasn't that smart, just well versed on the subject he was teaching..lol. My son I had no desire at all to contend with you on this thread. As a matter of fact I would never had believed you would come to this site to present an argument with me. You are so misinformed about many things and you have never had any confirmation to even begin to prove you are who you imagine you are. You simply believe you are a witnesses b/c you believe that I was told and I was, by the Lord in different revelations, visions and witnesses that I was one of the witnesses. Therefore, b/c you are related to me you also think you are entitled to the other position. Not only do you think you are entitled to that position. You have already laid out a plan that is not consistent to scripture. The stick that is joined together has to do with the two tribes/nations, not the two witnesses. The throne room visit consist of only one individual, the one witness (that man-child) not the two witnesses as you envision. It happens not b/c that witness is needed to form a more complete plan for God needful to remedy a solution. That man-child/ witness, is transported there before he is devoured by Satan himself (Rev.12:4-5KJV,) (Job.33:17-28KJV.) Not b/c God needs any help in assisting Him in bringing two sticks/tribes/nations together. The book of Job hides many mysteries and also that hidden one (Isa.49:2.) Even Job himself knew not what he wrote of or understood it. When he spoke and prophesied about that future Job/witness/individual/man-child/Israel/Jacob.. stating in the last chapter of Job. [b] (Job.42:3KJV) Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? Therefore, have I uttered that which I understood not, things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.[/b] Job freely admits he didn't understand anything he was stating, prophesying, or even discussing in the Book of Job. Because it's not ABOUT Job! But It's speaking of the one who overcomes/conquers. A future symbolic Job sent thru a furnace of affliction to reach his purification almost unto death (Isa.48:10KJV,) (Isa.49:2KJV,) (Rev.6:2KJV.) That rider upon the white steed, that rider is the arrow hidden (Isa.49:2,) that is why the bow appears to be empty of an arrow, it's b/c the rider is the arrow hidden, for the end days. That one witness, that symbolic Joseph that Israel/Jacob/Enoch hidden in scripture, kept from those who understood not those things hidden. Kept from understanding and hidden in its own protective surroundings b/c of men of pride and ambition, hidden as an arrow is hidden in its quiver until it appears. until it passes into the day/light time, to reveal its once darken mysteries/revelations. This man has many flattering names and titles. Too many to even mention in length for he is [b]surnamed,[/b] meaning in the Hebrew linguistics, given many flattering names and titles (Isa.45:4KJV.) Some of the names/titles are even named after him who created him. Names symbolic, like the son of man/day-spring for he was brought forth on that day as so was his Lord. Prince of Israel/king David/Joseph the signet ring holder prince beneath pharaoh, the bread of of life, during the famine/the BRANCH/Zerubbabel the Lord's signet ring /chosen one/Job/hidden one/wisdom/over-comer/conqueror/Enoch/Shiloh/elect one/ and many more and explanations as to why given each name/title but there is not enough page to explain even a small portion of this revelation. Waterman, you shouldn't be quoting scripture when the meaning of its contents excludes your understanding of it contexts. These few verses you have written has no claim as to who you are. It doesn't have a stamp of recognition in your favor at all. Truth be told these verses have not yet been fulfilled. And there meanings hidden and not yet understood unless you have studied my book published in 2006. If you have forgotten it's titled "Enigmatic Sunrise" on amazon. Not seeking to promote one of my books, but I dislike covering the same old ground. and most of the book is en tacked for the reading, without the necessity toward it's purchase. (Gen.49:22-26KJV) (22) speaking of Joseph as a fruitful bough, is simply relaying to the reader of his ability to display the fruits of the spirit. Greater attributes burgeon forth from this aspect than the attributes of the gifts of the spirit. For these attributes come forth from studying the Word diligently. Thus, drinking from the well continually, the water (Word of God.) Thus, whose branches run over the wall..meaning of the wall, outside religions, shall not be able to contain him from touching all different peoples of different beliefs, and converting them toward the salvation of Jesus Christ. Not by mighty works or acts of power but by the display of the fruits shall men (generically speaking) of all beliefs come to the knowledge of Christ. For it will not be by the display of power or of might (the gifts) alone but thru the effects of the fruitful display, shall men seek His face. for not by might or power but by my spirit sayeth the Lord. (23)the archers are prevalent and pervasive in scripture as the many come upon him to cause him great duress, sorrow (Job.chapter7) and throughout that book and in Psalms as well. and mock they him in the Book of Job profusely. Asking him if he knew more than others older in age than himself. Though they mock him they are speaking truths about him that they know not what they are saying (Job.15:7-12KJV.) For all their accusations are true for he is the first man born, for he is Adam, and shall again retain that which he once was given; the earth and all its inhabitants. For all these things shall be once again restored to him as king upon the earth. And in heaven shall he set as that first man Adam. For the gifts and callings of God are without repentance. Therefore, it is this same Adam who goes forth conquering and to conquer (Rev.6:2KJV) in the end days. To again claim what is rightfully his...the whole earth and all that it contains! They mock but truth is established of him, thru evil men of accusations. For as they accuse, he has heard the secrets of God. He does restrain wisdom to himself. He was made before the hills, as the scriptures declare. He does know many things and secrets. He will not share with men such as these. Yes his eyes wink at the known outcome of his final destiny. for he knows his time and the day he shall depart and the future happenings of secret things but he shall not share these things with men of evil purpose. For he knows as Enoch declared when he shall pass from this life to the next. For he declared, I Enoch, shall die on the day I was born. Strange statement by Enoch in the 2nd book of Enoch. When you consider Enoch never died, but walked into life/and he was not. These words spoken by Enoch is speaking about a hidden Enoch who shall appear in the end days. He it is that shall pass on the same day he was born. Behold, why the gifts say he? why the merriment abound? Did my death bring rejoicing and my demise the rejoicing of the world? Did the passing of gifts commiserate my death or my birth? No! but they rejoice in their hatred toward me. For it is not the day of a birth or a death .... but the time is spring, the days of Purim are in the land, and in this is the ways of celebration. For it was at this time that in their blindness, their cause was to rejoice over the death of Mordecai. Thus, allowing Haman to dwell among them. Thus, the day-spring sleeps and his friends are no longer to be found. While his fellows stare at his cold stance and silent utterance. Waiting for the noise of the voice to once again awaken him. Nevertheless, their rejoicing shall turn to anguish before a short time passes, and the ground rolls itself up and seeks its revenge of the death of His two anointed. (24) His bow is displayed as an overcomer/conqueror in (Rev.6:2KJV) and his arrow that shall shoot forth to the hearts of many people to the glory of God, is the rider therein of itself..even Joseph the hidden one, the prince of Israel, that one witness hidden, until men begin to see his covering being removed. (25) the many blessing spoken in this first passage is simply a display of the multipurpose of God's purposes toward that man Joseph. Who shall receive form heaven above even bringing down fire. The blessings of the deep that lieth under, is the secrets of the Word hidden beneath the surface. That no man can see until the correct discernment of the Word is revealed.. Thus, shall that Teacher rightly teach many hidden and meaningful things for the end days. Even new concepts never revealed beforehand. He will speak in a different manner than a preacher or an edifier. He will speak plainly yet profoundly at other times, a type of melody, a song in words that expresses no beat, yet as the rhythm of music on parade. Yet, in those days great and unheard, unheralded, mysteries shall be shown and many signs and wonders exposed and great exploits be displayed. And the sea itself shall open its gates for the children of the Most High. And blessings of the breast in this verse, is the warmth of the nourishment of the milk of the Word to bring solace and contentment in a world of confusion, in the slumber within a wilderness unknown by the enemy. Blessing of the womb brings forth delightful things and fruition of happy surroundings and laughter in airborne transitions. And expounding faith to accomplish great things comes forth from the womb of expectation. (26) this verse in Gen.49 examples a deeper understanding and promise to that man hidden who symbolizes Joseph for the end days. He is not only considered the first man God brought forth on earth but also in heaven before the mountains or hills were ever formed. Thus, the Word emphases that he is greater than all his progenitors before him or all that will live after him. Therefore, even as the Lord the Father, said of his son, our Lord, set at my right hand (Psalms.110:1KJV.) So also has the King of Kings declared that that man; that hidden one shall be a king above all the kings in heaven and on earth for all times, throughout all ages, worlds without end. For if all who belong to Him are destined to be kings and priest than that one who under Christ who stands out above his progenitors of all ages, he must be the greater among them. Yet, in this life he must begin as the least of all. For he who is last shall be first and the first shall be made last. Yet, despise not small beginnings for the end results will end well. For in our humiliations confessions before others brings no consolation. However, obedience in Christ is the consolation we must always seek, regardless of our own fearful outcome. Yes, as this verse states, within the passage, Joseph will be separate from his consanguineous brethren. And so as that last symbolic Joseph, these same siblings will again fail to see the man. They will fail to recognize him as to who he is. And they, his mothers children, shall not believe him, though he spoke it as so, as it was revealed to him (Psalm.69:8.) It is late and I have written all night and far too much. I sought to converse with you but for a short time, but was compelled to reiterate what I previous stated before to you. Sorry about the length of my response but you really are far from understanding and discerning the many concepts of God's Word. However, now that you are here on this site I do believe Pehjeshuau has been seeking to share his thoughts with you concerning your claims and positional standing in the Lord. Lastly, I never claimed and I didn't ever say I didn't love you. I may have said once or twice I didn't like you, but to say I didn't love you was not something I would say to you. I do regret that I wasn't around for the first yr you was born. I felt we never really had a bonding effect with one another. Nevertheless, I had very little to say in that matter, being I was preoccupied in the Vietnam war at the time. Please forgive me for any misspellings or punctuation mishaps. It has been a long posting and I was tired. Please if you must respond back to me waterman, go to my thread. I have used too much of this thread and posted far too much material...Sorry to the originator of this site for making such a long post. [/quote] The dilemma you have here sword is you want to believe there is a teacher of righteousness coming because you read it in the dead sea scrolls....but what it says is that the teacher of righteousness will be a the high priest and a colleague of the king. We also know the kingdom in the millennium is davidic and levitic therefore making it impossible for king david to be high priest on earth so that absolutely cancels out any chance of king david being the teacher of righteousnes or the high priest...so when we see joshua receiving the high priesthood in the throne room in zechariah we can be assured that it isn't david the king being joshua the high priest...now i'm sure david would protest that because I know your way of thinking and you would express your "opinion" if given the chance....and you will be given the chance in the throne room...it just isn't going to turn out in your favor. Another of the many problems you have is you are only allowed to plow the word...it will be the other anointed who will be able to rightly divide what you plow as it states judah will plow but jacob will break the clods(divide the blessings). Again david will be king/lawgiver but the teacher of righteousness will be the interpreter of what david presents...again showing david plowing and the teacher of righteousness breaking the clods/dividing the blessings. Hosea 10:11: King James Bible And Ephraim is as an heifer that is taught, and loveth to tread out the corn; but I passed over upon her fair neck: I will make Ephraim to ride; [color=darkblue]Judah shall plow[/color], and [color=violet]Jacob shall break his clods.[/color] It's so simple to understand the sceptre and the birthright are separate offices...[color=darkblue]the sceptre will be used for the kingship[/color] and [color=violet]the birthright will be used for the high priesthood:[/color] 1 chronicles 5:2: [color=darkblue]For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler;[/color] [color=violet]but the birthright was Joseph's:)[/color] volume of the book sceptre and birthright are separate postions. When the teacher of righteousness arrives he will usher in the prior age of the davidic levitic kingdom this is why his brothers will not like him...they will cry "blasphemy" just as the jewish did to jesus when the age of grace was about to start....people have a hive mind mentality and when one comes to bring something they aren't accustomed to they reject it...the new age will be faith in Jesus for the forgiveness of sin but the law will be combined with it to form a holy people as satan will be bound for the 1000 year millennium...also by having a davidic levitic kingdom the covenant for the 1st born and 2nd born to have dominion is fulfilled..one will be the king and the other will be the high priest...the two highest postions on earth as they will have dominion over everything that moves on earth as according to genesis: genesis 1:28: And [color=darkred]God blessed them[/color], and [color=darkred]God said unto them[/color], Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and [color=darkred]have dominion over [/color]the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over[color=darkred] every living thing that moveth upon the earth. [/color] Here is the key if you want to know who is who between the two anointed...[color=darkblue]blue is king davids position[/color] and [color=violet]violet is the teacher of righteousness postion:[/color] [color=darkred]again if you read the dead sea scrolls it states that the teacher of righteousness will determine the hierarchical rank of who is who....basically what the teacher of righteousness interprets is what will be.[/color] 1. [color=darkblue]1st born[/color]...................[color=violet]2nd born[/color] 2. [color=darkblue]Masculine[/color]..................[color=violet]Feminine[/color] 3. [color=darkblue]Sceptre[/color]....................[color=violet]Birthright[/color] 4. [color=darkblue]Kingship[/color]...................[color=violet]High Priesthood[/color] [color=violet]The birthright holders are the spiritual feminine anointed...which would be your Eve...Issac...Jacob...Joseph...Ephraim..etc[/color] [color=darkblue]The sceptre/civil leader anointed would be your Adam....Moses...David....Zerrubbabel...manchild...etc[/color] :leftrightkingpri: :Joseph and Judah: [/quote] Waterman, so, therefore, I now do ask you if you really claim to be foretold in Holy Scripture, to be a foretold true witness, or, should we, as holy people before your time, ask if we should wait for somebody else than you? Give us now your (dis)honest answer, for now you cannot escape if false, for it is God's true witness who now challenges you! Greetings PehJeshuah You may find my true words elsewhere on the net, so there is no excuse for you to ignore me. [/quote] Lol...I must say PehJeshuah you are good for a laugh...if this whole internet thing don't work out for ya maybe you should look into doing some stand up comedy...well as you can see i'm not much for chit chat but if sword shows back up I might be able to squeeze out a few lines of response...lol.....I don't mean to ignore you I just don't see you writing anything of value....have a good night...lol [/quote] You are, as the idiot of satan as you are, totally ignorant of the fact that the Bible clearly tells us and everybody at what time the true two witnesss will appear and also from where. You also are ignorant of the fact that no false claimant like you can or dare challenge God's true chosen witnesses in argument without losing with total shame, so, who are you who hide the best you can without daring to come forth in public to prove your TRUE DOCTRINE? [color=darkred]You are nothing else than what your former acquaintance said, lost in your own grandeur![/color] What a shame! God's witness PehJeshuah [/quote] You know there was one other who they said was lost in his own [color=darkred]dreams of grandeur[/color]....turns out his dreams were correct when nobody else would believe they were..lol Joseph in his father's home (Gen. xxxvii) Joseph is a classic example of a dynamic, developing personality, in contrast to static, fixed characters, who enter the narrative as fully developed figures. When we initially encounter Joseph, we are not very impressed. Not only is he a "tattletale" in conveying reports to his father on his brothers' activities (that is, on any blemishes in their behavior), but he also displays considerable insensitivity in [color=darkred]describing to his brothers his dreams of grandeur[/color], thereby arousing their jealousy and hatred. :josephprison: [/quote] Waterman, listen to yourself. You are doing exactly as I alluded about you in another post on this site. If you have no response or answer to an accusation. [color=darkred]You seek to hide behind scripture [/color]and declare its context of any manner applies to you and its systematically applies to you b/c why...oh yes you are that supposed Joseph. Can't you see you have hindered your self through forces much more maniacal than you own purposes. You are so locked up on your own egotistical adventurer you no longer have the ability to consider you might be wrong. You're no longer a defender of the truth and a searcher thereof. But your priority is to prove you are who you claim. Yet, it is not so. Don't you see your ambition has expounded beyond your ability to deny this falsehood belief. You have so entrapped yourself that therein is your bondage and it seems you have no means of escape. Waterman, If you can find me but two, discerning well standing Christians to testified and confirm your belief that God verified your claim that you are that Joseph for the end days. I will accept your belief and hold to that acknowledgement until that day that Joseph appears on the scene. Or you yourself appears in that day. Otherwise, without confirmation, I would consider within myself if this be truth or have you been duped by the enemy. Remember, this is not a contrary aspect of God's desire. For His Word encourages, that in the mouths of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. If on the other hand you object to this confirmation. I would suspect that you have been greatly deceived and repentance is in order. For blasphemy against the word still devours the victim regaurdness of the excuse. [/quote] Lol: :rejected1one: We are right on schedule and the throne room will turn out just as written one anointed dissatisfied he didn’t get both offices and the other anointed content with what he was given....no need to pray for me my end will still be the same and I’m not sure I would like what you prayed....god bless but then again I already know he will bless you with the scepter/ kingship you just can’t see it yet...so have a good day. P.S. you do well at plowing the scriptures it’s just the dividing of who is who where you stumble....this is how I know that you are just as blind as the kingdom(Judah) you represent to seeing your brother Joseph...Judah’s are promised blindness til the fullness of the gentiles this is why in zechariah you try to turn zerrubbabel and Joshua the two anointed into a single anointed...you try to just make the Eve half disappear by absorbing the masculine and the feminine the sceptre and the birthright....there is no need to turn one anointed into the other anointed when you already have two anointed....let one anointed be the civil leader and the other anointed the high priest and let the rules of the davidic levitic kingdom be accomplished...davidic levitic means separation of kingship and high priesthood so turning the civil leader into the high priest is like trying to put a square block in a circle hole....it don’t fit and can’t be done...so we wait for you to be woke up at the fullness of the gentiles...lol The first step to understanding scripture would be to know the sceptre holder can’t be the birthright holder...once you understand this the scriptures unlock and you can see who is who...1 chronicles 5:2 judah is the chief leader but the birthright is josephs :jacobssons: [color=darkred]It’s funny you said I seek to hide behind scripture when in reality I’m hidden in the scriptures throughout the volume of the book[/color] :WordofGod: [/quote] Waterman, waterman, what am I going to do with you? You are so mindset in your ways. it's like seeking to deliver a chained dog from his pen he spent most of his young life in. He resents you being there, for you have failed to bring him praise, for his ego/spirit, or a morsel for his belly. You struggle to remove his chain but he growls and snaps at you. Yet, his only desire is to return to the freedom of his confinement and roam about within the freedom therein. Never does the dog comprehend the purpose of the objective of that one. He never spent time with him just to listen to words of comfort and he couldn't understand the words of his deliverer saying to him, "I just want to remove your chains so you can roam freely the vast lands your new master possesses." Yet, time passes and the dog grows weary of his sad existence and angry toward his smaller and smaller confinement. Then one day that same one came to speak words of comfort and tell him again. "If you only knew boy of your ability to roam about freely, Playing among your ilk, producing a legacy for your namesake and the pups that would propagate after your kind. And here you could take on new discovers of new adventures within your master's vast lands and his abundance. Just allow me to remove your chains said the man and you well experience new horizons." Yet, the man brought him no praise to gratify his ego/spirit and no morsel to satisfy his flesh. Then suddenly the dog lashed out at the man, and bites him and begins to mall him and attack him with a furry. The man screaming in pain brought forth a strange comfort to the animal within himself, and the beast he had come to know so well within his confines. Thus, killing the one who came to aid him he now shall never know the freedom of his master's vast lands, Or have the knowledge of unity and fellowship with those he had never known or them him. His owner destroyed the dog who had never understood or experience true freedom. His only thought was as he was hauled away by the hands of terrible and rough men. He thought within himself. "Oh this cruel world why was I sent to this place of sorrow, loneliness and sadness. Woe is me and the place I have dwelt and the place I go to now." The dogs ashes were buried beneath the trees upon a hill looking down on a vast land his master owned. He was finally free, but he would never know. Your mindset whether on things good or bad, right or wrong, it makes no difference if its only purpose is to cause you to stagnate in a stew of emotional/mental satisfaction. Regardless, if that preparation results was in a discord, or harmony. operational in fear or faith, if the finial results induces only stagnation it is not generating anything of purpose/importance. Allow me to expound somewhat on this subject. I will use examples from your own life Waterman, but it could be pertinent to anyone of us. This mindset you are in reminds me of the time you found your higher calling or should I say lower ambition in 1988. In 1988 you discovered a newly published book, called 88 reasons the rapture will come this year in 1988. Anyhow the title was something on that order. From the moment you began to read that book until the end of that year your countenance, your overall demeanor, your personality and attitude changed from slightly pleasant, irritable, more irritating, scared, and a gamut of emotional and mental manifestations. You was coming into a mindset that displayed a similarity to...how do I say this somewhat delicately. To begin, I grew up on a farm so I can attest to this next few sentences as an authority of vision-al projections of certain patterns. you gave off an appearance of a chicken already decapitated running to and fro as if sidestepping an entity that was seeking to devour you, proclaiming in the process that's mighty good eaten...lol. You suddenly realized you needed to be baptized before the rapture came and you could be left behind to contend with murders, rapist, Satanist oh yes, and of course the real monsters. And from the glazed look in your eyes we were not about to disagree...declaring in unison yes go get baptized..lol. in reminiscing, I recall: Nothing would detour you from your mindset at that time. until then 1988 remained in its pristine condition, whether spring, summer, fall, or winter you were sure 1988 was the year of the rapture. You could not and would not change your mindset. And when 1988 expired we had somewhat of a celebration at that time, absent of course one mindset...lol You began to look for a church, any church, who would baptize you yesterday. You showed great fear, at that time, I mean faith, and your eyes reflected that fear, I mean that faith, precariously .. I mean magnificently. As I recalled I believe you did get baptized at the time revealing a little solace at that time. And an air of relief at that time for the rest of us. Finally that year past and your eyes began to turn back from that fine looking glazed over look, to your original asinine color/look. You ventured off looking for the right girl and engaging into weight lifting; if my memory serves me well. All seemed good, God was in his heaven and all was right with the world. Then 1999 come forth as well as a new book titled 99 reasons why the rapture will come this year. MY God, I said, must we be caught up in this again. I prayed most delightedly saying Dear, dear, Lord, God Almighty, merciful heavenly Holy Father. I promise I will be good for a whole week..make it two. If this book is genuine and the rapture comes within a week...make that two. It didn't work! that year was even worse than the year of 1988, and this time the baptismal was used up. he wasn't allowed a second dip. Thus, no further protection. My God people I thought he might turn to a rabid glazed eyed creature, and I am not taking about, like that new creature in the bible that brings forth nice things, and happy and good surprises. I am talking about a creature who rips your throat open while your sleeping and you are awaken to the crunch of your voice box crying out for emergency help. This time Waterman, was of the mindset that the rapture once again was about to happen and no one could convince him otherwise. Thank God by that time he was married and had children. My dear God, I dreaded at that time to think what that poor women of his was experiencing. I listened to the news every day waiting for a police investigation of a poor women found in some dumpster...throat ripped open and a voice box still screaming out, for help. Yet, through out all of these possibilities of these things happening he would not change his mindset. He even called the author of the book long distance in a foreign country to converse with her about her rapture book. I ask about what was said. He said something about she didn't believe it would happen on the 4th of July, he thought it might. They didn't agree, I didn't make any further inquiries. until some time later I ask him if she was writing any other books. Like maybe another rapture book set for like 2002. Two reasons the rapture takes place in 2002. He said he hadn't heard about any and he didn't believe she was going to. I thought to myself better her than me or his wife and child...voice boxes come in handy at those ages and work fine I know my still does work fine, even now and it could still scream load enough to alert the neighbors, and cars going by the house and cause my dogs barking and attacking things they are not familiar with. And I also want to mention I have a button, if I push it, it sends out a siren noise that just might shatter eardrums, I also have a knife under my pillow, and two others close at hand. I also have other secret weapons that would cause great bodily harm regardless. waterman, I meant to also mention to you also, just so you can warn other people not to come near my place even if these people are furry or not. my weapons shock and bite and sting and cause bruising as well that last for mouths at a time. So painful the intruder would wish he would have died by being scalded to death. Oh by the way Waterman make sure you tell them other people you talk to, that I also have plenty of hot water as well. Now my friend let us get into the meat of the Word. Knowing full well that the milk is warm and sweet and goes down smoothly and its warm nourishment warms the soul and body on those cold, lonely nights/days. When your friends seem as enemies and your enemies pretend to be your friend. Nevertheless, my friend, always remember this, a friend may seem to stab you in the heart but it is meant for operational procedures. Where as your enemy will stab you in the back to rip out that same heart pulling it down and then out.thus to prolong the pain and suffering. Therefore, let us come to the meat. Now it does not go down smooth as does the milk and it quickly grows cold once in the mouth. And its meat is often dry to the taste. And if you are not really hungry you just might choke and desire to spew it forth from of your mouth. But if you can remove the napkin, preserve the crumbs for the dogs, and take in a swallow of pride. You could well find yourself on a journey trod-ed upon by few. This journey leads to a cross but through its transformation it shows forth itself as your crown beyond the glory you sought/thought never possible. Although we prefer salt with our meat salt only comes with the meal. But first meat swallowed not with salt but pride. For what is it that kills our soul...pride. And what peeks up from below our ambitions just its ugly head. What makes it come forth in it full fury and exposes itself?.... giving\ away those ambitions and the many benefits it acquired. No one can kill an animal much quicker than you, when it but peeks out its head for his viewing. You only behold that which you can never retrain. Its motive, to eat the meat, meant for you, and starve your desire for it, once it is lost. Waterman, I suspect there are a few flaws and misspellings in this long post. Nevertheless, I must send this portion I have written so far. I intend to answer and respond to your post concerning the davidic levitic post. Just thought I would first write a few paragraphs of emotional metaphors and sought also to add a little levity. Hope you could detect the humor in it...You know my sense of humor. [/quote] [color=darkred]The year we started our sweet council[/color] wasn’t 1988 it was 1998 and we enjoyed that for 3 years....lol remember that time you had us all out in the yard because you thought the rapture was going to happen that night or the many times you told me to not travel to far because it could happen time after time or that I should fill up my bathtub with water because it was going to happen another time...lol..the times we have had....anyway what sent me on a downhill descent was the following verses as I knew it was a betrayal verse and I thought it pertained to you and me...it knocked me so far down I couldn’t get back up. It was basically a verse that said I had no chance of redemption...this verse had me in the deepest depression and loneliness I have ever felt and it lasted for 10 years...I can still remember the exact day I read it and darkness fell on me it was July 21 2001 around 11:30 as I was at work ....here is the verse: Psalm 55: 12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: 13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, [color=darkred]my guide[/color], and mine acquaintance. 14 [color=darkred]We took sweet counsel together[/color], and walked unto the house of God in company. Little did I know it was a 10 year test....on november 15 th or 16th 2011 I said to God I know I will not be redeemed because scripture has to be fulfilled but I’m going to give you something no one else can...me knowing I’m going to go to hell i’m going to load praise songs on my CD player and walk up in the dark to this field I live near by and sing dance and send you praises because you are God...I went up for I don’t know how long ..over an hour I suppose and came back home...the next night I did the same thing the difference being the 2 Nd night that weight and darkness lifted off me and my eyes opened to a new perspective....notice psalm 55 is not a type of Jesus and Judas betrayal...it is a judah and joseph betrayal ....because we see the betrayer is[color=darkred] the guide[/color]...you were the guide sword. Then once I understood it was a Joseph and Judah scenario all the scriptures turned pleasant...as then I knew God was for me and not against me...I have great peace now ...that 10 year test was a nightmare but gave me the strength I have today P.S the names of the books were revelation 2000....and the other was the end of the age by m.j Agee .....have a good day [/quote] Lighten up Watermman. Apparently You didn't understand the point or the levity of it at all. It wasn't about or had nothing to do with our relationship in the sense of you understanding this scenario. It was only meant to be a metaphorical example of both you and my behavior. It was meant to be taken as a hyperbole and not actually the correct date setting of any happening or to cause you to look bad or me to be as paranoid as was portrayed in the story. It was simply to reveal the point of your and many others mindset and to that obstinate determination once that mindset takes hold. The same example of the dog in the story without the levity....yes the the dog is fine...Don't you get it there is no real dog, no half truths, no date setting, he isn't buried upon a hill looking out at vast lands! He is resting well within my mind enjoying his moment of fame upon the pages of a fictional story. Neither is the scenario I told about you, completely true. Yet, you are not a figment of my imagination, unlike the dog you exist, unlike the dog, some of the scenes in the story are true...not the murder scenes or the glazed eyes or the ripping of the throat possibilities. The point of both stories (the dog) and (of you) is that of the (mindset) displayed once one believes something might be true...the man might be trying to harm you if he removes your chains. the rapture might happen at that time. You might be that (person/prophet/witness) you believe you are! The stories were not as all truths, but to make the point... characters of all nature can self destruct if they have such a (Mindset in and of themselves) that all other reasoning even revelations, even truths, become secondary in their own obstinate reasoning. As for me filling up the bathtub with water. Although it has been many years since I thought that way. Good idea if the rapture would have appeared, there would have been plenty of water for all those others left behind...and you...lol. [/quote] Lol...I won’t need that bath water...I will have already been kicked out of the country before the judgement of God arrives....Joseph/ the teacher of righteousness leaves before his brothers. I revised the post you just replied to...scroll up and look for the Moses with the burning bush picture and you can read it...or you can pass...if you are the guy trying to remove my chain there is no need as my chain was removed by God November 16 2011... you can read about it above in the Moses at the burning bush picture post that I posted above in this thread. [/quote] We all have chains Waterman. They are never completely removed until we reach perfection in the next life. Sadly many are never even recognized, and other chains remain hidden from our sight our whole lives. One of these chains that most never recognize is pride. When one gets set in his ways, and his mind is not allowed to hear the counsel of others, who trust in the same God who directs us all. Then it seems to many their only recourse is to lash/snap back and bite the one who seeks to aid them. [/quote] The problem is you don’t look to aid me....you look to take your position the kingship and my position the birthright and priesthood...so we will wait til the throne room when God verifies what he has already shown me...lol It’s no wonder Jesus put the clause in Jeremiah that says he can break his conenant with David being king if he can break his covenant with the sun and moon and the sun and moon no longer shine in the new heaven after the millennium... he also added the verse the scepter shall not part from Judah until Shiloh shows up and Shiloh meaning him whose right it is... Jesus is Judah before the millennium and David is Shiloh... after the millennium David is Judah and Jesus is Shiloh so Jesus is guaranteed the scepter back.... very smart... from what I’ve seen of sword I’d be concerned he wouldn’t give back the scepter when time was up either... there must be a reason Jesus made up the clause to get back the sceptre as we know he can see the future.... hmmmm....lol I’m kidding sword I know you would give up the sceptre when you were supposed to.....but only because Jesus inserted two scriptures to assure it right.... lol. A little more levity for ya... but then again you know my sense of humor...lol.. is that how you say it when you insult someone and expect them to laugh about it?... lol [/quote] Waterman, you wrote and I quote: "Is that how you say it when you insult someone and expect them to laugh about it" One way yes. Have you ever heard of Don Rickles, probably one of the most admired/funniest comedians among his peers and with the public. Why b/c they were not so full of pride that they couldn't laugh at themselves. Find me someone who can't laugh at themselves when being playfully jeered/reviled/put down. And I will show you a man/woman full of pride and thinks far too highly of themselves. [/quote] You misquoted me....in case you missed it I put an “lol” at the end of it which means it’s sarcastic humor...try to read the whole thing next time so you can quote me correctly...lol [/quote] My apologies, I didn't notice the lol at the end. [/quote] Not the last time you are going to apologize to me but hey whose counting...lol...again notice the “lol” on the end [/quote]
Original Message
I have never posted a thread before and am frankly very nervous to do so, however, I feel inspired to post this, therefore I choose to comply happily.
I have seen many people being misdirected as to what the "Branch" is in Scripture, both on GLP and around the internet, thus, I feel the need to articulate the truth, in accordance with Scripture, the best I can.
Many people and scholars argue that the "Branch" is the Messiah, however this is a grave error. Despite what Jesus says in
John 15:1
"I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman." And, what He says in
John 15:5
"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.", many people have been leading others to believe that Jesus Christ was simply a Branch. Please pray about this and check Scripture.
In order to understand the significance of this misinterpretation, it is necessary to consult
Isaiah 11:1
: "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots. And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears. But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins."
You see, Jesus Christ is the rod out of the stem of Jesse, whereas the Branch is the servant of God who is foretold in
Zech 6:12-13
:
"And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both."
Branch is a certain servant of God, namely the man child in
Rev 12:5
, for he grows out of the roots of the rod (Jesus Christ), which means that he comes after the the true apostolic church has been ruined by the Antichrist (those many false teachers
(2 John 7)
. Only the roots of the church are left, from where he comes, i.e the uncorrupted words of Holy Scripture.
May God Bless you,
RockyMtnLady
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