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[quote:Anonymous Coward 68184698:MV8yNzg2NzM5XzQ4OTY0ODQ2XzM3QkUzMTYx] [quote:Anonymous Coward 68153876:MV8yNzg2NzM5XzQ4OTUzNDgzXzM4MEMzMUVG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 68126066:MV8yNzg2NzM5XzQ4OTM1MTIzXzZFMDNCMUYy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 68126066:MV8yNzg2NzM5XzQ4OTMxNjc0XzczRDUxQzY=] [quote:Anonymous Coward 49492925:MV8yNzg2NzM5XzQ4ODk5Nzc3X0RCQUU4OUEw] [quote:Anonymous Coward 68028399:MV8yNzg2NzM5XzQ4ODgzMDIwXzZGMkYzNzE3] [quote:Anonymous Coward 68005608:MV8yNzg2NzM5XzQ4ODY1NjQ4X0E5Nzg4NUFD] Here is an excellent commentary on everything I have been considering about chapter 7. I've vacillated between the traditional and alternative perspectives and now am in the alternative camp. bibleprophecy.net/secret/lgusa-4.htm excerpt: In Revelation 13 the lion, leopard and bear are combined in one conglomerate beast whereas in Daniel 7 the three beasts are presented separately. This is one evidence among others to show that these visions are meant to apply now, and not thousands of years ago. Almost all Bible commentaries place the fulfillment of Daniel 7 in the distant past. The lion is Babylon, the bear Medo-Persia, the leopard Greece, the unnamed beast Rome. And these explanations would be fine if there were not reasons from the text of the Bible itself indicating that the visions should apply now. The first reason comes from a comparison of the visions of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. Because of the obvious parallel of these visions (see the chart on page 82) it makes sense to interpret them in tandem. In Daniel 7 the animals are presented individually. In such a presentation it is natural to conclude, as commentators always have, that the animals refer to successive empires. Medo-Persia followed Babylon, just as the bear followed the lion. But when we see the lion, bear and leopard rolled into one beast in Revelation 13, the symbolism is telling us that all three of the powers represented here are existing at the same time. The explanation we presented in chapter two takes that into account. Since we gave evidence in that chapter to interpret the unnamed beast of Revelation 13 as the United States, then if the visions of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 are parallel, then we would expect that the unnamed beast in Daniel 7 is also the United States. Before pursuing that, let us look at a few more evidences from the text indicating that this prophecy of Daniel 7 should be patient of another interpretation beyond the traditional interpretation which places it in the past. In verse 17 of Daniel 7 the interpreting angel, probably Gabriel, tells Daniel (and now the rest of us who are also listening) that these four beasts are four kingdoms which "will arise from the earth." We are being told about beasts which arise in the future. But at the very time the angel was telling Daniel these things, Babylon was about to fall. It was not about to "arise" in the future. This is very crucial Biblical evidence begging for an alternative explanation for this chapter than the traditional outlay of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Another textual evidence to look beyond the traditional explanation of this chapter comes from verse 7. We read there: After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast…and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it… (Dan 7:7) At face value, the expression "the beasts that were before it" seems to mean the beasts that came before it in time. That is, first the lion came and went, then the bear came and went, then the leopard came and went and now the fourth beast is appearing. But the Hebrew word qodam, translated "before," more perfectly means "in the presence of." Thus, what Daniel is telling us is that all these animals were before him at the same time. Lion, bear, leopard, and fourth beast are all standing together at the same time. Thus, as in Revelation 13, we can conclude that these animals represent nations existing at the same time. The language of the prophecy fits better with a future, simultaneous application of the symbols than the traditional sequential, chronological one. Another indication that this prophecy refers to the end of time, and not to thousands of years ago, come in verses 21 and 22:....... The "horn" referred to above comes from the fourth beast, and is seen "making war" with God’s people ("the saints") right until the final judgment at which time "the saints possessed the kingdom," a reference to the Age to Come. But if the fourth beast represents Rome, this prophecy is false, because Rome is not still persecuting Christians. .... The beast power would be persecuting the people of God until the Lord executes judgment at the end of time, as described in this chapter: Thrones were set up while I was watching, and the Eternal God took his place. His clothing and his hair were white as snow. His throne was a blazing fire with fiery wheels, and flames were dashing out from all around him. Countless thousands were standing there to serve him. The time of judgment began, and the books were opened. I watched closely to see what would happen to this smaller horn because of the arrogant things it was saying. Then before my very eyes, the fourth beast was killed and its body destroyed by fire. The other three beasts had their authority taken from them…(Dan 7:9-12) [/quote] Daniel 8 Once again, I have to admit I was not in the futuristic camp until I watched this person's video. [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OskdoEGEb_M[/youtube] It gave me a fresh perspective on Daniel 8. After I re-read Daniel 8 and re-watched the video - it all made sense (not that I agree with everything in the video. The goat (entity going to war with Iran), came from the west portion of the whole earth never touching the ground. If you think about it - warfare in biblical times meant riding in a Chariot or on a horse and had to touch the earth. Now, we have drones, jets, nuclear weapons, missles you name it to fight a battle with. Also, Gabriel tells us it is not until the appointed time - the end of days, and Iran will become a great nation. How does Iran achieve the status of greatness? By obtaining nukes. We know Iran is almost a nuclear nation and most likely will become one. At that time - the west will go to war with Iran. Edward Everett also informs us - Alexander was not the first king. I checked on this - and it is true. So I have switched for now to chapter 8 being in the future [/quote] Daniel 8 cont. The ram is Iran - and becomes great ( a nuclear power ?): The goat's lead (USA or ?????) country is destroyed and 4 other countries rise up. The antichrist comes out of one of these 4 countries: 4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great. 5 And as I was considering, behold, [b]an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground[/b]: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. ------ Iran is destroyed by the goat. The goat could be a coalition led by the USA, Nato or EU: 7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. 8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. 9 [b]And out of one of them came forth a little horn[/b], which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. ---------- If you recall - [b]Daniel 7 tells us this little horn[/b] (antichrist) arrives on the beast after the 10 kings are established. [/quote] Tying the chapters 7 and 8 together - we are given 2 ways the antichrist arrives on the scene. Chapter 7 - it's clear he rules the very last kingdom on this earth. Chapter 8 - he only succeeds in ascending to leader ship after the goats horn is broken into 4 separate entities. From there both chapters add some detail about the character of this evil person: ------------ Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. 23 ..... The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. ------------ Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 24....his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25 ...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many [/quote] To summarize: Fourth beast shall: shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.(Revelation infers the antichrist will head up this effort). If we extract the antichrists qualities we have in chapter 7 and 8 so far: shall subdue three kings shall speak great words against God shall wear out the saints of the Lord change times and laws magnify himself above God take daily sacrifice away cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered by peace shall destroy many There are other chapters where we learn of the antichrists characteristics, but the bulk of them come from 7 & 8. [/quote] Daniel 8 continued: Gabriel, an angel God sent to Daniel to interpret the vision tells Daniel the vision is for the end of time and gives him a breakdown of the vision. Here is where we get more information on the antichrist: 23 And in the [b]latter time of their kingdom[/b], when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. 24 [b]And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power[/b]: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and [b]shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.[/b] [b]Who are the mighty?[/b] We know who the holy people are i.e. Israel [/quote] Quote from Passage above: (He) [b]shall destroy the mighty. [/b] Compare James 5 to woman on beast aka mystery babylon (Rev 17 & 18). Are they one and the same, whose destruction causes a worldwide economic collapse: Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 23....f[b]or thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries(cdo's, derivatives) were all nations deceived.[/b] Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman [b]drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus[/b]: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. The passages here can readily be applied to bankers today: James 5 King James Version (KJV) 5 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. 2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. 3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. 4 Behold, [b]the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. [/b] 5 [b]Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. 6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you. [/b] ------------ James 5 is pretty much saying what Revelation does about the wob The [b]mighty refers great men of the earth[/b] in James 5 and Rev 18. [/quote]
Original Message
In Mathew 24 Jesus' disciples ask when will the world end?
Jesus answered and said - When you SEE ALL these things - this is the generation that will see all prophecy fulfilled (Math 24:33).
He literally means seeing, i.e. through webcams, videos, computers etc.
What are ALL the things we shall SEE?
Earthquakes, disease and wars in many places around the world. (Math 24:7)
Only in this generation has this been possible - at these websites:
ds.iris.edu/seismon/;
outbreaks.globalincidentmap.com/
Ancients didn't have the ability to SEE or know of earthquakes and disease on the other side of the world i.e. Alaska etc - nor would they care?
We should care however, because Jesus tells us these things will start out slowly like birth pangs and accelerate to apocalyptic levels. When this happens (and they are accelerating), we'll have a sign the end is near.
Next - When we SEE "the evil one" in the temple from a field or rooftop - this is the start of Great Tribulation.
Why would Jesus use the examples field or rooftop?
How would you SEE "satan's man" standing in the holy place from a field?
Only way I know is with a mobile device i.e. smartphone. Therefore this prophecy couldn't happen until we had mobile devices.
This "evil person" will be so arrogant, he'll have his conquest of Jerusalem streamed live to the internet - for all to see and hear his declaration that he is greater than the God of the universe. (2 Thes 2).
Keep in mind only a priest can enter the "holy place" - so no worshipers will be in there.
Additionally, he gives a dire warning for those in Judeae/Jerusalem flee to mountains. where God has prepared a place of safety for them. (Math 24:15-18, 21) .
Every example he uses is very carefully chosen, and conveys something important, and relevant to the entire world.
He tells us we will NOT be caught unaware - that these things will happen all together; not one here or there - ALL.
Here are some more prophecies that require internet:
The gospel will be preached unto all the nations of the earth and then "the end". (Math 24:14)
All will be required to take a mark of the beast to buy or sell. (Rev 13:16). With so many people in the world today, we need computers to keep track of everyone - and THEY are doing this already.
All will SEE his (antichrist) image move and speak, and be required to worship this image that is alive and can move and speak. (Rev 13:15)
Hmmmm - TV, youtube, computer, mobile device.
All will SEE the antichrist kill 2 witnesses in Jerusalem. After 3 days God will have them rise on their feet, and ascend into heaven in front of the whole world.
Ezekiel 39:21 - ALL will SEE God punish the nations that attack Israel in the gog magog war (coming soon).
All this will be accomplished in one generation.
ALL these things must be happening simultaneously also:
evil abounding - love grows cold: porn number one industry on internet. No shortage examples evilness on internet today.
many offended - political correctness to point can't say something without being killed, fired or going to jail.
christians beheaded - on youtube and other places nonetheless.
Jesus will be hated - we know satan is trying to rid the world of anything having to do with Jesus.
many false prophets - oh yeah
many claim to be christ - yep - but the "real fake" is yet to come.
I'll talk about Israel separately - because it offends many :)
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