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Friendly discussion and thought exercise to religious people
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[quote:Petrus:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE2MzA5XzJCNTc5Njcy] [quote:MaybeTrollingU:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE2MjUzX0I3MzdFMTFF] [quote:Petrus:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE2MjE5XzMzOEVDRDA0] [quote:MaybeTrollingU:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE2MTA5XzI4RDM0MjFD] [quote:Petrus:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE2MDM3X0U1ODQ1NkVG] [quote:MaybeTrollingU:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE1OTQ3X0I3QTE1NDQ5] [quote:MarPep:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE1ODkzXzRBMDg0MkE=] [quote:MaybeTrollingU:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE1MDcwX0QzOUE5QTY=] [quote:MarPep:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE0ODk4XzJCQ0UzQUM3] [quote:MaybeTrollingU:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE0NjgyX0Q4OUVDRjky] [quote:MarPep:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE0NTU2XzY4MUJDQjlG] [quote:MaybeTrollingU:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE0MzM4X0RENzQzREFD] Thank you very much to whomever pined! [/quote] You're welcome. Any thoughts on my replies? [/quote] I agree partially. Religion itself is not exactly the problem. The problem is hot it is used. [/quote] Some religions definitely are a problem to mankind. All religion should be applicable to self, primarily, and never used to subdue or damage other people [/quote] Agreed. Unfortunately, this is not the case in the vast majority. Religion, sits on many pillars or combinations of these: Control people Fulfill greedy wills Dominate over the most people as possible They can be summarized in "power hunger". The strategies used are "bully-ish" level. They dominate over people either by fear, guilt or greed, if not by combinations of these. The common folk is usually unable to distinguish the logical fallacies implied, so they buy into the lie without hesitance. [/quote] Organized Christian religions sometimes do this, although they would not find grounds to do so in the teachings of Christ. Judaism and Islam are profoundly supremacist religions (even worse with the atheistic Judaism). The Sermon on the Mount and the Golden Rule show how a true Christian should respond to others. Religions which impose the necessity of control or domination of others should be considered ideologies, not true religion--at least in my mind's eye. [/quote] I might be mistaken, but one of the very basic principles of christianity is to spread the word so everyone would know Christ. That only in Christ can mankind be good. This also sounds supremacist to me. [/quote] Well if you won't let Christ (God) recreate your heart, then continue being evil. No one is forcing you to believe. [/quote] Lets face it this way: I point a loaded and cocked gun to your head and ask: "Give me your money or I'll shoot. Its your choice". Is it really a choice? Will it be suicide if you don't give me the money and I shoot? What if I decide that its not enough money in case you give me and shoot anyway? Its the same thing with mafia. You run your business fine, I'll "protect you" from myself. Just give me money every month and I won't break your legs. Its your choice. Is it really a choice? [/quote] Let's face it this way..... Your sin is weighing you down and at the end of your life you slip into outer darkness because you would not repent (turn away form your sinning) and turn your life over to God's control while He had His oustretched hand toward you.... Who's fault is it if you did not willing receive that RESCUE? Is it not because you choose to hang on to sin? [/quote] Sin, god, salvation... all these according to who? [/quote] Sin is the reason we age and die. You have much to learn, friend. [/quote]
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?
- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
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