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Friendly discussion and thought exercise to religious people
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 76704512:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE3NDA4X0UxQTNENzA0] [quote:MaybeTrollingU:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE3MTQyXzYzRDEzOUY1] [quote:Anonymous Coward 76704512:MV8zODYxMTg4XzY5NTE3MDA1Xzk4MUIwMzY1] Why does your freedom end where others begin? If there is no God than there is no external wrong or right. The world becomes only what you can get away with. If there is no wrong or right than there should be no problem with someone stealing your car, lying about it and sayings its theirs. You would have no problem with that. But we all know that that would be an act of injustice. Each of us has an inner sense of wrong and right. This is not relative with each person having their own wrong or right. This comes from an external source. The fact that you said that your freedom ends where another begins proves that you have an internal sence of wrong and right. Thus you have proven the existence of God. [/quote] Your premises are fallacious. You start with the conclusion then you develop your argument around it. You cannot prove that morality(which is what you're talking about) is inherently sourced in a god. If you claim so, you must prove so. And "reading between the lines" of your statements, leads me to the conclusion that you're one realization away from becoming a horrible person. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but judging by what you wrote, its what leads me to think. You said that people would kill, steal and act horribly without a god. By that I get that you're probably gonna do all these things if by any chance you stop believing. [/quote] I didn't start with the conclusion I started with your words... Again you say if you steal you act horribly. If there is no God and no external wrong or right than why do you say that that is horrible? You have proven to me that you have a moral code. This code has to come from an external source or you would see no problem with someone else acting by their own moral code which may be completely different from your own. Again, your words have proven there is a God by showing you morality. As far as trying to personalize things toward me I wouldn't steal even if it wasn't a sin. But really I thought we were dealing with abstractions. What's wrong? Can't do a little thought exercise? [/quote]
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?
- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
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