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Offer Upgrade  User ID: 810969  United States03/15/2010 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | UPDATE: Here it is in black, white and red all over (old time newspaper communism joke. So damn appropriate these days) Anyways: HERE IT IS IN MSM BLACK AND WHITE...SPELLING OUT THEIR TROJAN HORSE SMOKE AND MIRRORS MOVE: The House Democrats don't have the votes for the Senate health care bill, so now House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she is considering a new approach: deeming the Senate bill law by House rules and then passing the reconciliation bill.This "deem and pass" strategy would avoid forcing the House to take an actual vote on the Senate bill -- which includes the "Cornhusker Kickback" and other controversial provisions that the House Democrats don't support. Naturally, the Republicans are attacking Pelosi's latest strategy. Rep. Eric Cantor, the No. 2 House Republican, says the House Democratic leaders are resorting to "gimmicks that Democrats will use to bend the rules, confuse the American people, and ram through the Senate health care bill." [link to content.usatoday.com] end update. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHR ROCKS. He Posted this to Phen's awesome thread and it just needs to be posted on its own. Here it is: As far as I know the House will HAVE to pass the Senate bill first....which is a somewhat chopped down, but majorly altered version of the original house bill...then if THAT happens? they will try and vote on THIS bill which is more or less a change (correct) bill and if it passes the house, which it will....they will have to try and pass this one through the sanate under reconciliation....which also as far as I know they have already been told won't happen because reconciliation is not supposed to be used for the purpose of passing a bill like this. Now Biden who is the true President of the Senate can over rule that process decision. This whole thing has become a major corruption of the process and IMO has just become insane and so incredibly wrong and just an outright corruption it is unreal, never have seen anything in my life like this in the law making process ever. Also...there are things which cannot be changed...which a lot of people are up in arms about...Reid put at least one section in that clearly states: "It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection." People are berserk over that one, which refers to the so called "Death panels" which it seems are alive and well in the Senate bill. The thing as I see it is that the Senate can STILL change this reconciliation bill, which also may have little chance to pass and the senate STILL has to approve it, now why would the senate change a bill THEY WROTE into the house bill which THEY DIDN'T PASS?.... The whole thing I believe is this...this rec bill doesn't mean shit. The only reason it's typed up at all is so the CBO could score it. The house MUST pass the Senate bill as it was sent to them and THEN if that happens they can try and pass this one AFTER and hope the senate passes it but they certainly DO NOT HAVE TO PASS THIS AND THE SENATE HEALTHCARE BILL WILL BE LAW AS SOON AS OBAMA SIGNS IT. The whole thing is gigantic cluster fuck mess the likes of which I have never seen and it's ponderous to even navigate this huge shit pile of bureocratic nightmares. All those payoff provisions like the Nebraska one, the Florida ones all of em ALL MUST REMAIN INTACT because they are in the Senate bill. You really think the Senators are going to sign off to have those payoffs removed if Obama signs them into law? HAHAHAHA...yeah sure they will, THEY NEVER WILL...senators like like Kerry and Dodd already said they won't vote to have them removed if they are signed into law. This whole reconciliation bill is a nothing more than a ploy to try and shove the real deal...the Senate bill, which funds abortion and all that fun crap through...this bill never has to pass, probably never will pass and the Senators aren't going to change the bill they wrote or give back the payoffs they got, THIS BILL IS PURE SMOKE SCREEN and if the senate bill passes?...this will die and all that screaming about jamming shit through via reconciliation goes away as Obama shrugs his shoulders and says, "Ok we won't usurp the process, you are right, that was the wrong thing to do" and we are fucked and we OWN GOV RUN HEALTHCARE AS LAW and it's NOT GOING TO BE THIS BILL...it will be the Senate bill which the PDF is below....THIS IS WHAT THE LAW WILL BE if the house passes it...which is close on votes right now...this reconciliation bill will never be law....if Obama signs this? IT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND. This is smoke and mirrors guys...this reconciliation bill will never happen... THIS BILL BELOW WILL BE THE HEALTHCARE LAW IF THE HOUSE PASSES IT AND IT'S THE ONLY HEALTHCARE BILL THEY HAVE TO VOTE ON! ...and good fuckin luck getting it removed once it is signed into law if the the house does pass it... [link to democrats.senate.gov]  Last Edited by ExhaleAeonVolts on 03/15/2010 04:19 PM He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. -1984 |
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(OP) User ID: 810969 United States03/15/2010 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IF OBAMA IS STUMPING FOR HEALTHCARE, THE ONLY BILL MENTIONED IS THE HR 3590...Not the Smoke and Mirrors House Bill we are all paying attention to!!! Monday, March 15, 2010 [link to www.californiahealthline.org] Obama Continuing To Stump for Health Care Reform at Ohio EventOn Monday, President Obama is scheduled to appear at a recreation and senior center in Strongsville, Ohio, to discuss health reform in an event aimed at generating public support for the overhaul and encouraging lawmakers to pass a reform bill, the AP/Google reports (AP/Google, 3/15). The event is the beginning of a week in which Obama will spend much of his time talking with Democrats who might not support health reform legislation. According to The Hill, there are at least 33 House Democrats who are planning or considering a vote against the overhaul. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama will "speak either individually with or in small groups with members that may be at this point undecided on how they’ll vote." He added that Obama will re-emphasize "why it’s important not to stop or start over [on reform], why we're dealing with dramatic spikes in health insurance right now and why we have to deal with this problem." Obama pushed back an overseas trip scheduled to begin on March 18 to oversee final consideration of a reform bill. Gibbs said the president delayed his trip to continue discussing reform with lawmakers (Youngman, The Hill, 3/13). Obama Wants State Projects Eliminated From Bill Obama continues to call for the elimination of state-specific projects from the Senate reform bill (HR 3590) in order to appease House liberals, the AP/Washington Times reports. According to the Times, Obama’s insistence is causing friction with some Senate Democrats. James Manley, a spokesperson for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), said Senate lawmakers will keep Obama’s call for removing the provisions "in mind as we pull together a final bill" (Fram, AP/Washington Times, 3/13). He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. -1984 |
| ExhaleAeonVolts
(OP) User ID: 810969 United States03/15/2010 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.nope.com] In the Speaker's Office by David Waldman Share this on Twitter - In the Speaker's Office Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 09:10:03 AM PDT We're in the final push for the passage of the health insurance reform legislation, and Speaker Pelosi has convened a roundtable of bloggers to discuss the endgame. The emphasis, to be sure, is on the substance of the bill. But at this stage, it's impossible to avoid a discussion of process. Which suits me just fine, of course. Here's the rundown on the options the House has before it, according to the Speaker, for finishing the House's work (barring Senate amendment of the reconciliation bill, that is). Option 1: Hold separate votes on passage of the Senate bill (actually, a vote on agreeing to the Senate amendment to H.R. 3590) and then a vote on the reconciliation package containing the fixes. Option 2: Place self-executing language in the rule for the reconciliation bill that deems the Senate amendments agreed to upon passage of the rule. Option 3: Place self-executing language in the rule for the reconciliation bill that deems the Senate amendments agreed to upon passage of the actual reconciliation bill in the House. The first option is very unpopular in the House, since Members are really unhappy and uncomfortable with some of what's in there. They're only willing to swallow the Senate bill after they've made significant progress toward making changes on it. The second and third options are very similar, the only difference being when the self-executing language is in fact executed. Option 3 gets the House furthest down the road toward finalizing things before the Senate bill gets finished. That is, the House will have passed reconciliation and sent it to the Senate, putting the preferred changes out on the table before agreeing to send HR 3590 to the President for signature. The Speaker took care to say that nothing's been finalized in terms of this decision, but her preference is clearly for #3.  He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. -1984 |
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Forum Administrator 03/15/2010 02:51 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The senate healthcare bill as it stands as passed by the senate and sent to house MUST PASS INTACT and OBAMA WILL SIGN IT IF IT DOES. That WILL BE THE LAW!...and this reconciliation bullshit is just that..IT WILL NEVER BE PASSED! ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| SilverPatriot
User ID: 900688 United States03/15/2010 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are correct this is a giant new tax bill and essentially, it has little to do with healthcare, and will not even go into effect for at least three years. Further the majority of the population wanting this mess to pass fail to comprehend that they have dubbed this “affordable healthcare’ and is definitely not free it is just a money making scam perpetuated by an insolvent country. I believe obama feels the passage of this atrocity will stave off a credit rating drop for America however ultimately it will have the reverse effect. |
| ExhaleAeonVolts
(OP) User ID: 810969 United States03/15/2010 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The most likely path to reform is that the House Democrats would pass a Senate version of reform passed on Christmas Eve. Mr Obama would sign the bill into law before leaving for Asia on March 21, and then both chambers would pass "fixes" to the legislation demanded by the House Democrats. The rest would, as things stand, be something of a formality. By a process known as "reconciliation," Democrats would frustrate Republican filibuster obstruction tactics in the Senate and allow the health care overhaul to be finalised before Congress takes a two-week break on March 26. The Democrats have been forced to unorthodox tactics after losing their filibuster-proof majority of 60 in the Senate in a Massachusetts by-election. He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. -1984 |
| ExhaleAeonVolts
(OP) User ID: 810969 United States03/15/2010 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are correct this is a giant new tax bill and essentially, it has little to do with healthcare, and will not even go into effect for at least three years. Further the majority of the population wanting this mess to pass fail to comprehend that they have dubbed this “affordable healthcare’ and is definitely not free it is just a money making scam perpetuated by an insolvent country. Quoting: SilverPatriotI believe obama feels the passage of this atrocity will stave off a credit rating drop for America however ultimately it will have the reverse effect. And if you want to go even further... USA not having Socialized Health care is a big Pain in the Ass for those effectively attempting completion on efforts to create and Absolute NWO.... We (each country) all have to be homogenized...same monies, same healthcare, same gun laws, similarites easy to combined. We are a real stick in the mud for the NWO. Last Edited by ExhaleAeonVolts on 03/15/2010 02:59 PM He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. -1984 |
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Forum Administrator 03/15/2010 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first option is very unpopular in the House, since Members are really unhappy and uncomfortable with some of what's in there. They're only willing to swallow the Senate bill after they've made significant progress toward making changes on it. Quoting: ExhaleAeonVoltsThose KOS tards are as full shit as anyone out there and the ONLY OPTION is for the house to vote on the Senate bill...the rest is nothing but bullshit promises the senate has to make to the house and they already said FUCK YOU WE AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE OUR BILL. Any changes to the bill once it passes will either need a 60 vote majority or they will have to pass under the reconciliation process and people are screaming about Obama doing that as it is...THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT!...the public outcry against that is huge, they don't have to, they won't want to and the senate bill be fucking law that Dynamite won't remove once it is. You Think Obama is going to have the Senate go against all the screaming about reconcilation???? and take all that negative public outcry himself???? They will dump the process, say, "Hey you were right, we listened! None of this reconciliation, it's wrong!"... AND WE OWN THE SENATE HEALTHCARE PLAN! ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| EpicFail
User ID: 916315  Germany03/15/2010 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The senate healthcare bill as it stands as passed by the senate and sent to house MUST PASS INTACT and OBAMA WILL SIGN IT IF IT DOES. Quoting: SHRThat WILL BE THE LAW!...and this reconciliation bullshit is just that..IT WILL NEVER BE PASSED! wait a second... isn't that one of the biggest political scandals / conspiracies ever if proven true? i mean you already clarified why this is in fact going to be the case but  how can other politicians not be outraged about this already and actually warn the public of this scam? it's literally a fucking scam!!!remember the nigerian scammer who raked in $44M? well i guess we have just identified him. kenya my ass LOL...  (btw in case you haven't seen it yet SHR: [link to www.predators-movie.com] - pretty neat  )Last Edited by EpicFail on 03/15/2010 03:06 PM ///////// -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hold to forgiveness, command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant." ~[7:199] :palestine1::occupation::quran1::hamas1::israel1::ahmadineja: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 892378 United States03/15/2010 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The senate healthcare bill as it stands as passed by the senate and sent to house MUST PASS INTACT and OBAMA WILL SIGN IT IF IT DOES. Quoting: SHRThat WILL BE THE LAW!...and this reconciliation bullshit is just that..IT WILL NEVER BE PASSED! This is why it must not be passed. Kucinich is my rep and he will vote against it. |
| ExhaleAeonVolts
(OP) User ID: 810969 United States03/15/2010 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a circuitous strategy born of necessity. Pelosi doesn't have votes for the Senate bill without the reconciliation package. But the Senate parliamentarian said that the Senate bill must be signed into law before the reconciliation package can be signed into law. That removed Pelosi's favored option of passing the reconciliation fixes before passing the Senate bill. So now the House will vote on reconciliation explicitly and the Senate bill implicitly, which is politically easier, even though the effect is not any different than if Congress were to pass the Senate bill first and pass the reconciliation fixes after. This is all about plausible deniability for House members who don't want to vote for the Senate bill, although I doubt many voters will find the denials plausible. But the question remains: Will the bill pass? Pelosi seems confident. "I have no intention of not passing this bill," she said. Her political argument was a lot clearer than her procedural preference. Time, she argued, has been the Democrats' worst enemy. "Every interest group that doesn't want this bill, including the Republicans, benefits from continued delay." The absence of a single bill that's not changing or being merged or being amended has meant that Democrats can't explain what's actually in the bill with any confidence or clarity. That will end in a matter of days. "The bill is locked down," Pelosi says. "We're just waiting for the Congressional Budget Office." When the bill emerges, Democrats will be able to say "definitively" what is in it. And then, Pelosi believes, her caucus will see that this is "the most important bill most of us will ever pass," that it is legislation on par "with Social Security and Medicare." The bottom line, Pelosi says, is that "I have faith in my members." In a couple of days, we'll see if that faith is well-founded. He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. -1984 |
| ExhaleAeonVolts
(OP) User ID: 810969 United States03/15/2010 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first option is very unpopular in the House, since Members are really unhappy and uncomfortable with some of what's in there. They're only willing to swallow the Senate bill after they've made significant progress toward making changes on it. Quoting: SHRThose KOS tards are as full shit as anyone out there and the ONLY OPTION is for the house to vote on the Senate bill...the rest is nothing but bullshit promises the senate has to make to the house and they already said FUCK YOU WE AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE OUR BILL. Any changes to the bill once it passes will either need a 60 vote majority or they will have to pass under the reconciliation process and people are screaming about Obama doing that as it is...THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT!...the public outcry against that is huge, they don't have to, they won't want to and the senate bill be fucking law that Dynamite won't remove once it is. You Think Obama is going to have the Senate go against all the screaming about reconcilation???? and take all that negative public outcry himself???? They will dump the process, say, "Hey you were right, we listened! None of this reconciliation, it's wrong!"... AND WE OWN THE SENATE HEALTHCARE PLAN! Literally. I can hear his voice saying it just as you have stated. It it is so damn ugly. He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. -1984 |
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Forum Administrator 03/15/2010 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.telegraph.co.uk] Quoting: ExhaleAeonVoltsThe most likely path to reform is that the House Democrats would pass a Senate version of reform passed on Christmas Eve. Mr Obama would sign the bill into law before leaving for Asia on March 21, and then both chambers would pass "fixes" to the legislation demanded by the House Democrats. The rest would, as things stand, be something of a formality. By a process known as "reconciliation," Democrats would frustrate Republican filibuster obstruction tactics in the Senate and allow the health care overhaul to be finalised before Congress takes a two-week break on March 26. The Democrats have been forced to unorthodox tactics after losing their filibuster-proof majority of 60 in the Senate in a Massachusetts by-election. If the House Dems pretend to fall for ths bullshit they are liars and just took fuckin payoffs. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| SHR
Forum Administrator 03/15/2010 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The senate healthcare bill as it stands as passed by the senate and sent to house MUST PASS INTACT and OBAMA WILL SIGN IT IF IT DOES. Quoting: EpicFailThat WILL BE THE LAW!...and this reconciliation bullshit is just that..IT WILL NEVER BE PASSED! wait a second... isn't that one of the biggest political scandals / conspiracies ever if proven true? i mean you already clarified why this is in fact going to be the case but how can other politicians not be outraged about this already and actually warn the public of this scam? it's literally a fucking scam!!!remember the nigerian scammer who raked in $44M? well i guess we have just identified him. kenya my ass LOL... :ohappy (btw in case you haven't seen it yet SHR: [link to www.predators-movie.com] - pretty neat )Very few are and there are TONS of payoffs and various arm twisting measures happening right now...the extent of which we probably will NEVER know. ONCE IT'S LAW EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOT REQUIRED AND IS MERELY A PROMISE!....lol....anyone trust these fucks???? ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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(OP) User ID: 810969 United States03/15/2010 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Republicans warn Democrats against legislative "subterfuge" Rep. David Dreier, the top Republican on the House Rules Committee, held a roundtable with reporters Monday afternoon to decry a move by House Democrats to try to pass the $1 trillion Senate health care reform bill without having an up or down vote. "The American people are angry we are resorting to this kind of subterfuge to avoid accountability," Dreier told reporters packed into a small conference room in his Capitol suite. Nobody actually knows what legislative path House Democratic leaders will take as they attempt to round up the 216 votes they need to pass the bill. With no Republicans on board, they need to convince their wary conference to vote for something scoring low in the polls. They are weighing a move to provide vulnerable Democrats cover by holding a vote on a bill that would correct some of the unattractive aspects of the Senate bill and through that action deem the less popular Senate bill passed. But the president would have to sign the Senate bill into law before the Senate could take up the corrective legislation and there is no guarantee that they will be able to pass the second bill. House members are keenly aware of this and many are withholding their vote because of it, but the tactic of deeming the Senate bill passed without a vote will undoubtedly lure in a few votes. Dreier said he wants to make the public more aware of the issue, which could counter arguments made by White House officials that the public doesn't care about process. "Process is substance," Dreier insisted. A vote could come by this weekend. Read more at the Washington Examiner: [link to www.washingtonexaminer.com] Last Edited by ExhaleAeonVolts on 03/15/2010 03:22 PM He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. -1984 |
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(OP) User ID: 810969 United States03/15/2010 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The senate healthcare bill as it stands as passed by the senate and sent to house MUST PASS INTACT and OBAMA WILL SIGN IT IF IT DOES. Quoting: SHRThat WILL BE THE LAW!...and this reconciliation bullshit is just that..IT WILL NEVER BE PASSED! wait a second... isn't that one of the biggest political scandals / conspiracies ever if proven true? i mean you already clarified why this is in fact going to be the case but how can other politicians not be outraged about this already and actually warn the public of this scam? it's literally a fucking scam!!!remember the nigerian scammer who raked in $44M? well i guess we have just identified him. kenya my ass LOL... :ohappy (btw in case you haven't seen it yet SHR: [link to www.predators-movie.com] - pretty neat )Very few are and there are TONS of payoffs and various arm twisting measures happening right now...the extent of which we probably will NEVER know. ONCE IT'S LAW EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOT REQUIRED AND IS MERELY A PROMISE!....lol....anyone trust these fucks???? I just read an article where Obama is calling every wavering Democrat threatening to NOT Do Stump fundraising for their Campaigns in November (which would be a big financial loss, his visits bring tons of money). Just one of the many ways Washington is getting Greasy right now. Disgusting. He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. -1984 |
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Forum Administrator User ID: 817630 United States03/15/2010 03:22 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Drop the dimes, GLP. Contact Louise Slaughter: Washington D.C. Office 2469 Rayburn HOB Washington, D.C. 20515 Phone: (202) 225-3615 Fax: (202) 225-7822 Contact Pelosi: Office of the Speaker H-232, US Capitol Washington, DC 20515 (202) 225-0100 Contact list – Blue Dog Democrats Via Tea Party Patriots: TARGETS BY STATE ALABAMA Rep. Bobby Bright, Alabama 2nd [link to www.bright.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-2901, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-8913 Local Office Number: (334) 794-9680, Local Fax Number: (334) 671-1480 Chief of Staff: Jason Buckner email: [email protected] Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition ARIZONA Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, Arizona, 1st [link to kirkpatrick.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-2315, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-9739 Local Office Number: (928) 226-6914, Local Fax Number: (928) 226-2876 Voted Yes on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Rep. Harry Mitchell, Arizona 5th [link to mitchell.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-2190 Local Office Number: (480) 946-2411 Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona, 8th [link to giffords.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-2542, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0378 Local Office Number: (520) 881-3588, Local Fax Number: (520) 322-9490 Voted Yes on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership ARKANSAS Rep. Marion Berry, Arkansas 1st [link to www.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-4076, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5602 Local Office Number: (870) 972-4600, Local Fax Number: (870) 972-4605 Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership Rep. Mike Ross, Arkansas 4th [link to ross.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-3772, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1314 Local Office Number: (870) 881-0681, Local Fax Number: (870) 881-0683 Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership CALIFORNIA Rep. Dennis Cardoza, California 18th [link to www.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-6131, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0819 Local Office Number: (209) 383-4455, Local Fax Number: (209) 726-1065 Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership Rep. Jim Costa, California 20th [link to www.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-3341, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-9308 Local Office Number: (559) 495-1620, Local Fax Number: (559) 495-1027 Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership Rep. Laura Richardson, California, 37th [link to richardson.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-7924, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7926 District Office Number: (202) 225-7924, District Fax Number: (202) 225-7926 Rep. Linda Sanchez, California, 39th [link to lindasanchez.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-6676 Local Office Number: (562) 860-5050 COLORADO Rep. Markey, Colorado 4th [link to betsymarkey.house.gov] DC Office Number: 202-225-4676, DC Fax Number: 202-225-5870 Local Office Number: 970-221-7110, Local Fax Number: 970-221-7240 Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition FLORIDA Rep. Allen Boyd, Florida, 2nd [link to boyd.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-5235, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5615 Local Office Number: (850) 561-3979, Local Fax Number: (850) 681-2902 Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership Rep. Ron Klein, Florida, 22nd [link to www.klein.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225.3026, DC Fax Number: (202) 225.8398 Local Office Number: (561) 544-6910, Local Fax Number: (561) 544-2864 Rep. Suzanne Kosmas, Florida, 24th [link to www.kosmas.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-2706, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6299 Local Office Number: (407) 208-1106, Local Fax Number: (407) 208-1108 Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote GEORGIA Rep. Jim Marshall, Georgia 8th [link to jimmarshall.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-6531, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3013 Local Office Number: (478) 464-0255, Local Fax Number: (478) 464-0277 Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership Rep. John Barrow, Georgia 12th [link to www.barrow.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-2823, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3377 Local Office Number: (706) 722-4494, Local Fax Number: (706) 722-4496 Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership IDAHO Rep. Walt Minnick, Idaho 1st [link to minnick.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-6611, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3029 Local Office Number: (208) 888-3188, Local Fax Number: (208) 888-0894 Chief of Staff: Kare Haas email: [email protected] Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently No on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition ILLINOIS Rep. Daniel Lipinski, Illinois 3rd [link to www.lipinski.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-5701, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1012 Local Office Number: (312) 886-0481, Local Fax Number: (773) 767-9395 Rep. Melissa Bean, Illinois 8th [link to www.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-3711, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7830 Local Office Number: (847) 517-2927, Local Fax Number: (847) 517-2931 Rep. Deborah “Debbie” Halvorson, Illinois, 11th [link to halvorson.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-3635, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3521 Local Office Number: (815) 726-4998, Local Fax Number: (815) 726-8024 INDIANA Rep. Peter Visclosky, Indiana, 1st [link to www.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-2461, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2493 Local Office Number: (219) 795-1844, DC Fax Number: (219) 795-1850 Rep. Joe Donnelly, Indiana 2nd [link to donnelly.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-3915, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-6798 Local Office Number: (574) 288-2780, Local Fax Number: (574) 288-2825 Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership Rep. Brad Ellsworth, Indiana, 8th [link to www.ellsworth.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-4636, DC Office Fax: (202) 225-3284 Local Office Number: (812) 465-6484, Local Fax Number: (812) 422-4761 Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership Rep. Baron Hill, Indiana 9th [link to baronhill.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-5315, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6866 Local Office Number: (812) 288-3999, Local Fax Number: (812) 288-3873 Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership KENTUCKY Rep. Ben Chandler, Kentucky 6th [link to chandler.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-4706, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2122 Local Office Number: (859) 219-1366, Local Fax Number: (859) 219-3437 Chief of Staff: Denis Fleming email: [email protected] Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition LOUSIANA Rep. Charlie Melancon, Lousiana [link to www.melancon.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-4031, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-3944 Local Office Number: (985) 876-3033, Local Fax Number: Chief of Staff: Joe Bonfiglio email: [email protected] Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently No on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition MAINE Rep. Michael Michaud, Maine 2nd [link to michaud.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-6306, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2943 Local Office Number: (207) 942-6935, Local Fax Number: (207) 942-5907 Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership MARYLAND Rep. Frank Kratovil, Maryland 1st [link to kratovil.house.gov] DC Office Number: 202-225-5311, DC Fax Number: 202-225-0254 Local Office Number: (410) 420-8822, Local Fax Number: (443) 262 – 9713 Chief of Staff: Tim McCann email: [email protected] Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, Maryland, 2nd [link to dutch.house.gov] DC Office Number: 202-225-3061, DC Fax Number: 202-225-3094 Local Office Number: 410-628-2701, Local Fax Number: 410-628-2708 MASSACHUSETTS Rep. Ed Markey, Massachusetts, 7th [link to markey.house.gov] DC Office Number: 202-225-2836 Local Office Number: 781-396-2900 Rep. Stephen Lynch, Massachusetts, 9th [link to www.house.gov] DC Office Number: 202-225-8273, DC Fax Number: 202-225-3984 Local Office Number: 617-428-2000, Local Office Fax: 617-428-2011 MICHIGAN Rep. Bart Stupak, Michigan 1st [link to www.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-4735, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4744 Local Office Number: (906) 786-4504, Local Fax Number: (906) 786-4534 Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted Yes on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Rep. Mark Schauer Michigan 7th [link to schauer.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-6276, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-6281 Local Office Number: (517) 780-9075, Local Fax Number: (517) 780-9081 Voted Yes on Health Care Currently Undecided Rep. Gary Peters, Michigan, 9th [link to peters.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-5802, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-2356 Local Office Number: (248) 273-4227, Local Fax Number: (248) 273-4704 MINNESOTA Rep. Collin C. Peterson, Minnesota 7th [link to collinpeterson.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-2165, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1593 Local Office Number: (218) 847-5056 Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership MISSISSIPPI Rep. Travis Childers, Mississippi 1st [link to childers.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-4306, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3549 Local Office Number: (662) 841-8808, Local Fax Number: (662) 841-8845 Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership Rep. Gene Taylor, Mississippi 4th [link to www.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-5772, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7074 Local Office Number: (228) 864-7670, Local Fax Number: (228) 864-3099 Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership MISSOURI Rep. Ike Skelton, Missouri 4th [link to www.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-2876 Local Office Number: (816) 228-4242 Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote NEW JERSEY Rep. John Adler, New Jersey 3rd [link to adler.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-4765, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0778 Local Office Number: (732) 608-7235, Local Fax Number: (732) 608-7268 Voted Yes on Stupak Voted Yes on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote high priority NEW MEXICO Rep. Martin Heinrich, New Mexico 1st [link to heinrich.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-6316, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4975 Local Office Number: (505) 346-6781, Local Fax Number: (505) 346-6723 Voted Yes on Health Care Currently Undecided Rep. Harry Teague, New Mexico 2nd [link to teague.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-2365, DC Fax Number: Local Office Number: (575) 393-0510, Local Fax Number: Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote NEW YORK Rep. Tim Bishop, New York 1st [link to timbishop.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-3826, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3143 Local Office Number: (631) 696-6500, Local Fax Number: (631) 696-4520 Voted Yes on Health Care Currently Undecided Rep. Michael E. McMahon, New York 13th [link to mcmahon.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-3371, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-1272 Local Office Number: (718) 351-1062, Local Fax Number: (718) 980-0768 Voted Yes on Stupak, Voted No on Health Care, Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Rep. Scott Murphy, New York 20th [link to scottmurphy.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-5614, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1168 Local Office Number: (518) 828-3109, Local Fax Number: (518) 828-3985 Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Rep. Bill Owens, New York 23rd [link to owens.house.gov (secure)] DC Office Number: (202) 225-4611, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-0621 Local Office Number: (315) 782-3150, Local Fax Number: (315) 782-1291 Voted Yes on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Rep. Michael Arcuri, New York 24th [link to arcuri.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-3665, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1891 Local Office Number: (315) 252-2777/2778, Local Fax Number: (315) 252-2779 Voted Yes on Health Care Currently No Vote on Health Care Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Membership Rep. Daniel B. Maffei, New York, 25th [link to maffei.house.gov] DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3701, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4042 Local Office Number: (315) 423-5657, Local Fax Number: (315) 423-5669 NEVADA Rep. Dina Titus, Nevada 3rd [link to titus.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-3252, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2185 Local Office Number: (702) 387-4941, Local Fax Number: (702) 837-0728 Voted Yes on Health Care Currently Undecided NEW HAMPSHIRE Rep. Paul W. Hodes, New Hampshire, 2nd [link to hodes.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-5206, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2946 Local Office Phone: (603) 223-9814, Local Fax Number: (603) 223-9819 NORTH CAROLINA Rep. Bob Etheridge, North Carolina, 2nd [link to etheridge.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-4531 Local Office Number: (919) 829-9122 Rep. Mike McIntyre, North Carolina 7th [link to www.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-2731, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5773 Local Office Number: (910) 323-0260, Local Fax Number: (910) 323-0069 Chief of Staff: Dean Mitchell email: [email protected] Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition Rep. Larry Kissell, North Carolina 8th [link to kissell.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-3715, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4036 Local Office Number: (704) 786-1612, Local Fax Number: (704) 782-1004 Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently No on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina 11th [link to shuler.house.gov] DC Office Number: (202) 225-6401, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6422 Local Office Number: (828) 252-1651, Local Fax Number: (828) 252-8734 Chief of Staff: Hayden Rogers email: [email protected] Voted Yes on Stupak Voted No on Health Care Currently Undecided on Next Health Care Takeover Vote Listed on Blue Dog Coalition T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. 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Forum Administrator 03/15/2010 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The senate healthcare bill as it stands as passed by the senate and sent to house MUST PASS INTACT and OBAMA WILL SIGN IT IF IT DOES. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 892378That WILL BE THE LAW!...and this reconciliation bullshit is just that..IT WILL NEVER BE PASSED! This is why it must not be passed. Kucinich is my rep and he will vote against it. Kucinich is mostly batshit crazy and the reason he isn't going to vote for the senate bill is that it's NOT radical insane enough!, lol... I DON'T EVEN CARE! I SUPPORT KUCINICH'S DECISION! I hope aliens don't come and abduct him before he can vote no! ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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Forum Administrator 03/15/2010 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first option is very unpopular in the House, since Members are really unhappy and uncomfortable with some of what's in there. They're only willing to swallow the Senate bill after they've made significant progress toward making changes on it. Quoting: ExhaleAeonVoltsThose KOS tards are as full shit as anyone out there and the ONLY OPTION is for the house to vote on the Senate bill...the rest is nothing but bullshit promises the senate has to make to the house and they already said FUCK YOU WE AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE OUR BILL. Any changes to the bill once it passes will either need a 60 vote majority or they will have to pass under the reconciliation process and people are screaming about Obama doing that as it is...THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT!...the public outcry against that is huge, they don't have to, they won't want to and the senate bill be fucking law that Dynamite won't remove once it is. You Think Obama is going to have the Senate go against all the screaming about reconcilation???? and take all that negative public outcry himself???? They will dump the process, say, "Hey you were right, we listened! None of this reconciliation, it's wrong!"... AND WE OWN THE SENATE HEALTHCARE PLAN! Literally. I can hear his voice saying it just as you have stated. It it is so damn ugly. Oh that is just what will happen...he will grease it all off as the will of the people and the people are clueless and have no idea what they are asking for half the time...in reconciliation they only 51 votes...you really think the senate will get more than 51 votes to remove chuncks of payyoffs or any of the bulshit in the Seante onces it;s already law????...it will never happen...if anything?...they WILL ADD MORE BULLSHIT....and then they only need 51 votes to do it...IT WILL BE MADE WORSE! ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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Forum Administrator 03/15/2010 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The senate healthcare bill as it stands as passed by the senate and sent to house MUST PASS INTACT and OBAMA WILL SIGN IT IF IT DOES. Quoting: ExhaleAeonVoltsThat WILL BE THE LAW!...and this reconciliation bullshit is just that..IT WILL NEVER BE PASSED! wait a second... isn't that one of the biggest political scandals / conspiracies ever if proven true? i mean you already clarified why this is in fact going to be the case but how can other politicians not be outraged about this already and actually warn the public of this scam? it's literally a fucking scam!!!remember the nigerian scammer who raked in $44M? well i guess we have just identified him. kenya my ass LOL... :ohappy (btw in case you haven't seen it yet SHR: [link to www.predators-movie.com] - pretty neat )Very few are and there are TONS of payoffs and various arm twisting measures happening right now...the extent of which we probably will NEVER know. ONCE IT'S LAW EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOT REQUIRED AND IS MERELY A PROMISE!....lol....anyone trust these fucks???? I just read an article where Obama is calling every wavering Democrat threatening to NOT Do Stump fundraising for their Campaigns in November (which would be a big financial loss, his visits bring tons of money). Just one of the many ways Washington is getting Greasy right now. Disgusting. If this passes the worst thing could do is have him show up to stump for them,,,just like in Mass...wasn't worth shit... I am also about sick to death of having Barky in constant campaign mode...wtf??? IT'S ALL HE DOES! GET THE FUCK OFF MY TV AND GO DO SOMETHING! ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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(OP) User ID: 810969 United States03/15/2010 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first option is very unpopular in the House, since Members are really unhappy and uncomfortable with some of what's in there. They're only willing to swallow the Senate bill after they've made significant progress toward making changes on it. Quoting: SHRThose KOS tards are as full shit as anyone out there and the ONLY OPTION is for the house to vote on the Senate bill...the rest is nothing but bullshit promises the senate has to make to the house and they already said FUCK YOU WE AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE OUR BILL. Any changes to the bill once it passes will either need a 60 vote majority or they will have to pass under the reconciliation process and people are screaming about Obama doing that as it is...THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT!...the public outcry against that is huge, they don't have to, they won't want to and the senate bill be fucking law that Dynamite won't remove once it is. You Think Obama is going to have the Senate go against all the screaming about reconcilation???? and take all that negative public outcry himself???? They will dump the process, say, "Hey you were right, we listened! None of this reconciliation, it's wrong!"... AND WE OWN THE SENATE HEALTHCARE PLAN! Literally. I can hear his voice saying it just as you have stated. It it is so damn ugly. Oh that is just what will happen...he will grease it all off as the will of the people and the people are clueless and have no idea what they are asking for half the time...in reconciliation they only 51 votes...you really think the senate will get more than 51 votes to remove chuncks of payyoffs or any of the bulshit in the Seante onces it;s already law????...it will never happen...if anything?...they WILL ADD MORE BULLSHIT....and then they only need 51 votes to do it...IT WILL BE MADE WORSE! Exactly, Reconciliation will simply be the Concealment of even more entitlements, more gifting, perhaps a couple of signing statements by Obama....It will never take away what it has given. It never has... Do you see our house and senate ever taking the time to remove freedom killing bills from the past...NEVER.... They just keep writing and writing and writing our freedom & money away. He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. -1984 |
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User ID: 916315 Germany03/15/2010 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kucinich is mostly batshit crazy and the reason he isn't going to vote for the senate bill is that it's NOT radical insane enough!, lol... Quoting: SHRI DON'T EVEN CARE! I SUPPORT KUCINICH'S DECISION! I hope aliens don't come and abduct him before he can vote no! [link to 4.bp.blogspot.com] [link to www.freakingnews.com] [link to www.insidesocal.com] [link to bigheaddc.com] nonetheless i'm with him on this one: [link to mypetjawa.mu.nu]  ///////// -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hold to forgiveness, command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant." ~[7:199] :palestine1::occupation::quran1::hamas1::israel1::ahmadineja: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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(OP) User ID: 810969 United States03/15/2010 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If this passes the worst thing could do is have him show up to stump for them,,,just like in Mass...wasn't worth shit... Quoting: SHRI am also about sick to death of having Barky in constant campaign mode...wtf??? IT'S ALL HE DOES! GET THE FUCK OFF MY TV AND GO DO SOMETHING! He isn't a President... He is an ORGANISER...trained by the best, in Chicago. Greasy and Effective. He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past. -1984 |
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Forum Administrator 03/15/2010 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i hope it passes. Quoting: *Shaun*That's because you are dumbass new ager kid with zero motivation and less than the 4 functioning brain cells it takes to realize you are not going to get "Free stuff"... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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Forum Administrator User ID: 882428 United States03/15/2010 03:44 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i hope it passes. Quoting: *Shaun*note to all ^^^^ ricky retardo has that comment copied into his clip board. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Forum Administrator 03/15/2010 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If this passes the worst thing could do is have him show up to stump for them,,,just like in Mass...wasn't worth shit... Quoting: ExhaleAeonVoltsI am also about sick to death of having Barky in constant campaign mode...wtf??? IT'S ALL HE DOES! GET THE FUCK OFF MY TV AND GO DO SOMETHING! He isn't a President... He is an ORGANISER...trained by the best, in Chicago. Greasy and Effective. He is truly an ideolog...a progressive ideolog and more hardcore than anyone expected, even me...and I said he would be a typical tax and spend Liberal BEFORE he was elected...but I never expected THIS, THIS IS BEYOND ANYTHING I DREAMED WOULD HAPPEN....I told people this is the absolute worst time in history to have these people in power because they will do nothing but try and pass social giveaway programs and puss America down as far as foriegn relations go....but what has happened?...it's beyond comprehension...We are in dangerous time abroad and our economy is hurting bad and nothing they will do is going to help either, they NEVER DO, but I never expected them to go so far in doing things THEY KNOW WILL MAKE THINGS WORSE... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 896722 United States03/15/2010 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SHR ROCKS. He Posted this to Phen's awesome thread and it just needs to be posted on its own. Quoting: ExhaleAeonVoltsHere it is: As far as I know the House will HAVE to pass the Senate bill first. NOT exactly. Because Reconciliation is being used for this, the House and Senate versions WILL be different, and the changes 'reconciled' AFTER the Bill is actually signed. |
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Forum Administrator User ID: 882428 United States03/15/2010 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The people say no. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 912390The people are the boss. Lets see them try to enforce this. Just another distraction from the real events. 2012. we have spoken. we're being railroaded here. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Forum Administrator 03/15/2010 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The people say no. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 912390The people are the boss. Lets see them try to enforce this. Just another distraction from the real events. 2012. How'd that work for the PATRIOT ACT?....you are a fool if you believe that...the only way we have to pressure them is let the house know LOUD AND CLEAR...YOU WILL LOSE YOUR JOBS IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS!...and no matter what? some NEVER WILL AND THEY KNOW IT...In fuckin Pelosi's moonbat San Franfuxco district a frikkin transexual down syndrome fire eater from a circus freak show would win if they were a fuckin democrat... and keep believing some 2012 catyclism is going to save you?,...wtf is THAT??? Have we come so far that we think some world destroying whatever event is a rescue???....holy fuck we are screwed with enough people in a fucking daze...what is it going to take for people to wake the fuck up and pay attention to anything in the real world? Maybe people do need to die left and right from passing this shit and the ponderous fucking taxes and all it's going to bring so that when you get a bunch of raging riots in your town because there is NO FUCKING MONEY, NO WORK, NO NOTHING LEFT and you try to tell people that they only need to vibrate to a higher dimension and they blow your fuckin knee off with a shotgun and take your shit you'll finally realize you were fuckin asleep...is that what it is going to take to wake people up? ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
