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User ID: 899829 United States 03/17/2010 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm pretty sure the 2nd amendment applies to individuals, not federal/state/county/city governments. Remember that there are really 4 branches of government: The People (individuals) - Legislative - Judicial - Executive. The people are at the top of the food chain here because all authority is derived from the people and given to the agents of government through consent. Last Edited by Shingen on 03/17/2010 05:26 PM "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner "If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 883349 United States 03/17/2010 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Mass you have to take a Basic Firearms Course to get a FID card not to mention be cleared by your town's Chief of Police. Every six years you need to renew the card and take another course. Then there are the restrictions on "large" capacity weapons etc. I live in a neighboring state and within a couple of weeks had an FID card a 9mm pistol and AK-47. Large capacity. No silly course just a test administered by the FFL dealer. Yes of course a background check etc. but basically pain free. |
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User ID: 899829 United States 03/17/2010 06:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's a debate strictly between being a state or federal right, then there isn't much debate, the Constitution was formed at the beginning of the republic and there was no strong central federal government. ALL amendments and laws were designed for The People and the states, with limited powers to a central government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 911334I'm pretty sure that the Constitution of the United States doesn't apply to individuals at all.. period. The purpose of the Constitution is to restrict government, not to restrict the individuals. Once we all again begin to understand that we individuals are the Sovereigns and that the agents of government are the servants then we will have our Republic restored. Last Edited by Shingen on 03/17/2010 06:26 PM "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner "If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 911334 Puerto Rico 03/17/2010 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's a debate strictly between being a state or federal right, then there isn't much debate, the Constitution was formed at the beginning of the republic and there was no strong central federal government. ALL amendments and laws were designed for The People and the states, with limited powers to a central government. Quoting: ShingenI'm pretty sure that the Constitution of the United States doesn't apply to individuals at all.. period. The purpose of the Constitution is to restrict government, not to restrict the individuals. Once we all again begin to understand that we individuals are the Sovereigns and that the agents of government are the servants then we will have our Republic restored. If you think like that you are lost already. The right to free speech, to assemble.. who? an individual The right to bear arms.. who? the individual etc. The rights are stated so as to restrict the government from taking those rights away, in that respect you have it correct where it is to restrict the power of the government. |
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User ID: 899829 United States 03/17/2010 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you think like that you are lost already. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 911334The rights are stated so as to restrict the government from taking those rights away, in that respect you have it correct where it is to restrict the power of the government. I think that you might be confusing the issue about the Constitution. I'm pretty sure it only applies to agents of the government only. That's why you can't go into today's court system and claim any constitutional "rights", as the things enumerated in the Constitution apply only to the agents of the government (what they can and can't control without consent of the governed) and not the Sovereign individuals - who possesses unalienable "rights" (meaning that no government can place controls on them because they do not come from governments). The government can control these "rights" through consent of the governed, which is why you have to sign everything that has to do with governments, that is not expressly enumerated in the Constitution. "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner "If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly |