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Massachusetts Rules 2nd Amendment DOES NOT Apply To States !

 
Wyatt O'Bibble
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Mass. Supreme Judicial Court Rules 2nd Amendment Does Not Apply To States !


Funny that this story didn't get much play (nothing at first check !) in the two major Boston newspapers !

This is from South Coast Today, a Mass. local news group, published by South Coast Media Group, a division of Dow Jones Local Media Group.


By Brian Fraga [email protected] March 11, 2010 12:00 AM

The right to bear arms as defined in the Second Amendment does not apply to the states, so Massachusetts can regulate who can have firearms and how those weapons are to be
stored, the state's high court ruled Wednesday
.

The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court unanimously dismissed two challenges to the state's gun laws that require citizens to register with police departments before acquiring a firearm, as well as keeping guns stored in a locked container or equipped with a trigger lock.

The court upheld the conviction of Nathaniel DePina, a New Bedford man who is serving a two-year jail sentence for carrying an illegal firearm. His lawyer, Paul Patten of Fall River, challenged the conviction on the grounds that the state's gun licensing laws were unconstitutional.

Patten said the Supreme Judicial Court missed an opportunity to contribute to the debate surrounding the Second Amendment.

"I think they could have at least given some guidance on the issue," Patten said. "This leaves all the main questions unanswered."

Meanwhile, law enforcement officials and gun control advocates praised the ruling.

"We have seen in Bristol County, and I believe this is true throughout Massachusetts, that 95
percent of the gun violence is committed by those who have no lawful right to possess or carry a firearm," Bristol County District Attorney C. Samuel Sutter said.

"That is a powerfully compelling argument for the need for licensing requirements for the possession of firearms."

New Bedford Police Chief Ronald E. Teachman said he was "relieved" with the court's rulings.

"If the SJC had not ruled this way, where would we be? That anyone can have a gun, regardless of criminal background or mental health?" Teachman said.

The challenges before the (Mass.) Supreme Judicial Court flowed from the U.S. Supreme Court's 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, which said that the Second Amendment applied to private citizens in addition to state-regulated militias.

On Wednesday, Massachusetts Justice Ralph Gants said the Heller decision did not have any bearing on state law.

"We conclude that, based on current federal law, the Second Amendment does not apply to the
states, either through the 14th Amendment's guarantee of substantive due process or otherwise,"
he said.

"The defendant's challenge likewise fails under our Massachusetts Constitution, which recognizes no individual right to keep and bear arms."

Jim Wallace, president of the Gun Owners Action League, a gun rights organization, decried the judge's ruling.

"What a mess. It's very clear to me that Justice Gants did not actually read the Heller decision," he said.

The issue could be revisited soon. Last week, the U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments in McDonald v. Chicago, a case in which the court is asked to determine whether the Second Amendment applies to state and local laws.

"The Chicago case will be a remarkable decision," Teachman said. "It will have a profound effect either way."

Attorney Dwight Duncan, a professor at the new UMass School of Law at Dartmouth, said the (Mass.) Supreme Judicial Court may be on "very thin ice" in its gun rulings.

"Given that virtually every provision of the Bill of Rights has been incorporated against the states by the 14th Amendment's due process clause, I think it highly unlikely that the U.S. Supreme Court will decide that the Second Amendment does not apply to the states,"
Duncan said.

Wait a minute Mass. SJC, didn't the states demand that the Bill of Rights be written and adopted ?
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D'yall miss this ?
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People of Mass best grow some whoopass and fix this.
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Very interesting and a great find OP!
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I'm pretty sure the 2nd amendment applies to individuals, not federal/state/county/city governments.

Remember that there are really 4 branches of government:

The People (individuals) - Legislative - Judicial - Executive.

The people are at the top of the food chain here because all authority is derived from the people and given to the agents of government through consent.

Last Edited by Shingen on 03/17/2010 05:26 PM
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Mass-A-chew-sets didn't rule this. It was the JEWS who curently live in Mass-A-chew-sets who ruled this.

Precision in thinking and knowledge leads to better decisions!


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This is a JEW-isch problem not a STATE problem.



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If it's a debate strictly between being a state or federal right, then there isn't much debate, the Constitution was formed at the beginning of the republic and there was no strong central federal government. ALL amendments and laws were designed for The People and the states, with limited powers to a central government.
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In Mass you have to take a Basic Firearms Course to get a FID card not to mention be cleared by your town's Chief of Police. Every six years you need to renew the card and take another course. Then there are the restrictions on "large" capacity weapons etc.

I live in a neighboring state and within a couple of weeks had an FID card a 9mm pistol and AK-47. Large capacity. No silly course just a test administered by the FFL dealer. Yes of course a background check etc. but basically pain free.
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If it's a debate strictly between being a state or federal right, then there isn't much debate, the Constitution was formed at the beginning of the republic and there was no strong central federal government. ALL amendments and laws were designed for The People and the states, with limited powers to a central government.
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I'm pretty sure that the Constitution of the United States doesn't apply to individuals at all.. period.

The purpose of the Constitution is to restrict government, not to restrict the individuals.

Once we all again begin to understand that we individuals are the Sovereigns and that the agents of government are the servants then we will have our Republic restored.

Last Edited by Shingen on 03/17/2010 06:26 PM
"Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey

"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner

"If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly
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Re: Massachusetts Rules 2nd Amendment DOES NOT Apply To States !
If it's a debate strictly between being a state or federal right, then there isn't much debate, the Constitution was formed at the beginning of the republic and there was no strong central federal government. ALL amendments and laws were designed for The People and the states, with limited powers to a central government.

I'm pretty sure that the Constitution of the United States doesn't apply to individuals at all.. period.

The purpose of the Constitution is to restrict government, not to restrict the individuals.

Once we all again begin to understand that we individuals are the Sovereigns and that the agents of government are the servants then we will have our Republic restored.
 Quoting: Shingen


If you think like that you are lost already.

The right to free speech, to assemble.. who? an individual

The right to bear arms.. who? the individual

etc.


The rights are stated so as to restrict the government from taking those rights away, in that respect you have it correct where it is to restrict the power of the government.
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If you think like that you are lost already.

The rights are stated so as to restrict the government from taking those rights away, in that respect you have it correct where it is to restrict the power of the government.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 911334


I think that you might be confusing the issue about the Constitution. I'm pretty sure it only applies to agents of the government only.

That's why you can't go into today's court system and claim any constitutional "rights", as the things enumerated in the Constitution apply only to the agents of the government (what they can and can't control without consent of the governed) and not the Sovereign individuals - who possesses unalienable "rights" (meaning that no government can place controls on them because they do not come from governments). The government can control these "rights" through consent of the governed, which is why you have to sign everything that has to do with governments, that is not expressly enumerated in the Constitution.
"Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey

"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner

"If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly





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