Healthcare deniers...How does it feel...

You're an assclown, what the fuck are you doing about it? Just inciting hate threads? 90% of us here fucking hate this and are watching this shit go down. I've read 2 different bills but our congress can't even do that. Most of America doesn't even care, they think the gov is there to take care of them, our gov has lulled us into thinking it's a nanny state. I can't do anything about this "today" but as each day passes, I'll be talking and then voting. I also work with many small business and large hospitals, the small business have already started laying off and the hospitals are spending money like water as they've got an unlimited well to drink from. Believe me on this, I'm watching it, I'm in sales, I'm making money off of all the influx of cash going into virtual medical records and new hospitals going up. I'm also making money off of the new National Guard Joint Readiness Centers going up so try and do the math.

Last Edited by It's hot here on 03/21/2010 08:42 PM

An Indianapolis doctor's letter to Sen. Bayh about the Bill (Note: Dr. Stephen E. Frazer, MD practices as an anesthesiologist in Indianapolis, IN ) . Here is a letter I sent to Senator Bayh. Feel free to copy it and send it around to all other representatives. -- Stephen Fraser


Senator Bayh,

As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the health care bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government's proposed involvement in the patient-physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is dangerous and certainly not helpful in designing a health care system that works for all. Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our health care system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress will be a disaster if passed.

I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)
Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Govt will ration your health care!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!)
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)
Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead)
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected)
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)

Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions).

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.)
Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)
Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?)
Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!)
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.)
Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)
Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end - of-life! (Again -- no choice!)
Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)
Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.


Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.

Furthermore, if you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor-patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.

Respectfully,

Stephen E. Fraser, MD

Bobby-boi-

How does it feel to be GLP's numero uno ???

Hard to be greedy when all you've got is a can of lard and a half tank of gas.

I do not oppose the bill...I did something yes called my 2 senators and representative and told them I wanted the public option

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No, it was and still is fascism ... which is basically the same as communism.

Well if it passes there probably won't be a Democratic party left after the fall elections.

And how many of 32 mill are illegal aliens?

You must be forgetting about all the people who will be helped by this...They might actually vote

I do not know I am not going to go count them all...Maybe you should if you are worried about it...Better get started

You mean the lazy lowlifes who are to fat and lazy to go to work ?

I call that natural selection if they cannot afford a doctor and die.

What does this bill do again? How is it good?

How does it feel to know that you are...to a majority of Americans...their sworn enemy now? Think it doesn't mean anything fucker? Think again.

So this thread is you "nananana" you fucking man-child?

They are not running the show anyway.

You sound like a Republican...Germany Huh?...I seem to remember old Germany's healthcare system...It involved big ovens

Bob, will you health plan be one of the protected ones?

When, in 2014? There's a lot of taxes that are going to be foisted upon the masses...again, it covers illegals and they're exempt. Oh BTW, the unions are exempt from the cadillac tax.

Exactly ... and our history is the reason because you should be against fascist health care ... Obama is the next Hitler.

Liberals vote with their hearts, conservatives vote with their minds...I guess you love what our country is becoming. Soon you will be on the outside and the conservatives will lend a hand, not try and do it for you cause they know better than you do.

Thank you ...

>>I am sure you DO remember that healthcare plan. If you don't... you are supporting it right now.

Each man has his price Bob, and yours is pretty low.

Well when Obama starts gassing and burning innocent people I might listen to you

The only HC plan will be those backed by the gov, which is all who donated and lobbied for this. Everyone wants a piece of the pie, the insurers didn't want reform in the way of competition across state lines, thusly lowering their already anorexic margins any more than competing with a gov option. So they agreed to be subsidized by the gov, a takeover, much like GM and Chrysler. Jesus people, please think.

He will be, just look at the points in the bills...

It's amazing that a politician can tell you that this healthcare bill is good for your family but their families will be exempt from it AND you believe them.

>>No, you will be helping him shove people into the ovens.

+ 10000

He will to it less obvious ... Obamacare has the death panels included and you know that that is eugenics and genocide in disguise. You already have flouride in your water (which you drink plenty I bet). The FEMA camps are all set up. Your in for a funny time dude ... and this time nobody will help you like your fathers of the great old America helped us germans to get rid if the dictator (which we are very thankful for).

Because the politicians already have coverage...Hello