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Christians that believe they cant Fight Back are Deceived!

 
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Christians that believe they cant Fight Back are Deceived!


We hear all the time that we are to "turn the other cheek." But I don't think that Jesus meant we were to just ]roll over and die!.

This is a war between good and evil! How do you fight in a war with out fighting???


Remember the story David and Golias? David kill Golias by FIGHTING BACK!!!

How did America become free?? BY FIGHTING BACK!

Why do you so called believers sing in your churches about being a warrior for the lord and have your bumper stickers that say "im a solder for the lord" and you don't believe you can fight back? wtf

If you love god and jesus and you think you cant fight back READ THIS THREAD NOW!

OR GO BACK TO YOUR church AND SING AND GET NOTHING DONE FOR THE MOST HIGH GOD AND JESUS YOU SAY YOU LOVE.


A Call To Arms
By Sherry Shriner
[link to www.sherryshriner.com]




One of the biggest dilemmas facing many Christians today is what to do about the persecutions coming against believers in this country. Is there something we can do? Can we defend ourselves against being taken prisoner and becoming a victim to increasing tyrannical oppression from our own government?

Concentration camps have been built, transport trains have shackles lining the inside walls ready to lock people into place, and the New World of Satan is just around the corner. All just a declaration of martial law away.

Martial law is coming to this country whether it is publicly declared or not. This has been in planning for a long time through those at the highest levels of our government and military through traitorous presidents and politicians who have passed legislation guaranteeing a lockdown and police state. We are in the middle of a scripted phony war on terrorism to lead us eventually into martial law. This has all taken years, even decades of planning inside the secret societies that control Washington. It is not if it will happen, but when.

The New World Order is an overthrow of America, its Constitution, and its Patriotic and Christian citizens. It seeks to diminish and then demolish the constitution replacing it with Patriot Acts that take away our freedoms we had guaranteed under the constitution. No longer is there a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Under the Patriot Acts and the New World Order, those who resist their tyrannical form of government have only one right, to die. And many will.

More likely than not, martial law will begin as a covert operation against Americans. Roundups will begin without public notice or mention of them. Mass amounts of people will be picked up at roadblocks, airports, and through middle of the night home invasions by organized military and government abduction squads.

In the name of terrorism and national defense our government will target dissidents of America who are against Satanism and the New World Order. Plans already leaked out and revealed by ex-intelligence agents reveal many dissidents are to be picked up out of their homes in the middle of the night. Anyone picked up whose name appears on an internment list will not have access to a lawyer and neither will their families have any idea where their loved one is being taken. In many instances perhaps entire families will be taken.

Dissident lists have been built from church tithing files (mandatory reporting to the state), library records, and government data collection and spying on internet forums, chat groups, lists, emails, group, organization and church affiliations etc..If you are a believer in the Most High your name is likely on a list. If you have spoken publicly about your belief in the Lord in any way, shape, or form, you are on a list. If you are not a Christian, but you have spoken publicly or belong to anti-new world order groups or organizations, you are on a list. The government tracks everything and everyone. If they perceive you as anything but a pro supporter of the New World Order your name is put on a list.

Should these dissidents, which will include mostly Christians, go silently and consider it as martyrdom? No. The Lord has always given His people protection against tyrannical governments and physical attacks from their enemies. It has always been a basic right to defend yourself against evil or harm. Who are our enemies? Those who act in contempt of God's laws and in this instance, physically seek to harm us with unlawful imprisonment and death.

Biblical law of self-defense empowers us to defend our lives against wicked men who hate God, His law, and the life of their neighbor. And this includes those trying to implement a Satanic New World Order in America who fulfill that criteria. We may assume that those who threaten us with bodily harm or weapons hold the life God has given us in contempt, and, therefore, we may defend ourselves against such evil even to the point of killing those who try to harm us. We are not to go down silently but to stand up against those who come up against us and defend our lives against them.

In the days of Noah Yahweh destroyed the world with a flood because of the wickedness and violence that had covered the whole land, and He knew that men were still wicked after the flood, so He commanded, "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man" ( Gen. 9:6 ). The Lord had decreed capital punishment for murderers. Our Founding Fathers drew upon millennia of Biblical teaching when giving us the right to keep and bear arms for self defense.

Our forefathers based their thought on the Sixth Commandment, "Thou shalt not kill" ( Ex. 20:13 ). A common interpretation was that the sixth commandment required every lawful means should be taken to preserve our own life and the life of others.

In other words, if murder was wrong, actions allowing murder, like not defending oneself or others, were also wrong. This was the "right of self-defense."

Our founders considered this one of the most basic of human rights. They accepted this as a right of all levels of society: the nation, the states, the counties, the family, and the individual. If right and wrong existed, and if murder was wrong, then citizens had the moral obligation to defend the good and innocent at whatever level.

Most refer to the Sixth Commandment that tells us "Thou shall not kill." This was incorrectly translated in English and should read, "Thou shalt not murder." In the chapters following, God gave to Moses many of the situations which require a death penalty. God clearly has not told us never to kill. He has told us not to murder, which means we are not to take an innocent life. If someone is trying to harm you or kill you, they are not innocent.

The Bible is full of stories promoting self-defense. One of the earliest tells of some men who kidnapped Lot, the patriarch Abraham's nephew. Abraham organized a militia and by force of arms rescued Lot from his kidnappers (Gen. 14:12 ).

Government Tyranny

Tyranny rises from within a nation when the government has been captured by men who use their power to oppress the people. Thus, the framers of the constitution recognized the need and right of citizens to keep and bear arms in order to insure real liberty.

Biblically speaking, tyranny exists when civil government departs from God's law and commands us to do things that are forbidden by God or forbids those things we are commanded by God to do.

Many Christians go through and twist every Scripture imaginable and take them out of context on how to deal with violence, tyranny, and oppression. It is no wonder God's laws made it's way into our constitution to be followed and guaranteed as inalienable rights of citizens to protect themselves, form militias and own weapons for their own self-defense. In God's laws and mirrored in our constitution we have or had, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Now, in these prophetic "days of Noah" once again we are seeing wickedness and violence covering the land.

Today we are witnessing our "one nation under God" being turned into a nation under Satanic rule. How should Christians respond to this Satanic and government tyranny? Many people misinterpret the Apostle Peter. In 1 Peter 2:13-15 it says, "Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; or unto governors as unto them sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For this is the will of God." Yes, we are to submit to government authority, unless they contradict God's laws which were protected and written into the Constitution.

In 1 Peter 2:13-14 the apostle exhorts believers to live honorably before men so that the charge that believers are evildoers will be proven false when their good works are seen by men and others can see they are law abiding citizens.

Interestingly, the first good work spoken of by Peter is submission to the laws of men as given by the rulers over them. He says, "Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man...." This is an all-encompassing command that requires Christians to obey the laws of the civil government that God has placed over them. They are to do this "for the Lord's sake;" in obedience to Him and for His glory. Peter explains that we are to obey the civil rulers or magistrate because they have been "sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well" ( 1 Pet. 2:14 ; . Peter then states unequivocally that it is God's will that we honor and obey the king and governors over us (1 Pet. 2:15) but that we are to always obey God first, the laws of man second.

One example of man's laws contradicting the Lord's can be found in Acts 5:39. The Apostles had been brought before the Jewish Sanhedrin because they had disobeyed a previous command from these authorities "not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus" (Acts 4:18 ). The rulers angrily said to them: "Did not we straightly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine and intend to bring this man's blood upon us" (Acts 5:28 ). To this charge of disobedience to their former command, "Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).

The apostles had been commanded by Jesus Christ to preach the gospel of salvation in His name to all men and nations The Jewish rulers directly contradicted this command. Given this evident contradiction between the command of God and the command of men, the course the apostles needed to take was clear, they must obey God even if it meant disobedience to earthly rulers.

This is the course that all Christians must take in a similar situation. When the laws or commands of a tyrant or tyrannical government directly contradict the clear precepts of God, then the Christian must choose to obey God rather than men. In such a case, God's law takes precedence over man's law, and civil disobedience is the path we must take.

All the Scriptures in the Bible in regards to government and authority can be summed up this way: Government was established by Yahweh for our own good. To protect the citizens and punish wrongdoers. To govern justly and for the people to obey their rulers. However when governments no longer are governing justly and showing contempt for God's laws and openly disobeying God and commanding us to do things contrary to God's laws then we are to obey God over established government.

Being obedient to the laws of society and established government glorifies God and contributes to the peace and well-being of a society. Christians should be known as those who respect government not those who foment rebellion and civil anarchy. However in cases where we must disobey the unlawful orders or rules of a government then we should make known our reasons for resistance to those laws and make clear our desire to uphold them but not if they become contrary to God's laws. The goal of all Christian resistance to tyranny is the establishment or re-establishment of Godly order in society.

There are different levels of government from local to national levels. If we are forced to disobey one level of authority then we must seek out another level of authority to represent our case against the one oppressing us. In this way we are upholding God's ordinance of government and glorifying Him in our resistance.

Acts 5:29 and 1 Peter 2:13-15 a teach important doctrine concerning the Christians obedience to the civil magistrate and how to respond to tyranny. They instruct us to obey both God and man; but if the commands of men contradict the express commands of God, we must give our obedience to God. Tyranny must be resisted, but only in accordance with God's Word.

If a tyrannical government exists at all levels, and there is none to seek help to, then the Christian is at odds with the entire established government and must resist it and disobey their rules and laws in order to keep God's laws. God's laws always take precedence over man's.

Does the Bible Teach Pacifism?

Many people, Christians included, assume that Christ taught pacifism. They cite Matthew 5:38-39 where in these verses Jesus said:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, that ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

The Sermon on the Mount from which this passage is taken deals with righteous personal conduct and not seeking personal revenge against someone who has harmed you. In this passage, Yahushua is clearing up a confusion that had led people to think that conduct proper for the government to do, that is, taking vengeance on someone, was also proper for an individual to do.

Even the words used by Christ indicates that He was addressing a confusion, or a distortion, that was commonplace. Several times in the rest of the Sermon on the Mount Christ used this same "you have heard it said" figure of speech to straighten out misunderstandings or falsehoods being taught by the religious leaders of the times.

He wasn't teaching or introducing something new, in fact in the same passage He strongly condemned false teaching: "Whoever therefore breaks one of the commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven..." (Matthew 5:19). Clearly, then, He was not teaching something different about self defense than is taught elsewhere in the Bible. Otherwise, He would be contradicting Himself for He would now be teaching men to break one of the commandments.

He was condemning taking vengeance on someone who insulted or hit you. It is this very passage that has been confused by Christian pacifists who would misinterpret the context of the passage in the Sermon on the Mount about turning the other cheek (which prohibits private vengeance) into a command to falter before the wicked.

The Bible distinguishes clearly between the duties of the government and the duties of an individual and that is what the "turn the other cheek" passage was about. He was telling the people through a parable to not seek personal revenge for a wrong done to you but to let the civil magistrate or what we call local police handle it and let them (courts) administer justice in the matter. Personal revenge and even "lynches" are forbidden.

Many who believe this is a command not to defend ourselves against attackers turn this into a command to thus falter before the wicked. They misunderstand the interpretation of Scripture and disobey Yahweh's commands to protect their life from attackers. This widespread misinterpretation is a clever deception by Satan welcomed into the churches to lull believers into pacifism and into error to keep them from defending themselves against the tyranny he then creates to come up against them with. How many believers over the centuries have died because they disobeyed Yahweh's commands to protect and defend themselves against their enemies? Millions.

Self Defense

Exodus 22:2-3 tells us "If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. If the sun has risen on him, there shall be guilt for his bloodshed. He should make full restitution; if he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft." The context of this verse is dealing with theft and restitution and gives us a basis for God's law of Self-Defense.

The phrase found breaking up refers to breaking up the roof, window, or door to gain entry during the night hours. The owner of the house responds by killing the would-be thief. The declaration of Yahweh's law is that in these circumstances the owner is innocent of any wrongdoing, and is fully justified in using lethal force to defend himself and his family.

The second part of this passage deals with breaking up under different circumstances. In this case, it is during daylight hours when presumably the owner can see whether the intruder is armed and if he does or doesn't pose a threat to his personal safety, but is a mere thief. Yet, in spite of this the owner kills the thief. In this circumstance the owner is guilty of murder because it was not an act of self-defense because he wasn't threatened or attacked. The penalty for theft was restitution, not death. Thus in this instance it is an unauthorized taking of human life. God's law authorizes the protection of life by deadly force if necessary, but His law does not permit the defense of property in the same manner.

We are however, empowered through God's law of self-defense to defend our lives against wicked men who hate God, His law, and the life of their neighbor. Those who act contrary to God's laws and threaten us with bodily harm or weapons are acting in contempt of God's laws thus we may defend ourselves against these wicked people even to the point of killing them to protect ourselves and neighbors.

In Proverbs 25:26 we read that "A righteous man who falters before the wicked is like a murky spring and a polluted well." Certainly we would be faltering before the wicked if we chose to be unarmed and unable to protect ourselves against an assailant who might be threatening our life.

The Christian pacifist may try to argue that God has changed His mind from the time that He gave Moses the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20 or the provision for justifiably killing a thief in Exodus 22. In Malachi we read, "For I am the Lord, I do not change" (Malachi 3:6) and even in the New Testament it is reaffirmed, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever" (Hebrews 13:8).

Does Jesus advocate violence? No. Does He advocate self defense? Yes.

The Christian pacifist will likely object even still because Christ rebuked Peter who used a sword to cut off the ear of Malchus, a servant of the high priest in the company of a detachment of troops. But look at it in the context of what happened. Jesus told Peter in Matthew 26:52-54:
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the Scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

It was not the first time that Christ had to explain to the disciples why He had come to earth. To fulfill the Scriptures the Son of God had to redeem mankind from sin and the penalty of death (also see John 18:10-11). Even yet many use the phrase "those who live by the sword die by the sword" as a battlecry to not defend themselves. This phrase isn't even found in John's account of the same passage and it has nothing to do with a proclamation against self-defense or it would be contradicting all the other numerous passages in the Bible where Yahweh says to arm and protect yourselves.

While Christ told Peter to "put your sword in its place" He clearly did not say get rid of it or throw it out. That would have contradicted what he told the disciples only hours earlier. Peter's sword was to protect his own life from danger. His sword was not needed to protect the King of kings. Jesus was going to lay down His life for mankind and the disciples never understood it until after He arose from the grave.

Trusting God or Disobeying Him?

Another question asked by Christians is "Doesn't having a gun imply a lack of trust that God will take care of us?" Indeed, God will take care of us. He has also told us that if we love Him, we will keep His commandments (John 14:15).

Those who trust God work for a living, knowing that 1 Timothy 5:8 tells us "But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse that an unbeliever." For a man not to work, yet expect to eat because he was "trusting God" would actually be to defy God.

King David wrote in Psalm 46:1 that God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. This did not conflict with praising the God "Who trains my hand for war and my fingers for battle" (Psalm 144:1). The doctrine of Scripture is that we prepare and work, but we trust the outcome to God. It is also David who prophesied that in the last days the Lord's people would do exploits. In other words, they are fighting and resisting the tyranny rule of a tyrannical government. This does not sound like we are to be sheep and herded willingly to slaughter!

If we are to obey God then we are to make adequate provision for our own defense as we are instructed in the Bible. For a man to refuse to provide adequately for his and his family's defense would be to defy God.

There are many who claim "I don't need to arm myself. God will protect me." When Satan was tempting Jesus in the wilderness, he challenged Jesus to throw himself off the top of the temple. Satan reasoned that God's angels would protect him. Jesus responded: "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt the Lord your God.'" (Matthew 4:7). It may seem pious if one is trusting in God for protection, and we all must, but it is tempting God if we do not take the commands that He has laid out for us in the Bible for our own defense.

This point is reflected in the legal doctrine of the United States. Repeatedly, courts have held that the government has no responsibility to provide individual security. One case (Bowers v. DeVito) put it this way: "there is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered." And that is how government has always been and why Yahweh put personal self defense of oneself and their families into their own hands. Peter carried a sword, a weapon of self defense and attempted to use it to protect Yahushua from the Roman soldiers but Yahushua didn't need defending because prophecy had to be fulfilled that He die. And that is why He stopped Peter. So prophecy could be fulfilled not because what he did was wrong.

Some might say, "Let the police protect the citizens." But this is flawed. First of all, the right of a community to protect itself through community defense is founded on the same moral ground as the right of individual defense. But what if the police themselves become the aggressors of a tyrannical government and don't seek to help you but to hurt you? We haven't seen that yet in America, but we will.

Also, even without what is coming ahead and looking at daily matters we face now, the police are simply unable to protect us at all times! Every individual murder in this country proves the limitations of community defense. Community defense is good, but it can never replace individual self-defense and the responsibility of the individual to be able to protect themselves.

A Mirror of Things To Come

Our future is one of death, destruction, and the arrival of the Antichrist. Events leading up to his arrival are what we are faced with daily as our country and governments work scripted plans to destroy each other preparing the way for Satan's arrival.

Countries working together to destroy each other? Yes. The leaders of most governments today are possessed by Satan and his cohorts and are doing as he tells them to do. They are puppets who gave their allegiance to him and follow whatever he tells them to do. Their loyalty is to him, not their countries. Satan has a plan on how he's going to take over the world and the humans leading it are just possessed pawns and puppets of his.

The Bible reveals a great deal about the relationship between righteousness, which exalts a nation, and the obligation for a national and personal self defense.

It makes clear that in times of national rebellion against the Lord, the rulers of the nation will reflect the same spiritual degradation of the people and as a result there becomes a denial of God's commandments, an arrogance of power, disarmament of the people, and oppression.

For example, every time the people of ancient Israel apostacized from the faith they found themselves oppressed under the rule of their Judges. Worse yet, they couldn't even defend themselves, Judges 5:8 tells us that, "They chose new gods; then there was war in the gates; not a shield or spear was seen among forty thousand in Israel."

The first book of Samuel tells of the turning away of Israel from God. The people did not want to be governed by God; they wanted to have and be ruled by a king like the surrounding pagan, God-hating nations. Samuel warned the people what they were getting into the curses (laid out in Deuteronomy chapters 28&29) that would be upon them if they persisted in raising up a king over themselves and their families. Included in those curses was the raising up of a standing, professional army which would take their sons and their daughters for aggressive wars (I Samuel 8:11).

Saul was the result of all the judgments that Samuel had warned the people about. Saul was the king the Israelites wanted and got. Saul didn't trust the Lord and he rebelled against Him by putting himself above God. And for those reasons the nation was destroyed. It was under Saul that the Philistines were able to defeat the Jews and put them into bondage. So great was the bondage exerted by the Philistines that "Now there was no blacksmith to be found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, 'Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears.' But all the Israelites went down to the Philistines to sharpen each man's plowshare, his mattock, his ax, and his sickle;...So it came about, on the day of battle, that there was neither sword nor spear found in the hand of any of the people who were with Saul and Jonathan..." (1 Samuel 13:19-20; 22-23).

Today, the same goals of the Philistines of disarming the people is slowly being carried out by our own government. The sword control of the Philistines is today's gun control of governments that do not trust their people with guns and do not want them resisting their tyranny against them. A protection we have under our Constitution to resist tyranny, form militias, and defend ourselves against those who would try and harm us.

It is indeed up to the Patriots and Christians of America to defend the Constitution of America against the tyrannical New World Order government that seeks to eliminate it and them.

It is important to understand that what happened to the Jews at the time of Saul was not unexpected according to the sanctions spelled out by God in Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28. In the first parts of those chapters, blessing are promised to a nation that keeps God's laws. In the second half of those chapters, the curses are spelled out for a nation that comes under judgment for their rebellion against God.

In Deuteronomy 28:47- 48 it reveals the reason for Israel's oppression by the Philistines during Saul's reign:
Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joy and gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things, therefore you shall serve your enemies, whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger, in thirst, in nakedness, and in need of all things; and He will put a yoke of iron on your neck until He has destroyed you.

This is the same judgment we are facing as a nation today. Our government has turned its back on God's laws and are passing their own that are contrary to God's laws. The Patriot Acts 1 and 2 are contrary to God's laws.

The Israelite army was a militia army and when they gathered for battle each man would bring his own weapons. They were personally armed and ready for battle from the time of Moses, through the Judges, and beyond. When threatened by the Midianites, for example, "So Moses spoke to the people, saying, 'Arm some of yourselves for the war, and let them go against the Midianites to take vengeance for the Lord on Midian'" (Numbers 31:3).

It is our biblical heritage to bear and keep arms. During David's time in the wilderness avoiding capture by Saul, "David said to his men, 'Every man gird on his sword.' So every man girded on his sword, and David also girded on his sword" (Samuel 25:13). In other words, not only was David and his men armed, they would have fought to resist being captured by Saul's men.

Nehemiah and his men rebuilt the gates and walls of Jerusalem with a weapon at their sides.
They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon. For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded. And he that sounded the trumpet was by me (Neh. 4:17:18).

The wording of the Constitution is consistent and in alignment with the teachings of the Bible. Weapons of defense should be dispersed throughout the nation, not concentrated in the hands of a central government. A government honoring the Lord and His laws has no cause to want a monopoly of force and when it does it threatens the lives, liberty and property of its citizens and is operating in opposition to the Most High God.

Our government is increasingly turning its back on Yahweh. They have kicked him out of our schools and many of our government buildings. If Jesus Christ is not our King and our nation no longer held under Godly laws then we will have a dictator ruling over us, just as Samuel warned. And that is exactly what is happening today with the increasing gun control laws and the eventual elimination of the second amendment to own and possess weapons.

In self defense killing someone is justified. If you believe the Bill of Rights is a mirror of the Bible and protections the Lord laid down for His people, then being secure in your own person (second and fourth amendments) is one of those rights. You have a right to defend yourself and your family.

Defending yourself from death or harm is not the same as murder. Murder is the intent to kill someone with aforethought or during the course of an action taken that leads to the murder of someone, like getting in a fight, or auto accident. Laws are established to determine the difference between accidentally killing someone and the intent of murdering someone on purpose.

You have a right to defend yourself. The reason the Jews walked to their deaths via the trains in the holocaust is because they were deceived, they didn't know they were going to their deaths, and those who did, didn't have a weapon to protect themselves. In these last days, knowing persecution is coming, do you defend yourself or willingly go to be tortured and killed and die as a martyr?

For those who think that God treated Israel differently from the way He will treat us today, please consider what God told the prophet Malachi: "For I am the Lord, I do not change..." (Malachi 3:6).

Yahweh told me this:
My child, many seek the answer of life and death in these last days. Many will seek Me and not find Me because they can't hear My voice or listen to My voice. Child tell them that many will be tested for My Name's sake, but he that endures will be awarded the Crown of Life. Many coming against them are purely evil and of the evil one. It is a war against My people just as it has been for centuries. It will escalate on a global scale.

Tell them to fight to defend their children, to protect their loved ones, I will not hold them accountable. Many won't have a chance, they will be taken by surprise and unprepared and marched to the camps. Martial law will come before My hour of testing. It is martial law where they will seek to destroy my people without mercy, it is not the hour of testing where I test My people. These are separate events.

Those who lay down their lives for Me do so because they refuse to worship the image of the beast or receive his name in their forehead or right hand. But those events will come after much bloodshed in this country. Protect yourselves. Self defense is of Me when foreign soldiers seek to invade your homes and harm you or loved ones, I have never told My people to just lay over and die when opposition is in front of them but to seek Me and become overcomers and victors in warfare.

Tell them child there is a difference between warfare that is coming and martyrdom that will come later.

Tell them.

I had a dream last night, on May 18, 2005 and in it I was with my children and we were at some place where there were a lot of people outside, a field, or grassy area, or park, somewhere...and all of a sudden this red cloudish air came out of nowhere and started engulfing the people.

Many were killed instantly, perhaps thousands, hundreds, I couldn't really tell how many people were there, but it was a lot of people. Some were choking and gasping for air and I could hear them as I took my kids and started running toward a nearby church.

One of the things I saw as I was running was that there were these people in some kind of black uniforms and they had buckets in their hands and with huge ladles were pouring some kind of substance over the dead people laying on the ground. They seemed unaffected by the red gas in the air. I don't know how they got their so quick, they were just there, everywhere.

The substance they were pouring over the people almost looked like some kind of lava, it's the best I can describe it. Somehow we had a blanket with us and we sunk down in between two pews of the church and put the blanket over us as I asked Yahweh for protection.

I heard one of those people or beings, not sure what they were, walk into the church and eventually found us hiding. I could hear him standing there staring at us for a few seconds and then he walked away without harming us.

I had to wake myself up it or was I awake already, I don't know, at that point I don't think I was asleep anymore but I got out of bed and my thoughts on it immediately were that we must do anything at all cost to protect ourselves when attacks come. Giving in and just dying is not martyrdom, it's voluntary murder. You are allowing someone to kill you. There were many others at that same place watching the red cloud envelope people and just stood there watching it happen, they did nothing to protect themselves and ended up dying as a result.

Yahweh has given us a gift of life. And we are to honor it. We are to attempt to do something to protect our lives when in danger of being harmed or killed. Do your part and just trust Him for the outcome and you are not at fault for not trying to do something, anything, to stay alive and keep the life He's given you. How can you honor Him with your life if you won't even defend it?

Like sheep to the slaughter is not of Yahweh. Defend yourselves and your lives against the wicked who attempt to slaughter you. Don't let the wolves in political and religious garments lull you to sleep with theological psychology and ungodly legislation to the point you don't think it's of God to defend yourself against them. Stand up and defend your life if you are threatened of harm, do something. Defend yourself, now that is of Yahweh.

The time will come when the people of this nation will be herded up as cattle and headed to death camps. An American holocaust. Resist being taken to them at all cost and don't be taken without a fight. These camps are going to be used for sexual abuse and torture. Many will suffer greatly before they die or are killed.

I can't even put into words the horrors that are coming to this nation. Many will say, "God will protect me" and I'm telling you that HE is telling you to arm yourselves and defend yourselves and that IS how He is protecting you. He is warning you now to prepare for later.

Do you have any idea what they plan on doing to your children in these camps? To you, your mother, father, brother, sister, husband, wife? Your children will become sex toys for the sadistic soldiers running the camps, women and men will be repeatedly raped, beaten, burned, cut up and slowly tortured to death.

Wake up Israel-America! Defend yourselves! Don't be taken alive!
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IF YOU THINK YOU CANT FIGHT BACK THAN YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE constitution! HOW CAN YOU? HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE RIGHT TO BAR ARMS IF YOU THINK YOU CANT FIGHT BACK? SO CALLED BELIEVERS!


OUR FINDING FATHERS WERE BELIEVERS! THEY KNOW THAT IT IS YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELVES!!!!!

YOU PEOPLE REALLY THINK YOUR MAKING GOD HAPPY BY NOT DOING NOTHING?
A friend said to me "there is a 1,000 ways we can die the fema camps are just one of the ways" that is true but ARE YOU GOING TO LET THEM TAKE YOU THE FEMA CAMPS WITH OUT A FIGHT?
Do you really what to die with out getting nothing done for the most high god?



SATIN IS DECEIVING YOU! YOU CAN FIGHT BACK!! IT IS YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT!
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Thanks for the post, OP. :)
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The Disciples carried shanks! Look it up.
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For one thing Jesus never said "go to war". The Apostles never fought. They didn't resist arrest.
You conservative warrior gun tote'n Christians are just going to piss off the secular humanists, and they will turn with a vengeance.

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.

Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
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The coming war in Iran will undoubtedly trigger jhiad retalliation, there is no such thing as a moderate Islamist. When the call is made all out war is going to break out. Imagine an organized strike against Christians while in church, would only take two or three of these people with automatic weapons to walk your congregation during services and level the place. What if this was done country wide? Will we rise to the occasion and fight back? FEMA camps might not be for us Christians after all. Ever met a Mexican that followed Islam? When and if it goes down, race will take the backseat to religion, and an open border to our south could be a good thing. Christians will fight and we will win. It will take a direct attack though to get the sleeping giant to awake.
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For one thing Jesus never said "go to war". The Apostles never fought. They didn't resist arrest.
You conservative warrior gun tote'n Christians are just going to piss off the secular humanists, and they will turn with a vengeance.

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.

Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
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Did you read the thread?? ARE YOU ASKING GOD IF I AM SPEAKING THE TRUTH? STOP EATING UP FAST FOOD RELIGION!

GO BACK TO YOUR CHURCH AND SING!
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FEMA camps might not be for us Christians after all.
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no they are
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You have two choices my friend....

Revelation 13
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
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Funny you should post this. I came across this passage today as I was searching the Bible for something else. I marked it because I believe it is relevent to us Christians right now.

Ecclesiastes 3

A Time for Everything

1 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven:

2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,

3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,

4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,

5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain,

6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,

7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,

8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.

9 What does the worker gain from his toil? 10 I have seen the burden God has laid on men. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end. 12 I know that there is nothing better for men than to be happy and do good while they live. 13 That everyone may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all his toil—this is the gift of God. 14 I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that men will revere him.

15 Whatever is has already been,
and what will be has been before;
and God will call the past to account. [a]

16 And I saw something else under the sun:
In the place of judgment—wickedness was there,
in the place of justice—wickedness was there.

17 I thought in my heart,
"God will bring to judgment
both the righteous and the wicked,
for there will be a time for every activity,
a time for every deed."
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Take rest in that the world will go whichever way it is to go.
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YEAH BUDDY! LET'S CUT THEIR EAR OFF WHEN THEY COME FER US!

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To NOT defend yourself, is another form of suicide.....and God wouldn't want that!

However, to use violence as a form of fighting back is NOT what God meant either: Always remember, "evil will destroy itself....it always does......and it always will do!"

You don't need to fight with evil! Simply be the Light, and the evil will flee from you!
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You have two choices my friend....

Revelation 13
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
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Thats right my friend keep repeating the same thing.

I will repeat this to you are you reading the thread? Are you asking him if i am speaking the truth?


Does Jesus advocate violence? No. Does He advocate self defense? Yes.

The Christian pacifist will likely object even still because Christ rebuked Peter who used a sword to cut off the ear of Malchus, a servant of the high priest in the company of a detachment of troops. But look at it in the context of what happened. Jesus told Peter in Matthew 26:52-54:
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the Scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

It was not the first time that Christ had to explain to the disciples why He had come to earth. To fulfill the Scriptures the Son of God had to redeem mankind from sin and the penalty of death (also see John 18:10-11). Even yet many use the phrase "those who live by the sword die by the sword" as a battlecry to not defend themselves. This phrase isn't even found in John's account of the same passage and it has nothing to do with a proclamation against self-defense or it would be contradicting all the other numerous passages in the Bible where Yahweh says to arm and protect yourselves.

While Christ told Peter to "put your sword in its place" He clearly did not say get rid of it or throw it out. That would have contradicted what he told the disciples only hours earlier. Peter's sword was to protect his own life from danger. His sword was not needed to protect the King of kings. Jesus was going to lay down His life for mankind and the disciples never understood it until after He arose from the grave.




you have two choices,

GET SOMETHING DONE FOR HIM.


OR GO BACK AND SING.
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Truth be told Christians already know our fate. And my heart tells me this...resist non-violently as much as you can, help open the eyes of others, but neither your death nor the death of someone else will prevent what is about to happen. As a good Christian you can not just sit back and let it happen though.
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And by resisting, we put ourselves out there...thus we will be the first to be taken. Just as it was written long ago.
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(If we're actually following Christ, we should already be "dying" anyhow, yes?)
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To NOT defend yourself, is another form of suicide.....and God wouldn't want that!

 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


You should of left it as that.
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To NOT defend yourself, is another form of suicide.....and God wouldn't want that!



You should of left it as that.
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Well in this day and age, to think that you could go up against evil, with guns a blazing IS nothing short of suicide!

They have bigger and better weapons.....I can assure you of that!!! :(

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Truth be told Christians already know our fate. And my heart tells me this...resist non-violently as much as you can, help open the eyes of others, but neither your death nor the death of someone else will prevent what is about to happen. As a good Christian you can not just sit back and let it happen though.
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WHAT THE HELL THEN!? THAT PRESENTS US WITH A PARADOX!
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Well in this day and age, to think that you could go up against evil, with guns a blazing IS nothing short of suicide!

They have bigger and better weapons.....I can assure you of that!!! :(
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Yes your right they do have bigger guns. But if they were not threatened by our right to bear arms they would not be trying to disarm us!!
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Truth be told Christians already know our fate. And my heart tells me this...resist non-violently as much as you can, help open the eyes of others, but neither your death nor the death of someone else will prevent what is about to happen. As a good Christian you can not just sit back and let it happen though.


WHAT THE HELL THEN!? THAT PRESENTS US WITH A PARADOX!
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Well in this day and age, to think that you could go up against evil, with guns a blazing IS nothing short of suicide!

They have bigger and better weapons.....I can assure you of that!!! :(


Yes your right they do have bigger guns. But if they were not threatened by our right to bear arms they would not be trying to disarm us!!
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It's your freedoms that they are threatened by.......not your guns! IMHO
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Greetings;

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;"

Amen

Regards

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You have two choices my friend....

Revelation 13
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
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You are so deceived!!

You will be tested when martial law happens.

Will you fight back? or will you go like animals to the slaughter house?

God is going to let his people be taken to the camps because you people are not getting nothing done for him!

You wont defend yourself because you think you cant and you wont stoke up on supplies for you and your family because you think u will be raptured away.


You will have to die to show your faith. His people are being tested all the time. but the church dumb just sit at home doing nothing.
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Why then did ALL the apostles, those closest to Jesus, die without resisting?

Why did Stephen allow himself to be stoned? Why did the other Apostles and followers not defend him?

Why is it said the they are killed all the day long?

Why are they known as sheep led to the slaughter?

Should Christians be as the whole world, to kill, and be no different?

You can speak all you want and try to lead astray but those that do know Jesus, know.

It is written...
If another come in his own name him you will receive.

It is written...
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

Go, and learn what those mean.
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It's your freedoms that they are threatened by.......not your guns! IMHO
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they are threatened by are freedom and our guns!





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