The Possible Dangers of the Hebrew Christian Movements - Law/Works Vs. Gospel/Grace (Very Important Message )

OPIE (Drunk Man):


YOU HAVE BEEN OWNED.

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"I suspect you do still consider us dangerous. And, that you are not as honest as you seem to try to project."


GodDRUNK is a very intellectually dishonest individual. Whenever he demands proof, he then steps over it and completely ignores it, when he receives it on a silver platter. He completely ignored a veritable MOUNTAIN of biblical proof, on one occasion after another.

He is nothing but a lazy Cut n' Paste "Christian". He isn't even off the milk yet, let alone ready for meat.

He is the very type who will be turning in and betraying those who DO keep God's commandments, including the Sabbath, when the time comes.

The disciples came to Him privately and asked Him what would be the signs of His coming, and of the end of the age in Matthew 24. In Matthew 24:20, Jesus said:


"Pray that your flight not be in the winter, or on the Sabbath day."


Jesus was referring to WAYYY into the future after He died, rose again, and then ascended into heaven.





John (who wrote Revelation) was in the Spirit "on the Lord's day", which is NOT the 1st day of the week, but is (and always HAS been) the Sabbath. The same day referred to here in Isaiah 58:13:

"If you turn away your foot from the sabbath, from doing your pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD"

John went on to write who God's people were several more times in Revelation... "Those who keep the commandments of God."





Read Isaiah 56 to see God's references to "Salvation for the gentiles", which INCLUDES commandment and Sabbath observance!


King James Version: Isaiah Chapter 56

1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.


2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.


3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.


4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;


5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.


6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;


7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.


8 The Lord GOD, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.


9 All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest.


10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.


11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.


12 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.

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"Jewish people, during the diaspora, congregated during the sabbath days, it became a tradition to do this. When they came back to Israel the city dwellers kept this tradition"


And on the New Earth, we will gather together in the New Jerusalem from Sabbath to Sabbath, as indicated in Isaiah 66.

People will live all over the earth, but will always gather back in the city of God, on the Sabbath.

You simpleton christurds haven't noticed that your make believe god fugger has NEVER appeared in PUBLIC, except as a CHARACTER in a 6,000 year old story book.

It's a 6,000 year old no show, empty, nothingness.

Donald Duck may appear and save humanity, but
your turdly dump god fugger will never appear.

It doesn't exist.

Your bible's fictional god character is just a powerless evil steaming dump pile.

This means that your entire chrsiturd cult religion is just smelly garbage.

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Goddrunk, I rarely agree with you. Bravo.

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

People act like saying the Old Covenant is gone...is like a bad thing. Why? It was never meant to be permanent. Moses and the prophets knew Jesus would come.

Acts 3:22-24
Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you.
And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.
And all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those who came after him, also proclaimed these days.

But just as Christians know that we are free from the Law and are not bound by it, do we then become hypocrites for chastizing the Jews for keeping Sabbaths and feast days. If it's not wrong for us to Not do these things, then it's not wrong for Jews TO do it....right?

Agreed.

Quote from OPIE:


"Jesus kept the Sabbath because He was under the Mosaic Law and was obligated to do so. Now show one verse where Christians are commanded to keep the Sabbath. Again, you will not find one single verse."


Why do you continue ignoring the Sabbath verses that Jesus gave?

Yes, I remember Homemommy making a fool of herself on many occasion on GLP. Very uneducated, and ignorant.

We'll just add this one tothe list.

Truly, the blind being led by the blind.

We ought to obey God, rather than man.


Home Mommy ought to get out of the home a little more often, and do some honest study.

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"Agreed."


Agreement with misapplication, misinterpretation, and error, does not make it correct.

Which ones would that be?

Then why persist?

Ya see? The Sabbath was made for MAN, not for the "Jew".

The Sabbath is for EVERYBODY, as demonstrated eloquently by Isaiah 56.

If you take hold of God, then you take hold of his WORD, which says that all who believe and OBEY are SPIRITUAL ISRAEL.



Jesus was only saying, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" to the Pharisee's because THEY had turned it around, and made the Sabbath BURDENSOME with all of their Talmudic customs, rules and regulations that they had ADDED to the Sabbath.

They accused Jesus of "breaking" the commandment, for merely gathering a meal, or healing someone on the Sabbath.

THAT is what prompted Jesus to say that. Jesus was by NO MEANS 'breaking" or "eliminting" the Sabbath.

Seriously. Give it up. You haven't convinced me, nor will you ever. I've already looked enough into it myself. The truth is the truth.

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"Which ones would that be?"


You continue to ignore them when they are provided, so it is only logical that you are an INTENTIONAL deceiver. You have a reprobate, unrepentant mind, and that is why you have a determined rebellious attitude against the clear instruction of Jesus.


This was custom made for you:

"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." 2nd timothy 3;13



You are a liar, plain and simple. You always STEP OVER the posts that you cannot refute.

I have no compunction against calling you evil, whatsoever.

The debate is over, for you.

But these words of Torah have touched many others who do love God with all their heart, mind and being and will put aside manmade doctrine for the pure Word of God.

I thank Him Who changes not for making this thread a place for the real truth to be presented...those who will hear now have heard.

...the winnowing continues.

You are an apostate. You can't see the truth even when it is staring you right in the face, in black and white.

You are a ghoul. Your name and avatar say it all.


You are evil.

Why is it only Paul you can quote? The Commandments nor the Sabbath were not done away with. The first 4 are how to honor God and the rest how to honor man.
Yeshua didn't come to do away with the law, but to magnify it and show a perfect example of keeping the law. We are to conform to his image not Paul's.

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"You're right. The Sabbath was not "done away with." But the Bible makes it clear that we are not obligated to keep it."






If it was NOT done away with, then it is STILL a COMMANDMENT OF GOD. It is to be KEPT with the other 9 commandments.

You Babylonian "Christians make ZERO sense whatsoever.

You have a choice between God and your job, family, friendships, etc...



You have made your choice.

Isn't it funny that the 4th commandment is the only commandment that has REMEMBR in front of it. He knew most Christians would forget how important it is.

Blessed is the man who does this, the man who holds it fast; who KEEPS THE SHABBATH without defiling it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil. LET NO FOREIGNER who has bound himself to Yahuah say, ‘Yahuah will surely exclude me from His people’. And let not any eunuch complain, ‘I am only a dry tree’. For this is what Yahuah says: “To the eunuchs who keep My Shabbaths, who choose what pleases Me and hold fast to my Covenant ~ to them I will give within My Temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off. And FOREIGNERS who bind themselves to Yahuah to serve Him, to love the Name of Yahuah and to worship Him, ALL WHO KEEP THE SHABBATH without defiling it and who hold fast to My Covenant, these I will bring to My qodesh mountain and give them joy in My house of prayer . . . . For My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.’” Yesha Yahu 56:2-7

Jesus didn't say that.

Well, yeah. The debate is over, sort of. I know I'm in Christ, and was saved from the curse of the law.

That's great and all. Now show me where in the New Testament we are required to keep the Sabbath.

GodDRUNK says:


"You just proved my point. The Church is not Israel."



The Bible says:

"And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and on the Israel of God." Galatians 6:16




GodDRUNK is proven to be a liar, time, and time again.

Yeah, because the 4th commandment is so much more important than the 1st. Everyone knows that.

GodDRUNK says:

"Well, yeah. The debate is over, sort of. I know I'm in Christ, and was saved from the curse of the law"



The Bible says:

"And hereby we do KNOW that we KNOW him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I KNOW him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 1st John 2:3-4



Jesus says:

"I never KNEW you. Depart from me, you workers of LAWLESSNESS. Matthew 7:23



The Bible says:

"For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." Hebrews 10:26-27








GodDRUNK is a liar, and the truth is not in him.