The Possible Dangers of the Hebrew Christian Movements - Law/Works Vs. Gospel/Grace (Very Important Message )

Of course not. The problem is only with those who claim we must keep the Sabbath, keep the Jewish Festivals, get circumcised, etc.

I would seriously think that the problems that face mankind lay more in violent crime and overall moral decline. Splitting hairs over such theological points does not feed a single hungry soul nor change the course of a single bitter heart.

To me your argument is one of not seeing the forest for the trees, but I am admittedly not a religious minded person and so maybe I just do not understand.

Carry on...

So what your saying is that your problem is with the Messiah because he is the one who commanded his followers to DO AND TEACH THE LEAST of the Torah? He is also the one that said "Depart from me you who are without Torah"

Paul the Apostle calls the Anti-Messiah the TORAHLESS one.

I think the truth here "Goddrunk" is you reject the teachings of the Messiah, and prefer the religious feel good teachings of the church and the internet, and you are actually a follower of the Torahless one.

I probably didn't make myself clear. I apologize about that. I do not believe the master plan of Satan involves whether we keep the Sabbath or not, but I do believe it does involve whether we obey God or not; and the 9 "moral" commandments found in the Bible do in fact teach us whether men are a part of God or not. If men are not a part of God, they are considered "unregenerated" and require a fresh start, which is what we call being "Born Again." Once a person is born of the Holy Spirit, by claiming Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and repenting of all of their sinful ways, then they become a new person in Christ, in thought, deed, speech, and action; although it does take time in order to more perfectly shape the person to be more Christ-like. The world will be better when men recognize the sovereignty of God and His Christ, and commit themselves to Him. This will not happen yet. Prophecy must first come to pass and men must become worse and worse, but then Christ will come.

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OP, you are being deliberately deceptive. "We" didnt' claim that the Sabbath must be kept. The God and Father of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ commanded that it must be kept.

The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is a jew and the Sabbath is a jewish festival, so, your claim to be a follower of Him is suspect.

You, op, on this thread, were given the Scripture in the Apostle Pual's Letter to the Coribthians which clearly stated that "circumcission is nothing but (on the other hand) the Commandments of God (is everything), yet, you persist in your folly.

Who said I don't think we must obey God's commandments? The question is, what are the commandments, and do they encompass Sabbath keeping? I don't think so. No New Testament verse says otherwise.

Yahshua said so himself in Matthew 5...

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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Before I answer your first question, please allow me to point out to you that,Your attempt to villainize the "old testament" is futile.

At the times when the Lord Jesus qouted something, He always stated "havent' you read?", "you err not knowing the Scriptures", "well has Isaiah prophesied", ect.. The "new testament" refers to the "old testament" as Words "spoken by the mouth of His (God) Holy prophets ".

In light of all of the above, why do you and those like you eagerly try to put distinction between the "old" and the "new testament"? you and those like you even have the audacity to try and make void the "old testament".

Now to answer your first question: You have op. By your insisting that the the 4th Commandment, of the God and Father of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, isnt' required to be obeyed, you are saying "I don't think we must obey God's commandments".
Futhermore, seeing that you self proclaimed that you dont' know what are the Commandments of God, You have no authority to teach anyone not to obey any of them.

Using the Law Lawfully

Yes, Jesus even said he came to fulfill the Law.

Now we have Grace through Him