The Possible Dangers of the Hebrew Christian Movements - Law/Works Vs. Gospel/Grace (Very Important Message )

there are gonna be a bunch of people who think they are a shoe-in that wont get in and some who dont think they will but get in. there is no group you have to belong to or magic spell you have to say or special ceremony to go through. its just baptism(and what that means) and repentance. thats all jesus preached was repentance.

btw, you dont have to be "in christ" to be saved.

Any Christian who uses the OT has missed the whole point. The Jews were a BLOOD SACRIFICE CULT (some still are).

Anyway...... For a better understanding of who is manipulating your naive Christian minds and to what end:

British Israel: The Hidden Hand Behind the
'The Kingdom of God on Earth' Deception

British Israel Uses Christian Fundamentalist Evangelicals to Promote the "Kingdom of God on Earth' Scheme to Deliver Up A One World Society-Both Feudal and Fascist

[link to educate-yourself.org]

Go ahead. Keep advancing the Rothschild Satanic agenda with your "Christian" Zionism.

i like your style if nothing else.

Mark 10:19-21 (King James Version)

19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

20And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

21Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

keeping the law or breaking the law doesnt mean a thing. only lawbreakers need laws and those who are not lawbreakers cant break the law no matter what they do. didnt the holy spirit tell you that?

Me too !!

The OP told everyone he was a liar from the start of this thread !!

there is a slight difference between lying and being deceived. however, once one takes the step of informing others, therein lies real responsibility.

i dont like christians. they worship a false god. youre not my enemy and not my brother, so why again should i pray for you?

churchens love the darkness behind their facade. that way they can have their cake and eat it too.

original sin: "because you listened (to someone other than god)."

i KNOW christianity. i was raised in the midwest, for heavens sake. it is just another religion. the bible on the other hand... well, its the truth, when properly understood. i havent been able to find a break in it.

See the following clarification. :eyes:

HC 1: 196–201. Preceding his record of this revelation, the Prophet writes descriptively of the land of Zion wherein the people were then assembled. The land was consecrated, as the Lord had directed, and the site for the future temple was dedicated. The Lord makes these commandments especially applicable to the saints in Zion.
1–4, The faithful saints in Zion shall be blessed; 5–8, They are to love and serve the Lord and keep his commandments; 9–19, By keeping the Lord’s day holy, the saints are blessed temporally and spiritually; 20–24, The righteous are promised peace in this world and eternal life in the world to come.
  1 BEHOLD, blessed, saith the Lord, are they who have come up unto this land with an aeye single to my glory, according to my commandments.
  2 For those that live shall ainherit the earth, and those that bdie shall rest from all their labors, and their works shall follow them; and they shall receive a ccrown in the dmansions of my Father, which I have prepared for them.
  3 Yea, blessed are they whose feet stand upon the land of Zion, who have obeyed my gospel; for they shall receive for their reward the good things of the earth, and it shall bring forth in its astrength.
  4 And they shall also be crowned with blessings from above, yea, and with acommandments not a few, and with brevelations in their time—they that are cfaithful and ddiligent before me.
  5 Wherefore, I give unto them a commandment, saying thus: Thou shalt alove the Lord thy God with all thy bheart, with all thy might, mind, and strength; and in the name of Jesus Christ thou shalt cserve him.
  6 Thou shalt alove thy bneighbor as thyself. Thou shalt not csteal; neither commit dadultery, nor ekill, nor do anything flike unto it.
  7 Thou shalt athank the Lord thy God in all things.
  8 Thou shalt offer a asacrifice unto the Lord thy God in brighteousness, even that of a broken heart and a ccontrite spirit.
  9 And that thou mayest more fully keep thyself aunspotted from the world, thou shalt go to the house of bprayer and offer up thy csacraments upon my dholy day;
  10 For verily this is a aday appointed unto you to rest from your labors, and to pay thy devotions unto the Most High;
  11 Nevertheless thy avows shall be offered up in righteousness on all days and at all times;
  12 But remember that on this, the aLord’s day, thou shalt offer thine boblations and thy sacraments unto the Most High, cconfessing thy sins unto thy brethren, and before the Lord.
  13 And on this day thou shalt do none other thing, only let thy food be prepared with singleness of heart that thy afasting may be perfect, or, in other words, that thy joy may be full.
  14 Verily, this is fasting and prayer, or in other words, rejoicing and prayer.
  15 And inasmuch as ye do these things with thanksgiving, with cheerful hearts and countenances, not with dmuch elaughter, for this is sin, but with a glad heart and a cheerful countenance—
  16 Verily I say, that inasmuch as ye do this, the afulness of the earth is yours, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which climbeth upon the trees and walketh upon the earth;
  17 Yea, and the herb, and the good things which come of the earth, whether for food or for braiment, or for houses, or for barns, or for orchards, or for gardens, or for vineyards;
  18 Yea, all things which come of the earth, in the season thereof, are made for the abenefit and the buse of man, both to please the eye and to gladden the heart;
  19 Yea, for afood and for raiment, for taste and for smell, to strengthen the body and to enliven the soul.
  20 And it pleaseth God that he hath given all these things unto man; for unto this end were they made to be used, with judgment, not to aexcess, neither by extortion.
  21 And in nothing doth man aoffend God, or against none is his bwrath ckindled, save those who dconfess not his hand in all things, and eobey not his commandments.
  22 Behold, this is according to the law and the prophets; wherefore, trouble me no more concerning this matter.
  23 But learn that he who doeth the works of arighteousness shall receive his breward, even cpeace in this world, and deternal life in the world to come.
  24 I, the Lord, have spoken it, and the Spirit beareth record. Amen.
The Official Scriptures of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

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This particular thread begins with the statement every man is a liar....

deception is an entire different matter....

we can deceive with the truth....

I have yet to disagree with you....

I find your words very wise....

Gandhi....

RB = Cursed be the man that trusteth in man.
Thread: Clear concrete proof that 'GOD' of Bible/Koran/Talmud is false. (Page 3)

An excerpt = in the interest of brevity. :pingu2:
( Written by a former minister ) 

TRUST IN THE LORD

A common objection raised against those who belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is that we follow the teachings of the President of the Church thereby violating the words of the Bible which states, "Thus saith the LORD; 

Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD" (Jeremiah 17:5). 

The reason for this objection stems from three fundamental doctrines upon which nearly all Christian churches have built their religious faith. The first is that God has ceased giving us revelation through the use of prophets as He once did anciently. This leads to the second belief that the Bible is the final and complete word of God to man. As such, there cannot be any more added to what God has already caused to be written. And this had lead to the third belief that the Bible is to be our sole source of authority on religious matters.

. . .

Whether a church is very large or extremely small, nearly every Christian denomination has someone who does the preaching to their congregation. This person is referred to as a minister, pastor, reverend, preacher, priest, or some other similar title. In the vast majority of cases, these individuals have been trained for the ministry. That is, they have gone through some sort of formal theological instruction where they have been prepared to understand what is contained in the Bible. 

Their schooling involves an in-depth study of the doctrines of their faith and a thorough analysis of the entire Bible and how it relates to and verifies their stated beliefs. They also are educated in the background of the Bible, which would include the geography, language, culture, customs and history of the people, places, and events found in the Bible. And, in many cases, even after they've graduated from seminary training, most pastors continue to increase their skills and knowledge of the Bible by taking additional education courses, as well as attending seminars, conferences, and retreats that are offered for the purpose of helping them increase their understanding of what the Bible teaches. In fact, a person can pursue their educational training to the point where they can obtain a Ph.D. in religion. Some go on to specialize in various aspects of religion, becoming a Professor of such subjects as Hebrew or Semitic languages, ancient religious history, or comparative religion, to name just a few.

Armed with this knowledge, the pastor goes forth equipped and prepared to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to others. Their job not only is to bring souls to Christ by helping them understand how to gain salvation, but, more importantly, to teach both the newly converted as well as the long-time faithful how to grow in their Christian life. Each Sunday (or other day of worship) they stand before their congregation and preach a sermon that's intended to edify, educate, inspire, and improve the understanding of those in attendance on what God expects of them. And they do this by exhorting, expounding, explaining, and emphasizing the things found in the Bible.

For the most part, the members of a congregation have little or no formal biblical training, especially compared to that of their minister. Furthermore, they don't attend the seminars and conferences which their pastor is invited to. Therefore, they come to church for the specific purpose of being taught what the Bible says, in the same way a student comes to class to learn from a teacher. As such, it is the pastor whom the members of the congregation look to for their guidance and instruction in what the Bible teaches. He is the knowledgeable person they go to for answers concerning God's word. He is the one whom they rely upon to help them understand God's word. As such, it is his words they depend on for their understanding of what the Bible teaches concerning how to receive salvation and how to continue in their daily walk with Christ.

But this is no different than what the pastor himself has gone through. At one time, he too was brought to Christ by the preaching of a minister. As a student in seminary class, he was taught by men what the Bible teaches. As such, both the pastor and the members of his congregation have depended on the words of man to tell them what God's word wants them to know. Thus, all Christians, whether they wish to acknowledge it or not, depend on man, not God for their understanding of what the Bible teaches. Yet, not one of these instructors of religion even claims to be teaching by divine inspiration, because, according to their own stated beliefs, God no longer speaks to man in that manner.

However, instead of admitting that they're relying on the words of man to understand God's word, nearly all Christians claim their beliefs are based solely on what is found in the Bible. Therefore, they say that their minister is not preaching their own doctrine but rather is simply explaining what God has already revealed in His written word. Yet, if this were truly the case, then there would be no differences of opinion concerning biblical teachings. That means, it shouldn't matter whether someone goes to a Lutheran church, and Episcopal church, a Baptist Church, a Seventh-day Adventist church, or a Catholic Church because they would all be teaching the same doctrines. However, we know that is not the case. The very reason why there are different denominations is because of disagreements between people on what the Bibles says. (for a more in-depth study of these differences see my article entitled "The Authority of God" )

Those who belong to the Lutheran faith base their doctrines on the teachings of the man, Martin Luther, a 16th century reformist. Thus, to be a Lutheran means that a person subscribes to or agrees with the biblical doctrines taught by Martin Luther. Since he is the founder of this religion, it is his ideas of what the Bible says that is taught in this church. He is the one that all other Lutheran ministers rely upon for their understanding of God's word. Accordingly, they interpret all verses of scripture in conformance to the teachings of the man Martin Luther.

Inspired by Martin Luther, John Calvin took up the torch of reforming the church. However, he took exception with Luther on several fundamental points of doctrine, especially concerning the subject of salvation. Today, those who follow the teachings of John Calvin are known as Calvinists, and practice what they refer to as Reformed Theology. Since John Calvin was the father and founder of this religion, it is his words, in the form of writings and sermons, that form the foundation upon which this church understands all biblical verses. As with the Lutheran faith, to be a member of this church means that a person must subscribe to and agree with the viewpoint which the man John Calvin taught.

Although there are many similarities between these two oldest Protestant denominations, there are also some very significant differences. Yet, both religious faiths make the claim that they are not teaching the doctrines of men but are only teaching what God Himself has written in the Bible. Nevertheless, having made that claim, neither one can completely agree with the other on what the Bible actually teaches.

Following in the footsteps of these two men came the establishment of other Protestant churches, such as the Methodists, Episcopalians, Mennonites, Quakers, etc. And with each new denomination, we see even more doctrinal differences of ideas, each one championed by a prominent preacher. So persuasive were these ministers that they developed a following of believers who accepted their word as being the only correct understanding of what the Bible taught.

Today we find this same situation existing among all denominations. A person regularly attends a particular faith mainly because they agree with the teachings of that church. But, if there comes a time when an individual no longer can accept the doctrinal position of that church, they will switch to a different religious organization with whose teachings they can agree. As such, they are not actually following what is in the Bible, but rather are being persuaded or dissuaded by the ideas, interpretations, and reasoning which men, known as ministers, pastors, or preachers, are teaching. Therefore, in reality, nearly all Christians follow the words of men, not God.

It might be argued by some that this is not an accurate statement because people can read the Bible for themselves to determine whether or not a particular pastor or church is following what the Bible itself teaches. And if they conclude that the church they are attending is straying from the teachings of the Bible, then they will move their membership to a church that does teach biblical truth. However, there is a glaring error with this argument because both the pastor and the disagreeing member each think they have the correct understanding of God's word. It could be said that since the pastor has received theological training in the Bible, while the congregational member hasn't, it is the pastor who has the greater insight into God's word.. Yet, on the other hand, it can be argued that the Bible is sufficiently clear in its message that a person doesn't need training in the ministry to understand God's message of salvation. But, if that is the case, then it would seem there shouldn't be any doctrinal disagreements among people, especially among serious students of the Bible.

Furthermore, what such an argument implies is that the responsibility for determining what the Bible teaches is left up to each individual. But, if that were truly the case, then we wouldn't need anyone to treach us what the Bible says. All we would need to do is read the Bible for ourselves. However, under such a condition each person would become their own final authority in judging what is the correct teachings of the Bible, based upon their own level of knowledge. In such a case, each person would then be putting their trust in themselves to know what they should believe rather than relying on what someone else tells them. And, indeed, it is because of this very situation that has led to there being literally tens of thousands of different Christian denominations in the world today.

Yet, surprising as it may seem, this is the exact opposite of what the Bible teaches. The apostle Paul talked about the dangers of people relying on their own personal ideas and leading others astray from the truth. He warned that people could easily be swayed "to and fro by every wind of doctrine" that came along (Eph. 4:14). He continually admonished the Christian saints to be of one mind and to come to a unity of the faith (Romans 12:16; 2 Cor. 13:11; Eph. 4:13; Phil. 1:27). He expressly wrote that they were to listen to his words and to reject anyone who taught a doctrine different than what he had delivered unto them (Galatians 1:8). It was "the apostles' doctrine" which the earliest Christians followed, not their own ideas (Acts 2:42).

However, when members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints follow the "the apostles' doctrines" as taught by modern-day, living apostles and prophets, who claim to be just as inspired as their ancient counterparts, many in the Christian community complain that we are putting our trust in man, rather than in God, while claiming they are following God rather than trusting in man.

Perhaps we can illustrate this by way of an example. Let's say that a master carpenter wrote a book explaining how to create ... - [link to www.14lds.com]

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Thank you.

That is true. Because we are in Christ, we are in abundant grace. But we must pick up our cross, and follow Him who was made a curse for us upon the cross of Calvary.

You don't have to pray for me, but if you cared enough for me you would.

And how do you deal with the outpouring of Pneuma Hagion on the day of Pentecost (Shavuot) and all throughout the rest of the Epistles? How do you account for the fact that speaking in tongues was and IS the SIGN OF THOSE THAT HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF YAHSHUA, ever since the Book of Acts?

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OP, because "we are in Christ", does this mean that "we" can now kill, steal, commit adutery, tell lies on others, worship statues, dishonour parents, covet the things of others, take the name of God in vain, forget the 7th day Sabbath, have other gods?

Whatever...

suck my tits, you Burqa wearing fool, OP.

I was speaking in tongues when I said that, so don't take offense or you will be blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Paul - Sha’uwl was a false prophet, liar and an egomaniac.

following link is a whole free book on the subject... not an easy read. very in-depth study of the man and his words.

[link to questioningpaul.com]

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You are a slanderer! Scram!!!!!

"For, whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech."

First Peter 3:10


"With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water."

James 3:9-12


Why is it a sin to cuss / swear / curse? Sin is a condition of the heart, the mind, and “the inner man” (Romans 7:22), which is manifested in our thoughts, actions and words. When we swear and curse, we are giving evidence of the polluting sin in our hearts that must be confessed and repented of. Thankfully, our great God is “faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). When this happens, we receive a new nature from God (2 Corinthians 5:17), our hearts are transformed, and our speech reflects the new nature God has created within us.

The Op's avatar says it all. he is a Shill.

Another ignorant freaking Moron that thinks the Bible was written in English.

Some dumb blind idiot who thinks the KJV is infallible, never even wondering if their is translation bias in Shaul's letters.

You fool. You reject the very teachings of the Messiah in favor of your lawless Satanic bull crap. You prove by quoting Paul over Messiah that you are not even a follower of the Messiah.

The Satanic church teaches the exact same thing you do!

You are too stupid and ignorant too ever wonder why mainstream christianity teaches "pray a prayer and punch your ticket to heaven", while at the same time attacking anyone who actually obeys the Elohim they say they worship or the Messiah. It is just "Once saved always saved unless you actually obey God, then you go to hell".

You morons worship Satan and never even think otherwise.

You never wonder why you are taught a FALSE NAME.

You never wonder why you celebrate "Easter" the babylonian sex and fertility goddess's birthday.

You never wonder why you celebrate Tammuz's birthday who shares the same birthdate with every sun god on this planet, which is December 25th.

These same preachers that tell you if you that if you keep the Feast of the Creator you are a legalist and "Going to hell", are the same preachers which have you keeping Satanic holidays, and say it is ok as long as you wear your favorite Jesus t-Shirt.

You do not speak one word of Greek or Hebrew, you just copy and paste the same BS every "KJV" only website has on the net. You are utterly ignorant of church history, the history of the Bible, and too lazy to even grab a Concordance to even bother to check the verses you use.

If you were not such a lazy, blind religious fool, you could spend 1 hour and find out Paul has incredible translation bias in his letters.

You are a Fool. You would cross a continent and make someone doubly the son of hell that you are.

You are a brain dead religious person who has no idea WHY they believe what they believe.

You never stop to think and wonder why Paul called the Anti-Messiah the TORAHLESS ONE.

You never stop to think why in Revelations the "Judiazers and Legalist" are the ones given the right to eat of the tree of life.

You never stop to think that Satan makes war with THOSE WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS.

YOU NEVER STOP TO THINK THE WORD CHURCH NEVER OCCURS IN THE BIBLE, IT WAS ADDED AND THE GREEK WORD IT COMES FROM MEANS "CIRCE" THE GREEK GODDESS WHO WOULD HAVE MEN DRINK OF HER CUP OF ABOMINATIONS AND TURN THEM INTO SWINE.

You never take the time too see that when Paul says "let all meats be received with thanksgiving" that the greek word used is BROMA, WHICH MEANS CLEAN ACCORDING TO THE TORAH OF MOSES!

YOU PROVE YOURSELF TO BE UTTERLY INSINCERE AS YOU NEVER ONCE QUOTE THE DOZENS OF TIME THAT PAUL UPHOLDS THE LAW! WHY NO ROMANS 3:31?

DO WE MAKE VOID THE LAW BECAUSE OF FAITH? GOD FORBID! WE ESTABLISH THE LAW!

You never stop to think that John the disciple of the Messiah wrote that people who do not keep the Torah are LIARS AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN THEM!

You never stop to think that SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE TORAH 1 JOHN 3:31

YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED PETERS WARNING IN 2 PETER CHAPTER 3 THAT IF YOU TAKE ONE WORD OF PAUL'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND LETTERS AS A EXCUSE FOR LAWLESSNESS AKA NOT KEEPING THE TORAH, YOU DESTROY YOURSELF.

You never quote Paul saying "THE COMMANDMENTS ARE HOLY, JUST AND GOOD."

You never quote Paul saying "The doers of the Law will be justified and not the hearers"

You never quote Paul saying "WITH THE SPIRIT I SERVE THE LAW"

YOU NEVER QUOTE MESSIAH WHEN HE COMMANDS HIS FOLLOWERS TO DO AND TEACH THE LEAST OF THE TORAH.

You are too lazy to grab a concordance and see that when your KJV says in Matthew Chapter 7 "Depart from me you workers of Iniquity", that the word used is ANOMIA which means WITHOUT TORAH.

You never consider the warning of Messiah when he takes you to judgment day, shows you a group of people on earth that call him "Lord" but refuse to obey him and do the will of his Father! This group does many works in his name, cast out demons in his name!

CHRISTIANITY IS THE ONLY GROUP ON EARTH THAT FITS THAT BILL.

YOU IGNORE THE VERY TEACHING OF THE MESSIAH THAT WARNS YOU WILL BE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IF YOU EVEN GET THERE IF YOU TEACH ANYONE TO BREAK THE LEAST OF THE TORAH!

CONGRATS OPLEAST!

So many blind religious fools, who are utterly ignorant of what they believe.

JUST KEEP LIVING IN RELIGIOUS FANTASY LAND NEVER ONCE QUESTIONING WHY CONSTANTINE THE HIGH PRIEST OF MITHRA THE SUN GOD, WHO WAS BORN ON DECEMBER 25TH EXECUTED PEOPLE FOR KEEPING THE FEAST AND SABBATHS!

NEVER ONCE WONDER WHY CONSTANTINE WORSHIPED THE DRUIDIC SUN GOD FROM HIS HOMELAND CALLED HESUS, GESUS, JESUS.

NEVER ONCE WONDER WHY THEY CHANGED YAHUSHUA OF NAZARETH TO JESUS!

Sheol is going to be so full of religious christians, who thought their entire lives they were the shepards sheep, but who hear on judgment day from Yahushua of Nazareth.....................................................​.............................................................​......"DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO ARE WITHOUT TORAH, I NEVER KNEW YOU!"

You are so far off on some of these things I really dont know where to start. Not being mean, just honest.

I am on my phone, so wont go into too much detail for now but consider this

The first Christians were Jews, and these bereans kept the sabbath. You say that God did not command the keeping of the Sabbath which is flat out wrong. He states clearly "Remember the Sabbath and to Keep it Holy. This is Commandment #4 of the 10 given to Moses. Christ stated very clearly "i have come NOT To ABOLISH the law, but to fulfill it. It is also written that the Lord loves those who obey his commands. The law was not nailed to the cross. Yeshua and our transgressions were nailed to the cross. Your reasoning is in err...

I will strengthen your case against the sneaky SDA.

A WARNING ABOUT SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISM
[link to www.wayoflife.org]
Ellen White Exposed
[link to ellenwhiteexposed.com]
Ex Adventist Outreach
[link to exadventist.com]
Truth or Fables: Exposing Seventh-day Adventist Fables
[link to truthorfables.com]
Seventh Day Adventist Cult
[link to jesus-is-savior.com]
SDA Apostasy
[link to www.sdaapostasy.org]

with all those resources you can effectively kill this cult. Well the cultist will probably not leave the cult because they are blind and want to stay that way, just like the preterist or historicist you have in here whining about futurism.
But you could always pray that God has mercy on these poor deluded souls that he opens their eyes.

Galatians was written for people like you, I suggest you read it.

This is the cute religious game idiotic religious people love to play.

They think because the 7th day adventist are a denomination/cult, that because they keep the Sabbath it some how abolishes the Sabbath............

BECAUSE THEY THINK YOU ARE STUPID. DO NOT BE STUPID

no joke. i would like christians if they acted like jesus.

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Bieng SDA is not the issue, obedience to the Ten Commandments of the God and Father of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is the matter at hand....again, SDAs did not ordain the Sabbath day Commandment.