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The Possible Dangers of the Hebrew Christian Movements - Law/Works Vs. Gospel/Grace (Very Important Message )

 
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... a Gentile Bride.

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... for the Messiah???

LOL, what a contradiction!!
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Because we are not. Please prove me wrong.

You say that everything has been fulfilled at the cross. Now that's weird. Because only the spring feasts had conveyed their true meaning up and until today. What remains pending is the conveying of the proper meaning of the fall feast days. Not happened yet, take it or leave it.

And here's the catch. The spring and fall feasts are special Sabbath days. For a group to alienate itself from the weekly 7th day, the Sabbath, which can be easily identified, can only mean one and only one thing- Such a group will be blissfully unaware and not be able to identify the fall dates of the feasts, when stuff will really happen.

So go ahead stick with sunday.
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Yyyyessss!
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Yyyyessss!
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Are you for or against the feast days of YHVH? Your enthusiastic answer is confusing me a little bit.
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... a Gentile Bride.



... for the Messiah???

LOL, what a contradiction!!
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How so?
"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."
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Yyyyessss!

Are you for or against the feast days of YHVH? Your enthusiastic answer is confusing me a little bit.
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I do agree with you! 100%
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... a Gentile Bride.



... for the Messiah???

LOL, what a contradiction!!


How so?
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The term "messiah" does come from the Old Testament!
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Yyyyessss!

Are you for or against the feast days of YHVH? Your enthusiastic answer is confusing me a little bit.


I do agree with you! 100%
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Baruch Atah YHVH! India and Slovenia!LOL! You guys are awesome!
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The term "messiah" does come from the Old Testament!
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My email is 1. [email protected]
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Yyyyessss!

Are you for or against the feast days of YHVH? Your enthusiastic answer is confusing me a little bit.


I do agree with you! 100%

Baruch Atah YHVH! India and Slovenia!LOL! You guys are awesome!
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We are two, I am from Slovakia, he/she is from Slovenia. LOL

Thanks for blessings. To you as well.
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Slovakia, Slovenia.
Thanks for blessings. To you as well.
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Sorry about the Slovakia/Slovenia thing. Was just too excited about knowing you guys being aware about this fake christian stuff. Shalom!
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... a Gentile Bride.



... for the Messiah???

LOL, what a contradiction!!


How so?


The term "messiah" does come from the Old Testament!
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How does that prove your point from a Biblical perspective?
"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."
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OP is not an AC. He's registered. As a ..drunk. But he is definitely a coward.
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... a Gentile Bride.



... for the Messiah???

LOL, what a contradiction!!


How so?


The term "messiah" does come from the Old Testament!


How does that prove your point from a Biblical perspective?
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hmmm, little applied logic needed here ... you cannot separate the two (OT and NT).

The "old" garbage is only the man-made in the law of Moses. The Word of God then and afterwards is living forever, as Jesus does.

God and His Word are eternal.
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Slovakia, Slovenia.
Thanks for blessings. To you as well.

Sorry about the Slovakia/Slovenia thing. Was just too excited about knowing you guys being aware about this fake christian stuff. Shalom!
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There are many of us. YHWH is revealing His Truth and the great delusion in these end times.

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... a Gentile Bride.



... for the Messiah???

LOL, what a contradiction!!


How so?


The term "messiah" does come from the Old Testament!


How does that prove your point from a Biblical perspective?



hmmm, little applied logic needed here ... you cannot separate the two (OT and NT).

The "old" garbage is only the man-made in the law of Moses. The Word of God then and afterwards is living forever, as Jesus does.

God and His Word are eternal.
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Prove your stance with scripture. I can prove mine with scripture.
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Psalms 89:34.
After that fuck you drunk!
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The very idea of a "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" (which are both mistranslation that hide the word COVENANT.........comes from Marcion.

Marcion was such a sick individual even the Roman Catholics ran him out. Sadly many if not most of his teachings are alive and well in Christianity today.

FYI Marcion only wanted his gospel and the books of Paul in the "New Testament".

The very idea that the Tanakh is the "Old Testament" came from Marcion who hated the Creator and decided "Jesus" was a new god to overthrow the "Old God" hence the term Testament to make the reader think "Will" which is something carried out after someone dies.

We get the same foolishness in the teachings "After Jesus died his "will" or testament, was a new religion"
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... a Gentile Bride.



... for the Messiah???

LOL, what a contradiction!!


How so?


The term "messiah" does come from the Old Testament!


How does that prove your point from a Biblical perspective?



hmmm, little applied logic needed here ... you cannot separate the two (OT and NT).

The "old" garbage is only the man-made in the law of Moses. The Word of God then and afterwards is living forever, as Jesus does.

God and His Word are eternal.


Prove your stance with scripture. I can prove mine with scripture.
 Quoting: Goddrunk



1. Any scriptural word is dead, only a try to express the divine in the man by human tools, the writing. There is no need to battle with quotations to the bitter end.


... if you want to receive eternal life, keep the commandments. Matthew 19:17, Luke 10:25



God and His Word are eternal.
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... my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it. Isaiah 55:11


His words stay valid till their fulfillment. Jesus did fulfill His words.

... this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:31-34

Did you?


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2. There is a contradicting in your statement: you cannot continue being a gentile and yet be a subject to Prophecies from the OT. In my terms it would be illogical.
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There is a contradicting in your statement: you cannot continue being a gentile and yet be a subject to Prophecies from the OT. In my terms it would be illogical.
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Right on pal. You're doing great! Drunk doesn't want to be a part of the coming OT paradise!
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The Church is not Israel.
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Christians are God's people after the Jews rejected the Messiah closing the 490 years of Daniel's 70 week probation period. God's people are called Israel (after Jacob), Jerusalem, a woman, a bride and many othr names.
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7th day folk have gone amuk on this site!

In the real world they are not much of a factor. Most thinking folk understand the concept of New and that Jesus Christ starts and finishes the work in your heart.

You become the new Temple of God and that is core to the New work. The old was nothing but shadows of the New.

But this bunch on GLP act like a cult and cults are blinded in error. Until they want to walk in the light of the true Spirit of the Holy Ghost they will enjoy the tangles of darkness they hide in.

Not only will they enjoy it they will attempt to bring those weak in the word or those that walk with no word into a dark fold of bondage .
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It is the internet in general not just GLP where you will hear the truth. In the real world as you call it the pastor would throw anyone who questions his false doctrine out the front door. This does not mean the pastor is right or preaching the truth. They are the biblical false prophet who sides with the beast forming the image of the beast, Sunday Protestantism.
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If you think Paul is not a liar, then I stick to Romans 14:5, Galatians 4:9-11, and Colossians 2:16-17. If you think Paul is a liar, then I guess we are done here.
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You really only lie to yourself. They don't support you position. Nowhere was the Sabbath done away with.



Law "nailed to the cross" refers to the OT Mosaic cerimonial ordinances of the Jews.

Colossians 2:14-17 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The meat and drink of the cerimonial offerings ( Ez.45:17 ) and high sabbaths that pointed as a schoolmaster toward a coming Messiah, the final sacrifice.
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Actually let us go back and look at the Greek for this passage also, because this is one of the MOST DEVIOUS MISTRANSLATIONS IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE!
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The KJV is the true translation.
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Let me clear up another misnomer and false translation inserted into your English Bibles.

The word "Church".

Church does not occur on any Greek text on the planet.

The word used is Ekklesia. This is the same Greek word that was used from Genesis to Revelations which means "Called out Assembly"

It has always been the called out MIXED MULTITUDE, BOTH GENTILE AND HEBREW WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.

Folks if a person kept the Creator's commandments in the pre-Messiah days THERE WAS NO JEW OR GREEK THEN EITHER, THERE WAS ONE LAW FOR ONE EKKLESIA.

To sum this up even better, Abraham was the first Hebrew. He was a GENTILE, who left his pagan sun god worship behind, because he had "Faith" in the Creator, he OBEYED the Creator and left his land. When he crossed over the river and was Mikvah'ed he became the first Hebrew.

As a Gentile when you get "Saved", which I do not even like using this word because of the western christian connotation of it, you are Mikvah'ed (Immersed) you leave your pagan sun god worship behind and begin to keep the Commandments and OBEY THE MESSIAH. This grafts you in as a adopted son of Abraham. You become a Hebrew. You are grafted in to the called out Ekklesia of ISRAEL, which has one constitution, one set of rules for both Jew and Gentile. THE TORAH. If you decide to not live by the Torah, and decide to live by your "religion" and "Do what though wilt" you will be exiled from the Kingdom on Judgment day.

This is what the Messiah means when he states "Depart from me you who are without Torah! I NEVER KNEW YOU"

The word "Church" is PAGAN. The concept is PAGAN. It comes from the word CIRCE. Circe was the Greek goddess who would have men drink of the cup of her abominations and turn them into SWINE.

Being a swine in the spiritual sense was having a split hoof but refusing to chew the cud. AKA you know that the Creator exist, you know that Yahushua of Nazareth is the Messiah, but you refuse to obey them. You do not chew the cud.

Just as the Messiah taught if you do not bring forth good fruit, your tree is cut down and cast into the fire. THis should terrify christians. So how do we know we bring forth good fruit? Well just read Psalms 1. A person that meditates on the commandments aka chews the cud, is like a tree planted by the rivers of water that brings for good fruit in his own time.

Christians quite frankly do not realize everytime Messiah spoke he was speaking from the Torah and prophets and interpreting the Torah.

So let us go back to Circe. She is the goddess who has men drink of her cup who turns them into swine. This is where church comes from. Now let us go to revelations! Take a good gander at the woman that rides the beast that makes the nations drunk with the cup of her abominations! WHAT RELIGION GROUP ON THIS PLANET TEACHES LAWLESSNESS? (For the most part anyone I know not all christians do)

Christianity is CIRCE. It is the Woman that Rides the Beast. The Mother of Harlots is Constantine Christianity Rome, and her many daughters are the offspring protestant churches and even the non-denominational ones who teach in direct opposition to the Messiah that the law is abolished.

When the Creator says "Come out of Babylon, and be not partakers of Her sins" he is speaking of Babylonian sun god worship.

Nimrod the builder of the Tower of Babel who began the Babylonian sun god religious systems had a wife named Semiramus. Nimrod was worshiped as a god. He was worshiped as the SUN god. Nimrod was born on December 25th. Shem, Noah's son eventually put a end to Nimrod trying to end the Babylonian sun god worship and human Sacrifice. Nimrod's body was cut to pieces and taken all over his kingdom as a reminder to not participate in Babylonian sun god worship.

Semiramus, Nimrod's wife (and Mother) declared the Nimrod had risen into heaven and become the sun god. She later became pregnant and claimed she had been impregnated by "The rays of the sun".

She had a son nammed Tammuz. Tammuz was also born on December 25th. Tammuz sign was the CROSS. (remember earlier in this thread I told you the word cross never occurs in scriptures only Stauros or execution stake/ upright pole).

Tammuz was declared to be Nimrod in the Flesh. Both 100% god and 100% man! He was the reincarnated sun god Nimrod! Tammuz though died at the age of 40 in a freak boar hunting accident.

His mother then set aside 40 days of weeping for Tammuz, which culminated on Semiranus Sunday the day she was worshiped as the queen of Heaven and wife/mother of Nimrod and Tammuz. After 40 days of weeping for Tammuz, where each day Tammuz worshipers would deny one pleasure in this life for please in the next, on Semiranus Sunday, they would then eat the "Easter" Ham to celebrate killing the Boar who killed Tammuz who was born on December 25th.

Semiramus eventaully died, and the pagans tell the story that she then fell back from heaven in a egg shaped object (possible UFO or something), and out burst Semiramus, renamed Easter, the Bablyonian sex and fertility goddess who to prove her divinity changed a bird into a egg laying Rabbit!

These sick pagans

#1 Worshiped on Sunday (Nimrod was the SUN GOD that was when he was worshiped)
#2 Their symbol was the Cross (Just squint at the sun or moon and you will see a cross, that is how light defracts)
#3 They would bake hot cross buns to Easter
#4 Their high holy days were Easter Sunday and December 25th!
#5 These pagans taught the laws of the Creator were abolished, and the new law was Do what thou wilt, you are under the "rays" of Nimrod.
#6 This was the Trinity Nimrod, Tammuz, Queen of Heaven

Folks does this crap sound familiar?

When the languages were confused at the tower of Babel, Babylonian sun god worship stayed the same, but the names changed. THIS IS WHY A SIMPLE GOOGLE WILL REVEAL DOZENS OF FALSE GODS WHO WERE BORN ON DECEMBER 25TH. Semiramus became Easter, Columbia, Dianna, Ashteroth, Ashtarteh, etc etc.

Tammuz became Bacchus, Ra, Mithra, Dionysus, Zeus, Jupiter, etc etc.

Folks this is Babylonian sun god worship. This is what CIRCE is. THIS IS THE BABYLON YOU ARE COMMANDED TO COME OUT OF IF YOU ARE A TRUE WORSHIPER OF THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.

The Roman Church is pure babylonian sun god worship! it just has a Jesus T-shirt on. Protestants are reformed sun god worshipers.

THIS IS WHY THEY TEACH YOU THE FALSE NAME "JESUS", TEACH YOU JESUS WAS BORN ON DECEMBER 25TH, AND THAT HE AROSE ON EASTER SUNDAY WHEN ALL THE SUN GODS WOULD BE BORN AGAIN, AND THIS IS WHY THEY TEACH YOU THE TORAH IS ABOLISHED! THIS IS WHY THEY TEACH YOU IF YOU REALLY OBEY THE BIBLE IT IS LEGALISM AND BONDAGE. YOUR BIBLE TRANSLATIONS HAVE 1700 YEARS OF THIS DOGMA BEHIND IT IN BIASED TRANSLATIONS IN PAULS LETTERS!

The real Messiah was born on the first day of the Feast of Sukkot, which always occurs on your pagan calendars in September or October.

The real Messiah arose on the Shabbot.

The real Messiah upheld the Torah and commanded his followers to do the same.

The real Messiah, Kept the Feast, Sabbaths, New Moons, and lived by the Torah, his disciples were TORAH OBSERVANT HEBREWS WHO REJECTED MAN MADE RELIGION

The real Messiah's name is YAHUWSHUA OF NAZARETH, WHICH MEANS YAHUWAH IS OUR SALVATION. YAHUWAH IS THE TRUE NAME OF THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE. "THE LORD" MEANS BAAL IN HEBREW! BAAL IS THE CAINANITE SUN GOD!

Folks I am not saying this to attack your teachers, preachers or whatever, most of them ARE UTTERLY IGNORANT OF THE PAGANISM THEY HAVE INHERITED. MANY OF THEM TRULY LOVE GOD, BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE THEM CORRECT.

Messiah taught the way to Heaven was NARROW, and HARD, and that FEW will ever find it. Folks guess what the biggest religion on that planet is? CHRISTIANITY.

Friends the only thing "Christianity" has correct is that the man listed in the 4 Gospels falsely named Jesus is the Messiah. I am not saying they are bad people. THEY ARE JUST DECEIVED LIKE EVERY OTHER RELIGIOUS PERSON ON THE PLANET.

THE CREATOR IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIP NOT RELIGION!
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Again, give me a verse from the New Testament which clearly states we must keep the Sabbath.

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Again, give me a verse from the New Testament which clearly states we must keep the Sabbath.
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Jesus said keep the commandments. That is good enuff for God's people who read his word.

Hebrews 4:4,8,9 For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.....For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.
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Again, give me a verse from the New Testament which clearly states we must keep the Sabbath.
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You do not even read this thread do you?

The New Testament commands you to walk as the Messiah walk. AKA to act as he did. To make his customs your customs. Messiah is listed over and over as keeping the Sabbath.

Messiah proclaims the Sabbath was made FOR MAN. It is a gift for you. He proclaims he is the MASTER of the Sabbath. If you take Kung-Fu and your Sensei or Master is the master of the Art of the Crane, then by very definiation because he is your master and he is teaching you, you are striving to lean and keep the Art of the Crane this is COMMON SENSE.

The Messiah Commanded his Followers to DO AND TEACH THE LEAST OF THE TORAH. THIS IS NOT EVEN DEBATABLE. THE SABBATH IS IN THE TORAH.

Paul is listen in Acts as keeping the Sabbath 84+ weeks in a row WITH GENTILES.

And I already told you Hebrews specifically says THERE REMAINS A SABBATH KEEPING FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD. It seems you are too lazy to look this up though.

It is a undebateable FACT the Sabbaths will be kept during the 1,000 year reign.

It is a undebatable fact that the Sabbath (Sabbath means rest, to cease from ones works) was given at Creation in Genesis 2.

Your entire argument is based upon man made religion and Babylonian BS that you have been taught or read on the internet from some man.

MESSIAH IN SPEAKING OF THE FUTURE TRIBULATION LONG AFTER HE DIED AND AROSE SAYS "PRAY THAT YOUR FLIGHT DOES NOT COME ON THE SABBATH" PROVING THE SABBATH IS STILL IN EFFECT.

Sir, you really need to read the Bible and get of the internet. And I say that with love my friend.
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Yes, Sabbath will be kept during the Millennial reign. Now SHOW ME where in the New Testament we are required to keep the Sabbath.
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Yes, Sabbath will be kept during the Millennial reign. Now SHOW ME where in the New Testament we are required to keep the Sabbath.
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OP, youve' been shown, repeatedly, in the "New Testament" where the Sabbath/4th Commandment of the God and Father of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ have been kept..but, it seems that you can not see.

The women that ministered their substance unto Jesus kept the Sabbath according to the Commandment, however, unto you and those like you, that means nothing.

The apostle James stated, If anyone breaks one of the Ten Commandments of God, then, they are guilty of all, however, unto you and those like you, that means nothing.

The rich young ruler asked Jesus, what must I do to inorder to inherit life, Jesus responded, "Keep the Commandments", however, unto you and those like you, that means nothing.

The Apostle John stated, "This is how we know that we love God, when we keep His Commandments", however, unto you and those like you, that means nothing.

The apostle Paul, in 1 corinthians 7:19, places clear distinction between The Ten Commandments of God and traditions of men, however, unto you and those like you, that means nothing.

In the Book of Acts, the Apostle paul reasoned with the gentiles, out of the Scriptures, every Sabbath, However, unto you and those like you, that means nothing.

OP, it seems as if, unto you and those like you, Truth means nothing.
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I stand "uncorrected." No one has given me scriptural proof to say that we are required to keep the Sabbath; if anything, I've provided way more scriptural proof that we MAY keep the Sabbath, but do not have to.
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Psalm 119

 1Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

 2Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.

 3They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.

 4Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.

 5O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!

 6Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.

 7I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.

 8I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.

 9Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

 10With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.

 11Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

 12Blessed art thou, O LORD: teach me thy statutes.

 13With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth.

 14I have rejoiced in the way of thy testimonies, as much as in all riches.

 15I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.

 16I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.

 17Deal bountifully with thy servant, that I may live, and keep thy word.

 18Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.

 19I am a stranger in the earth: hide not thy commandments from me.

 20My soul breaketh for the longing that it hath unto thy judgments at all times.

 21Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments.

 22Remove from me reproach and contempt; for I have kept thy testimonies.

 23Princes also did sit and speak against me: but thy servant did meditate in thy statutes.

 24Thy testimonies also are my delight and my counselors.

 25My soul cleaveth unto the dust: quicken thou me according to thy word.

 26I have declared my ways, and thou heardest me: teach me thy statutes.

 27Make me to understand the way of thy precepts: so shall I talk of thy wondrous works.

 28My soul melteth for heaviness: strengthen thou me according unto thy word.

 29Remove from me the way of lying: and grant me thy law graciously.

 30I have chosen the way of truth: thy judgments have I laid before me.

 31I have stuck unto thy testimonies: O LORD, put me not to shame.

 32I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart.

 33Teach me, O LORD, the way of thy statutes; and I shall keep it unto the end.

 34Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart.

 35Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight.

 36Incline my heart unto thy testimonies, and not to covetousness.

 37Turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity; and quicken thou me in thy way.

 38Stablish thy word unto thy servant, who is devoted to thy fear.

 39Turn away my reproach which I fear: for thy judgments are good.

 40Behold, I have longed after thy precepts: quicken me in thy righteousness.

 41Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, even thy salvation, according to thy word.

 42So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word.

 43And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments.

 44So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

 45And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

 46I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.

 47And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved.

 48My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved; and I will meditate in thy statutes.

 49Remember the word unto thy servant, upon which thou hast caused me to hope.

 50This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.

 51The proud have had me greatly in derision: yet have I not declined from thy law.

 52I remembered thy judgments of old, O LORD; and have comforted myself.

 53Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law.

 54Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage.

 55I have remembered thy name, O LORD, in the night, and have kept thy law.

 56This I had, because I kept thy precepts.

 57Thou art my portion, O LORD: I have said that I would keep thy words.

 58I intreated thy favour with my whole heart: be merciful unto me according to thy word.

 59I thought on my ways, and turned my feet unto thy testimonies.

 60I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments.

 61The bands of the wicked have robbed me: but I have not forgotten thy law.

 62At midnight I will rise to give thanks unto thee because of thy righteous judgments.

 63I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts.

 64The earth, O LORD, is full of thy mercy: teach me thy statutes.

 65Thou hast dealt well with thy servant, O LORD, according unto thy word.

 66Teach me good judgment and knowledge: for I have believed thy commandments.

 67Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word.

 68Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.

 69The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.

 70Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law.

 71It is good for me that I have been afflicted; that I might learn thy statutes.

 72The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver.

 73Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments.

 74They that fear thee will be glad when they see me; because I have hoped in thy word.

 75I know, O LORD, that thy judgments are right, and that thou in faithfulness hast afflicted me.

 76Let, I pray thee, thy merciful kindness be for my comfort, according to thy word unto thy servant.

 77Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.

 78Let the proud be ashamed; for they dealt perversely with me without a cause: but I will meditate in thy precepts.

 79Let those that fear thee turn unto me, and those that have known thy testimonies.

 80Let my heart be sound in thy statutes; that I be not ashamed.

 81My soul fainteth for thy salvation: but I hope in thy word.

 82Mine eyes fail for thy word, saying, When wilt thou comfort me?

 83For I am become like a bottle in the smoke; yet do I not forget thy statutes.

 84How many are the days of thy servant? when wilt thou execute judgment on them that persecute me?

 85The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law.

 86All thy commandments are faithful: they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.

 87They had almost consumed me upon earth; but I forsook not thy precepts.

 88Quicken me after thy lovingkindness; so shall I keep the testimony of thy mouth.

 89For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

 90Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.

 91They continue this day according to thine ordinances: for all are thy servants.

 92Unless thy law had been my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction.

 93I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me.

 94I am thine, save me: for I have sought thy precepts.

 95The wicked have waited for me to destroy me: but I will consider thy testimonies.

 96I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.

 97O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.

 98Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.

 99I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.

 100I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.

 101I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.

 102I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me.

 103How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

 104Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

 105Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

 106I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep thy righteous judgments.

 107I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O LORD, according unto thy word.

 108Accept, I beseech thee, the freewill offerings of my mouth, O LORD, and teach me thy judgments.

 109My soul is continually in my hand: yet do I not forget thy law.

 110The wicked have laid a snare for me: yet I erred not from thy precepts.

 111Thy testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever: for they are the rejoicing of my heart.

 112I have inclined mine heart to perform thy statutes alway, even unto the end.

 113I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love.

 114Thou art my hiding place and my shield: I hope in thy word.

 115Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God.

 116Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope.

 117Hold thou me up, and I shall be safe: and I will have respect unto thy statutes continually.

 118Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes: for their deceit is falsehood.

 119Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross: therefore I love thy testimonies.

 120My flesh trembleth for fear of thee; and I am afraid of thy judgments.

 121I have done judgment and justice: leave me not to mine oppressors.

 122Be surety for thy servant for good: let not the proud oppress me.

 123Mine eyes fail for thy salvation, and for the word of thy righteousness.

 124Deal with thy servant according unto thy mercy, and teach me thy statutes.

 125I am thy servant; give me understanding, that I may know thy testimonies.

 126It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.

 127Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold.

 128Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.

 129Thy testimonies are wonderful: therefore doth my soul keep them.

 130The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

 131I opened my mouth, and panted: for I longed for thy commandments.

 132Look thou upon me, and be merciful unto me, as thou usest to do unto those that love thy name.

 133Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me.

 134Deliver me from the oppression of man: so will I keep thy precepts.

 135Make thy face to shine upon thy servant; and teach me thy statutes.

 136Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.

 137Righteous art thou, O LORD, and upright are thy judgments.

 138Thy testimonies that thou hast commanded are righteous and very faithful.

 139My zeal hath consumed me, because mine enemies have forgotten thy words.

 140Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.

 141I am small and despised: yet do not I forget thy precepts.

 142Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

 143Trouble and anguish have taken hold on me: yet thy commandments are my delights.

 144The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live.

 145I cried with my whole heart; hear me, O LORD: I will keep thy statutes.

 146I cried unto thee; save me, and I shall keep thy testimonies.

 147I prevented the dawning of the morning, and cried: I hoped in thy word.

 148Mine eyes prevent the night watches, that I might meditate in thy word.

 149Hear my voice according unto thy lovingkindness: O LORD, quicken me according to thy judgment.

 150They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law.

 151Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

 152Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.

 153Consider mine affliction, and deliver me: for I do not forget thy law.

 154Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word.

 155Salvation is far from the wicked: for they seek not thy statutes.

 156Great are thy tender mercies, O LORD: quicken me according to thy judgments.

 157Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.

 158I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

 159Consider how I love thy precepts: quicken me, O LORD, according to thy lovingkindness.

 160Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

 161Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy word.

 162I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.

 163I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.

 164Seven times a day do I praise thee because of thy righteous judgments.

 165Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

 166LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.

 167My soul hath kept thy testimonies; and I love them exceedingly.

 168I have kept thy precepts and thy testimonies: for all my ways are before thee.

 169Let my cry come near before thee, O LORD: give me understanding according to thy word.

 170Let my supplication come before thee: deliver me according to thy word.

 171My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes.

 172My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

 173Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.

 174I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

 175Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me.

 176I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.
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