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Cap and Trade Goes Back to 1984

 
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By Mondoreb

Old and busted: Cap and Trade

NEW GOVERNMENT HOTNESS: REDUCTION & REFUND

Didn’t like what “cap and trade” legislation will do to your electric bill or the economy? No problem! We’ll just call it “reduction and refund.” It’s the same old bill with a new exciting name. The Senate’s political hacks go back to 1984.

CAP’N TRADE IS GOING BACK TO 1984

When you change the name of a POS legislation to try and fool voters, political operatives call it “re-branding.”

George Orwell might call it “Newspeak.”

From Climate bill now a focus of Senate
[link to www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com]
(via the NRO’s The Corner): [link to corner.nationalreview.com]

Proponents of the legislation in the Senate are reworking the proposed emissions rules and have jettisoned the term “cap and trade.” The system for reducing emissions now is being called “reduction and refund.” Interior Secretary Ken Salazar told CNBC last week “the term cap and trade is not in the lexicon anymore.”

[Zack Hill, a lobbyist for Alliant Energy who is representing a coalition of Midwest utilities on the issue] said changing the terminology was “a classic re-branding attempt by the senators to confuse consumers.”

“Cap and trade” was going to cripple industry, stifle the economy and raise electric bills for voters throughout the country–all the while making billionaires of system-gamers like Al Gore.

Voters won’t like that, so let’s change the name, not the noxious legislation.


Did you pay all of your new electric bill?

“Reduction and refund”: Problem solved!

Welcome to the future, baby!

UPDATE: A truly Orwellian update: in the future, IF cap and trade becomes law, you won’t be able to sell your house UNLESS the EPA has approved it as “energy efficient.”

Did not know that. It’s interesting but still More Big Government Bullshit.

From 04.09.10 UPDATE: Thinking about selling your house? – A look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and trade bill):
[link to www.federalobserver.com]


In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.

To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements. Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a “label” in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner If you don’t get a high enough rating, you can’t sell. And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act.

The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the “American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009″) and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he alone determines to be in the government’s best interest.

Get that? Not your best interest but “in the government’s best interest.”

Vote them out–and keep them out.

by Mondo Frazier
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Thanks for the tip Phenn. They aren't fooling anyone anymore. They can change the name to leprechauns and lolly pops if they want to. It won't matter. Enough people are paying attention now that the only real problem is that the nut case wackos that are hell bent on destroying this country still have about 7 months of time left to pull crap out of their ass and call it candy.

November can't get here fast enough.

Last Edited by Resister on 04/11/2010 10:48 AM
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Thanks for the tip Phenn. They aren't fooling anyone anymore. They can change the name to leprechauns and lolly pops if they want to. It won't matter. Enough people are paying attention now that the only real problem is that the nut case wackos that are hell bent on destroying this country still have about 7 months of time left to pull crap out of their ass and call it candy.

November can't get here fast enough.
 Quoting: Resister


same thing with the HC bill. it was hillary-care.

btw, is your AV "eleanor"? (gone in 60 seconds)
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........
Vote them out–and keep them out.............
Vote them out–and keep them out.............
Vote them out–and keep them out.............
Vote them out–and keep them out.............


VOTE THEM OUT AND KEEP THEM OUT.............

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btw, is your AV "eleanor"? (gone in 60 seconds)
 Quoting: Phennommennonn

Nope. Eleanor was a 1967 Shelby. My avatar is my 1969 Mach I. Mom bought that car the same year I was born. I grew up riding around in that classic. In the 70's our family was in a CB club and we went for rides to parks and stuff. In the early 80's we drag raced it at the local track. After college mom wanted to give it to me. My step dad thought that was hilarious. So, I reminded my step dad that I was the first of four kids and he was about to have to put more through college. $4000 later she was mine!
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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btw, is your AV "eleanor"? (gone in 60 seconds)

Nope. Eleanor was a 1967 Shelby. My avatar is my 1969 Mach I. Mom bought that car the same year I was born. I grew up riding around in that classic. In the 70's our family was in a CB club and we went for rides to parks and stuff. In the early 80's we drag raced it at the local track. After college mom wanted to give it to me. My step dad thought that was hilarious. So, I reminded my step dad that I was the first of four kids and he was about to have to put more through college. $4000 later she was mine!
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thats sweeeeettt
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........
Vote them out–and keep them out.............
Vote them out–and keep them out.............
Vote them out–and keep them out.............
Vote them out–and keep them out.............


VOTE THEM OUT AND KEEP THEM OUT.............

.
 Quoting: Savannah Banana.... 814988

its still gonna pass just like the healthcare
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gorebot

it goes further back than my invention of the internet.

gorebot

you will comply slaves
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Re: Cap and Trade Goes Back to 1984
This might be relevant here;

Smart meters- after one was installed last October (2009), our bill in Northern California went from about $125/month to $488 for December.

I signed on for a "balanced payment plan" and now pay $215/month. I have been trying to save energy FOREEVER, and had gotten my bill down to $38.00 per month sometimes, by shutting off lights, "leaching devices" and hang-drying our clothes.

Sooo, those of us in many places having Smart Meters are already paying these crooks!

Great post, by the way.
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Re: Cap and Trade Goes Back to 1984
This might be relevant here;

Smart meters- after one was installed last October (2009), our bill in Northern California went from about $125/month to $488 for December.

I signed on for a "balanced payment plan" and now pay $215/month. I have been trying to save energy FOREEVER, and had gotten my bill down to $38.00 per month sometimes, by shutting off lights, "leaching devices" and hang-drying our clothes.

Sooo, those of us in many places having Smart Meters are already paying these crooks!

Great post, by the way.
 Quoting: AmeriKan slave 911982


yep - smart meters. 2007 for us

Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 04/11/2010 12:20 PM
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Goes back a hellofa lot further than that Oueen P, Alan Watt covered this in a talk he gave a couple months ago on his research.

"Carbon Credits" was a concept introduced in the 1930's by a british fellow called Hubbert, the same fellow that brought us "Peak Oil" in the 1940s
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Goes back a hellofa lot further than that Oueen P, Alan Watt covered this in a talk he gave a couple months ago on his research.

"Carbon Credits" was a concept introduced in the 1930's by a british fellow called Hubbert, the same fellow that brought us "Peak Oil" in the 1940s
 Quoting: hoot no more/hasheater 940271

hey do you have the link to that show??? i listen to AW periodically. id be interested in hearing this.
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We can only thank Tricky Dick Nixon for signing the EPA act in 1970. Little did he know what a monster this thing would grow into.
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We can only thank Tricky Dick Nixon for signing the EPA act in 1970. Little did he know what a monster this thing would grow into.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 940390

theres alot that went on right under our noses wasnt there?
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I've read that it will also make those cheap China imports hideously expensive. Do you think that's true?

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Oh you know its 1984 orwellian, for sure....
ingsoc 1984eyeing
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I've read that it will also make those cheap China imports hideously expensive. Do you think that's true?
 Quoting: Nine's


Ugh - imagine if wally world was the only store left?

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