Yoohoo!!!! Still think HIV wasn't introduced to African children thru the polio vaccine?

I see no evidence that any contamination is deliberate. This thread is about a contamination and also about a massive audit and probe into how it occurred.
I cant imagine how they could make a profit out of recalling and usually destroying massive amount of their product, damaging doctors and the public trust in them and investors confidence in their stock.
I dont agree with a lot of government spending, but I'm much more worried about money spent on fruitless military technology. Honestly as much as I despise corporate greed I prefer them to government produced vaccines.

There are doctors who devote their entire career to research; to produce the information, to reviewing research; and making sure the research is correct and to reporting on research and research reviews; looking at the sources and looking at the people who look at the sources.
There are watchers watching the watchers, watching the watchers, etc. I guess thats the benefit of such a huge population.

If we cant rely on rigorous scientific research then what else have we got that can produce results or predict effect. Trial and error? a shot in the dark? Magic?

and yet science doesn't measure up to your standard, what would convince you that vaccine's benefits outweigh their negatives?

No thats the bible, statistics are interpreted by mathematicians not soothsayers.

they need to give vaccines to insure that they will have chronically ill people for their financial gain!

article I found very interesting.....


"Whole nations will be deceived by the medicines of Satan." ----Rev. 18:23

The American Medical Association is fashioned to prescribe drugs and perform various treatments that although they may be unsuspecting, tend to weed out the weaker species.

There is not a single prescription drug that offers a "cure" to any ailment or disease. Curing a disease versus treating its symptoms does not make "business sense" to drug companies. Just like government can only profit from criminals, the drug industry only makes money from sick people..............sick people with insurance. This business model enables drug companies to make huge profits and guarantees dependency among users.


This dependency allows drug companies to pay
for Direct-to-Consumer (DTC) advertising, drug trials, university research,government lobbying, and ghost writers and combined, these strategies are used to deceive not only the general public but medical doctors as well.

To further increase profit, drug companies invent disease and subsequently, offer a solution.
Herein lies the origin of deadly health myths. Such myths
include, but are surely not limited to, that of high cholesterol being the culprit of heart disease, insulin being the only treatment for diabetics and that AIDS, rather than starvation is killing Africans.Through "junk science" and "ghost writing", the general public and some of the world's most respected health experts have fallen for these myths.

Once "big-pharma" steals jurisdiction over the public's common sense, they convince them of the necessity of their
drugs.

copy/pasted from article.

[2006] Interview of Shane Ellison author of Health Myths Exposed
The school medicine protagonists/practitioners need the paralysing,
stupid-making and destructive fear of disease causing phantom viruses as a
central basis for their existence:

Firstly, in order to harm many people with vaccinations, in order to build
up for themselves a clientele of chronically ill and ailing objects who will put
up with anything being done to them.

Secondly, in order not to have to admit that they are failing totally in
their treatment of chronic illnesses and have killed and are killing more people
than all wars so far have made possible. Every school medicine practitioner is
conscious of this, but only very few dare to speak about it. Therefore it's no
wonder either that among professional groups, it is that of the school medicine
practitioners that has the highest suicide rate, far surpassing other
professional groups.

Thirdly, the school medicine practitioners need the paralysing and
stupid-making fear of diabolical viruses, in order to conceal their historical
origin as an oppression and killing instrument of the Vatican's when it was
struggling to rise in the world, having developed out of the usurping West Roman
army.
School medicine has been and is the most important pillar of support of all
dictatorships and governments which do not want to submit to written law, to
constitutions, to human rights, that is, to the democratically legitimized
social contract. This explains too why school medicine really can and is allowed
to do anything that pleases it, and in this is subjected to no control
whatsoever. If we do not overcome this, we will all perish by this school
medicine.

[27.10.2005] Interview with Stefan Lanka on "bird flu" and some
related subjects
"Medications are palliatives. They are not designed to cure the degenerative
diseases of the body."


----F. Batmanghelidj, M.D.
"For every drug that benefits a patient, there is a natural substance that can
achieve the same effect." — Pfeiffer's Law
"My opinion, however, is that they (herbs) are superior 95% of the time to any
pharmaceutical drug!"

---Willner, M.D.
"The pharmaceutical "business with disease" is the largest deception and fraud
business in human history. The product "health" promised by drug companies is
not delivered to millions of patients. Instead, the "products" most often
delivered are the opposite: new diseases and frequently, death."

--Dr Rath MD
"At your next dinner party, try playing the following game. Challenge everyone
around the table to produce a single drug that can cure people of an illness,
other then antibiotics. If you come up with anything, stop whatever you are
doing and call me."

---Lynne McTaggart www.wddty.co.uk
"In the last century the practice of medicine has become no more than an adjunct
to the pharmaceutical industry and the other aspects of the huge, powerful and
immensely profitable health care industry. Medicine is no longer an independent
profession. Doctors have become nothing more than a link connecting the
pharmaceutical industry to the consumer."----Dr Vernon Coleman
"Indeed the modern physician now only represents an extension of these (medical)
industries into the public."--Carl Reich, M.D.
"The only cure of a degenerative disease ever established, has been by a
vitamin, mineral, or essential food factor.


No prescription drug has EVER cured
a SINGLE degenerative disease. While antibiotics can kill bacteria in the body
and have no doubt saved lives that would otherwise have been lost since the
discovery of penicillin, this does not mean that the bacteria is the CAUSE of
the "disease" being treated nor does it mean that antibiotics are the BEST way
to handle the situation because Klenner (MD)demonstrated way back in the fifties
(published hospital studies, Southern Medical J) that intravenous vitamin C in
megadoses kills off ANY infection known to man (including tetanus -lockjaw)
without ANY harmful side effects. What is being treated when an antibiotice is
used... is the SYMPTOM, not the disease, but that is another story for another
day. To say that bacteria cause disease is like saying that the flies cause the
manure pile and firemen cause house fires because each of the latter are found
on the scene.


Bacteria are EFFECTS.... not CAUSES."--Dr Duffy DC
"Most patients probably assume that when a doctor proposes to use an established
treatment to conquer a disease he will be using a treatment which has been
tested, examined and proven. But this is not the case. The savage truth is that
most medical research is organised, paid for, commissioned or subsidised by the
drug industry (and the food, tobacco and alcohol industries). This type of
research is designed, quite simply, to find evidence showing a new product is of
commercial value. The companies which commission such research are not terribly
bothered about evidence; what they are looking for are conclusions which will
enable them to sell their product.


Drug company sponsored research is done more
to get good reviews than to find out the truth."----Dr Vernon Coleman
"As a retired physician, I can honestly say that unless you are in a serious
accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to avoid doctors and
hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and other forms of natural
medicine unless you are fortunate enough to have a naturopathic physician
available. Almost all drugs are toxic and are designed only to treat symptoms
and not to cure anyone. Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been
adequately studied or proven to be effective, and have a poor risk/reward ratio.
Most surgery is unnecessary and most textbooks of medicine are inaccurate and
deceptive.


Almost every disease is said to be idiopathic (without known cause)
or genetic - although this is untrue. In short, our main stream medical system
is hopelessly inept and/or corrupt.



The treatment of cancer and degenerative
diseases is a national scandal. The sooner you learn this, the better off you
will be."----Dr. Allan Greenberg 12/24/2002
"Most people don't realize that pharmaceutical medicine is a false paradigm
doomed to failure, as most drugs will damage the mitochondria as well as
interfere with essential biochemical pathways. I strongly object to Medicare
coverage of prescription drugs, because, the more drugs people take, the worse
their health will be. A better idea would be Medicare coverage of nutritional
supplements and other alternative treatments such as chelation therapy."--- Alan
Greenberg, M.D.



"Antidepressants are the biggest fraud in the world. Number one, Prozac gives
you a royal soft-on like you wouldn't believe, and number two you never know all
the side effects.


I look at the pharmaceutical companies as the drug barons,
the psychopharmcologists as the mules and the patients as the victims. They're
innocent because they think they're being cured."--Robert Evans, film producer
(Observer Magazine 22 sept 2002)
"Early statistics kept by referral physicians demonstrated that 80% of those who
follow our (Arthritis Fund) recommendations got well…providing they hadn’t been
treated by traditional methods (which) drops our successes to 50%, which is
considerably greater than the "improvement" rate of about 33% obtained through
traditional treatments. Incidently, that 33% "improvement" rate claimed by
establishment treatments is just about equal to the placebo effect."---di Fabio
author of Arthritis: Little Known Treatments.



In almost all cases the use of drugs in treating patients is harmful.

Drugs often cause serious side effects, and
sometimes even create new diseases. The dubious benefits they afford the patient
are at best temporary. Yet the number of drugs on the market increases
geometrically every year as each chemical firm develops its own variation of the
compounds. The physician is indeed rare who can be completely aware of the
potential danger from the side effects of all of these drugs.

"Doctors go to great lengths to disguise the fact that they are practising a black art rather than a science.
The medical profession has created a
'pseudoscience' of mammoth proportions and today's doctors rely on a vast
variety of instruments and tests and pieces of equipment with which to explain
and dignify their interventions. This, of course, is nothing new.

The alchemists
of the middle ages and the witch doctors of Africa realised that words and
spells reeked of gods and sorcery and so they created a secret and impenetrable
structure of herbs, songs, dance, rattling of special bones, chants and
ceremonial incantations. Today's clinicians have much more sophisticated mumbo
jumbo to offer. They have laser surgery and psychotherapy, CAT scanners and
serum manganese assessments to substantiate their claims to be scientists. But
however good the impenetrable pseudoscience may sound or seem to be, and however
well based on scientific principles the equipments and the techniques is still
little more than mumbo jumbo. Doctors may use scientific instruments but that
doesn't make them scientists any more than a witch doctor would become a
scientist if he wore a stethoscope and danced around a microscope!"----Dr Vernon
Coleman
"Now, if doctors were aware that medicine was not a science and that they were
pulling what is undoubtedly the largest and most successful confidence trick
ever tried the damage would be fairly minimal. But the problem is compounded by
the fact that the vast majority of doctors believe the lie that they are taught;
they believe that they are scientists, practising an applied science."----Dr
Vernon Coleman
"Drugs never cure disease. Pain may disappear, but the patient is left in a
worse condition, though unconscious of it at the time."~ Daniel. H. Kress, M.D.
"The cause of most disease is in the poisonous drugs physicians superstitiously
give in order to effect a cure." Charles E. Page, M.D.
"Medicines are of subordinate importance because of their very nature they can
only work symptomatically." Hans Kusche, M.D.

"If all the medicine in the world were thrown into the sea, it would be bad for
the fish and good for humanity" O.W. Holmes, (Prof. of Med. Harvard University)

"Drug medications consists in employing, as remedies for disease, those things
which produce disease in well persons. Its materia medica is simply a lot of
drugs or chemicals or dye-stuffs in a word poisons. All are incompatible with
vital matter; all produce disease when brought in contact in any manner with the
living; all are poisons." R.T. Trall, M.D., in a two and one half hour lecture
to members of congress and the medical profession, delivered at the Smithsonian
Institute in Washington D.C.

"Every drug increases and complicates the patients condition." Robert Henderson,
M.D.

"The greatest part of all chronic disease is created by the suppression of acute
disease by drug poisoning." Henry Lindlahr, M.D.

"Every educated physician knows that most diseases are not appreciably helped by
medicine." Richard C. Cabot, M.D. (Mass. Gen. Hospital)


"The person who takes medicine must recover twice, once from the disease and
once from the medicine." William Osler, M.D.

"Medical practice has neither philosophy nor common sense to recommend it. In
sickness the body is already loaded with impurities. By taking drug - medicines
more impurities are added, thereby the case is further embarrassed and harder to
cure." Elmer Lee, M.D., Past Vice President, Academy of Medicine.

"Our figures show approximately four and one half million hospital admissions
annually due to the adverse reactions to drugs. Further, the average hospital
patient has as much as thirty percent chance, depending how long he is in, of
doubling his stay due to adverse drug reactions." Milton Silverman, M.D.
(Professor of Pharmacology, University of California)

"Why would a patient swallow a poison because he is ill, or take that which
would make a well man sick." L.F. Kebler, M.D.

"What hope is there for medical science to ever become a true science when the
entire structure of medical knowledge is built around the idea that there is an
entity called disease which can be expelled when the right drug is found?" John
H. Tilden, M.D.

"The necessity of teaching mankind not to take drugs and medicines, is a duty
incumbent upon all who know their uncertainty and injurious effects; and the
time is not far distant when the drug system will be abandoned." Charles
Armbruster, M. D.

"We are prone to thinking of drug abuse in terms of the male population and
illicit drugs such as heroin, cocaine, and marijuana. It may surprise you to
learn that a greater problem exists with millions of women dependent on legal
prescription drugs." Robert Mendelsohn, M.D

Last Edited by TwinSister on 05/04/2010 10:51 AM

Who is they? what chronic illness?What article?The bible? Well at least you are honest about your intellectual dishonestyDoctors prescribe medicine, are all doctors secret eugenicists?Pharmacuticals also cant profit from dead people or people too sick to work. The USA's trillion dollar GDP with is from prisoners? Advertising that is strictly regulated by the government unless of course you are a quack promoting alt med like those you have quoted here, they are mostly unregulated. So the government is complicit but the doctors and public aren't, why are the gov all aliens or is everyone except the pharmas just stupid?Great AIDS denial, should have seen that coming, did the drug companies invent cancer too?It's that easy is it? I guess the drug companies have stolen their own common sense or else they wouldn't bother to run trials or even put active ingredients in their drugs.The catholic church and science in bed together? viruses, the most uncontrollable indiscriminate method of widespread death is a killing instrument? Or do you dismiss virus theory because it contradicts your ingrained belief system Another AIDS denialistPfeiffers law is true in most cases since many modern medicines are based on natural extract which are usualy then sysnthesised. The natural therapy is usualy less effective since you cant be sure of the dose and you also recieve any toxins or diluting or counter active ingrediants in the tincture or juice or bark etc. Any drug is natural because everything comes from nature, where else is it going to come from the 9th dimension, felix the cats magical bag?This guy thinks you can live of water alone, are you sure this wasn't a misquote? He seemed to think water cured everything and dehydration was the cause of all disease.I could find any credentials for willner, but his argument is speculative without any numbers or evidence.Rath blames scruvy for heart attacks and is also an AIDS denialist. How many people at your typical dinner party are doctors or have had survived cancer, they would certainly speak up. Why does he need to put a condition on his question? Where antibiotics discovered by a biblical profit or a astral traveller? No they were discovered by scientist and are used by doctors even though they cure disease which according to you decreses profits. Why aren't antibodies banned by governments, why do pharmacutical company push them?I woulds listen to L Ron Hubbard before I listened to Lynne Mctaggart.

Germ theory denial now? Do you believe that the immune system exists or that the brain thinks, or that the bumps on someones head can tell you if they are a criminal? Do you accept that atoms exist or do you believe that the earth only has four elements, earth wind water and fire? Do you understand what bacteria is.

the threads' theme was the method through which SIV mutated into HIV, so why are you commenting if you don't believe that HIV exists?

The rotavirus vaccines has been proven to provide immunity against infection and even this contamination which poses no danger since the virus contaminating only presents as DNA fragments and is harmless in humans and pigs anyway.

What do you think can explain the nature of the universe if science cannot?

BUMP

they need to give vaccines to insure that they will have chronically ill people for their financial gain!
Quoting: TwinSister
Who is they? what chronic illness?
article I found very interesting.....
Quoting: TwinSister
What article?
"Whole nations will be deceived by the medicines of Satan." ----Rev. 18:23
Quoting: TwinSister
The bible? Well at least you are honest about your intellectual dishonesty
The American Medical Association is fashioned to prescribe drugs and perform various treatments that although they may be unsuspecting, tend to weed out the weaker species.
Quoting: TwinSister
Doctors prescribe medicine, are all doctors secret eugenicists?

Anything is possible.

Polio is so 60 years ago.