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Important Message about Receiving the Gifts of the Spirit through Baptism

 
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I came across this message about the Christian's need to receive the Holy Ghost with fire, according to Acts 2:38 and Luke 3:16

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire


The Luke 3:16 shows why it is important to be baptized in Jesus' Name, as in no other way will you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost.


If you cannot find a pastor to do such a baptism, then you best pray earnestly over the situation and God will show you what to do. Such a baptism will be evidenced in your receiving spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit, no one can enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


Here's the message, an old one as seen by the date, but should be helpful for those searching for the truth in this important step of faith through baptism in obedience to the Lord.

Scribe to Elijah




12/08/2002

Brethren in our Lord Jesus Christ's Name,

Tarry here until you receive the promise to all of that believe. It
is His promise so be patient. It will come at His appointed place and
time. If you believe in your heart that it will come, that it will.
When we empty our corrupted vessel of old wine, then He can fill it
with the new wine Holy Ghost and fire at His appointed time. It is
all to do with the condition of our heart.

I went into a Pentecostal Holiness church in Washington, D.C.. I was
led in this day. I had been there before as a visitor, but this day I
was there for His purpose. So as I went inside and sat down, a young
preacher spake, Does anyone here this day want to receive the gift of
the Holy Ghost as according to Acts 2:38? A voice said, Get baptized
in my name. I looked around for who said that, and saw no one. Then,
this young pastor stated again, this is the last call, Does anyone
here want to be baptized according to Acts 2:38 in Jesus name? Then
this voice said, Get baptized in my name Jesus. So I got up and did
so. And we all were led to an upper room to have people lay hands
upon as written to bring forth the anointing and speaking in tongues.
Everyone joined together in twos, but I was left alone. So I said,
Lord, what be this? He said, Go to the bathroom, so I did. And He
said, Leave here now, so I did. Well, a few days later I was walking
down a road singing of my Lord Jesus, when I was shouting in tongues
for miles. It just flowed out. And then signs and wonders did follow
me each day. Mark 16:16 to 20.

And it all happened as it was written by the glory of our heavenly
Father. And it will happen to you. Be patient.

You dear brethren, it is your heart's desire to have an intimate
relationship with your heavenly Father. That is what he looks for,
not how much you know. King David had a very intimate relationship
with our Lord. That is why He chose him to be King above others. I
Samuel 16:1 to 13. You can see how Lord is no respecter of persons.
He raised up the least person to be king of His Land Israel. The
verse that revealed my desire was I Corinthians 2:4-5. Oh, to be able
to help people as Peter, John, Paul and others were able to. And He
anointed me as I had asked of Him in pure and simple faith. For it is
written, whatsoever you ask of my Father in my name, so it shall be
given unto you. As of I, it shall be given of you in His name Lord
Jesus.

His Servant,

Elijah


Messages of God's Servant Prophet Elijah are on the internet at:
[link to groups.yahoo.com]
[link to z8.invisionfree.com]
Chinese: [link to hkot.net]
Korean: [link to blog.daum.net]
Taiwanese: [link to tw.myblog.yahoo.com]

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Question - why do you not use his true name, Yeshua?

and, most Pentecostals that I have experianced, babble in jibberish with no one to translate - this is not Biblical. This kind of speaking in tounges has been common for thousands of years in many cultures and is not the Holy Spirit. The Pentecostals do not keep the Sabbath or Feasts and have many questionable beliefs.

I have agreed with most of your doctrine up until now.
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I came across this message about the Christian's need to receive the Holy Ghost with fire, according to Acts 2:38 and Luke 3:16

 Quoting: Scribe to Elijah 950984


Do you ALWAYS listen to the advice of idiots for important things?

Your life must SUCK!!

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Question - why do you not use his true name, Yeshua?

and, most Pentecostals that I have experianced, babble in jibberish with no one to translate - this is not Biblical. This kind of speaking in tounges has been common for thousands of years in many cultures and is not the Holy Spirit. The Pentecostals do not keep the Sabbath or Feasts and have many questionable beliefs.

I have agreed with most of your doctrine up until now.
 Quoting: Rev. Moon Jew



Either Yeshua or Jesus is acceptable. Elijah once prayed over the correct usage of these various Names of God as is in use in other languages, and the Lord told him to use the Name of the common people. If you are corresponding with or are with people who refer to other names used in their country, such as Israel who use Hebrew, then, of course you must use those names, as it is expected. When Elijah is in presence with the Greeks here in Cyprus and Greece, he is referred to and known as Elias. When in presence of the Hebrews, he is known as Eliyahu.


We have found that when we were in Africa, even there we heard Pentecostals also babbling under pretense of being filled with the Holy Spirit, so in truth they only have a form of godliness, 2 Timothy 3:5.


The churches are full of these kind of people. I have even met a Catholic who claimed to be full of the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues but of course that is impossible without the born-again experience and the filling of the Spirit. Catholics and Orthodox churches have only a baby baptism. Without baptism and repentance, one simply does not have the Holy Spirit.


All Sabbaths must be kept including those Sabbaths set aside according to the Feasts. When we begin in faith to keep Sabbaths, then we begin understand the importance God places in rest for His people, which includes the special Sabbaths set aside in the Feasts as well.


God's people who walk in His ways have also been given the same day of rest that He set aside for Himself according to Genesis 2:1-3, a blessed day for all generations of all time, which has never been revoked by Almighty God.


Thank you for writing, and may God bless all your efforts in your walk with Him.

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<All Sabbaths must be kept including those Sabbaths set aside according to the Feasts. When we begin in faith to keep Sabbaths, then we begin understand the importance God places in rest for His people, which includes the special Sabbaths set aside in the Feasts as well. >


That's why I questioned about being baptized in a Penticostal Church. They also follow a grace only doctrine and that Yeshua did away with Law.


Another question regarding baptism.

According to the following passages, the Holy Spirit comes through prayer and the laying on of hands, not baptism.

Acts 8

 12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

 13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

 14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

 15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

 17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.


Acts 10

 44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

 45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

 47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

 48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
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Also -

Acts 11:15
And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Acts 19:6
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
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sorry for offtopic, but what´s wrong with GLP?
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Your witness is disturbing, on so many levels.
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This is a sincere question. Can a Christian baptise themselves? If no, then why? Because i've desired it for a while but cannot find a church that will baptise me without making me become a member of their congregation and/or pay a fee. And of those who do, they will only do it in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. So what am i to do?
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Wow...a thread by the scribe...pinned!! LoL.




The reason you have to be baptized in the Name of Jesus, is that it is actually Jesus Himself who baptizes with the Holy Spirit, as shown in the verse you quoted.


Mark 1:8

I indeed baptize you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit, and with fire.







All Sabbaths must be kept including those Sabbaths set aside according to the Feasts. When we begin in faith to keep Sabbaths, then we begin understand the importance God places in rest for His people, which includes the special Sabbaths set aside in the Feasts as well.

 Quoting: Scribe for Elia 950984



Explain this verse, please:


Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths,
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The devil can quote Scriptures and so can his ministers and they can quote them in perfect King James English. –Gary Amirault

He who reads the Bible in translation is like a man who kisses his bride through a veil. --Hayyim Nachman Bialik
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You God bothers really need to get a life. If you want us to convert, then you seriously need to give us more than a numbered quote from your silly little script written by some British King.

How dare you monopolize Jesus and sell tickets to heaven in his name.

Shame on you! And all the while your organizations gather money to send to Israel [in the name of god] for the slaughter of Palestinian children.

You people are puppets of Zion and you have no idea of the evil you create by your ignorance and servitude.

However, I forgive you in the name of Christ.
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<All Sabbaths must be kept including those Sabbaths set aside according to the Feasts. When we begin in faith to keep Sabbaths, then we begin understand the importance God places in rest for His people, which includes the special Sabbaths set aside in the Feasts as well. >


That's why I questioned about being baptized in a Penticostal Church. They also follow a grace only doctrine and that Yeshua did away with Law.


Another question regarding baptism.

According to the following passages, the Holy Spirit comes through prayer and the laying on of hands, not baptism.

Acts 8

 12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

 13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

 14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

 15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

 17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.


Acts 10

 44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

 45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

 47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

 48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
 Quoting: Rev. Moon Jew


In the first set of scriptures, the Holy Ghost which comes from God demonstrates He is a convictor and teacher and that baptism would be needed, so they obeyed as a first step of their salvation.

Laying hands by godly men upon these people was an act of faith which resulted in the filling and sealing by the Holy Spirit, that He would not only be a convictor and teacher, but that He would remain in these people to guide them in their walk with the Lord.

The work of these new believers thereafter would be that they not grieve the Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:30, by failing to keep the Commandments.
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seriously...
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All Sabbaths must be kept including those Sabbaths set aside according to the Feasts. When we begin in faith to keep Sabbaths, then we begin understand the importance God places in rest for His people, which includes the special Sabbaths set aside in the Feasts as well.




Explain this verse, please:


Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths,
 Quoting: ^AvaTarD^



Paul was writing to a church in a predominately pagan community. The new Christians he was writing to were Gentile converts who were now following Hebrew customs which were much different from their pagan neighbors and family members. There were also Jewish converts that were still stuck in the legalism of the Pharasees and all their manmade rituals and laws invovling Sabbaths, food etc.

The next verse continues -

17which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body [is] of the Christ
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what's your point? stop quoting verses from one translation of a book that was never meant to be taken literally in the first place and is merely an alchemical allegory. This is by far the worst pin I have ever seen on GLP
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I don't get it. What exactly did Jesus mean when he said:

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
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Paul was writing to a church in a predominately pagan community. The new Christians he was writing to were Gentile converts who were now following Hebrew customs which were much different from their pagan neighbors and family members. There were also Jewish converts that were still stuck in the legalism of the Pharasees and all their manmade rituals and laws invovling Sabbaths, food etc.

The next verse continues -

17which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body [is] of the Christ
 Quoting: Rev. Moon Jew



Yes, I know that.

I was wondering how the scribe would reconcile that with his insistence on the observation of certain feast days or customs.
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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Why Can’t I Be Jesus?

It starts from a very young age...Christians are indoctrinated with a story that suggests that a mere mortal defied both science and reason to ‘resurrect’ from death, to walk on earth again before ascending into the heavens. Moreover, Christians are also expected to believe that a person known as Jesus Christ, will one day return to earth, perhaps even via a cloud, to create a paradise on earth with his followers. This enduring myth taught to children and believed by billions of adults all around the world is about 2000 years old.

When grown adults are permitted and even encouraged to subscribe to a fallacious myth about a 'historical' superman, it implies that anything on earth is possible. When you combine the accepted myth with current 'New Age' thinking; ‘that everyone is a winner’; worthy of god-like recognition, it is a recipe for disaster. The New Age Christian, is ‘naturally’ entitled to ask the following question, if this Jesus Christ actually existed and is returning, why can't it be me!

Many derivatives of the Messiah Complex exist...including the equally mythical story of the two witnesses, or even angel messengers, but always and importantly the individual is a direct messenger sent from God himself. The logical proposition is; if Elijah, Moses, Abraham, were all picked out by God to do his handy work on earth...there is no reason why the individual can't argue that they also have been selected. In fact, choosing anyone less that Jesus Christ, provides the deluded individual with a self-effacing backstop; "Hey, it's not like I'm saying I'm Jesus".

Historically Christians are all supplicating individuals who accept their sin, redemption and duly issued ticket to paradise. However this type of thinking is very hard to reconcile in the modern age, where individuals and their rights are continuously being elevated to deistic levels. The combination of these two elements is set to deliver an exponential increase in psychological pathology in the Christian community; sadly these incidents will be primarily treated within the church, and even more distressing, some Churches will encourage this behaviour in the interest of both drama, and the financial benefits of offering a prophetic ministry.

As a child of a pentecostal ministry I have personally witnessed the destructive impact of the Messiah Complex on a young family, as an adult, I myself fell prey to its delusional claws, taking my own family into a potentially dangerous situation. The Messiah Complex will continue to exist for as long as the Christian community and the wider world accept the Christian Myth; a myth that permits their members to blur the line between fable and reality. The legacy of Christ's story is so entrenched in Western Society that it is now known as 'truth'. It is this conviction of ‘truth’ that holds humanity back from realising its true potential. But more importantly, the continual existence of the Christian Superman Myth ensures a disturbing invitation to vulnerable men and women; that are required to make only one small logical step into madness; if Jesus et al are most certainly coming back…why can’t it be?
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<In the first set of scriptures, the Holy Ghost which comes from God demonstrates He is a convictor and teacher and that baptism would be needed, so they obeyed as a first step of their salvation.

Laying hands by godly men upon these people was an act of faith which resulted in the filling and sealing by the Holy Spirit, that He would not only be a convictor and teacher, but that He would remain in these people to guide them in their walk with the Lord.

The work of these new believers thereafter would be that they not grieve the Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:30, by failing to keep the Commandments.>


Though related, they are still two different things and I find your thread title very misleading.

The Holy Spirit does not come through water baptism. In several incindences, it was recieved prior to and in others it was recieved after with the laying on of hands.

Repenting and being baptized does not automatically fill you with the Holy Spirit.

Also, how could they be filled with the Holy Spirit when they hadn't been baptized since you said that baptism is the first step in their salvation?

If baptism were required for salvation, what about the thief on the cross?

I'm not dimminishing baptism, only pointing out that according to scripture, receiving the Holy Spirit is seperate and not dependent on it.
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Why Can’t I Be Jesus?

It starts from a very young age...Christians are indoctrinated with a story that suggests that a mere mortal defied both science and reason to ‘resurrect’ from death, to walk on earth again before ascending into the heavens. Moreover, Christians are also expected to believe that a person known as Jesus Christ, will one day return to earth, perhaps even via a cloud, to create a paradise on earth with his followers. This enduring myth taught to children and believed by billions of adults all around the world is about 2000 years old.

When grown adults are permitted and even encouraged to subscribe to a fallacious myth about a 'historical' superman, it implies that anything on earth is possible. When you combine the accepted myth with current 'New Age' thinking; ‘that everyone is a winner’; worthy of god-like recognition, it is a recipe for disaster. The New Age Christian, is ‘naturally’ entitled to ask the following question, if this Jesus Christ actually existed and is returning, why can't it be me!

Many derivatives of the Messiah Complex exist...including the equally mythical story of the two witnesses, or even angel messengers, but always and importantly the individual is a direct messenger sent from God himself. The logical proposition is; if Elijah, Moses, Abraham, were all picked out by God to do his handy work on earth...there is no reason why the individual can't argue that they also have been selected. In fact, choosing anyone less that Jesus Christ, provides the deluded individual with a self-effacing backstop; "Hey, it's not like I'm saying I'm Jesus".

Historically Christians are all supplicating individuals who accept their sin, redemption and duly issued ticket to paradise. However this type of thinking is very hard to reconcile in the modern age, where individuals and their rights are continuously being elevated to deistic levels. The combination of these two elements is set to deliver an exponential increase in psychological pathology in the Christian community; sadly these incidents will be primarily treated within the church, and even more distressing, some Churches will encourage this behaviour in the interest of both drama, and the financial benefits of offering a prophetic ministry.

As a child of a pentecostal ministry I have personally witnessed the destructive impact of the Messiah Complex on a young family, as an adult, I myself fell prey to its delusional claws, taking my own family into a potentially dangerous situation. The Messiah Complex will continue to exist for as long as the Christian community and the wider world accept the Christian Myth; a myth that permits their members to blur the line between fable and reality. The legacy of Christ's story is so entrenched in Western Society that it is now known as 'truth'. It is this conviction of ‘truth’ that holds humanity back from realising its true potential. But more importantly, the continual existence of the Christian Superman Myth ensures a disturbing invitation to vulnerable men and women; that are required to make only one small logical step into madness; if Jesus et al are most certainly coming back…why can’t it be?
 Quoting: GDW 951671


BUT YOU CAN

BE JESUS OR DIE

THE FREEMASONS KILLED HIM AND NOW ARE INJECTING MK ULTRA INTO HIS FOLLOWER
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<In the first set of scriptures, the Holy Ghost which comes from God demonstrates He is a convictor and teacher and that baptism would be needed, so they obeyed as a first step of their salvation.

Laying hands by godly men upon these people was an act of faith which resulted in the filling and sealing by the Holy Spirit, that He would not only be a convictor and teacher, but that He would remain in these people to guide them in their walk with the Lord.

The work of these new believers thereafter would be that they not grieve the Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:30, by failing to keep the Commandments.>


Though related, they are still two different things and I find your thread title very misleading.

The Holy Spirit does not come through water baptism. In several incindences, it was recieved prior to and in others it was recieved after with the laying on of hands.

Repenting and being baptized does not automatically fill you with the Holy Spirit.

Also, how could they be filled with the Holy Spirit when they hadn't been baptized since you said that baptism is the first step in their salvation?

If baptism were required for salvation, what about the thief on the cross?

I'm not dimminishing baptism, only pointing out that according to scripture, receiving the Holy Spirit is seperate and not dependent on it.
 Quoting: Rev. Moon Jew


what holy spirit?
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<All Sabbaths must be kept including those Sabbaths set aside according to the Feasts. When we begin in faith to keep Sabbaths, then we begin understand the importance God places in rest for His people, which includes the special Sabbaths set aside in the Feasts as well. >


That's why I questioned about being baptized in a Penticostal Church. They also follow a grace only doctrine and that Yeshua did away with Law.


Another question regarding baptism.

According to the following passages, the Holy Spirit comes through prayer and the laying on of hands, not baptism.

Acts 8

 12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

 13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

 14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

 15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

 17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.


Acts 10

 44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

 45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

 47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

 48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


In the first set of scriptures, the Holy Ghost which comes from God demonstrates He is a convictor and teacher and that baptism would be needed, so they obeyed as a first step of their salvation.

Laying hands by godly men upon these people was an act of faith which resulted in the filling and sealing by the Holy Spirit, that He would not only be a convictor and teacher, but that He would remain in these people to guide them in their walk with the Lord.

The work of these new believers thereafter would be that they not grieve the Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:30, by failing to keep the Commandments.
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Oh stop it ..
When will you speak from your heart instead of quoting your silly little scripts that you have copied from some stupid dumb pastor whom you worship.
We are not stupid Pal. Bring on your wisdom.

I doubt you can. You Sir are a copy and paste Christian. A fraud and a wimp who hides behind a scripture that he does not even understand.
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Re: Important Message about Receiving the Gifts of the Spirit through Baptism
<All Sabbaths must be kept including those Sabbaths set aside according to the Feasts. When we begin in faith to keep Sabbaths, then we begin understand the importance God places in rest for His people, which includes the special Sabbaths set aside in the Feasts as well. >


That's why I questioned about being baptized in a Penticostal Church. They also follow a grace only doctrine and that Yeshua did away with Law.


Another question regarding baptism.

According to the following passages, the Holy Spirit comes through prayer and the laying on of hands, not baptism.

Acts 8

 12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

 13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

 14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

 15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

 17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.


Acts 10

 44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

 45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

 47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

 48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


In the first set of scriptures, the Holy Ghost which comes from God demonstrates He is a convictor and teacher and that baptism would be needed, so they obeyed as a first step of their salvation.

Laying hands by godly men upon these people was an act of faith which resulted in the filling and sealing by the Holy Spirit, that He would not only be a convictor and teacher, but that He would remain in these people to guide them in their walk with the Lord.

The work of these new believers thereafter would be that they not grieve the Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:30, by failing to keep the Commandments.



Oh stop it ..
When will you speak from your heart instead of quoting your silly little scripts that you have copied from some stupid dumb pastor whom you worship.
We are not stupid Pal. Bring on your wisdom.

I doubt you can. You Sir are a copy and paste Christian. A fraud and a wimp who hides behind a scripture that he does not even understand.
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agreed I don't see any capacity for original thought which would evidence someone actually understands what they are talking about. Instead it's always a verse shell game where they jump from verse to verse to support whatever conclusion they have been led to believe by those who first indoctrinated them into the religious mind control system.
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Re: Important Message about Receiving the Gifts of the Spirit through Baptism
<In the first set of scriptures, the Holy Ghost which comes from God demonstrates He is a convictor and teacher and that baptism would be needed, so they obeyed as a first step of their salvation.

Laying hands by godly men upon these people was an act of faith which resulted in the filling and sealing by the Holy Spirit, that He would not only be a convictor and teacher, but that He would remain in these people to guide them in their walk with the Lord.

The work of these new believers thereafter would be that they not grieve the Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:30, by failing to keep the Commandments.>


Though related, they are still two different things and I find your thread title very misleading.

The Holy Spirit does not come through water baptism. In several incindences, it was recieved prior to and in others it was recieved after with the laying on of hands.

Repenting and being baptized does not automatically fill you with the Holy Spirit.

Also, how could they be filled with the Holy Spirit when they hadn't been baptized since you said that baptism is the first step in their salvation?

If baptism were required for salvation, what about the thief on the cross?

I'm not dimminishing baptism, only pointing out that according to scripture, receiving the Holy Spirit is seperate and not dependent on it.
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Exactly.
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Re: Important Message about Receiving the Gifts of the Spirit through Baptism
The second set of scriptures, that is Acts 10:44-48, demonstrates again a conviction from hearing the Word of God, but they were not yet sealed with the permanent presence of the Holy Spirit, which was accomplished through their obedience in Baptism.


These scriptures demonstrate that our walk with the Lord is just that, a day-by-day obedience and staying close to Him by following all that He teaches.


So hearing the Word of God, Baptism, laying on of hands, obedience, walking with Him are all indicative of an ongoing special relationship with Him.


If you go into a church and walk out unchanged, then there is something terribly wrong with that church as it is clear these people lack the indwelling Holy Spirit and are therefore spiritually dead. That's why Elijah warns people to come out of these dead churches.


If a person wishes to be baptized and cannot find a spiritually-alive church, then they will have to seek the Lord in prayer to find His solution. The message that Elijah gives says he went into a church and was told by the Lord to get baptized. He did so, went out, and later received the Holy Spirit as evidenced by receiving one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.


God has a solution to a fervent prayer for all those who wish to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, and baptism is a part of it. The thief on the cross was one exception, or for that matter, an aged person upon his bed unable to get up, as was the case with my own father.

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Re: Important Message about Receiving the Gifts of the Spirit through Baptism
Paul was writing to a church in a predominately pagan community. The new Christians he was writing to were Gentile converts who were now following Hebrew customs which were much different from their pagan neighbors and family members. There were also Jewish converts that were still stuck in the legalism of the Pharasees and all their manmade rituals and laws invovling Sabbaths, food etc.

The next verse continues -

17which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body [is] of the Christ



Yes, I know that.

I was wondering how the scribe would reconcile that with his insistence on the observation of certain feast days or customs.
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The Sabbaths, Feasts, new moons, clean/unclean foods were established by YHWH. The Pharasees added all the petty ritual ordinances - these were the manmade laws.

The Sabbaths and Feasts were set by YHWH to be observed eternally.
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Thanks very much for the pin!

As I've mentioned, this is an mportant message to go out to the church, that is, those called by the Lord. The rest, unfortunately, will not understand.

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The second set of scriptures, that is Acts 10:44-48, demonstrates again a conviction from hearing the Word of God, but they were not yet sealed with the permanent presence of the Holy Spirit, which was accomplished through their obedience in Baptism.


These scriptures demonstrate that our walk with the Lord is just that, a day-by-day obedience and staying close to Him by following all that He teaches.


So hearing the Word of God, Baptism, laying on of hands, obedience, walking with Him are all indicative of an ongoing special relationship with Him.


If you go into a church and walk out unchanged, then there is something terribly wrong with that church as it is clear these people lack the indwelling Holy Spirit and are therefore spiritually dead. That's why Elijah warns people to come out of these dead churches.


If a person wishes to be baptized and cannot find a spiritually-alive church, then they will have to seek the Lord in prayer to find His solution. The message that Elijah gives says he went into a church and was told by the Lord to get baptized. He did so, went out, and later received the Holy Spirit as evidenced by receiving one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.


God has a solution to a fervent prayer for all those who wish to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, and baptism is a part of it. The thief on the cross was one exception, or for that matter, an aged person upon his bed unable to get up, as was the case with my own father.

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Thanks very much for the pin!

As I've mentioned, this is an mportant message to go out to the church, that is, those called by the Lord. The rest, unfortunately, will not understand.

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No prob. You guys save me a place in Heaven!
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The Sabbaths, Feasts, new moons, clean/unclean foods were established by YHWH. The Pharasees added all the petty ritual ordinances - these were the manmade laws.

The Sabbaths and Feasts were set by YHWH to be observed eternally.
 Quoting: Rev. Moon Jew


I think you are mixing the two issues here.

Certain ordinances were set up for the jews to observe, such as circumcision. This wasn't to be required as per the new covenant.

(Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avail anything, but a new creation).


Also the prohibition of certain foods.

First God said he gave every green herb for man to eat. Later he gave the beasts of the field. And then he said that no man should judge you in anything that you eat or drink.
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