The Day After Tomorrow hits it again: Gulf Stream has slowed to 1/4 of what it was only 5 years ago

Let´s say that much of northern europe freezes over. Where does everybody think they´ll be moving to?

If I was in the U.K. , I´d be planning to move south to a more tropical destination.....its a whole lot better than becoming part of the permafrost...

The warnings and signs are obvious now..you dont need hollywood propaganda to see these signs either.

its now time to wake up and smell the coming ice age.

the gulf stream, rapid glacier melt, and unstable jetstreams should have told you that though.

your alarm bells should be RINGING.

Heh. The movie didn´t predict anything. From another article:

"Such a change has long been predicted by scientists but the new research is among the first to show clear experimental evidence of the phenomenon."

[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

Hollywood always gets its idea from somewhere else, whether they´re based in fact or not. Some of you seem to have a rather unhealthy fascination with disaster movies. I thought I was bad...

Iraq should be nice and temperate.

Warmer nations whose rivers are fed by mountain glaciers will also have hoards of people needing to relocate. Many places like in South America and China will turn to desert. You´d think with the pentagon´s global warming report that the USA would be doing things about this now. Like having people grown more of their food crops locally, cutting down on water consumption, tightening up the borders now while they still can, etc. But nada.

So what are they all planning?

Didn´t the queen buy up land in Nebraska? And Ted Turner too?

Is it now a race between cultures to see who gets the first wipeout bioweapon so their country can be in move-in condition? Could the chinese be the ones picking off our microbiologists?

Is this going to end up being a free for all for drinking water locales?

I´m surprised this hasn´t been flooded with doomers yet. Just to pre-empt the hysteria:

[link to www.wunderground.com]

Hey Gamer Boy, where did you get your AV title from?

hey climb422, the doomers are right, what part of ice age do you not understand...

wake up

but like they say

ignorance is bliss

lol. Boy you people are so defensive you´re not even thinking properly.

Where did I say any potential climate change *wouldn´t* be bad? Sure, it certainly won´t be good in the end, but it sure as hell isn´t going to be anything like the movie...

@9614: It translates to "Climhazzard", which comes from Final Fantasy VII, an RPG for the Playstation.

how do you know gameboy?

man understands .00009% of the cosmos...its simply best guess...

actually it may play out exactly like the movie or even worse.

dont let your ego get in the way of your survival.

you know nothing...nada.....zilch

go play some video games you zombie

Move to Michigan where just a few weeks ago we had a snowstorm. Late April. 1 foot of snow ++. I had to shovel my driveway, dammit!

I was a ´believer´ in global warming for a more years than I care to admit, but I gotta tell ya´. After a few years in a row scraping ice off my windshield in late April, I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT IS THE BIGGEST SCAM EVER.

But hey, don´t believe me. Move to Michigan!

If there is global warming, I sure would like some here...

You seem to be confusing Earth with the universe. Just because we know, according to your random number, only .00009% of the universe, doesn´t mean we know only .00009% of how weather on our planet works.

Nice try at playing the numbers, though. Keep it up and someone might actually believe you.

Is it really not enough for you that *something* bad might happen? Does it *have* to play out just like the movie to satisfy your ego, or is it just so you can act smug and say, "I told you so"?

Yeah, I know... you´ve been ridiculed for so long you´re just *dying* for the opportunity to stand on the corpses of your perceived "enemies" and proclaim victory.

The Mormons have bought a chunk of land in central Nebraska...

And the mormons run the boy scouts of america. In the denver airport murals it is a blonde white boy scout who is beating the swords of the world into ploughshares.

Oh please... Gold? Sounds like a scam, especially when marketted to survivalists. If disaster strikes, people aren´t going to be wanting shiny metal. They´ll be bartering for things they can actually use to survive.

And I love how you have your affiliate ID attached to every one of those links. Trying to be a good little capitalist, are we?

climhazzard, you make the typical debunker mistake of thinking that your mainstream thinking is correct when it comes to phenomenon modern science has not experienced.

my intuition tells me that mother nature is capable of so much more than your worst cat 5 hurricane and F5 tornado. We are living in a relatively calm cycle of this planet which has allowed people like us to build "civilization" and thrive.

the great tsunami of 2004 was a small taste of what nature is capable of. That took a quarter million lives in an hour. greater calamaties are around the corner for this world, but you will likely bury your head in the sand, like most. Too dumbfounded by the horrible truth that we didn´t think it could get this bad. uh, did I say "we?" I meant, people like you.

dave

Dave! *snaps fingers in front of your face*

Pay attention! Read my posts! Think!

If this gets worse, it will get worse. Things will get a fair bit colder. It´ll suck hard I´m not arguing that, but there will be *no* superstorms like the ones in TDAT. It´s just not possible. The superstorms in the movie involved *massive* amounts of atmospheric energy. Just one of them would be impossible to sustain, and doubly so over land. Hurricanes lose strength when their eye makes landfall. There´s no reason why an identical system, but on a larger scale, would operate any differently...

And who´s the fool here? The person who bases their ideas on accepted science, or the person who bases them on Hollywood special effects?

there is nothing to think about in your post gameboy!

its all speculation....

and who wants your amateur little opinion ....


go back to playing RPG´s and videogames geek.

" It´ll suck hard" lol what are you 13...that would make sense considering the brainpower of your posts..

Hey now, the guy has some valid points. I happen to disagree with him but counter his argument with logic, not ad hominem attacks like "Gameboy". The guy is more persuasive than you, and I´m on your team.

IF the Gulf Stram ceases to flow the lake effect snow in North America simply won´t go away. It will begin building up on Labrador and just expand. Glaciation will eventually occur. Most people can agree on that, the issue is the timeline. The immediate impact will be most noticable in N America on the east coast. As ice advances the central portions will get ferocious winters or not depending on the jet stream. That´s what really causes problems here as it pulls arctic air down into the continent. I would expect serious problems to emerge within 5 years of such an event. It may be wise to buy a few dozen pails of flour and such while it´s still cheap.

a 50 lb bag of rice will be worth more then a bar of gold.

Strieber´s article is

Read the original London Times article he links to if you don´t believe me.

Strieber has, in typical pseudoscientific, sensationalistic fashion, completely misinterpreted the scientists´ findings.

His bias (as well as the scientists´) towards expectiong rapid, dramatic global climate change has obviously affected his ability to read properly.

And then there is the whole flawed logic behind this London Times article, never mind how Strieber interpreted it...

I already wrote a whole piece on this on another forum:

[link to communities.anomalies.net]

This scenario is based on Art Bell and Whitley Streiber´s book "the Coming Global Superstorm" which the movie was based on. I read it about 6 years ago, it was very believable but the source isn´t.

You mean THIS Times article?


[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]


"The Sunday Times - Britain



May 08, 2005

Britain faces big chill as ocean current slows
Jonathan Leake, Science Editor



CLIMATE change researchers have detected the first signs of a slowdown in the Gulf Stream — the mighty ocean current that keeps Britain and Europe from freezing.

They have found that one of the “engines” driving the Gulf Stream — the sinking of supercooled water in the Greenland Sea — has weakened to less than a quarter of its former strength.



The weakening, apparently caused by global warming, could herald big changes in the current over the next few years or decades. Paradoxically, it could lead to Britain and northwestern and Europe undergoing a sharp drop in temperatures.

Such a change has long been predicted by scientists but the new research is among the first to show clear experimental evidence of the phenomenon.

Peter Wadhams, professor of ocean physics at Cambridge University, hitched rides under the Arctic ice cap in Royal Navy submarines and used ships to take measurements across the Greenland Sea.

“Until recently we would find giant ‘chimneys’ in the sea where columns of cold, dense water were sinking from the surface to the seabed 3,000 metres below, but now they have almost disappeared,” he said.

“As the water sank it was replaced by warm water flowing in from the south, which kept the circulation going. If that mechanism is slowing, it will mean less heat reaching Europe.”

Such a change could have a severe impact on Britain, which lies on the same latitude as Siberia and ought to be much colder. The Gulf Stream transports 27,000 times more heat to British shores than all the nation’s power supplies could provide, warming Britain by 5-8C.

Wadhams and his colleagues believe, however, that just such changes could be well under way. They predict that the slowing of the Gulf Stream is likely to be accompanied by other effects, such as the complete summer melting of the Arctic ice cap by as early as 2020 and almost certainly by 2080. This would spell disaster for Arctic wildlife such as the polar bear, which could face extinction.

Wadhams’s submarine journeys took him under the North Polar ice cap, using sonar to survey the ice from underneath. He has measured how the ice has become 46% thinner over the past 20 years. The results from these surveys prompted him to focus on a feature called the Odden ice shelf, which should grow out into the Greenland Sea every winter and recede in summer.

The growth of this shelf should trigger the annual formation of the sinking water columns. As sea water freezes to form the shelf, the ice crystals expel their salt into the surrounding water, making it heavier than the water below.

However, the Odden ice shelf has stopped forming. It last appeared in full in 1997. “In the past we could see nine to 12 giant columns forming under the shelf each year. In our latest cruise, we found only two and they were so weak that the sinking water could not reach the seabed,” said Wadhams, who disclosed the findings at a meeting of the European Geosciences Union in Vienna.

The exact effect of such changes is hard to predict because currents and weather systems take years to respond and because there are two other areas around the north Atlantic where water sinks, helping to maintain circulation. Less is known about how climate change is affecting these.

However, Wadhams suggests the effect could be dramatic. “One of the frightening things in the film The Day After Tomorrow showed how the circulation in the Atlantic Ocean is upset because the sinking of cold water in the north Atlantic suddenly stops,” he said.

“The sinking is stopping, albeit much more slowly than in the film — over years rather than a few days. If it continues, the effect will be to cool the climate of northern Europe.”

One possibility is that Europe will freeze; another is that the slowing of the Gulf Stream may keep Europe cool as global warming heats the rest of the world — but with more extremes of weather."

Ha ha is this why oil is rising again? Just think, BP can triple their profits over this.

correction the end of europe is nigh.

Maybe JUST maybe we will get some divine intervention to get this world out of the mess it is in.

People have closed minds to what is really going on. They would rather just sit back and do nothing and blind themselves from all the hurt and pain that is really going on.

Time to wake up folks before it is to late.

britain had its harshest winter for about 50 years, and the temps are WELL below average. It even snowed in mid April! Temps were down to freezing point last night, and were well into MAY!

One major change ive noticed this year, is a shift in the prevaling winds. Ive never known britain to get so much winds from the East and North East(A.K.A Siberia).

maybe this has somthing to do with the gulf stream slow down.