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User ID: 970240 United States 05/16/2010 06:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Electrical tape. ..."The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose, what you think, and what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny ... it is the light that guides your way." Heraclitus |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 937926 United Kingdom 05/16/2010 06:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look at the anchorage points of the kobe suspension bridge each is 298 meters tall and weighs 350.000 tons, make another one and sink it in position and then fill it with concrete, because concrete is warm it wont freeze and 350.000 tons should be enough to "nail the fucker down" (technical term) [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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User ID: 969131 United States 05/16/2010 06:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's fine...I do have a sense of humor and I'm glad you didn't do that! LOL!!! It's all good. Quoting: Lady WolfBut all joking aside, you really ought to submit your idea, as it's a very good one I think! And as I said, you could always use a throw away email addy in case they need to contact you? Or you could just call from a pay phone and not give them any other info on you. Either way, your idea should not go to waste. Shit. If you only knew how many layers of anonymity I already cloak myself in... When I said: Done! in that earlier post? I did it. I wouldn't give a real name, 'cuz it isn't something that I would ever do for ME, but it's something He would do for all of us. That's so Out There, I know. But, there are a lot of times that WE, us individually, don't make any difference ~ and I'm THAT. I'm an Extra in this Action Movie of Life. I'm real, but none of this affects me. It doesn't make any difference in my time/life. dylan ~ Things Have Changed I'm 55 years old, okay? In my lifetime, I've watched folks go down (read that: DIE) for having a different opinion; I've watched a fucking ghetto shoot out, that actually came INTO my house, left one dead on the front lawn, and another in the hospital. My dad fucking murdered my mom, and, to add insult to injury, made me watch her die a slow death. A lover, who knew I was preg with his twins (he was one of a triplets) snuck me 'cid, knowing that I would abort because of it (I'm a nurse, too ~ there are a LOT of things I "am," so don't freak out when I speak as though I know what I'm talking about, okay?), and THEN, proposed to me, WHILE we were flying. It was one of the happiest moments of my life, but it was all just a fucking lie, to get me to do something. Life fucking SUX. And, then, you find God, and realize the truth. This place kind-of-ly SUX. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 937926 United Kingdom 05/16/2010 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The foundations of the two main towers of the AKB are structurally vital in that they transfer the approximately 120,000-tons of downward load from the huge main towers to the supporting ground. "The most challenging parts of the bridge's construction were physical," said Cooper. "First, designing a bridge at the threshold of a 2,000-m main span length that could carry a significant live load using advanced traditional materials or high strength steels while working under severe constraints imposed by the environment including tidal currents of up to 4.5-m-per-second, winds up to 8-m- per-second and tectonic activity at the bridge site." Strong currents (4.5-m-per-second), deep water (110 m), wind and waves are what workers battled when it came to laying and completing the foundations for AKB's main towers. Designed to transmit the 120,000-ton weight of the bridge from the support towers to the support ground, which is 60 m under water, excavation by a grab bucket dredger proved to be tedious. Additionally, the excavation process had to be within a vertical variation of /-10 cm for the caisson installation in order to prevent the foundation caissons from tilting. Manufactured beforehand, the caissons were towed to the site, submerged, filled with underwater and standard concrete and then sunk. "Due to the extremely demanding physical conditions of the Akashi Strait, special considerations had to be given to ensure navigational safety and environmental preservation," said Yoshikazu Fujiwara, president of HSBA. It took two days to set the caissons in place because careful attention was paid to the positioning of caissons and the sea level at each particular moment. Lasers and ultrasonic measuring devices were used to guarantee precise and accurate installation. A variety of high-tech equipment was introduced and new technologies and materials were developed especially for the construction work. For the foundations, a new type of underwater concrete, "underwater nondisintegration concrete," was developed. Advantageous in terms of fluidity and consistency, it can be poured for long distances without a weak layer forming on its surface. "Construction progressed steadily through comprehensive use of advanced bridging technology and where necessary the development of new technology," said Fujiwara. Constructing the anchorages Since the anchorages, which hold AKB in place, had to be constructed on the shores of the Strait. This was possible only after the work bases had been built on reclaimed land. According to the HSBA, the underground slurry wall method was employed for the 1A anchorage on the Kobe side and artificial bedrock was constructed, creating one of the largest bridge foundations in the world. For the 4A anchorage on the Awaji Island side, a spread foundation construction method using retaining walls was employed. The supporting stratum of the site was inclined both in the bridge axis direction and in the transverse direction. Because of this, retaining walls were installed in six layers of blocks fitting the contours of the site. For the 1A anchorages, retaining walls arranged in circular form were installed first and the soil inside these retaining walls was excavated in the open-air while the ground water inside was pumped out. A continuous underground wall with 92 sections of the same length was constructed using an excavator for continuous wall construction. Using this retaining wall, the 85-m-diam area was excavated. The excavation work was started at 2.5 m above sea level and reached 61 m below sea level, taking about 11 months in total to complete, during which approximately 330,000 cu m of soil was excavated. After the excavation, roller-compacted concrete was applied to make a foundation consolidated with the retaining wall. The supporting ground for the 4A anchorage was granite. Among the four foundations supporting the bridge, only this ground was strong enough to support the bridge by itself. This supporting ground, however, was slanted. Because of this, a spread foundation was chosen while stability was secured through structural design. In consideration of the fact that the supporting ground existed, 15-25 m below the surface level and that this was reclaimed land, a pillar- supported continuous retaining wall method was used. In this method, pillar piles are driven into the ground first to construct retaining walls and then the inside is excavated. Next came the installation of the cable anchor frame, a steel structure used to tie down a cable, that was eventually buried by cement in the anchorage. The main bodies of the anchorages, which support the tension of the cables, were made from highly workable concrete. This concrete, which is highly fluid and needed no compacting, greatly increased efficiency in casting and reduced construction time. [link to www.roadsbridges.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 942322 United States 05/16/2010 07:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1kton nuke. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 878385NO [link to www.physics.rutgers.edu] Catastrophic Methane Hydrate Release Mitigation This topic falls under the category of abrupt climate change as will be clear shortly. Methane hydrates or clathrates are combinations of water and methane in the form of an ice-like matrix. The methane is the result of the action of methanogenic bacteria on sediment over thousands of years. The methane is kept in an ice form where appropriate combinations of temperature and pressure exist. Methane hydrates are widespread in sea sediments hundreds of meters below the sea floor along the outer continental margins and are also found in Arctic permafrost. Some eposits are close to the ocean floor and at water depths as shallow as 150 m, although at low latitudes they are generally only found below 500 m. The deposits can be 300-600 m thick and cover large horizontal areas. A nearby deposit nearly 500 km in length is found along the Blake Ridge off the coast of N.C. at depths of 2000-4000 m. The total quantity of methane hydrates in the ocean sediment is estimated to be around 10,000 GtC. The methane hydrates in sediment considered part of U.S. territory alone could supply U.S. natural gas needs for 1000 years. Because of this enormous quantity, methane hydrates are being investigated as an energy source to replace petroleum and conventional sources of natural gas, although an extraction technology for ocean sediments does not presently exist. There is some evidence that massive releases of methane from ocean sediment hydrate deposits may have been indirectly responsible for ending some of the ice ages. Were such releases to occur today because of warming of the oceans or as a result of seismic events, the result could be a sudden rise in atmospheric temperature, triggering feedback mechanisms that might lead to rapid melting of polar ice. In the slides, the example of a 1 GtC release was used. That represents 0.01% of the total methane hydrates in the ocean. The quantity degassed to the atmosphere 15,000 years ago, at the end of the last ice age is now believed to be around 4 GtC as methane or 0.04%. The average temperature of the Earth increased from 30°F to 60°F within a few decades. The radiative forcing from the methane alone would have been insufficient to cause more than a 3°F increase. It is thought that feedback effects from additional methane released from melting permafrost, carbon dioxide and water vapor contributed to the rest of the warming. But the initial methane hydrate release from the ocean may have been the catalyst. All of the conditions that may have led to the methane hydrate release 15,000 years ago do not exist today. Sea levels were much lower and thus, the pressure on the sediments was less. However, there is some evidence that ocean currents that impinge on ocean sediments are getting warmer, especially in the Arctic. Global warming is thus a possible triggering mechanism for massive methane hydrate release in today’s climate. What causes release of methane hydrates is still poorly understood. Warm waters may destabilize the hydrate zone. Hydrates on the surface of the ocean floor on a ridge may then degass. The sediment may then become unstable and slide down the ridge, exposing other layers of methane hydrate, accelerating the release. As an example, the Storegga slump off the coast of Norway 8000 years ago could have released between 1 and 4 GtC as methane. Alternatively, an undersea earthquake today, say off the Blake Ridge or the coast of Japan or California might loosen and cause some of the sediment to slide down the ridge or slump, exposing the hydrate layer to the warmer water. That in turn could cause a chain reaction of events, leading to the release of massive quantities of methane. Another possibility is drilling and other activities related to exploration and recovery of methane hydrates as an energy resource. The hydrates tend to occur in the pores of sediment and help to bind it together. Attempting to remove the hydrates may cause the sediment to collapse and release the hydrates. So, it may not take thousands of years to warm the ocean and the sediments enough to cause massive releases, only lots of drilling rigs. Returning to the 4 GtC release scenario, assume such a release occurs over a oneyear period sometime in the next 50 years as result of slope failure. According to the Report of the Methane Hydrate Advisory Committee, “Catastrophic slope failure appears to be necessary to release a sufficiently large quantity of methane rapidly enough to be transported to the atmosphere without significant oxidation or dissolution.” In this event, methane will enter the atmosphere as methane gas. It will have a residence time of several decades and a global warming potential of 62 times that of carbon dioxide over a 20-year period. This would be the equivalent of 248 GtC as carbon dioxide or 31 times the annual man-made GHG emissions of today. Put another way, this would have the impact of nearly 30 years worth of GHG warming all at once. The result would almost certainly be a rapid rise in the average air temperature, perhaps as much as 3°F immediately. This might be tolerable if that’s as far as things go. But, just like 15,000 years ago, if the feedback mechanisms kick in, we can expect rapid melting of Greenland and Antarctic ice and an overall temperature increase of 30°F. For point of reference, the average temperature of the Earth (atmosphere, land and top layer of the ocean) in 2004 is around 60°F. The methane hydrate release projected here would raise the temperature to around 90°F or more. Such high temperatures would undoubtedly destabilize all of the other methane hydrates in the ocean and arctic permafrost, some 10,000 GtC or 620,000 GtC equivalent as carbon dioxide. This would have the impact of 78,000 years worth of GHG warming over a few decades. The temperatures reached and sustained would most likely cause a rapid die off in ocean phytoplankton and other sea life as well as most land plants and animals, including humans. The result would be a mass extinction and mark a major transition point in the Earth’s geological history. Although a 1000 or 10,000 GtC methane release in one year or over several decades is very unlikely, a 4 GtC release is entirely plausible. Even if the feedback mechanisms that were operative 15,000 years ago became partly active, the outcome could be just as disastrous as the scenario outlined above. Gaskill said that if any massive releases of methane from methane hydrates were to occur, attempts should be made to ignite and burn the methane gas at the ocean’s surface. By converting the methane to carbon dioxide, the threat of abrupt climate change is reduced by a factor of 62, to less than one-years worth of GHG emissions. Even if the mitigation effort is only partly successful, say 75% is converted to carbon dioxide, the remaining methane, equivalent to an 8-year pulse of all present day GHG emissions in a single year might still spell trouble, but it would be far preferable to the nightmare scenarios outlined above. Combustion could be accomplished by aerial release and ignition of distillate fuel over the area where the methane is entering the atmosphere. There are several potential problems with this approach. The area to be covered may be too large to effectively treat in this way. Advection may also make continuous burning difficult. Dr. MacCracken pointed out that the methane level in the air at the surface might be too low to ignite. This would, of course depend on how fast the gas is being released. Regardless, the potential for massive methane release from sediments represents such a significant threat that emergency mitigation plans like the one suggested here need to be prepared. The Methane Hydrate Research and Development Act of 2000, Public Law 106-193 does not address such catastrophic scenarios and we are unaware of anyone working on such plans ========================================================== [link to www.aade.org] AADE-03-NTCE-04 Methane Hydrate as a Future Energy Source: Framing the Debate As stated in the Congressional Research Service website: “Sea floor stability refers to the susceptibility of the sea floor to collapse and slide as the result of gas hydrate disassociation. The safety issue refers to petroleum drilling and production hazards that may occur in association with gas hydrates in both offshore and onshore environments. The safety issue affects current oil and gas production as well as being of concern to possible hydrate development in the future” (Ref. 2). Some of the ancillary problems attributable to Methane Hydrate dissociation are also manifested in conventional oil and gas drilling and production operations. Seafloor stability therefore becomes a major hurdle to overcome. In fact, some believe that many current conventional deepwater surface operations could result in seafloor instability, and even seafloor collapse as a result of Methane Hydrate dissociations. Several events could occur and cannot be ignored: § Uncontrolled gas releases during drilling. § Collapse of well casings, and gas leakage to the surface. § Subsidence of general sea floor infrastructures, including pipelines. § Dissociation of Methane Hydrate while cementing due to exothermic reactions. § Dissociation of Methane Hydrate while producing due to the higher temperature of produced fluids from deeper horizons. In the marine environment, gas leakage to the surface around the outside of the well casing may result in local sea floor subsidence and the loss of support for foundations of drilling platforms. The industry has conducted seminars regarding some of these issues, and considers some of the safety related issues to be crucial to the development of conventional deepwater hydrocarbon resources 9. Seafloor Stability: This is possibly the greatest hurdle related to Methane Hydrate development. Reservoir subsidence is already an enormous problem in conventional oil and gas production. In some cases, even very deep reservoir subsidence has been transferred to the surface. Given that Methane Hydrate provides the cementation matrix mechanism for very soft muds and sands, then it follows that recovery of significant amounts of Methane Hydrate could result not only in subsidence, but possibly catastrophic reservoir collapse, eventually manifesting itself at the seabed. In the example of the Mallik cores, it is interesting to note that the Methane Hydrate product was indicated as high as 80% by volume ================================================= [link to www-eaps.mit.edu] Oceanic Methane Hydrates : An Unconventional Energy Resource Methane hydrate is an ice-like form of methane and water that is stable at the pressure and temperature conditions characteristic of permafrost areas and marine sediments on continental margins. By volume, methane hydrate concentrates methane by more than 100 times compared to gaseous methane at standard temperature and pressure. The high concentrations of methane in gas hydrate deposits and the relative accessibility of gas hydrates render them an attractive target for exploration for unconventional hydrocarbon resources. The huge potential size of this energy source has sparked interest from the U.S., Japan, India, and other countries. The destabilization of methane hydrate deposits may also exacerbate global warming events and contribute to seafloor collapse or large submarine landslides. Our research in gas hydrates includes: (1) ocean drilling and multidisciplinary oceanographic expeditions that use physical, chemical, and biological measurements to quantify fluid and energy fluxes in gas hydrate reservoirs; (2) first-principles numerical modeling to assess hydrate reservoir evolution, sediment clogging during gas hydrate formation, renewability of hydrate resources, and the impact of climate and tectonic/sedimentary events; and (3) collaborative laboratory measurements of the mechanical, thermal, electromagnetic, and seismic properties of silt, sand, and clay sediments containing synthetic gas hydrate. This image shows gas hydrate (white, ice-like material) that has formed under a rock overhang as methane bubbles are emitted at the seafloor (bottom of photo). This photo, which is approximately 1 m across, was taken by the Alvin submarine at ~2150 m water depth during a cruise to the Blake Ridge (Atlantic Ocean, offshore the Southeastern U.S.A.) in 2001. Normally, gas hydrate forms in the sediments, not near the seafloor. Contact: Carolyn Ruppel ([email protected]), 54-316 Research Geophysicist, U.S.G.S., National Methane Hydrates Program, Woods Hole, MA Visiting Scientist, ERL, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences, MIT |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 942322 United States 05/16/2010 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about sinking an old war ship on top of it? My husband seems to think this is a viable option Quoting: Little Green Apples 972105Well, I have heard about sinking a AirCraft Carrier on top BUT if you do that, and it doesnt work, then you have a sunken aircraft carrier on top of it... Plus you need to understand, this isnt on the seafloor, this is coming from the riser that is 4 stories tall |
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User ID: 969131 United States 05/16/2010 08:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hara Kiri would be honourable. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812524FUCK! Hari kari is a SPOKEN word. Seppuku is the WRITTEN term for the same concept. You aren't SPEAKING, pal ~ you're TYPING written words. And do you even realize that you could switch your keyboard to be the characters of another language? THIS is what I'm fucking talking about: Now that I said ^that^, a bunch of y'all think that if you just change the keyboard format, it will TRANSLATE what you've written into another language. It won't, but here's the thang: WHY did you ever even THINK that? THAT is what is wrong with "school." You aren't learning to think, you aren't LEARNING anything useful, you're just subscribing to the mind fuck. That's a sad commentary on our society ~ if you get Good Grades, you're a brainwashed sheeple; BUT, if you don't get the grades, you're a fool for not being able to "play the system." WTF??? Now, we can't trust smart folks, NOR "dumb" ones??? (See Mind Fuck, above. Google it ~ shit DOES come up for that search term. The voice of experience.) This place kind-of-ly SUX. |
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Uriel User ID: 918568 United States 05/16/2010 09:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BP is desperate and open to suggestions from the public! Now is your chance to help with this catastrophe. Quoting: ApostleCitizenClick on the link and look on the right side for the SUGGESTIONS LINK. [link to www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com] Drill deep enough next to the pipe line to insert and explosive. If deep enough, the explosive will cave the earth/rock around the pipe sealing it, and the pressure from the ocean and the caved in earth/rock, should counteract the pressure from the oil below. |
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User ID: 789642 United States 05/16/2010 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well for the clean up, I definately recommend SHAM WOW. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 909667someone did yesterday..:) they do have something like that, but it's only used in smaller area's, like creeks and back waters.. you would not beleive the stuff they have to soak corral and suck this stuff up with.. most are done in a way to save/reuse the oil.. |
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User ID: 969131 United States 05/16/2010 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well for the clean up, I definately recommend SHAM WOW. Quoting: ceawavessomeone did yesterday..:) they do have something like that, but it's only used in smaller area's, like creeks and back waters.. you would not beleive the stuff they have to soak corral and suck this stuff up with.. most are done in a way to save/reuse the oil.. But, of COURSE! It's a BIZ enity, and profit is the bottom line. In order to slake a loss, ways must be found to turn that loss into SOME sort of profit margin. Do y'all NOT understand basic MATH??? NO fucking business on God's green earth just kisses off a loss ~ ways are FOUND to salvage the situation. And when it's THIS easy to grab back some of what you've lost, you may rest assured that the Major Corps are On It. Shit, look what they did to us with derivatives. They're smart, but they don't have common sense. They try to lead us away from knowing truth, into thinking lies. But we DO know basic math, and we're NOT going for Biz As Usual, and we SURE aren't believing the shit they throw out to us. Well, I mean, I HOPE and PRAY that last, but I wEnder... This place kind-of-ly SUX. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 972212 United States 05/16/2010 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | its over goes the elites have declared war agianst other since 9/11 game over its tick for tack till they become the worst satan on the face of this planet Quoting: Anonymous Coward 947925you can prsy all you want but if there is 3 billion humans dieing on this planet imagine can you imagine your life has been for shit to keep there cloud afloat? When i hear that song it instills such serene peaceful feeling inside.....awesome....one of the best songs EVER! |
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