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17 May 2010

Doctors have denounced homeopathy as witchcraft which should not be supported by the taxpayer and the National Health Service.


Hundreds of members at the British Medical Association’s annual conference of junior doctors have passed a motion attacking the alternative medicine and other remedies they claim have no scientific basis to support them.

The BMA has previously expressed scepticism about homeopathy, arguing that the rationing body, the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, should examine the available evidence and make a definitive ruling about the use of the remedies in the NHS.

Junior doctors have now gone one step further with a vote last week overwhelmingly supporting a blanket ban and an end to all placements that teach homeopathic principles.

Dr Tom Dolphin, deputy chairman of the BMA’s junior doctors committee in England, told the conference: “Homeopathy is witchcraft. It is a disgrace that nestling between the National Hospital for Neurology and Great Ormond Street [in London] there is a homeopathic hospital paid for by the NHS”.

Gordon Lehany, chairman of the BMA’s junior doctors committee in Scotland, said it was wrong that some junior doctors were spending part of their training rotations in homeopathic hospitals, learning principles that had no place in science.

He told the conference in London: “At a time, when the NHS is struggling for cash, we should be focusing on treatments that have proven benefit. If people wish to pay for homeopathy that’s their choice, but it shouldn’t be paid for on the NHS until there is evidence that it works.”

The motion was supported by BMA chairman Dr Hamish Meldrum, although it will only become official policy of the whole organisation if it is agreed by their full conference next month.

Homeopathy, an alternative medicine practice devised in the 18th century by the German physician Samuel Hahnemann, is based on a theory that substances that cause symptoms in a healthy person can, when vastly diluted, cure the same problems in a sick person.

Latest figures show 54,000 patients are treated each year at four NHS homeopathic hospitals in Glasgow, London, Bristol and Liverpool, at an estimated cost of £4 million. A fifth hospital in Tunbridge Wells in Kent was forced to close last year when local NHS funders stopped paying for treatments.

In February a report by MPs said public money should no longer be spent on the alternative medicine. The Commons Science and Technology Committee said the idea behind homeopathy, of treating a patient with highly diluted substances to trigger the body’s natural system of healing, was implausible.

In evidence to the committee, the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain said there was no possible reason why such treatments, marketed by an industry worth £40m in this country, could be effective scientifically.

Advocates of homeopathy include Dr Jan de Vries, who in February called on the Scottish Government to safeguard the future of Scotland’s only homeopathic hospital in Glasgow. De Vries said removing funds from the institution would take away the public’s right to make their own choice on healthcare.

Crystal Sumner, chief executive of the British Homeopathic Association (BHA), said attempts to stop the NHS funding alternative medicines ignored the views of the public, especially patients with chronic conditions.

“Thousands of people, who are not helped by conventional care, rely on homeopathy in the UK annually, and millions worldwide,” she said. “That this group of junior doctors is willing to vilify something they haven’t even broached to understand, I think speaks more about the doctors themselves.

“It says more about them living in some kind of dark age. Homeopathy is not witchcraft, it has been around for 200 years. Millions of people depend on it as their first level of medication, because they don’t have conventional medicines available.”
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Fucking A.
Homeopathy is utter bullshit.

Homeopathy cannot pass the double blind test... the standard test for any medication.
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potkettle

Apparently they don't like competition
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Apparently they don't like competition rockon
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Water memory is complete and utter bullcrap for weak minded people without even a basic understanding of the world around them.
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Fucking A.
Homeopathy is utter bullshit.

Homeopathy cannot pass the double blind test... the standard test for any medication.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 973643

Natural plant cures and clay work.Why do you think big pharma can't stand natural cures?Because they work.
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potkettle

Apparently they don't like competition
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People better start looking for alternative medicines. Soundhealth with Sharry Edwards is the direction I have turned. I believe that sound is the next medicine.

Look up thermage, I thought it was lazar but NOPE it's sound and does a face lift without surgery. White coats are a thing of the past and I quit going to them for anything other than emergency. But I really believe sound technologies are going to change that.
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Fucking A.
Homeopathy is utter bullshit.

Homeopathy cannot pass the double blind test... the standard test for any medication.
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Please put up a link that shows any chemo drug that passed this standard.
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NATURE IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE WAY. people are blind to think otherwise.
We have finally come back to the pre-Socratic philosopher Heraclitus, who said everything is flow, flux, process. There are no "things." Bruce Lee
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Fucking A.
Homeopathy is utter bullshit.

Homeopathy cannot pass the double blind test... the standard test for any medication.

Please put up a link that shows any chemo drug that passed this standard.
 Quoting: tungfumastR NLI 519387


Homeopathy cannot pass the double blind test because it works completely different from conventional medications. The whole premise is different, from the potencies to the way it is practiced. Homeopathic remedies are chosen for a whole picture of a patient. The practitioner examines the patient and asks a variety of questions and everything from the medical history, the patient's present physical and emotional state, and the patient's psyche are taken into account for a prescription.

So, if you have 30 people with asthma, you could potentially use 30 different remedies. This makes it difficult to do a study, when prescriptions are for the individual as an entire entity rather than for the disease or symptom.

For a really interesting read about this, check out this book.
[link to www.amazon.com]

It tells the story of how the AMA came about, as an opposing force to homeopathy.
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More people die every day from conventional medicine than through homeopathy.
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17 May 2010

Doctors have denounced homeopathy as witchcraft which should not be supported by the taxpayer and the National Health Service.

Homeopathy, an alternative medicine practice devised in the 18th century by the German physician Samuel Hahnemann, is based on a theory that substances that cause symptoms in a healthy person can, when vastly diluted, cure the same problems in a sick person.

In February a report by MPs said public money should no longer be spent on the alternative medicine. The Commons Science and Technology Committee said the idea behind homeopathy, of treating a patient with highly diluted substances to trigger the body’s natural system of healing, was implausible.

In evidence to the committee, the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain said there was no possible reason why such treatments, marketed by an industry worth £40m in this country, could be effective scientifically.

Crystal Sumner, chief executive of the British Homeopathic Association (BHA), said attempts to stop the NHS funding alternative medicines ignored the views of the public, especially patients with chronic conditions.

“Thousands of people, who are not helped by conventional care, rely on homeopathy in the UK annually, and millions worldwide,” she said. “That this group of junior doctors is willing to vilify something they haven’t even broached to understand, I think speaks more about the doctors themselves.

“It says more about them living in some kind of dark age. Homeopathy is not witchcraft, it has been around for 200 years. Millions of people depend on it as their first level of medication, because they don’t have conventional medicines available.”
[link to www.heraldscotland.com]
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Just read the highlighted parts in the quote above; that is my opening paragraph.

Further, I am trained in Homeopathy by the British Institute of Homeopathy and what they have reported in this article is NOT the entire story of Homeopathy. Much of it has to do with minerals and vitamins, and herbal tinctures.

The idea that "The Commons Science and Technology Committee said the idea behind homeopathy, of treating a patient with highly diluted substances to trigger the body’s natural system of healing, was implausible." should be pushed back into their faces the next time they get on the bandwagon for vaccinations for the flu, et all.

Fundementally the reason this is coming up is this:

the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain said there was no possible reason why such treatments, marketed by an industry worth £40m in this country, could be effective scientifically.

Big Pharma doesn't like competition pure and simple, and EVIL.

Just another "Mark of the Beast" controlling the world, right before your eyes.
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Homeopathy works for us.
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I have tried homeopathic remedies for a couple of different things, and was very pleased with the results, for me, the remedies were effective, I also used some for my cat, and thought the results were good too.

The homeopathic doctor posting above, says when they treat people in a homeopathic hospital they do other nutritional, dietary, herbal, etc. therapies, which I would 100% rather have than any kind of pharmaceutical drugs, in fact count me out for the drugs entirely, unless they are completely unavoidable in a dire emergency, but for any degenerative condition I am 100% in favor of natural health and so-called "alternative" treatments. Drugs are dangerous, they kill people every day, they are expensive, and not effective either in my opinion, I don't want any part of them.
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If water has a memory, then homeopathy is...
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Making money off the Placebo Effect isn't witchcraft, it's just mundane fraud.
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tell that crap to the Queen, and see what happens . .

if it's good enough for the not so little Princes, I'll bite too.
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Making money off the Placebo Effect isn't witchcraft, it's just mundane fraud.
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How do you explain placebo effect in animal patients?
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THEY WOULDN,T BE SAYING ANYTHING, REASON WHY THEY ARE IS BECAUSE ALL THEIR LIES ALL BIG PHARMA LIES, AND ALL THE PILLS AND TREATMENTS THEY HAVE DOCTORS PUSHING, IS WHAT IS MAKING PEOPLE SICK, AND SICKER, IN A LOT OF CASES, THIS ISN,T ABOUT HEALTHCARE, THIS IS ABOUT MONEY, AND HOW THEY WANT ALL OF YOUR MONEY, THEY WANT YOU TO BE TAKING ALL THE POISONS, YOU NEVER NEEDED IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND HEADS UP, MOST OF THE CONS, ARE HAPPENING AT THE DIAGNOSTIC LEVEL, AIDS IS BUNK ONE PRIME EXAMPLE HOW THEY SUCK YOU IN. YOU TAKE JIM HUMBLES MMS1 AND MMS2, FOR 1 WEEK, YOU WILL TEST NEGATIVE FOR HIV AIDS, AND HEPATITIS, ANY TEST ANYWHERE ,IN THE WORLD.GUARANTEED. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS MOST AILMENTS AND DISEASES HAVE BEEN CURED SINCE 1922, WHEN THEY LEARNED ABOUT MMS2 HYPOCHLOROUS ACID. CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF. SO THEY LIE AND THEY LIE, THEY ARE NOW INVENTING ILLNESSES TO KEEP THE CASH FLOWING, BY MAKING PEOPLE SICK, PRESCRIBING DRUGS, AND PILLS THEY NEVER NEEDED IN THE FIRST PLACE.THEY ARE CREAT1NG DIABETICS, CANCER, BRAIN DISORDERS, HORMONE DISORDERS , THE LIST GOES ON AND ON, ALL TO KEEP THE CASH COMING.FRAUD, AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND DOWN RIGHT LYING IS NOW RAMPANT IN MEDICINE. THE CORRUPTION IS OUT OF CONTROL.
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He told the conference in London: “At a time, when the NHS is struggling for cash, we should be focusing on treatments that have proven benefit. If people wish to pay for homeopathy that’s their choice, but it shouldn’t be paid for on the NHS until there is evidence that it works.”

Perhaps this same thing should apply to allopathic medicine as well. No pay unless it works and not just a fraction of percent of people treated.
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What does eating an herb have to do with a religion?

WTF is this? the Dark Ages?
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potkettle

Apparently they don't like competition
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hear, hear!
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Fricking terrific. Guess they'll be getting out the torches, rope and posts againthwak
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Making money off the Placebo Effect isn't witchcraft, it's just mundane fraud.


How do you explain placebo effect in animal patients?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 957306

better, what do you call medications that pass approval and are less effective than the placebo effect?

btw, the placebo effect is real. so is the nocebo effect - believing a thing wont help. the mind must accept anything before the body will follow.
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OMG, lol, where do the trolls come from?! They jumped on this like white on rice.

Homeopathy is AMAZING. I have been treated by a homeopath who is also an MD, and I was cured of a wicked infection in TWO HOURS.

Allopathy and big pharma attack homeopathy because they don't control it and make money off of it.

The remark about witchcraft was really rich! Modern allopathy is the CULT medicine of old.





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