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BP refuses to stop using Toxic Dispersant

 
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thanks snark.....
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FUCK bp!
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happily it will remove the Red Tide Alga Pfiesteria piscicida

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unfortunately BP is in charge for a few different reasons.

1. They only have to pay 75million for clean up. The rest is voluntary. I am sure they have made that very clear to the government.

2. If the government agencies take over and something goes wrong, if you think BP can spin this for good, see what they do then. The warning was put out about the other dispersant, imagine how the sheeple will react when BP starts a smear campaign against the EPA.

3. The have put up a line and told the US government that if they cross it, they own it.

Unfortunately, with sheeple (see all the Obama bashing), if the government takes over, immediately half the country will be attacking them for how they are doing it wrong, and a small push will bring enough over to kill the existing government in future elections.

BP acts on this spill for monetary reasons.

The government acts on this for political reasons. (the republitards would do the same)

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Excellent analysis. In my view, both BP and GOVT are screwed either way, because although both may conceal the true facts about the extent of the spill, they won't be able to contain the unprecedented damage as it manifests in the Gulf and beyond for decades to come. The GOVT and BP will now be forced to rely on MSM for ongoing cover-up. Let's hope someone in the press has a "Watergate" moment.
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They’ve been injecting thousands of gallons of toxic dispersants to keep the oil from reaching the surface, even though no one knows what the effects of this massive experiment will be on fish and other organisms. Independent scientists and Louisiana fisherman understand why — it’s not about cleaning up the oil, it’s about hiding it from public view on the surface, even though spreading it throughout the Gulf could just be exacerbating the damage. Indeed, independent scientists have found that the use of dispersants may be causing the oil to form massive underwater plumes, which could harm sperm whales, bluefin tuna, and other creatures that live in the open ocean.

But don’t bother BP's CEO Tony Hayward with that news, who recently said: “Everything we can see at the moment suggests that the overall environmental impact will be very, very modest."
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FUCK bp!
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x10

Everyone pass the word..

Protest BP stations...

Do not buy any products from BP

That means BP, Amoco, Arco, Castrol
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This leak got much more intense last night..

[link to www.bp.com]

[link to www.pbs.org]
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wow..it was going crazy down there..then that light appeared...I guess thats the light their using to see.but it was weird...
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BP and the usa govenment is saying all is under control. Have no fear. Keep watching your boob tube and sending in your taxes. And spend , spend , spend.
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This leak got much more intense last night..

[link to www.bp.com]

[link to www.pbs.org]



wow..it was going crazy down there..then that light appeared...I guess thats the light their using to see.but it was weird...
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okkk..that want BPs light...umm, that was weird...
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This leak got much more intense last night..

[link to www.bp.com]

[link to www.pbs.org]



wow..it was going crazy down there..then that light appeared...I guess thats the light their using to see.but it was weird...




okkk..that wasnt BPs light...umm, that was weird...
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This leak got much more intense last night..

[link to www.bp.com]

[link to www.pbs.org]



wow..it was going crazy down there..then that light appeared...I guess thats the light their using to see.but it was weird...




okkk..that want BPs light...umm, that was weird...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 788508

the camera is turned, notice particles passing the camera from behind, whatever happened bp is now trying to hide it.
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[link to www.cnn.com]

BP won't change dispersant used in oil spill -- for now

(CNN) -- BP plans to continue using a controversial subsea dispersant to break up a plume of oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico, saying that the leading alternative could pose a risk over the long term, the EPA indicated Saturday.

The EPA issued a directive on Thursday, ordering BP to find, within 24 hours, a less toxic but equally effective chemical than its current product, Corexit 9500 -- and one that is available in sufficient quantities. The directive also gave the company 72 hours to stop applying it to the undersea gusher.

Corexit has been rated more toxic and less effective than many others on the list of 18 EPA-approved dispersants, according to testimony at a congressional hearing Wednesday.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 973441

Bet it's cheaper for BP to use.

"Always the dollar with these guys." - Joe Pesci CASINO
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This leak got much more intense last night..

[link to www.bp.com]

[link to www.pbs.org]



wow..it was going crazy down there..then that light appeared...I guess thats the light their using to see.but it was weird...




okkk..that want BPs light...umm, that was weird...

the camera is turned, notice particles passing the camera from behind, whatever happened bp is now trying to hide it.
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I am getting so sick of this...
WTF are we looking at?
Where are the Navy DSV-Sea Cliffs?



Both submersibles were initially rated for a depth of 6,500 feet but received upgrades in the early 1980s. While the Turtle was rated at 10,000 foot operating depth, Sea Cliff had her original HY-100 steel crew sphere replaced in 1983 with a titanium sphere capable of 20,000 foot operations. Sea Cliff reached this depth for the first time in March 1985, during a dive in the Middle America Trench off the Pacific coast of Central America. This increase of 1500 meters over Alvin's limits provided access to 37% more of the sea floor. Turtle reached a depth of 10,000 feet on 3 October 1980, and Sea Cliff made it to 20,000 feet on 10 March 1985. At that depth, Sea Cliff was capable of reaching 98 percent of the world’s ocean floor, an area roughly six times that of the surface of the moon. As a result, Sea Cliff enjoyed the distinction of being named flagship for the “Year of the Ocean” in 1985.

Sea Cliff and Turtle were often called upon to locate and recover Navy equipment that was lost at sea. During its 20,000 foot sea trials, Sea Cliff was ordered to the site of a downed Marine Corps Sea Stallion helicopter. Operating at 1,500 feet, Sea Cliff used its manipulators both to retrieve pieces of the aircraft directly and to attach lift lines to other parts. Sections as heavy as 10,000 pounds were recovered. Overall, 61 dives were made, and 80 percent of the aircraft was retrieved. Most importantly, Sea Cliff found and recovered the remains of the aircraft’s four crew members for family burial. Similarly, in 1995, when a Navy swimmer delivery vehicle (SDV) was lost in 814 feet of water off Hawaii, Turtle found and retrieved it in an operation many thought was impossible.

Turtle and Sea Cliff had been based from Navy Landing Ship Dock (LSD), or, more commonly, from Navy oceanographic vessels. Any of them could be transported by C-5 aircraft, although such deployments were uncommon.

Since the end of the Cold War the submersibles Sea Cliff and Turtle were available for limited academic research through a cooperative arrangement between NOAA and the US Navy's Submarine Development Squadron Five in San Diego CA. These vehicles have expanded opportunities for peer-reviewed deep submergence research off the US west coast. Sea Cliff provided the science community with some additional access to the deep sea and permitted observations to depths approaching 6000 meters, a depth range otherwise only available by using ROV Jason or the other tethered vehicles of the National Deep Submergence Facility. This increase of 1500 meters over Alvin's limits provides access to 37% more of the sea floor, which represents an area that is greater than 90% of the surface area presently exposed on the continents.

Following the Navy's decision to decommission Sea Cliff, NAVSEA requested Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) to provide a technical assessment and costing of how to best integrate Sea Cliff into the National Deep Submergence Facility. Perhaps the most serious and biggest impediment to integrating Sea Cliff into the US deep submergence program was the lack of an adequate and stable funding base.

Turtle was retired and loaned to the Mystic Aquarium, Institute for Exploration, where it was placed on permanent display. Sea Cliff was turned over to the Office of Naval Research and as of 1999 was being stored at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute while its future was debated.

DSV-5 Nemo
According to the Naval Vessel Register, the somewhat puzzling "DSV-5" was disposed of in 1986 by transfer to other Government Agencies. The term "Other Goverment Agency" has been used more recently in other contexts to reference the Central Intelligence Agency, though there is no particular reason to believe this is the case in this instance. The fact of the existence of this vehicle was not widely attested and initially details remained entirely obscure. Once the name ex-NEMO became associated with DSV-5, seemingly another Alvin class DSV, it became possible to resolve the puzzle.

The word "nemo" in Latin, means "no one, nobody" as in Nemo me impune lacessit [No one provokes me with impunity] (motto of the kings of Scotland), nemo liber est qui corpori servit [No one is free who is a slave to his body], Cogitationis poenam nemo meretur [No one deserves punishment for a though], or Absenti nemo non nocuisse velit [Let no one be willing to speak ill of the absent]. NEMO would be a good name for a vessel with no apparent history.

In 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea Jules Verne the commander of the submarine Nautilus is asked "By what name ought I to address you?" "Sir," replied the commander, "I am nothing to you but Captain Nemo; and you and your companions are nothing to me but the passengers of the Nautilus." Published in 1870, this book inspired many early submarine designers, including Simon Lake.

"20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" (Walt Disney Productions, 1954) is a classic screen adaptation of Jules Verne's early vision of submarine warfare. James Mason is the mad Captain Nemo, who takes on the warmongering imperialist countries with his submarine Nautilus. Also stars Kirk Douglas and Peter Lorre. This Oscar winner (for special effects and set decoration) was a remake of a 1916 silent film.

During the late 1960s pressure resistant hulls were fabricated from acrylic plastic to give the crews of research submersibles underwater panoramic visibility. A two-phase development of a manned submersible using a plexiglass capsule to provide nearly total visibility soon will be launched. Operated in clear water, it will give the occupants the effect of being in an underwater helicopter. Operated in murky water, it would allow the pilot to stabilize and orient to an object easily, as ahead-scanning and peripheral vision will be unrestrained by the dimensions of viewing ports.

Two standard spherical hull designs were available; (a) 66 inch outside diameter and 2.5 inch thickness for 600 ft. operational depth and (b) 66 inch outside diameter and 4.0 inch thickness for 1000 ft. depth. The hulls were fabricated by adhesive bonding of 12 thermoformed spherical pentagons, two of which incorporate metallic hatches. These pressure resistant hulls met the certification requirements of the US Navy as well as of the American Bureau of Shipping. These hulls were incorporated in the NEMO, JOHNSON SEA-LINK, and MAKAKAI submersibles. NEMO was eventually designated DSV-
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Last Edited by ExhaleAeonVolts on 05/23/2010 11:04 AM
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it's a secret as to what is in there too, plus made in china factory...


Thread: Desperate actions in Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill disaster, Experimental Oil eating bacteria/microbes, causing unexpected results.



Shhhhh!
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unfortunately BP is in charge for a few different reasons.

1. They only have to pay 75million for clean up. The rest is voluntary. I am sure they have made that very clear to the government.

2. If the government agencies take over and something goes wrong, if you think BP can spin this for good, see what they do then. The warning was put out about the other dispersant, imagine how the sheeple will react when BP starts a smear campaign against the EPA.

3. The have put up a line and told the US government that if they cross it, they own it.

Unfortunately, with sheeple (see all the Obama bashing), if the government takes over, immediately half the country will be attacking them for how they are doing it wrong, and a small push will bring enough over to kill the existing government in future elections.

BP acts on this spill for monetary reasons.

The government acts on this for political reasons. (the republitards would do the same)

If it gets stopped and cleaned up, that will definitely be anice side note.
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The Obama Administration is cowardly hiding behind BP throughout this mess.
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Here is the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for SEA BRAT.
[link to www.alabastercorp.com]

LOOK IT OVER


These are my favorite parts...

Health effects: Ingestion
Ingestion may produce gastrointestinal disturbances including irritation, nausea and vomiting.

6 ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES
SPILL AND LEAK PROCEDURES
Contain large spills with dikes and transfer material to appropriate containers for reclamation or disposal. Absorb remaining material or small spills with an inert material and dispose of in accordance with applicable regulations.


Sea Life has no chance of survival. We worked so hard to preserve our Gulf sea life and this is where it ends.


SAD SAD SAD days ahead
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The EPA is trying to gain the power to regulate the carbon foot print of the average people, yet can't do dick about a corporation's carbon foot print, which has smashed itself on to the entire gulf. That money that the corporations gave to politicians to fund the lions share of their election campaigns was money well invested. Idol1
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+1

Because they bought Obama with the contributions they feel they can do what they want, and as we see now, they can.
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Despite the continuing use of Corexit, BP is not in violation of the EPA directive, which said that should the company not be able to identify alternative products, "BP shall provide ... a detailed description of the products investigated [and] the reason the products did not meet the standards" required by the agency. ...


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Okay, this only confirms that idiocy is contagious.

Barry is infectious. Now the EPA can't even manage to write a directive properly! They write it so that BP can still manage to poison the ocean and be considered compliant?

Time to impeach Barry. You don't want a bunch of people running around that are as dumb as shoes. Nor as whore-mongering.

Barry could care less about environmental damage. He only cares about re-election, but he knows WE care about the environment. Ergo ... a puppet show.

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wtf is wrong with them? angry2
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DOWN WITH BRITISH PETROLEUM.

DESTROY EVERYTHING THATS THEIRS!!
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FUCK bp!


x10

Everyone pass the word..

Protest BP stations...

Do not buy any products from BP

That means BP, Amoco, Arco, Castrol
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x100

I want to see them fall!!
God teaches us to destroy our enemies.
BRITISH PETROLEUM IS OUR ENEMY.
THOSE WHO SUPPORT BRITISH PETROLEUM ARE OUR ENEMIES.
THEY WILL ALL FALL BEFORE THIS IS OVER.
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The EPA is trying to gain the power to regulate the carbon foot print of the average people, yet can't do dick about a corporation's carbon foot print, which has smashed itself on to the entire gulf. That money that the corporations gave to politicians to fund the lions share of their election campaigns was money well invested. Idol1

+1

Because they bought Obama with the contributions they feel they can do what they want, and as we see now, they can.
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The only reason they feel they can do what they want is cus we let them. Let this end NOW.
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This is messed up.

On Fox this AM, said BP has said will not clean up the gulf mess.

Shuting off the oil they have no idea when.

Fox dude said this could kill all life in the gulf from the oil and gas.

It's looking like we are on our own.



OH, IT IS TIME FOR SOMETHING TO BURN AND I DON'T MEAN OIL.

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE FROM THE GOVERNORS OF THE GULF STATES???

WHY AREN'T THEY LITERALLY UP IN ARMS AND SEETHING WITH RAGING REVENGE?????

ARE WE ALL SO STUPID....SO LAME,,,,,,SO AFRAID TO TAKE ACTION???????

HAVE WE ALL BEEN SO ANESTHETIZED WITH DRUGS AND CHEMICALS IN THE FOOD, WATER AND AIR THAT WE ARE TOTALLY INCAPABLE OF A RESPONSE???????

THEN WE ALL DESERVE TO DIE AND GET JUST WHAT WE ALLOW.
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While I was reading this I was listening to a song on the radio, "Taking it to the Streets." A synchronistic message from angels. Sounds like the time is now. Get out there and create a crowd of angry protesters.
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it's a volcano.
futile.
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man.. fuck all the oil companies and their outdated energy
source.. fuck the government they should have emergency plans already set up for such a disaster and safety precautions for the oil rigs.. tell obama to go fuck himself on drill baby drill.. fuck the military they have technology that could be used to help clean up this shit.. the gov and the military are letting bp use toxic chemicals.. when they have stored millions of gallons of less toxic shit but for some stupid reason they use more toxic chemicals.. i think this was all set up.. so fucking obvious.. its a joke.. the way everybody is responding (the mainstream news, military, government) its all happening for a reason.. this is clearly war.. a war between the good and evil.. makes me sick.. just think how this is affecting millions of sea creatures.. and our own food, health, economy, and earth.. bump
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Posted: Sunday, 23 May 2010 8:00AM

Coastal protection issue heats up

Dave Cohen Reporting

Coast Guard officials say they are turning up the heat on BP to do a better job keeping oil off the Louisiana coast

Coast Guard Rear Admiral Mary Landry had more harsh words for the oil company today, a day after publicly calling BP out for leaving protective boom sitting on the dock while oil was coming ashore.
"We're doubling up our set of eyes and we're doubling up our tactical oversight of this and we're also bringing some Coast Guard strike team personnel," said Landry.

She says if the company can't do what has to be done, she'll deploy Coast Guard, military or private resources, as needed.
"BP will pay for all these resources, whether they're federal contracted or otherwise," said Landry.

Meanwhile, the state of Louisiana has begun a dredging project to keep oil out of the wetlands near Grand Isle.

Governor Bobby Jindal says they couldn't wait any longer.

"The oil is coming. No question about it. You can look at the NOAA projections, you can see the oil from the air," said Jindal.

The governor says they are starting to work to build a sand barrier to the approaching oil under an existing permit on a coastal restoration project in the area.

Jindal is still waiting for the feds to approve a larger plan to block the crude with dredged sand barriers.

The governor hopes to use this as a demonstration of the strategy's effectiveness.





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