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Anonymous Coward User ID: 938842 United States 05/29/2010 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing being true doesn't negate the other: Creation vs. Evolution or whatever. They are both truths, but both are half-truths. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 977010Amen to that. All different slices from the same pie. Yup, we are no longer human apes, cause of the ELOHIM. we are their creation, and our creation is not done yet, more to come. |
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User ID: 983819 United States 05/29/2010 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whoa...wait just a second. Even IF they do find THE Noah's ark does't mean that everything in the bible is literal. There are so many things that are symbolic .. This would in NO WAY cancel out evolution. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771327you and i MUST be reading different bibles. certainly not 100% of everything is literal. but enough of it is that it should be read literally **UNLESS** the context indicates a symbolic interpretation. if it doesnt ... interpret literally! Historically, yes, many things are literal. Some of the numbers are literal. Most of the rest is symbolic...even the literal stuff is also symbolic. Do you not understand that things can have many meanings? Such as the parables of Jesus? As i said, it is a Root & Branch system...the root of our physical world is in the spiritual world. We see the branches. It is only when you begin to understand the spiritual that you will see/read things differently. There are many "layers" of understanding in the bible. Have you not noticed that you can read a verse one day and understand it one way, then a year later it has a totally different meaning to you? Your understanding changes as you grow spiritually. This continues until it is no longer literal at all, although some of the things there are seen in the physical. Lisa I AM that I AM (I shall be what I shall be) "Be still and know..." (Psalm 46:10) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 938842 United States 05/29/2010 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whoa...wait just a second. Even IF they do find THE Noah's ark does't mean that everything in the bible is literal. There are so many things that are symbolic .. This would in NO WAY cancel out evolution. Quoting: Lisadeliversyou and i MUST be reading different bibles. certainly not 100% of everything is literal. but enough of it is that it should be read literally **UNLESS** the context indicates a symbolic interpretation. if it doesnt ... interpret literally! Historically, yes, many things are literal. Some of the numbers are literal. Most of the rest is symbolic...even the literal stuff is also symbolic. Do you not understand that things can have many meanings? Such as the parables of Jesus? As i said, it is a Root & Branch system...the root of our physical world is in the spiritual world. We see the branches. It is only when you begin to understand the spiritual that you will see/read things differently. There are many "layers" of understanding in the bible. Have you not noticed that you can read a verse one day and understand it one way, then a year later it has a totally different meaning to you? Your understanding changes as you grow spiritually. This continues until it is no longer literal at all, although some of the things there are seen in the physical. the Serpent was Lucifer/lilith, And their Child was CAIN. this is a loose interpretation but close.. There are Sons of Cain and Sons of Seth. Different bloodlines on earth. Symbology of Serpent was different DNA as DNA looks like a serpent. twisting around a tree or pole |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 985286 United States 05/29/2010 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they found this 3 years ago. Its real. The snow started melting off the mountain tops, exposing the petrified area. When you look at the images with thermal equipment, you can see 'stalls' or stables. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 923672Either it was a floating jail or floating zoo. Date of excavated material puts it back 4000 years or so. According to the video the Carbon dating they ahve put it at 4800 years ago. They also talk about recalibrating that dating. The thing about Carbon Dating is that it works off a presumption that we know what the initial ratio of C12/C14 has been through out all time. This is its weak point as a dating method and is the same weak point aht all radiometric dating systems have. This presumption of ratios of isotopes in the past at some "starting point". One of the speakers in the confernce made the statement they would probably have to push the dating back to around 30,000 to 40,000 years ago. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 984840 United States 05/29/2010 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This could be a BIG discovery. Maybe some of the non-believers will become believers. Quoting: mopar28mWhats there to not believe. The humans destroyed the earth many centurys ago. Probably more than once. And now the stupid elite humans are destroying the earth again. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 985514 United States 05/29/2010 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lisadelivers User ID: 983819 United States 5/29/2010 11:12 AM Report abusive post Re: amsterdam press conference on noahs ark discovery! Quote The bigger question remains. Even if you found a big structure, a big ship, on Mt. Ararat, how would you ever PROVE its was Noah's and not someone elses? How would you every prove it was The Ark? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985286 C14 tests will help determine the age of the wood. ----------- Sorry, but C14 dating has been proven time and time again to be highly innacurate(even a million years off)....even then if any kind of testing could prove the date of the ship still doesn't prove if the Noah's Ark story is true or not? Mankind has been deceived for many thousands of years...you don't think TPTB had the means to create fakes and propoganda to fool people into believing in manmade-relics passed-off as proof of GOD's existance or the book? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 938842 United States 05/29/2010 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I got a link on this. carbon has six electrons, six neutrons and six protons. hence six, six, six. [link to www.carbon666.com] |
Night Sky User ID: 985653 Canada 05/29/2010 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Setting the stage for bluebeam. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 983969Yup, where they will project the "hand of God" to save the people, so that the people will rush back to them and be good little slaves. Just remember, its just a ride... It has thrills and chills, hills and valleys, its very bright and loud, but in the end... We are just visiting. Peace :o) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 938842 United States 05/29/2010 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This could be a BIG discovery. Maybe some of the non-believers will become believers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 984840Whats there to not believe. The humans destroyed the earth many centurys ago. Probably more than once. And now the stupid elite humans are destroying the earth again. There have been other sets of humans on earth yes. And we had technology before like levitation., We are wiped out, and survivors repopulate Its been going on longer than we we know. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 985626 Belgium 05/29/2010 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You all do realize what it would mean if they could prove beyond a doubt that this was Noah's Ark? First of all it would mean that the events of Genesis 6 really happened. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985286So the existence of some sort of giant ancient boat is enough to prove all the other drivel in there? I see. Second it would also mean that flood was indeed a planet wide flood. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985286How so? Unless the boat is planet wide I highly doubt the whole planet would need to be flooded for a boat to float, iuno. Third it would mean that all the scoffers and people saying that the Bible writers had merely revamped an old local Sumerian flood myth had it backwards, that all the Sumerian mythos is a vast and wide distortion and corruption of what really happened. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985286This made me sad. The list of ramnifications of such a discover is vast and profound. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985286Sure, if you believe in the magical pixie in the sky I'm sure finding a boat has serious ramifications. It would mean that the Darwian theory of evolution and its futher evolved theories are a POS. It would also mean that Geology would have to completely rethink every thing it thinks it knows about the Earths' history. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985286This made me even sadder. Lemme guess, the earth is 6000years old and dinosaurs are a lie? The list goes on and on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985286I'm sure it does. |
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(OP) User ID: 254206 United States 05/29/2010 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I got a link on this. carbon has six electrons, six neutrons and six protons. hence six, six, six. Quoting: THE PRODIGAL SON[link to www.carbon666.com] coincidence? .A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell. C. S. Lewis |
Lisadelivers
User ID: 983819 United States 05/29/2010 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bigger question remains. Even if you found a big structure, a big ship, on Mt. Ararat, how would you ever PROVE its was Noah's and not someone elses? How would you every prove it was The Ark? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985514Lisadelivers: C14 tests will help determine the age of the wood. ----------- Anonymous Coward: Sorry, but C14 dating has been proven time and time again to be highly innacurate(even a million years off)....even then if any kind of testing could prove the date of the ship still doesn't prove if the Noah's Ark story is true or not? Mankind has been deceived for many thousands of years...you don't think TPTB had the means to create fakes and propoganda to fool people into believing in manmade-relics passed-off as proof of GOD's existance or the book? Hadn't heard that the test was "highly innacurate", especially to that degree. Hmmm. Also, didn't say that it WOULD help to prove it's the biblical Noah's Ark...said it would help determine the age of the wood. Sorry for any misunderstandings. :o/ Lisa I AM that I AM (I shall be what I shall be) "Be still and know..." (Psalm 46:10) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 938842 United States 05/29/2010 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I got a link on this. carbon has six electrons, six neutrons and six protons. hence six, six, six. Quoting: Neesie[link to www.carbon666.com] coincidence? Its why our life s*cks, full of death, Nature is cruel. She only populates on a impersonal level. Birth rate, death rate is high on earth. Its a constant birth, death cycle.Thanks to carbon. We have to come up with something else. cause of LOVE. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 959446 Australia 05/29/2010 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, They ARE serious, They really believe they have found the ark, they have scientists and members of parliament from the turkish government making statements. Quoting: NeesieNo this is not a scientific discovery this is shilling by them for their religion. All of these so called scientists just all happen to be Christians don't you find that a little strange? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 985286 United States 05/29/2010 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I got a link on this. carbon has six electrons, six neutrons and six protons. hence six, six, six. Quoting: THE PRODIGAL SON[link to www.carbon666.com] Yea? And the Number of Adonikim is 666, so what? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 938842 United States 05/29/2010 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When Christians think of Heaven, they are hoping for a NON CARBON based life, ending death and predatory practices. There must be another element that can give people bodies, but be a form of stable, eternal conscious energy instead of decay and death, |
Lisadelivers
User ID: 983819 United States 05/29/2010 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did they find any unicorn bones? Quoting: THE PRODIGAL SONSome unicorns still live today. But we call them rhinoceros. Unicorn is a symbology of Christ. The White Horse Uh huh...i have a unicorn. A little statuette...mine is white with a gold horn...i love it! Lisa I AM that I AM (I shall be what I shall be) "Be still and know..." (Psalm 46:10) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 938842 United States 05/29/2010 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I got a link on this. carbon has six electrons, six neutrons and six protons. hence six, six, six. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985286[link to www.carbon666.com] Yea? And the Number of Adonikim is 666, so what? Silicon based life is possible, but wouldnt have the variety of carbon. |
Lisadelivers
User ID: 983819 United States 05/29/2010 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yup, where they will project the "hand of God" to save the people, so that the people will rush back to them and be good little slaves. Quoting: Night Sky 985653Just remember, its just a ride... It has thrills and chills, hills and valleys, its very bright and loud, but in the end... We are just visiting. Peace :o) [link to www.youtube.com] Lisa I AM that I AM (I shall be what I shall be) "Be still and know..." (Psalm 46:10) |
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User ID: 745232 United States 05/29/2010 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO TRUE, the truth is both, creationism, and evolution combined, The Elohim made us from neanderthals with their DNA Quoting: THE PRODIGAL SONAny Creator of the Universe would have no problem creating DNA, RNA, mtDNA that can and was 'designed' to rewrite its own code. This concept is a form of Theistic Evolution. A conceptualizatino bhtat both the Darwinian and "Creatisonists" both love to completley overlook in their little pointless war against each other. Yea,I don't know about the elohim,how about lizard? Trust your instinct to the end, though you can render no reason. Ralph Waldo Emerson |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 977010 Canada 05/29/2010 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I got a link on this. carbon has six electrons, six neutrons and six protons. hence six, six, six. Quoting: THE PRODIGAL SON[link to www.carbon666.com] This is an Awesome Find! So many pieces come together with this little tidbit. Thank You. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 938842 United States 05/29/2010 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When God said, He will use his Son to Break the Pottery, it meant Evolution and Creationism will continue, I doubt any of you are happy with your short diseases susceptable lifespan you have now and to lose loved ones. Death will be banished with the Son. We will come back better stronger, and more advanced, then what little we have today. Adjustments in the earths axis and a better UV shielding from the Earth sun should be a plan before we colonize other planets in the future. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 938842 United States 05/29/2010 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I got a link on this. carbon has six electrons, six neutrons and six protons. hence six, six, six. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 977010[link to www.carbon666.com] This is an Awesome Find! So many pieces come together with this little tidbit. Thank You. We will break free from the cruelty of the beast, we will find a solution towards living forever |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 896179 United Kingdom 05/29/2010 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry, but C14 dating has been proven time and time again to be highly innacurate(even a million years off)....even then if any kind of testing could prove the date of the ship still doesn't prove if the Noah's Ark story is true or not? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985514C14 dating is only used to measure dates within the last few tens of thousands of years. After that, almost all the C14 has decayed away, so you can't tell the difference by carbon dating between something that's a million years old and something that's ten million years old. Anything that's been made out of wood by a human being should be within range, though. Trouble is, of course, there's a _long_ history of fake Noah's Arks. It's been a cottage industry in that part of the world for thousands of years. It attracts pilgrims. Josephus describes it as being something of a tourist attraction, where the locals would show the Ark to visitors, and that was two thousand years ago! |