BREAKING: Israel Navy story changes again: 3 soldiers taken hostage during flotilla raid | |
TruthHurts
(OP) User ID: 967047 United States 06/04/2010 04:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And now, here is the Jerusalem Post version of this same story: We had no choice, commando who killed 6 tells 'Post' By YAAKOV KATZ 04/06/2010 [link to www.jpost.com] "They were coming at us with murder in their eyes," says S., describing the "battlefield" aboard the ‘Mavi Marmara’; He hit the deck to see three officers lying wounded. When St.-Sgt. S. fast-roped down from an air force Black Hawk helicopter onto the Mavi Marmara Turkish passenger ship on Monday morning, he did not expect to be landing in what he called “a battlefield” and facing off against a group of “murderous mercenaries.” The 15th and last naval commando from Flotilla 13 (the Shayetet) to rappel down onto the ship from the helicopter, S. said on Thursday that he was immediately attacked by what the IDF has called “the mob of mercenaries” aboard the vessel, just like the soldiers who had boarded just before him. Looking to his side, he saw three of his commanders lying wounded – one with a gunshot wound to the stomach and another with a gunshot wound to the knee. A third was lying unconscious; his skull was fractured by a devastating blow with a metal bar. As the next in the chain of command, S., who has been in the Shayetet for three and a half years, immediately took charge. He pushed the wounded soldiers up against the wall of the upper deck and created a perimeter of soldiers around them to begin treating their wounds, he said. He then arranged his men to form a second perimeter, and pulled out his 9 mm. Glock pistol to stave off the charging attackers and to protect his wounded comrades. The attackers had already seized two pistols from the commandos, and fired repeatedly at them. Facing more than a dozen of the mercenaries, and convinced their lives were in danger, he and his colleagues opened fire, he said. S. singlehandedly killed six men. His colleagues killed another three. On Thursday, S. sat down with The Jerusalem Post at the Shayetet’s base in northern Israel for an exclusive interview, during which he described the dramatic events aboard the Mavi Marmara on Monday; he is being considered for a medal of valor. “When I hit the deck, I was immediately attacked by people with bats, metal pipes and axes,” S. told the Post. “These were without a doubt terrorists. I could see the murderous rage in their eyes and that they were coming to kill us.” S. does not look like a hero. Well-built, like all commandos in the Shayetet, he is also soft-spoken and stingy with words, but his commander Lt.-Col. T. fills in the blanks. “S. did a remarkable job,” T. said. “He stabilized the situation and succeeded in hitting six of the terrorists.” Based on preliminary results of its investigation into the navy’s takeover of the Mavi Marmara, which ended with nine dead passengers and more than 30 wounded, the IDF said on Thursday that the commandos were attacked by a well-trained group of mercenaries, most of whom were found without IDs but with thousands of dollars in their pockets. The group was well trained and was split into a number of squads of about 20 mercenaries each distributed throughout the upper deck, the IDF said. All of the mercenaries wore gas masks and ceramic bulletproof vests and were armed with either bats, slingshots, metal bars, knives or stun grenades. The IDF’s understanding is that the mercenaries mainly chose dual-purpose items of this sort rather than guns, since opening fire would have made it blatantly clear that they were terrorists and not so-called peace activists. Nevertheless, the IDF suspects that the group did have some guns of its own. Israeli forensic experts who examined the ship found casings belonging to a weapon that was not used by the commandos, and the Turkish captain of the ship later told the IDF that the “mercenaries” threw their weapons overboard after the commandos took control of the vessel. T. said he realized the group they were facing was well-trained and likely ex-military after the commandos threw a number of stun grenades and fired warning shots before rappelling down onto the deck. “They didn’t even flinch,” he said. “Regular people would move.” Each squad of the “mercenaries” was equipped with a Motorola communication device, the IDF said, so they could pass information to one another. Assessments in the defense establishment are that members of the group were affiliated with international global jihad elements and had undergone training in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan. S. on Thursday downplayed his involvement in the operation. “I did what I was trained to do and now I move on,” he said. In contrast to earlier reports, the commandos said that they began using their weapons within a minute and a half after boarding the ship, due to the extreme violence they faced. One of the reasons S. pulled out his gun right after landing on the ship was because one of the mercenaries was pointing a pistol, snatched from one of the commandos, at another commando’s head. |
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Rev. Mother Nene
User ID: 798834 United States 06/04/2010 04:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wouldn't really call reporting further details "changing" the story. Do you have links showing where this report contradicts previous ones? "Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
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TruthHurts
(OP) User ID: 967047 United States 06/04/2010 04:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now back to the JPost version, "He then arranged his men to form a second perimeter, and pulled out his 9 mm. Glock pistol to stave off the charging attackers and to protect his wounded comrades." LOL, they can't even keep their own lies in order. BTW, if they had just reported this from the beginning, this would be all over by now. But no, the story was initially just beatings with sticks, then it was knives too, then it was the activists wrestling guns away from the soldiers, now it's this. It keeps evolving with more and more eyewitnesses reporting what they saw. Unbelievable. Meanwhile, all of these activists have been saying the same story from the beginning. I first heard about commandos being taken hostage earlier today from one of the activists who had returned home. However they said that the commandos allowed the passenger wounded to be treated for wounds in exchange for the release of commando hostages. MUCH MUCH different than the IDF account. I'll try and find the link in a sec... |
9teen.47™
User ID: 991931 United Kingdom 06/04/2010 04:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you Ireland__:IsraelFl: Your gracious apology is accepted. Last Edited by 9teen.47™ on 06/04/2010 04:38 AM Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God. Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman]. STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children. |
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TruthHurts
(OP) User ID: 967047 United States 06/04/2010 05:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just spent the last 30 minutes trying to find the story I read about 8 hours ago and I can't find it :( Basically it is one of the passengers giving his/her recollection of the events and they said that 3 or 4 commandos were taken hostage and that they were taken below deck. Later they were 'exchanged' back to the IDF for the right to treat the passengers that were wounded. Hopefully someone will find this story later or it will reappear in another form. I'm not going to spend any more time searching for it right now. I think the point that people need to take from this is that if the activists on board wanted to actually kill a commando, they could have. It's not that hard once a commando is unconscious to simply cut off his breathing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 990826 Portugal 06/04/2010 05:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the point that people need to take from this is that if the activists on board wanted to actually kill a commando, they could have. It's not that hard once a commando is unconscious to simply cut off his breathing. Quoting: TruthHurtsYea, sure! If I stick a knife in your back or in your stomach, as they did, don't worry, it's because I want to hug you! |
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(OP) User ID: 967047 United States 06/04/2010 05:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.jpost.com] Clues undermine 'Mavi Marma' innocence By JPOST.COM STAFF 04/06/2010 IDF finds gun-sights, coded plans; commandos were dragged below deck. There is evidence pointing to the fact that firearms were thrown overboard by passengers of the Mavi Marmara. Investigators found gun-sights and cartridge-magazines not fitting IDF weapons in a search of the ship, Israel Radio quoted IDF sources reporting Friday morning. Coded messages apparently referring to scenarios of soldier-kidnapping and of soldier fatalities were also found on board the ship. RELATED: IDF: Mercenaries to blame for violence 'We had no choice, they were coming at us with murder in their eyes' Analysis: Why did the IDF underestimate violence of those it called 'terrorists' Some of those aboard the ship recorded messages saying they intended to become shahids (martyrs in the cause of war against the infidels). A Reuters report apparently confirms some of the claims of a kidnapping scenario encountered by soldiers in the raid on the Mavi Marmara. Andre Abu Khalil, a Lebanese cameraman for Al-Jazeera TV, who was aboard the Mavi Marmara told Reuters some 20 Turkish men tried to prevent the boarding commandos from reaching the wheelhouse and commandeering the ship. Using slingshots, metal pipes and bats they initially succeeded in wounding and overpowering four Israeli soldiers and dragging them below decks. After about a 10-minute standoff the Israelis opened fire, the man said. A mini-hostage-negotiation took place aboard the ship, according to the cameraman. One activist used a megaphone to tell the commandos the four captive soldiers were well and would be released if they provided medical help for wounded passengers. An Israeli Arab MK was said to have mediated in the negotiation, presumably Haneen Zoabi, and the soldiers agreed. The wounded were brought up on deck to be airlifted off the ship. |
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User ID: 925714 Romania 06/04/2010 05:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We had no choice, commando who killed 6 tells 'Post' Quoting: TruthHurtsBy YAAKOV KATZ 04/06/2010 "They were coming at us with murder in their eyes," says S., describing the "battlefield" aboard the ‘Mavi Marmara’; He hit the deck to see three officers lying wounded. When St.-Sgt. S. fast-roped down from an air force Black Hawk helicopter onto the Mavi Marmara Turkish passenger ship on Monday morning, he did not expect to be landing in what he called “a battlefield” and facing off against a group of “murderous mercenaries.” Well, shucks, I guess the people on the ship could see the peace the boarders had in their eyes: [link to www.bigbluetech.net] Sol Dominvs Imperi Romani Imperium Romanum Sacrum In Varietate Concordia |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 992057 Israel 06/04/2010 06:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wouldn't really call reporting further details "changing" the story. Quoting: Rev. Mother NeneDo you have links showing where this report contradicts previous ones? you said what I was about to say! All the efforts of the haters are pretty much pathetic! The title is lame. |
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Irdoooomed
User ID: 991944 Pakistan 06/04/2010 06:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wouldn't really call reporting further details "changing" the story. Quoting: ~GAIA~Do you have links showing where this report contradicts previous ones? you said what I was about to say! All the efforts of the haters are pretty much pathetic! The title is lame. So everyone that thinks the Israeli commandoes screwed the pooch is a hater, whatever that means. Last Edited by Irdoooomed on 06/04/2010 06:48 AM Twenty grand dood, it's a lot of money! Recently homosexuals have been making anti christian threads. Think about it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 991898 New Zealand 06/04/2010 06:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wouldn't really call reporting further details "changing" the story. Quoting: ~GAIA~Do you have links showing where this report contradicts previous ones? you said what I was about to say! All the efforts of the haters are pretty much pathetic! The title is lame. this is not about hate'. this is about justice' your anti-semitic card is out of date. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 992077 United States 06/04/2010 07:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Israeli commandoes must be pretty weak to be captured by unhappy protesters. I've never heard of police here in Australia ever been taken prisoner by protesters. One baton to the head and boof the protester goes down. What a cock up on the part of those commandoes. Quoting: IrdoooomedI wouldn't really call reporting further details "changing" the story. Do you have links showing where this report contradicts previous ones? you said what I was about to say! All the efforts of the haters are pretty much pathetic! The title is lame. So everyone that thinks the Israeli commandoes screwed the pooch is a hater, whatever that means. Yeah well. When you got nuthin left in your bag of tricks, what are you gonna do. Like bureaucracies everywhere, Crapaganda Central can't always keep up with quickly changing situations, leaving the mindless minions pretty much floundering around on their own. GIYUS.ORG Give Israel Your United Support! [link to www.giyus.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 946079 Canada 06/04/2010 07:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | '9mm bullet casings were found - a kind not used by the naval commandos.' -OPs confusion Where is the conflict? The bullets used by two different guns, both 9mm, where from different manufacturers one used by Israeli commandos the other used by terrorist -damn you are dumb, but if you look hard enough you might find something else. |
TruthHurts
(OP) User ID: 967047 United States 06/04/2010 07:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | '9mm bullet casings were found - a kind not used by the naval commandos.' -OPs confusion Quoting: Anonymous Coward 946079Where is the conflict? The bullets used by two different guns, both 9mm, where from different manufacturers one used by Israeli commandos the other used by terrorist -damn you are dumb, but if you look hard enough you might find something else. And they have this supposed evidence now? After 4 days have passed? Bullshit! Where were the reports of commandos receiving gun shot wounds the day after this happened. If one of the IDF guys had been shot, that would be THE story. The IDF would have released the footage of a terrorist with a gun. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 946079 Canada 06/04/2010 07:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | '9mm bullet casings were found - a kind not used by the naval commandos.' -OPs confusion Quoting: TruthHurtsWhere is the conflict? The bullets used by two different guns, both 9mm, where from different manufacturers one used by Israeli commandos the other used by terrorist -damn you are dumb, but if you look hard enough you might find something else. And they have this supposed evidence now? After 4 days have passed? Bullshit! Where were the reports of commandos receiving gun shot wounds the day after this happened. If one of the IDF guys had been shot, that would be THE story. The IDF would have released the footage of a terrorist with a gun. Yep shifting through the gun casings found on the ship is low on the list of items reviewed after seizure of the ship, fact that it came only four days is either, A) a lot of them where found or B) The need of tangible proof that guns/bullets not of the type used by the Israelis where used by the terrorist. This is not as fishy as the story four days later of wounded people where tossed from the ship. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 946079 Canada 06/04/2010 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why don't you zionists pigs just STFU. The more you talk the worst you look. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 925129Yeah, shoot down the spin with reality, and are met with this vitriolic reply. Do you think a proxy in Australia will protect you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 992112 United States 06/04/2010 08:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | '9mm bullet casings were found - a kind not used by the naval commandos.' -OPs confusion Quoting: TruthHurtsWhere is the conflict? The bullets used by two different guns, both 9mm, where from different manufacturers one used by Israeli commandos the other used by terrorist -damn you are dumb, but if you look hard enough you might find something else. And they have this supposed evidence now? After 4 days have passed? Bullshit! Where were the reports of commandos receiving gun shot wounds the day after this happened. If one of the IDF guys had been shot, that would be THE story. The IDF would have released the footage of a terrorist with a gun. They will. Just as soon as the studio finishes up the editing. |