Hamas, Israel, and the Gaza flotilla: seven forgotten (or conveniently ignored) facts you need to know

Oh noes, they terrified people. They swore to destroy the OCCUPYING REGIME that has destroyed their homes and their way of life. An OCCUPYING REGIME that has killed, raped, stoned, wounded, and in many other ways harmed and harassed them.

Gosh, it's awful surprising that people would lash back at an ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING REGIME.

Actually, let's face it, what's surprising is that they have survived this long at all against the Israelis.




Er - the occupation of Gaza ended in 2006. Since that time, Hamas has fired over 10,000 rockets and mortar bombs over the border.

I would expect that if you're going to be such a blowhard - you might try studyin' up on the region, since you obviously know NOTHING about it..

Fuckin' airhead..

All evidence points to the fact that this flotilla was a carefully staged PR stunt, and that conflict and casualties were expected..

Yep

Like I said the minute it happened, be happy for them, for they got exactly what they wanted.

You forgot fact 8:

That Israel is an illegitimate apartheidist rouge state that was created by Jewish terrorist groups effecting an ethnic cleansing of the locals so as to make room for waves of illegal immigrants from Europe that had fuck all to do with the "holy land" for generations, with the ostensible reason for this relocation being the events of WWII which was a product of Zionist machinations in and of itself. It is a de facto theocracy whose reigning religion is based upon a core of Jewish supremacism, Jewish exceptionalism, and a doctrine of bigoted domination/subversion of other ethnic groups as being good, holy, and/or just. In short, institutionalized psychopathy.

I hope and pray that Israelis and their ideological defenders are somehow delivered unto the arms of sanity and compassion for their fellow human beings and life itself.

Uh oh, I expressed my loathing of Jewish supremacism and my wishes to have their violence (physical,spiritual,economic) against others to cease, I guess that makes me a satanic kkk moose-limb nazi joo hater.

Quick, somebody call the ADL, SPLC, JDL, thought police, mossadomites, etc... I feel more free, independent, and rational thought coming on.

Oh noes, they terrified people. They swore to destroy the OCCUPYING REGIME that has destroyed their homes and their way of life. An OCCUPYING REGIME that has killed, raped, stoned, wounded, and in many other ways harmed and harassed them.

Gosh, it's awful surprising that people would lash back at an ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING REGIME.

Actually, let's face it, what's surprising is that they have survived this long at all against the Israelis.




Er - the occupation of Gaza ended in 2006. Since that time, Hamas has fired over 10,000 rockets and mortar bombs over the border.

I would expect that if you're going to be such a blowhard - you might try studyin' up on the region, since you obviously know NOTHING about it..

Fuckin' airhead..


Oh, well, if Israel said it ended, then surely it ended!

Fuckin' gullible dumbass.

You are an apologist coward of ISSrael

Hamas, Israel, and the Gaza flotilla: seven forgotten or ignored facts

By Nadav Tamir Nadav Tamir – Thu Jun 3, 4:55 pm ET
[link to news.yahoo.com]


Boston – In the torrent of rage and confusion generated by the loss of life when the Israeli Navy enforced the embargo on the Gaza Strip this week, there has been a regrettable overlooking of certain fundamental facts. As is so frequently the case, these facts have gotten buried in the rubble of political rhetoric. In order to prevent this incident from having a deleterious effect on the peace process going forward, the following must be understood:

Fact 1: The Gaza Strip is an armed camp, ruled with an iron fist by a repressive Hamas regime that has not only repeatedly pledged itself to the annihilation of Israel and the torpedoing of any prospects for Middle East peace, but has made good on its pledges by firing approximately 10,000 missiles, rockets, and mortar bombs at Israeli civilians over the past several years for the express purpose of killing or wounding those civilians or, at a minimum, terrifying them.

Fact 2: The United States, the European Union, and the international community have recognized that Hamas is a terrorist enterprise, which surely is beyond dispute.

Fact 3: When faced with an armed enemy committed to its destruction, which has done its very best to make war against Israeli civilians, Israel has two choices: to try to protect its civilians from those attacks, or to simply shrug its shoulders and hope that the attacks stop. There is, quite simply, no nation on earth that would choose the latter course, and no reasonable and fair-minded person who would expect it to.

Fact 4: In an effort to stop the missiles from being manufactured and used against it, and only for that reason, Israel has been forced to try to keep the materials used for that purpose out of the Gaza Strip. This is an obvious step needed to prevent the kind of war that caused so much destruction in 2008, when the increase in attacks by Hamas and its allies against Israeli civilians eventually triggered an Israeli response to stop them. There can be no real doubt that Israel is entitled to keep weapons of war from being used against it.

Fact 5: Israel repeatedly, and expressly, made clear to those who organized the effort to break the embargo that it would willingly take all of the humanitarian aid that was on their boats and transfer it to Gaza, without delay. All that Israel wanted was to be able to ensure that materials were, in fact, humanitarian aid, rather than the sorts of materials used for launching attacks that are supplied to Hamas by the Iranians and others. The organizers of the flotilla refused because, of course, getting humanitarian aid to Gaza was not what their gambit was really about.

Fact 6: Israel regularly provides humanitarian aid to Gaza, and volunteering to get the humanitarian aid from the ships to Gaza was consistent with Israeli policy all along.

And Fact 7, which is now coming to light several days after the initial and predictable barrage of criticism of Israel: Those on at least one of the ships planned all along to attack Israelis when they sought to enforce the embargo, and indeed, their attack on the Israelis was brutal.

This fact has been starkly captured in video widely circulating around the Internet, showing the vicious beatings initiated by those on board one of the ships against Israelis, who for their part had been instructed to refrain from using any force if at all possible. Indeed, in Israel the military is being criticized for failing to adequately prepare its naval personnel to anticipate the attacks on them from the boats, and for being too passive, and too trusting, in its approach to the flotilla.

As for the evidence that certain individuals of those responsible for orchestrating this tragedy are linked to Al Qaeda and other representatives of the worst forces on the planet, the next days will likely yield more information.

But the larger issue is this: Has the desire to blame Israel in certain quarters reached such an irrational frenzy that the fundamental facts of any issue relating to the Middle East conflict will reliably be overlooked? Are those who are committed to a fair-minded and reasonable analysis of that conflict prepared to insist that others who like nothing more than jumping to conclusions stop, pause, think, and consider the actual evidence?

There will always be those who don’t let facts to get in the way of their biases. But fair-minded people examine the evidence before forming conclusions, especially when emotions run high. Israel – and the cause of peace in the Middle East – is counting on them to do just that.

I see you are thoroughly brainwashed by Israeli propaganda


all of the above is

Oh noes, they terrified people. They swore to destroy the OCCUPYING REGIME that has destroyed their homes and their way of life. An OCCUPYING REGIME that has killed, raped, stoned, wounded, and in many other ways harmed and harassed them.

Gosh, it's awful surprising that people would lash back at an ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING REGIME.

Actually, let's face it, what's surprising is that they have survived this long at all against the Israelis.




Er - the occupation of Gaza ended in 2006. Since that time, Hamas has fired over 10,000 rockets and mortar bombs over the border.

I would expect that if you're going to be such a blowhard - you might try studyin' up on the region, since you obviously know NOTHING about it..

Fuckin' airhead..


Oh, well, if Israel said it ended, then surely it ended!

Fuckin' gullible dumbass.



Well Cletus, I know the facts are a nuisance to you and your idiotic kind, but here you are anyway..

[link to israelipalestinian.procon.org]

Fact 1. Hamas was democratically chosen, u know, by election. And yes is totally opposed to Israel occupation. Throwing bombs is going on from both sides. Israel has better weapons, tanks, helicopters, phosphor, laser guided missiles, etc. And uses them on a daily basis inside Palestine.

You forgot fact 8:

That Israel is an illegitimate apartheidist rouge state that was created by Jewish terrorist groups effecting an ethnic cleansing of the locals so as to make room for waves of illegal immigrants from Europe that had fuck all to do with the "holy land" for generations, with the ostensible reason for this relocation being the events of WWII which was a product of Zionist machinations in and of itself. It is a de facto theocracy whose reigning religion is based upon a core of Jewish supremacism, Jewish exceptionalism, and a doctrine of bigoted domination/subversion of other ethnic groups as being good, holy, and/or just. In short, institutionalized psychopathy.

I hope and pray that Israelis and their ideological defenders are somehow delivered unto the arms of sanity and compassion for their fellow human beings and life itself.

Uh oh, I expressed my loathing of Jewish supremacism and my wishes to have their violence (physical,spiritual,economic) against others to cease, I guess that makes me a satanic kkk moose-limb nazi joo hater.

Quick, somebody call the ADL, SPLC, JDL, thought police, mossadomites, etc... I feel more free, independent, and rational thought coming on.



Ill second that: ISRAEL is a racist, APARTHEID state; when the native Africans rebelled, the ruling whites called them "terrorists" also


see the parallel?

Oh, well, if Israel said it ended, then surely it ended!

Fuckin' gullible dumbass.



Well Cletus, I know the facts are a nuisance to you and your idiotic kind, but here you are anyway..

[link to israelipalestinian.procon.org]


More of your stupid so-called "facts."

Technically, the American Indians also have their own land, upon which they are a sovereign nation. In the mean time, the US has just stolen a huge chunk of that land, claiming "back taxes."

Just like your "fact" of the "Israeli withdrawal," the REAL fact is that what's said and what's shown is not always what's done.

The US is actively raping the American Indians of their ancestral grounds, just like Israel is actively raping the Palestinians of theirs.

The borders of Israel continue to grow, those of Gaza continue to shrink.

It's still occupation. That they claim the land now as their own, doesn't make them any LESS occupiers. Just like it doesn't make it any LESS theft that the US Government is selling the SOVEREIGN LANDS of the American Indians literally right out from under them.

Before you present so-called "facts," make sure that they are what they are pretended to be. Because the "withdrawal from Gaza" was anything BUT.

It is a continued encroachment, and it is a continued blockade.

"Israel" was 'given' land by the Allies during WWII, land that wasn't their to give to begin with. They continue to infringe upon other people, stealing land that isn't (and never was) theirs.

But hey, sure. They made a big show of "withdrawal," and you sucked it up hook, line, and stinker.

Nice try, though. Really.

I can post some pictures of the Native Americans on their reservations, and say the US Government gave them sovereign lands. But that's not FACT, it's fiction created to pacify people who would vehemently object if they knew the truth of what's being done to the the American Indians.

Just as people in general would be incensed by what Israel is doing to Gaza. Except the propaganda given by the US and IDF have made people like you sufficiently complacent and willing to justify ANY horrible act.

Even the act of brutally attacking people IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS, and EXECUTING THEM.

You will defend the "right" of Israel to attack, assault, destroy, rape, murder, and brutalize to your dying breath no doubt.

Grizzled Old Goat.

Fuckkk you you muslim lovin piece of shitt! My fuckin country israel fuckin defended itself you racist fuckk! If you love muslims then you deserved to be cut in the throat OP. This site used to be full of patriots like me but fuckkin OP wants to side with the fuckin hate filled muslims!! OP either love the USA or GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU RACIST PRICK!! You probably voted for Obomba you terrorist fuckk!

Next time vote for people that represent the USA like Sarah Palin you ignorant racist fuckk!!

Either you're loaded, or you didn't read the post.

Either you're loaded, or you didn't read the post.



I dont need to read your post you muslim apologist pile of shitt!

There are alot of people like me who will gather and wants to kill off fukin muslims and those who side with them OP. You better have alot of people cuz i have over 50 comrades who would travel from Israel just to stab you in the eye OP you fukin muslim lover and probaly a fagg lover too bitch!

For the truth as the OP sees it!

Grizzled Old Goat I completely agree with you and actually before reading your thread created one similar, whereby I challenge all of those who are Anti-Israel to please provide facts to support their claim. All we hear from them is mere opinions.

We provide concrete facts with recordings (video, audio, and written) which supports Israel's claims, yet all that is given in return is opinions. I post a video of the activists holding weapons and I get a video of some guy who is believed to be a reputable scholar, who he himself believes Israel is wrong. Why focus on others opinions? Does it really matter if the Pope, Obama, or any other prominent figure gives his or her opinion rather then providing audio and visual recordings?

To all those anti-Israel folks, imagine you were a judge deciding this case. Or if you were on a jury, would you really take someone's opinion on a matter over a recording?

Your post is SO full of lies n' bullshite - I don't know where to begin.

Let's try this: You can't compare "palestinians" to native Americans - White folks had NO history in North America when they arrived - it was a conquest.

Jews have resided in what you call "Palestine" for more than 5000 years! I know lies and deceit are your stock in trade - but do you really think everyone is as ignorant of the facts as you are?



As for Israel being given to the jews by thE allies "who had no right to give it" - you are DEAD wrong. The Arab population of the region backed Hitler, AND LOST.

having said that, the allies didn't "give" Israel to the jews - they merely facilitated it.

Islam has no right to 100% of the land in the mideast - PERIOD.

If you want to present a view, then present educated facts.

All evidence points to the fact that this flotilla was a carefully staged PR stunt, and that conflict and casualties were expected..

Yep

Like I said the minute it happened, be happy for them, for they got exactly what they wanted.



you mean fucktard, that the IDF massacre was a carefully staged operation

you got real class, ill have to say that

To all of those who keep saying "you are brainwashed by Israel propaganda"....really, is that all you can come up with. I am in law school and come from a line of attorneys and judges, if you can show me actual concrete facts and not opinions regarding this matter, I will be happy to change my views. But until then, is being brainwashed by Israeli propaganda the best you can come up with?

If you want to present a view, then present educated facts.

Your post is SO full of lies n' bullshite - I don't know where to begin.

Let's try this: You can't compare "palestinians" to native Americans - White folks had NO history in North America when they arrived - it was a conquest.

Jews have resided in what you call "Palestine" for more than 5000 years! I know lies and deceit are your stock in trade - but do you really think everyone is as ignorant of the facts as you are?



As for Israel being given to the jews by thE allies "who had no right to give it" - you are DEAD wrong. The Arab population of the region backed Hitler, AND LOST.

having said that, the allies didn't "give" Israel to the jews - they merely facilitated it.

Islam has no right to 100% of the land in the mideast - PERIOD.


So really, your Israel-a-worship is based in ignorance, fear, and Islamaphobia. No wonder. Explains a great deal.

Hypocrite, thy name is Grizzled Old Goat.

Israel isn't entitled to it, either. Neither religion is better than the other. Neither religion is entitled to slaughter people, yet you promote Israel doing so.

That you promote the slaughter of human beings, regardless of their religion, is the problem here. That you stand and defend such behavior against a severely disadvantaged people with lies and propaganda, means that you are less than the very Muslims you so revile.