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Nearly One Million US Workers Cut Off Unemployment Benefits

 
MountainTux  (OP)

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Like I said, some have been at the same job for years and years. First off, many lost their 401k savings (that they saved for emergencies and retirement) to the banksters. Then, to add insult to injury, we had to bail out the banksters with MORE of our dollars.
Great system they got going for themselves!
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Totally! I mean, even the whole 99 week think is a bit screwy. If I've worked hard for 20 years, paid my UI, Pension, etc, how can ANYONE justify giving less than TWO years' assistance? That's on par with saying because you've never kept a balance on your credit card, we're DOCKING you with higher fees because you're not making us interest.

Oh wait, aren't they actually doing that now? I know people who don't carry a "high enough" balance are having their max lowered.

It's just so utterly ridiculous, and weighted against the every day working person.
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I still don't get how Goldman Sachs et al skated on selling junk as AAA rated securities and collapsing the entire global market, including bankrupting countries like Iceland.

Oh wait. I forgot that gov'ts don't work for the people.
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I still don't get how Goldman Sachs et al skated on selling junk as AAA rated securities and collapsing the entire global market, including bankrupting countries like Iceland.

Oh wait. I forgot that gov'ts don't work for the people.
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Like I said, some have been at the same job for years and years. First off, many lost their 401k savings (that they saved for emergencies and retirement) to the banksters. Then, to add insult to injury, we had to bail out the banksters with MORE of our dollars.
Great system they got going for themselves!
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Totally! I mean, even the whole 99 week think is a bit screwy. If I've worked hard for 20 years, paid my UI, Pension, etc, how can ANYONE justify giving less than TWO years' assistance? That's on par with saying because you've never kept a balance on your credit card, we're DOCKING you with higher fees because you're not making us interest.

Oh wait, aren't they actually doing that now? I know people who don't carry a "high enough" balance are having their max lowered.

It's just so utterly ridiculous, and weighted against the every day working person.
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Most companies consider their employees as liabilities.
They would prefer slave labor. That's why they like the illegals. Low pay, no benefits. redface
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I still don't get how Goldman Sachs et al skated on selling junk as AAA rated securities and collapsing the entire global market, including bankrupting countries like Iceland.

Oh wait. I forgot that gov'ts don't work for the people.
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This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!
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Was outta work 14 months...kicked off of Unemployment after 6 months...was gonna be homeless Jan 1st...but got a job for Christmas, and I'm still there.

If I didn't luck out on this job...I still wouldn't have one.
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At least you landed a job. I even applied to 2 pet supply stores last week. Got an interview for one, but never heard back from either one.
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Like I said, some have been at the same job for years and years. First off, many lost their 401k savings (that they saved for emergencies and retirement) to the banksters. Then, to add insult to injury, we had to bail out the banksters with MORE of our dollars.
Great system they got going for themselves!
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Totally! I mean, even the whole 99 week think is a bit screwy. If I've worked hard for 20 years, paid my UI, Pension, etc, how can ANYONE justify giving less than TWO years' assistance? That's on par with saying because you've never kept a balance on your credit card, we're DOCKING you with higher fees because you're not making us interest.

Oh wait, aren't they actually doing that now? I know people who don't carry a "high enough" balance are having their max lowered.

It's just so utterly ridiculous, and weighted against the every day working person.
 Quoting: MountainTux


Ohh totally !! The 99 week thing is suspicious, cause now they are randomly making people pay it back
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Most companies consider their employees as liabilities.
They would prefer slave labor. That's why they like the illegals. Low pay, no benefits. redface
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True, and getting more so up here.

But here's the part that I find more than a bit unnerving... under normal, or historical, circumstance, I would look at what's happening to you guys and say it makes sense. Strongly resembles what happened in the late 30's, just prior to the war. And traditionally, war was good for business.

But the war business was based on manufacturing... 90%+ of which has been outsourced, both in the US AND Canada. Based on that, when war DOES break out, where does that leave the average person? Without a strong manufacturing base (which I don't see being rebuilt, but I could be wrong here, as I don't see things at a state-by-state level) when the commodities and luxuries market drops out due to lack of money to purchase and resell such items, what happens?

And while military service seems like the most likely outcome, how likely is the US to engage in conventional, infantry-style warfare? The cost in terms of simple supply and transport is utterly overwhelming, so why not rely on automated systems and unmanned tech as much as possible, save the pennies for the war pigs?

It really seems like they are trying to bring back a feudal-style system. And if they AREN'T, in a way that's scarier... because from there, ANY possible rationale gets VERY dark.
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An army 5.7 million strong. You people could get what ever you want.
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Ohh totally !! The 99 week thing is suspicious, cause now they are randomly making people pay it back
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What???

By what justification? Here, as far as I remember, the ONLY way you can be made to pay back is if you are working, and make over a certain percentage of your UI amount without claiming it, or fail to report that you have obtained employment and receive more payments while employed. My brother used to be a seasonal worker, so I learned quite a bit about it while he was laid off yearly.

On what grounds are they making people pay back UI that they need because they are UNEMPLOYED and not making money?
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For those who don't know, unemployment numbers derive from the number of people drawing benefits. If you cut a huge percentage of those people, you can make the economy look better, despite the fact that you've not helped any of those people get back into the workforce.
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extended benefits are creating a permanent dependent class

BRING OUR MANUFACTURING JOBS BACK FROM CHINA !!!
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BRING OUR MANUFACTURING JOBS BACK FROM CHINA !!!
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China has us by the balls. They can't do that now, or the China time bomb will be set off if they even try.

Plus, a lot of companies are hiring VISA workers from China, etc. to come over here. Pay them a low salary and they live in low rent apartment complexes. You can see that in Silicon Valley.
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BRING OUR MANUFACTURING JOBS BACK FROM CHINA !!!
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+10000

Most people don't seem to understand just what outsourcing and cessation of manufacturing has done to the economy.

I mean, in order to produce SOME things, the US would have to buy back rights to use it's OWN patented milling dies, which China could REFUSE to do.

It's created dependence on an external source. If China wanted to destroy North America, simply holding back goods that we can no longer PRODUCE would do the trick.

Not to mention the MASSIVE NUMBER of jobs that would be recreated, and the rebuilding of economic independence. How much money being shipped overseas would stay in North America? And realistically, it's more than possible for the economic benefit to offset the initially higher costs of home-manufactured goods.
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BRING OUR MANUFACTURING JOBS BACK FROM CHINA !!!


China has us by the balls. They can't do that now, or the China time bomb will be set off if they even try.

Plus, a lot of companies are hiring VISA workers from China, etc. to come over here. Pay them a low salary and they live in low rent apartment complexes. You can see that in Silicon Valley.
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That's the problem. They are KINGS on a low salary. Even if they can save 1/4 of their pay by living a communal life when they go back they are set because of the currency difference.

And it benefits corporations here and THERE. Revaluing currencies are met with strong resistance. We pay.
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The North American worker has nowhere to go. We have to sit around and get shafted by 1st world inflation while being forced to accept increasingly 2nd or 3rd world wages according to our society.
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Boohoo. GET A JOB.

There's jobs, illegals can get jobs.
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Boohoo. GET A JOB.

There's jobs, illegals can get jobs.
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Clean my toilet douchebag.

Illegals can get jobs because of criminal companies.
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Boohoo. GET A JOB.

There's jobs, illegals can get jobs.
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Wow, aren't YOU an ass.

Of COURSE illegals can get jobs... because employers don't have to pay them on the books, submit taxes and deductions for them, can pay them at FAR less than subsidence wages, which in turn aren't taxed to 52%.

Of course, some people work under the table to try to supplement EI... and then get BURNT for it, end up paying back MORE than they made, and getting branded as frauds for trying to make ends meet.

And of course, with MILLIONS out of work, there are SO many jobs up for grabs... because of course every SINGLE one of those drawing UI are just sucking the system and not TRYING to work. And because they are doing SO much frivolous spending from that small percentage of a normal wage, businesses are BOOMING, and just screaming for help...

You, aside from being a disgrace to that flag, are a twatwaffle.
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I am getting my last check. No 99 weeks or extentions for me.

I lost my job after my boss shoved me into a filing cabinet when the owner was out of town. He fired me and then tried saying I quit. I stuck it out a week longer after what he did, because I needed the income and no, it wasn't a nice place to be.

I could get a job if I leave my husband and move out of the area. There really is nothing here.

So, I am going back to school and living off student loans.
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Boohoo. GET A JOB.

There's jobs, illegals can get jobs.


Wow, aren't YOU an ass.

Of COURSE illegals can get jobs... because employers don't have to pay them on the books, submit taxes and deductions for them, can pay them at FAR less than subsidence wages, which in turn aren't taxed to 52%.

Of course, some people work under the table to try to supplement EI... and then get BURNT for it, end up paying back MORE than they made, and getting branded as frauds for trying to make ends meet.

And of course, with MILLIONS out of work, there are SO many jobs up for grabs... because of course every SINGLE one of those drawing UI are just sucking the system and not TRYING to work. And because they are doing SO much frivolous spending from that small percentage of a normal wage, businesses are BOOMING, and just screaming for help...

You, aside from being a disgrace to that flag, are a twatwaffle.
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+10

It's either the government looks the other way because "those are jobs no "LAZY" Canadian" will do or they actively participate in importing cheap at times substandard labour to appease their corporate lobbyists.

But god forbid as you say, a person that tries to keep the lights on and food on the table by supplementing themselves in the economy they are so vigourously supporting. Outsourcing and tax breaks and subsidies to scab companies that go take pennies on the dollar labour.

YOU are a criminal by doing that. The companies can globetrot, the import workers can too. But YOU criminal, you are in the "1st" world even as we the gov't try our best to appease third world corporate and import worker profit. YOU should be thankful.


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I am getting my last check. No 99 weeks or extentions for me.

I lost my job after my boss shoved me into a filing cabinet when the owner was out of town. He fired me and then tried saying I quit. I stuck it out a week longer after what he did, because I needed the income and no, it wasn't a nice place to be.

I could get a job if I leave my husband and move out of the area. There really is nothing here.

So, I am going back to school and living off student loans.
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I think my head is about to explode.

People are putting up with so much shit these days because they are fearful of losing a job.
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People are putting up with so much shit these days because they are fearful of losing a job.
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Scary, yet true.

It's becoming a rule-by-fear for many. Not only do many have to accept sub-par wages, but overwork and abuse, simply because when employers say "I have a STACK of resumes from people who would be HAPPY to have your job," they're simply telling the TRUTH.

And before anyone comes back with the sorry old "labour board" saw, let's just nip that one right in the bud. Yes, you have recourse to go to the labour board, and if you are in the right, they can force an employer to keep you. JUST long enough for that employer to manufacture a "legitimate" reason to get rid of you. At which point you become a hot potato, because that FOLLOWS you. Who wants to hire a "troublemaker," and who has the time or cares to actually investigate who was in the right?

No, it's clear that there is definitely some sort of truth in the rumours that the higher-ups are finally making a REAL move towards TRUE class separation. There will soon be only two classes... the poor and their owners. Because once things hit a certain level, ALL will be working poor, because everything pools at the bottom of a hill, and those that hold the money can decide just exactly how they want the rest of us to perform.

It's criminal, scary, and sad, but OH so close to being reality...
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Second Tank Collapses at Fort McMurray Work Site (9:16 p.m.)

A second oil storage tank has collapsed at the Horizon oilsands construction site north of Fort McMurray where two Chinese workers were killed in April.

By Edmonton Journal May 13, 2007

[link to www.canada.com]

Chinese workers ripped off, gov't admits

EDMONTON - Chinese workers who helped build a series of tanks in northern Alberta last year took home a small fraction of what their Canadian counterparts were paid.

By The Edmonton Journal June 18, 2008

[link to www.canada.com]

The government has no business allowing cutthroats into our country. Then they try to act all surprised and will "go after them".
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People are putting up with so much shit these days because they are fearful of losing a job.


Scary, yet true.

It's becoming a rule-by-fear for many. Not only do many have to accept sub-par wages, but overwork and abuse, simply because when employers say "I have a STACK of resumes from people who would be HAPPY to have your job," they're simply telling the TRUTH.

And before anyone comes back with the sorry old "labour board" saw, let's just nip that one right in the bud. Yes, you have recourse to go to the labour board, and if you are in the right, they can force an employer to keep you. JUST long enough for that employer to manufacture a "legitimate" reason to get rid of you. At which point you become a hot potato, because that FOLLOWS you. Who wants to hire a "troublemaker," and who has the time or cares to actually investigate who was in the right?

No, it's clear that there is definitely some sort of truth in the rumours that the higher-ups are finally making a REAL move towards TRUE class separation. There will soon be only two classes... the poor and their owners. Because once things hit a certain level, ALL will be working poor, because everything pools at the bottom of a hill, and those that hold the money can decide just exactly how they want the rest of us to perform.

It's criminal, scary, and sad, but OH so close to being reality...
 Quoting: MountainTux




It is already reality.


In Canada it is LEGAL for an employer to fire an employee for no reason whatsoever during the first three months of employment.



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First off, the article wad obviously written by a communist/socialist...

"...those deprived of work by the economic crisis of capitalism..."

Bullshit, capitalism itself is not the culprit. A few corrupt power brokers in banking institutions and governments worldwide are responsible but will never be held accountable.

Now I ask this, to collect unemployment, I would need to be employed for at minimum 6 months, if I am fired/layer off at the end of this 6 months, should I be able to collect any "benefit" from the government for a time period up to almost 4 times the length of my employment? That is assinine.
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How come it's not Capitalism? Isn't the meme of Capitalism, the bottom line?
That's how jobs get sent overseas and the one willing to work for the less money gets all the jobs.

Business is not at fault. An Ethical business will take in consideration it's obligation to the community, enviroment as much as the bottom line.

It's Capitalism, that has destroyed the ability of everybody all over the earth to make a living by by promoting greed, selfishness and individualism above everything else.

How stupid is it put all the land in a few people's hands and make everybody else forget how to use it?

In the end Capitalism is going to destroy itself as every one who has ever studied what it does in the world, has predicted.

In fact, it's already destroyed--printing money and surviving on credit.

Since the dawn of time, Business used to evlevate society and mankind.

Now most of them just grab, grab, kill, steal, and destroy.

And that's Capitalism--not coorparatism, socialism, communism or anything else.

That's a system that don't care about anything but piling up money for a few that they will never be able to spend or use.

If you have all the money in the world and everybody else is starving, rebelling, or crazy from stress, what is your money going to buy?
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by the way I am an IT professional with certs of MCP, MCSE and A+ and tons of IT training to boot.
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I'll bet you were replaced by Haji.
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"...those deprived of work by the economic crisis of capitalism..."

Bullshit, capitalism itself is not the culprit. A few corrupt power brokers in banking institutions and governments worldwide are responsible but will never be held accountable.

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Really? Then feel free to explain to me, if it is only a FEW corrupt power brokers, and not a systemic issue, then how is it that the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT gave them a SEVEN BILLION DOLLAR bailout? That's a lot of money to give to a few "corrupt power brokers," especially because it's money from YOUR pocket, and the pocket of EVERY UNEMPLOYED AMERICAN who's just been told that they aren't NEARLY as significant as someone who could LOSE their job today and STILL live comfortably for the rest of their lives!

You can't sidestep in that manner, my friend. And yes, if you work for six months, you can claim the full amount of your LEGALLY MANDATED ASSISTANCE. The system is set up to protect EVERYONE, not just those that you deem "worthy." Or is it better for said person to have been COMPLETELY unproductive, be claiming welfare and foods stamps INSTEAD of unemployment, and be a 100% tax burden?

I agree in form with some of what you are saying. The bottom line, however, is that whether you feel it's systemic or simply a localized corruption, the end result is the same... EVERY American taking it from behind from their own government. There should NEVER be such a thing as "too big to fail," and trying to propagate that sentiment is what WILL make the American economy fail in the not-so-long run. And at that point, who CARES what you call the system?

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Ohh totally !! The 99 week thing is suspicious, cause now they are randomly making people pay it back


What???

By what justification? Here, as far as I remember, the ONLY way you can be made to pay back is if you are working, and make over a certain percentage of your UI amount without claiming it, or fail to report that you have obtained employment and receive more payments while employed. My brother used to be a seasonal worker, so I learned quite a bit about it while he was laid off yearly.

On what grounds are they making people pay back UI that they need because they are UNEMPLOYED and not making money?
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Well, that's the thing. You know how you have to fill out your bi-weekly form and mail it in, and it asks if you made any money. So I got a temporary job, 1 week job, included it on my form, and they called the company, and the company said I quit. Soo, I got a phone call from EDD one day saying are you ready for your phone interview. I said I wasnt aware I had one. They said they couldnt do it untill I got the paperwork in the mail. They never sent it. I called to let them know I never got it after a 2nd request, when the truth of the matter is, is they never sent it. I waited 4 weeks for this paperwork, in the mean time no benefits. The employer I worked a temp job for, freaked out didnt want to be liable for having to give me benefits, when they werent liable, and I was denied the remainer of my benefits. THEN, I get a letter from EDD in the mail, (funny how you selective they are with paperwork they send you), saying I owed 2 weeks plus a penalty of 300.00. This after I told EDD I was hired as a temp to fill in for 1 week while someone was on vacation. I said they are lying.
I didnt quit ! I called the company and they said they didnt want to be on the hook for my unemployment. WTF !!

So I run into a random person 2 weeks ago, and as we are sharing our unemployment stories, she tells me and EDD rep told her never to include any earnings on the form or they will deny you your benefits and then tell you to pay it back. An EDD rep told her this !!!

My EDD check was my only income. How the hell am I supposed to pay it back, when I cant get a job, and they denied me my benefits ? With what money am I supposed to pay it back with ? Sure I can appeal it, but after talking to a lawyer, I was told I would lose. And that this is a common practice for EDD. And will have to pay it back regardless. All because I was honest !! Do you believe that shit ! Honesty gets you no where !

So, in closing, dont trust EDD. Now I'm without a job, no money whatsoever coming in, and I cannot get a job.

They are out of money, and this is how they are getting some of it back, by telling you, they overpaid you, and you have to pay it back. Even though I've worked for 27 yrs of my life, and this is the longest I have ever been unemployed.





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