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User ID: 769770 Puerto Rico 06/28/2010 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hopefully you become enlightened prior to any near death experience. If you must have that close of a call to open your eyes to reality on the grand scale, then I imagine it is better than dieing without ever becoming enlightened at all. Many have had enlightenment experiences in near death, but many also do not. I am not a specialist in this area but I do believe that if you have been living correct to begin with you are going to be ok either way it goes. Good Luck in this quest of knowledge in the field of the unknown. Theories: Misconceptions awaiting confirmation of incorrectness. Everything is subject to continually changing variables, leaving nothing to remain as a constant.]D)one!!!! :nfrnl1111: |
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(OP) User ID: 561062 United States 06/28/2010 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [nfeRnaL] Quoting: Hopefully you become enlightened prior to any near death experience. If you must have that close of a call to open your eyes to reality on the grand scale, then I imagine it is better than dieing without ever becoming enlightened at all. Many have had enlightenment experiences in near death, but many also do not. I am not a specialist in this area but I do believe that if you have been living correct to begin with you are going to be ok either way it goes. Good Luck in this quest of knowledge in the field of the unknown. thats has always been my thought too. if you are a good person, regardless of what god turns out to be the right one, you will be ok. glad to see I'm not the only one with that philosophy |
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User ID: 769770 Puerto Rico 06/28/2010 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thats has always been my thought too. if you are a good person, regardless of what god turns out to be the right one, you will be ok. Quoting: Aileanaglad to see I'm not the only one with that philosophy I would gather that along with being a lovely young woman, you have an equally beautiful mind as well with a response like you have given here. You apparently are on the right track mentally, and being pretty is a plus for you as well. I'll see about reserving you a seat on the right flight, if I have any say in that matter where you are concerned. Always liked sitting next to the pretty women,...]-[3]-[ !! Theories: Misconceptions awaiting confirmation of incorrectness. Everything is subject to continually changing variables, leaving nothing to remain as a constant.]D)one!!!! :nfrnl1111: |
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(OP) User ID: 561062 United States 06/28/2010 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [nfeRnaL] Quoting: thats has always been my thought too. if you are a good person, regardless of what god turns out to be the right one, you will be ok. glad to see I'm not the only one with that philosophy I would gather that along with being a lovely young woman, you have an equally beautiful mind as well with a response like you have given here. You apparently are on the right track mentally, and being pretty is a plus for you as well. I'll see about reserving you a seat on the right flight, if I have any say in that matter where you are concerned. Always liked sitting next to the pretty women,...]-[3]-[ !! that would be an honor and something i would greatly look forward too |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 789975 United States 06/28/2010 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's such a personal thing...it really depends on the person who goes through something like that and what their beiefs are and how they perceive what they experienced. I think the more you're rooted in the old "religious" philosophy you're more likely to see angels and demons because thats what you believe exists... If you're more in tune with nature you may see something very different... I know we are living eternally no matter what happens to our physical body...and no matter how violent or opressive we are on earth...we live always...the whys and hows are not always the clearest... But does an NDE "give" a person enlightenment? NO...but people do often come to the realization of greater things because of an experience like that... |
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brewhaha User ID: 794649 United States 06/28/2010 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have had a few near death experiences,really close calls. My friends that know me well all are amazed I'm still here. I'm not sure how enlightened I am. I do think that to be enlightened one must realize Life is a big mystery. Keep reading the Tao! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 982560 Finland 06/28/2010 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Near death experiences are caused by chemicals in your brain making you think you're going to heaven/hell. Quoting: dereisticThats bs...many people has been dead for hours and had zero brain activity. Plus, how do you explain things which people saw while having out of body experience and they had no way to know about those but later it was confirmed what they saw indeed happened. There are many cases like this. Even group near-death experiences. |
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User ID: 1014192 United States 06/28/2010 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I participated in a study done by a university on near death experiences and the aftermath. I was included in the study more as a control subject, since I had a severe head injury and experienced some of the same type of experiences others claim to have during "near death". The study focused a lot on thoughts, memories and religious beliefs before and after the experience. Mine did not change due to the experience. I stand by the idea that it is a lot of activity going on in the brain. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 999738 United Kingdom 06/28/2010 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Near death experiences are caused by chemicals in your brain making you think you're going to heaven/hell. Quoting: dereisticI think that the first stages of death when Hypoxia is kicking in makes you feel euphoric, but there is more to this than meets the eye. |
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User ID: 769770 Puerto Rico 06/28/2010 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that would be an honor and something i would greatly look forward too Quoting: AileanaIf you see this ugly old man [link to i585.photobucket.com] sitting alone, you found me and your seat. I need to shave and take a new pic. That is 2 years old now and I have a dark tan,...will be darker after I get done with these projects. Conversation will be interesting without a doubt seeing as I am a lunatic. Theories: Misconceptions awaiting confirmation of incorrectness. Everything is subject to continually changing variables, leaving nothing to remain as a constant.]D)one!!!! :nfrnl1111: |
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User ID: 846424 United Kingdom 06/28/2010 10:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Near death experiences are caused by chemicals in your brain making you think you're going to heaven/hell. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 982560Thats bs...many people has been dead for hours and had zero brain activity. Plus, how do you explain things which people saw while having out of body experience and they had no way to know about those but later it was confirmed what they saw indeed happened. There are many cases like this. Even group near-death experiences. Smoke some DMT, you'll find out soon enough. "And as things fell apart, nobody paid much attention" |
NDE'r User ID: 1018535 United States 06/28/2010 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.near-death.com] best site on web for nde's. lots and lots of info. Kevin did a great job on this. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1017411 United States 06/28/2010 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | or just confuse you more about what should be there after we die? Quoting: Aileanawhat do you believe happens after death? This might be hard to believe - but about 5 yrs ago I actually had an enlightenment. The experience lasted about 5 mos. And since the experience, I have studied the experiences of many others and virtually all were like mine - that is to say that the *first* experience is temporary and usually lasts about 3 mos. After this experience I read many books which I would have been too skeptical of to read before, one of which was the Magus of Java. In this book, the author travels to Java to learn from a genuine Taoist master. In the book, this master discusses what it's like to be dead. A fascinating read. btw: tho I cannot say whether or not I was fully enlightened (I don't think I was), I nevertheless had many amazing "supernatural" and spiritual experiences as a result. Simply put, the enlightenment experience is the state of no desire. I (as well as others who've had the experience) are in a state of profound peace because there is no desire for anything - not for objects of the senses, nor for any type of change. There's no desire to help nor harm others. It is only in this state that one can really find peace. All is finally right with the world and there is no need to change anything. As well, in this state the opposites of right and wrong, good and evil make no sense. In fact, it is this knowledge of the opposites of good and evil that got Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden (i.e. perfection). In the state of enlightenment, there is no right or wrong, good or evil... That is the hidden meaning behind Adam and Eve. "When You make the two one, and when You make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when You make the male and the female one, so that the male will not be male nor the female female ... then will You enter the Kingdom." —Gospel of Thomas (22) ----- "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about. Ideas, language, even the phrase "each other" doesn't make any sense." —Rumi ----- "Three pounds of flax in front of your nose, Close enough, and mind is still closer. Whoever talks about affirmation and negation lives in the right and wrong region." —Zen Master Mumon |
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User ID: 784150 Puerto Rico 06/30/2010 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Aileana" I got your mail,... I can't help but know you would be better served changing your avatar to one with a smile. ; ) Last Edited by ][nƒ³RnªL on 06/30/2010 09:54 PM Theories: Misconceptions awaiting confirmation of incorrectness. Everything is subject to continually changing variables, leaving nothing to remain as a constant.]D)one!!!! :nfrnl1111: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 222101 United States 06/30/2010 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | or just confuse you more about what should be there after we die? Quoting: Aileanawhat do you believe happens after death? In many of the NDEs I have read about, they gain spiritual knowledge but their lives become very hard. Some of them even get told their lives will be hard, but they still choose to come back. I find that interesting. Must be some divine purpose in it all. |
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User ID: 1031658 United Kingdom 07/10/2010 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all have Guardian Angels, and I'm afraid devils also assigned to us. They will fill these groups of devils in about your life and what will work best on you. Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God. Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman]. STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1029779 United States 07/10/2010 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. The very concept of "enlightenment" is concerned with giving light as a carrier of "wisdom." That is a lie from the Serpent/Beast. Almighty God created light ONLY to divide the day and the night. "3Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day." Almighty God does not send "light" to give humankind spiritual wisdom. Now who has the title "light bringer"?? "12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that didst lay low the nations! 13 And thou saidst in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to Sheol, to the uttermost parts of the pit." Isaiah 14 Almighty God gave HIS Prophets who were faithful and true to Him, His wisdom for humankind: "1 Now this is the commandment, the statutes, and the ordinances, which your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it– 2 that thou mightest fear thy God, to keep all His statutes and His commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son’s son, all the days of thy life; 3 Hear therefore, O JESHURUN , and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the God of thy fathers, hath promised unto thee–a land flowing with milk and honey. 4 Hear, O JESHURUN : our God, is one. 5 And thou shalt love thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the peoples that are round about you;" Deuteronomy 6 This ^^^^^ is ALL THE LAW OF ALMIGHTY GOD THAT THERE IS. EVERYTHING ELSE is a lie, a counterfeit, designed to confuse and mislead the Children of God so that they DO serve the "other gods." So now, WHO is IT that is bringing this "light" and what could possibly be the purpose? |
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Vincent User ID: 1029824 United States 07/11/2010 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a few have posted their NDE here on GLP, here is mine Thread: MY NDE |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1031640 United States 07/11/2010 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Was the final straw that Cured my fear of death. I like Kevin's site the most [link to www.near-death.com] |