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Definite Proof: God DOESN’T EXIST! Part1

 
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First we need to agree that a TRUE GOD can ONLY be All-Loving, All-Knowing and All-Powerful (ALAKAP). Thus, I can prove that the character presented in the Bibles is NOT, I repeat, IS NOT, ALAKAP!!! In fact, he’s none of these things!!! And I have MANY (logical/rational) proofs/evidence. The concept of God we (Jewish, Christians and Muslim) know about is a logical fallacy. The (Good, All-loving) GOD we believe in doesn’t exist!
I will present in this (lengthy) discussion (split in 2 threads for more comfortable reading) 4 points/questions to illustrate my claim.

I will use simple words and reasoning to express «my» ideas. Not only for everyone to understand but to show that it’s not necessary to use complex/obscure words to explain even the most difficult topics. And to don’t let or make people think that they understand something, in fact, meaningless…
The following is NOT an attack on anyone. It’s a genuine attempt to transmit/share some «knowledge» to explain «our» (mis)conception of «God». Later on, I will have more material/questions like: Does having faith in the Bible mean having faith in the men who wrote it? Can we be Righteous, thus worthy of Heaven? A text on ‘The Holy Spirit, Christ, sin, miracles…

I have nothing to sell, no book nor DVD.
I guess, if you had to, you could call me a skeptic-agnostic.
I am not a follower nor a «hater» of the God of the Bible(s) nor ANY other conception of God (religions).
I’m not an atheist either. That’s a belief system too. Yes it is, because contrary to their claim, it’s not only that they don’t believe in God, but they believe God does not exist. There is no doubt in their mind or, if there is, they are unknowingly agnostic.
I especially don’t believe that we (human-beings) are Gods nor perfect. Far from it. I believe we are desperately scared, thus delusional, selfish, pervert little creatures. But it can be changed! We can evolve! But for that, we have to painfully loose our illusions first.

Don’t ask me questions on specific quotes of the Bibles. This thread is meant to be a metaphysical one. I don’t want to discuss any particular religion. I am no theologian. And please, keep the discussion on the arguments I present. Thank you.
So, let’s begin…

A- Is God omniscient (All-knowing)? Is it compatible with free-will?

I - God doubts!
We’ll see Job’s test (part C), in the light of God’s fairness or perfection but now I will show that these «tests» reveal something much more troublesome about God: His apparent DOUBT/lack of knowledge! We’ll use the First Test, the one which decided our fate as mortal human-beings: Adam & Eve‘s.

Why test Adam and Eve (A&E), beings that HE, HIMSELEF, created? Does He NOT KNOW their perfection? How come, even being perfect GOD still (can) have doubts(?) about them and need to administrate a test?! 
God is supposed to be OMNISCIENT (All-knowing), for him to doubt... Wouldn’t that mean that HE ISN’T omniscient in fact? Knowing EVERYTHING means EVERYTHING, no less.

Also, does He not KNOW their future reactions?
He's supposed to know anything anyone will do before they're even born/created! Past, present, future (because time is meaningless for him and because he is the one deciding of the course of the future) action/thoughts, HE KNOWS it ALL, right?
That means there is NO result of any "test", NO choice to make that He doesn’t know about before one is even confronted with it!

He even send (or let) Satan/the Serpent to tempt them. He, at the very least, knows the Serpent try to do so. Don’t tell me He doesn’t (know) because if you do, that’s proof He isn’t All-knowing.
So, one has to wonder: Does God WANT to cast A&E out of Eden? Because or He’s VERY doubtful of their obedience (BTW is obedience a necessary component of perfection???) or He’s trying hard to make them disobey (By sending or letting Satan convince us)!
This logical evidence should suffice to understand that something's wrong, shouldn’t it?

Really, how is it possible that GOD (All-knowing) doesn’t know how HIS OWN creations would react in any situation? What's even the purpose of testing the righteous/perfect ones? Does He need to be sure? Again, GOD not being sure, doubting, NOT KNOWING makes perfect sense to you???
Or, is it that, TRULY, He is NOT ALL-knowing?

II - Free-will
Some would, at this point, pull out their wild-card, the magic word, for any such impossible, illogical account of potential «events»: free-will. I mean that once the concept of free-will is introduced in our mind/reasoning, we (more accurately Faithers) forget that HE ‘put it there’.
This word is supposed to explain by its own nearly all the inconsistencies and stop all further embarrassing questions. It's just that… It doesn’t.

What means free-will when, again, our creator knows EVERYTHING we have done (thought of), are doing (thinking) and will ever do (think) as an All-knowing God is supposed to?
It simply means that we (as Adam or Job) have the ILLUSION of a choice, but everything is known beforehand by GOD.
I know... It would mean that we have a pervert liar as GOD, because HE knew that HE'd cast out A&E out of Eden even before to create them, and make them (thus mankind) think that He didn’t (know).

Or is it that He doesn’t know everything?!.. No alternative.

More?
From our (A&E or Job) point of view we believe we have a choice but GOD knows better. Hence the concept of a Destiny written in stone for everyone of us.

To try to get around the problem, I heard some Christians say: «God knows the laws of nature perfectly so he created us in a way that suits us perfectly.» Did He now?
You see that’s exactly the kind of intellectual compromise and mistakes that prevents us to see the inconsistencies in religions and the proof that it’s manmade.
(The) God (of the Bibles) doesn’t only KNOW the «laws of nature» and what is needed for us to be peaceful, worthy and have a meaningful life.
He doesn’t only reveal them to us to «help» us and let us make true choices by giving us free-will.
As you think, yes, it seems beautiful to want to be truly followed by true choice and free-will.

The problem is: IF HE KNOWS THE RULES, WHAT WE SHOULD DO TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL AND PEACEFUL LIFE, IT‘S BECAUSE HE CREATED THEM, ALL OF THEM. Like he did for our «free-will».
He didn’t merely explain us any rules… HE CREATED THEM! That changes everything!
If he truly wanted to help us he would have created laws that were, at least, «applicable» by humans! Even with a lot of determination and strength through out our whole life…
But, As I will explain in a later thread, it’s simply IMPOSSIBLE to any human-being to be righteous, to follow ALL the rules and NEVER SIN, to be PERFECT. (That’s why priests are of the worst kind… As they try to make us believe that they are…)
So, this kind of argument doesn’t hold a minute. WE BELIEVE we have free-will but it’s a lie because HE KNOWS and CREATE everything: EVEN THE LAWS OF OUR UNIVERSE, THE LAWS PRESIDING OVER OUR MIND. Because if He didn’t created them, WHO or WHAT DID? Would the concept of a God still be valid or even useful?

Truly, it’s a mistake because the writers couldn’t see free-will would be INCOMPATIBLE with an ALL-knowing God BECAUSE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS! They were limited, humans. and by deduction, it’s a proof that God didn’t write the Bible!
Still think the Bibles show clear genius?

Even so, only knowing the rules, why did he still create us knowing that we couldn’t (or even WOULDN’T) abide by all of them? Does that seem All-loving to you?
And IT STILL DOESN’T CHANGE THE FACT HE KNEW, EVEN BEFORE CREATING THEM THAT HE WOULD SACRIFICE AND COMDEMN TO HELL A&E, THUS US!!!
All-loving, indeed…
Thus, let‘s examine exhibit B:

B- Is God All-loving, pure Good?

How can an All-loving God create evil creatures??? Even if they are not evil from the start.
How can perfect/All-loving beings can become evil??? (Satan, Nephilim, men). And don’t tell me by choice/free-will!
If a being is 100% perfect/loving, pure… He shouldn’t be able to experience nor choose evil because it’s not in him (his being)!
So it means that some of His creations were partly evil. Was it a choice or was it because Evil is part of God??? Because and anyway, for Evil to exist, it MUST BE God’s creation! He created EVERYTHING! Or, isn’t He the God we think he is? Because, for sure Evil (suffering, injustice, violence, atrocities, fear…) exists…
These questions should, again, suffice to show the misconception and anthropomorphism of the concept of God. And I find that to be a clear paradox demonstrating blatant incoherence between a PERCIEVED All-loving God and a behavior qualified by HIMSELF of «Evil».

We can point out some passages where it is said (by God) that he brought Evil on men.
How could a pure All-loving being, as Supreme as HE may be, kill anyone, bring EVIL on men? (Jeremiah 6:19, Deuteronomy 30:15 & 30:19 -« death, cursing »- and more…) There are only examples, there are more of these passages in the Bible.
Isn‘t it the worst paradox ever?!?
If Satan is also responsible for atrocities committed on mankind, why did God create him?? How can God even let him act? Is there even a need for Satan if God himself can be Evil?? (See Torah & Old Testament)
Well, if He created him (Satan) on purpose, that’s his mission, right? And if He didn’t create him on purpose, He’s not God. Simple, really.
Does HE approve of Satan’s actions because (all?) the targeted ones deserve it? Does HE let Satan do HIS dirty work? How can a newborn baby or a child can deserve to go to Hell???
How come that, for the same actions, Satan is considered evil and God loving?
Also, how can anyone believe in Satan (an evil God rival) when it‘s CLEARLY stated in the Bible that he’s his right hand (Lucifer. See Job and the test)?
Well, I guess it’s not that clear. Is it because the concept of an Evil One appears in The New Testament?
And IT CHANGES A LOT OF THINGS. Like Hell, maybe? Like saying « GOD is all Good and it’s Satan who’s all Evil.»?
But, did the right hand of GOD become evil long after the creation of Man and its demise in the eye of GOD??? Yes, because we have to assume that as Moses (first God’s «contactee») was not told of the existence of Satan, he didn’t exist in his times! Or did God (or Moses) lie by omission?

Is God even concerned by our salvation? Does HE simply stay back, watch and wait for a drastic reduction of the population to finish us HIMSELF with his vengeful wrath (Final Judgment)?
Is that His way of «saving» the righteous ones? Who are the righteous ones , by the way?
Will Chinese, Indians... anyone who never had the "chance" to learn about even the existence of Christ nor, even, the concept of an All-loving-yet-vengeful GOD (loving, vengeful... Oxymoron anyone?) will be denied Heaven? Is that fair and loving?

How many will be worthy of HIM? 2billions? 1? 500 millions? Hmm, I know this number from somewhere, don’t you?
Do you see the incoherencies of all this? Because now there is an All-hating entity (Satan) and a God who can also be hating/vengeful/angry… So not All-loving I guess.

Continuing, how could He condemn ANY of HIS creations, of HIS children, HIS beloved ones to ETERNAL DAMNATION???
To kill, is harsh already... He does that because HE’s judging us: we are not «worthy» of HIM, therefore it’s Hell for us! And Hell is ETERNAL damnation… I think many of us don’t know what it takes to be truly righteous (Yet, they BELIEVE they are)… Nor grasp the meaning of eternal, really.
All-loving indeed... Sorry, vengeful indeed... Confused already? Wait it‘s only warm up time.

For some passages in the Bible (Isaiah for example) I certainly agree that it shows real evil men doing evil deeds (like throwing their own children in the fire) and worshipping evil gods. I would easily clean the face of the earth of them because, IMO, they aren’t human-beings anymore.
Still, I’m not as loving as (an All-loving/merciful/perfect) God (should be), and His message of ABSOLUTE non-violence.
Also, He intervenes when HE is concerned, but not to help us… Clearly caring indeed…
There should be no possible EVIL act from a PURELY GOOD God. NO exception.

What about violence?
Jesus, himself, forced the merchants out of the temple yelling at and kicking them. If this doesn’t imply anger and violence, I don’t know what does… And this to protect a «pile of stones» from sacrilege…

Did God truly wrote the Bible through carefully chosen men?
But in this case, how can we explain the obvious contradictions like this one. Jesus is known for its peaceful teachings. He even asks us to «give the other cheekbone», but him and his father, God, allow themselves to be violent, homicidal or even Evil??? Are God and Jesus liars, hypocrites?
How many clear paradoxes, incoherencies does one need to understand the nonsense of it all?!

It can also be that Jesus never asked of us to «give the other cheekbone», maybe violence is accepted only when justified in the defense of others‘ lives, ourselves and certain principles (like «you don’t do commerce in the house of God» maybe?). I would think that would be fair and just…
But that would also mean that the words of Jesus have been distorted/corrupted or simply created/put in his mouth to serve some people’s agenda?…
For example, would that be beneficial for the masters of this era, the Romans? Guess what? Yes! What better way, for Romans (and for any wannabe masters), to enslave/slaughter a whole bunch of people? Make them believe that their God forbid violence/rebellion in any way, for any reasons!

Even «better» (sarcasm) and utterly outrageous: if someone rob you, give him more; if someone punish you (even unfairly): ask for (or do) more…
I can understand that we’re not supposed to own anything and, even, that ownership is just an illusion. I can also understand that the best way to be (seen as) strong is being able to (show that you can) endure more than others and more that our masters can even think about… For the remote chance they leave us alone because they cannot break us… Still, they can simply kill us.
But we don’t care, we’ll go to Heaven, right? Everything is based on our belief that there is an Heaven, that we have a soul… We’ll come back on that in a later thread.

We need to be serious a minute... How come what is BEST for wannabe masters/thieves/selfish-careless/evil men is also the best way for us to behave to go to Heaven? Convenient, strange you say? No... «For what we suffer on earth, more will be enjoyed in Heaven» (for the remote chance there's anyone there because as we will see it‘s impossible to be perfect/righteous) and for them the opposite... Right...
Can wolves ask for more than sheep WILLING to get slaughtered? That's the beasts wonderland...

But hey, for the ones who cannot endure the pain, misunderstanding, void… of our seemingly pointless lives, remember... We cannot commit suicide, doing so is taking the highway straight to Hell for us... Come on now, what's a dead slave good for?
We don’t even have a right over our own lives. If THEY get the chance, THEY will decide when and how our sacrifice must occur. Nothing is to be wasted, it would be a shame, wouldn't it?

Don’t forget that the «non-action/non-violence» paradigm, is only understood/valid in the light of the belief in the existence of the «soul» . Again, a convenient belief that serves, at least HERE (in the life we KNOW without doubt exists) only our «masters» and would render us slaves of ANY cruel, «evil» person who would decide it.

More? Go on reading the next thread: Definite Proof that God DOESN’T EXIST! Part2
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If you're always, always talking about God, you can't be an agnostic. And since you claim to not be an atheist, I'll conclude you're just an apostate, heretical, schismatic, impious and renegade Christian.
Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.
And on that farm he had a cow, ee-i-ee-i-o.
With a moo moo here and a moo moo there
Here a moo, there a moo, everywhere a moo moo
Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.
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If you're always, always talking about God, you can't be an agnostic. And since you claim to not be an atheist, I'll conclude you're just an apostate, heretical, schismatic, impious and renegade Christian.
 Quoting: Jenkins


I wrote a thread about God, yes.
Does that mean I'm always speak about God?? No.

Read the thread and argue against it. That would be more productive.
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Your thread doesn't even have sources. It sounds like a really bad rant.
Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.
And on that farm he had a cow, ee-i-ee-i-o.
With a moo moo here and a moo moo there
Here a moo, there a moo, everywhere a moo moo
Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.
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Hi OP, you have very good and legitimate questions, and God respects that you even take the time out to reflect upon such issues. I have no solid answers, but the Bible, just like life and human nature is not black and white, it is complex.

"Already in the Kabbala there is the teaching, that God has limited Himself in the world, in order to be loved, to be known. God desired freedom. This thought is very dear also with me. It arises upon a Christian soil, since Christianity is a religion of the God-Man and God-manhood, a religion Divine-human, of an infinite affinity of the Divine and the human."
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Let me steer you to some mateiral, that may aid in your journey.

[link to www.berdyaev.com]
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Your thread doesn't even have sources. It sounds like a really bad rant.
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Sources... LOL...
That's my own "work", my own ideas, arguments... of course there's no source (other than the knowledge everyone can have of the Bibles).
That's a philosophical/logical argumentation!
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I tell you, for you to spend so much time proving there is no GOD, is troublesome. Take a vacation. Or better yet, use more of your free time to expose something of great importance; like the take over of our country by communists!
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Hi OP, you have very good and legitimate questions, and God respects that you even take the time out to reflect upon such issues. I have no solid answers, but the Bible, just like life and human nature is not black and white, it is complex.

"Already in the Kabbala there is the teaching, that God has limited Himself in the world, in order to be loved, to be known. God desired freedom. This thought is very dear also with me. It arises upon a Christian soil, since Christianity is a religion of the God-Man and God-manhood, a religion Divine-human, of an infinite affinity of the Divine and the human."
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1- The Bible is not complex, it's full of paradoxes, even in the concepts developped in it...

2- and God doesnt "desire" anything, He DOES.. or not. As He is All-Powerfull, desire is meaningless to Him! Another human-like concept that cannot/should not be attributed to God...

Guess I'm gonna have to wait serious and knowledgeable/open-minded/critical people...
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I tell you, for you to spend so much time proving there is no GOD, is troublesome. Take a vacation. Or better yet, use more of your free time to expose something of great importance; like the take over of our country by communists!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021756

The belief/faith of BILLIONS of Human-beings in a false God or in a delusional CONCEPT (not even a being as He doesnt exist), is not "important???"... Right... Worried much? That many people, the ones not blinded by faith can see through the veil of fallacy?
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"Definite Proof"

Gotta love it.

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Hi OP, you have very good and legitimate questions, and God respects that you even take the time out to reflect upon such issues. I have no solid answers, but the Bible, just like life and human nature is not black and white, it is complex.

"Already in the Kabbala there is the teaching, that God has limited Himself in the world, in order to be loved, to be known. God desired freedom. This thought is very dear also with me. It arises upon a Christian soil, since Christianity is a religion of the God-Man and God-manhood, a religion Divine-human, of an infinite affinity of the Divine and the human."


1- The Bible is not complex, it's full of paradoxes, even in the concepts developped in it...

2- and God doesnt "desire" anything, He DOES.. or not. As He is All-Powerfull, desire is meaningless to Him! Another human-like concept that cannot/should not be attributed to God...

Guess I'm gonna have to wait serious and knowledgeable/open-minded/critical people...
 Quoting: Project_USA


The irony is sound exactly like the fundamentalists who his thread is really directed against. You are neither knowledgable, nor open minded. And just like them there is nothing anyone can tell you, good luck.
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In channelings it is said that God is real. It is also said that the bad aliens try to convince us of their no existance (greys are robots). You only need to choose and you will live your choosing. You are here for experience and perhaps truth is not what you want to experience in this life. Up to you OP.
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A- Is God omniscient (All-knowing)? Is it compatible with free-will?
 Quoting: Project_USA


He is free but we are incarnated = not free.


B- Is God All-loving, pure Good?
 Quoting: Project_USA


God created the world uncorrupted. Now it is no more. And God hates it. The remnant is corrupted, too yet by help of Christ has been comming out of "her" since His death.
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OP define the difference between justified killing and murder..?
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If you're always, always talking about God, you can't be an agnostic. And since you claim to not be an atheist, I'll conclude you're just an apostate, heretical, schismatic, impious and renegade Christian.


I wrote a thread about God, yes.
Does that mean I'm always speak about God?? No.

Read the thread and argue against it. That would be more productive.
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You are what some like to call "wrong".

I will not argue with you. God exist. Discarding one's only hope is free will in action. I urge you to reconsider your position. If you do not I will not call you names and condemn you though, ok! Have a great day no matter what!!!
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"Definite Proof"

Gotta love it.

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You leave him alone. His opinions and ideas are "definite proof". Be nice.
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First we need to agree that a TRUE GOD can ONLY be All-Loving, All-Knowing and All-Powerful (ALAKAP).
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I would like to point out that beginning with an unprovable supposition makes the rest of your argument have no solid fact to support itself on.
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Repent and believe in JESUS or burn in hell "lake of fire" forever !!! Believe before you die because you have no second chance in hell !!!

JESUS is coming very soon with the judgement for all sinners who not be saved !!!

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you don't know anything, and you're just TROLLING

I'm a proud atheist but even I'm open to the chance that I might be wrong about spirituality

I believe in the power of humanity to solve its own problems, this should start with everyone saying, "Get the fuck off my planet, trolls."

Done.
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For people who claim that God doesn't exist, they sure do spend an awful lot of time thinking about and talking about Him... Just sayin'... 1dunno1
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For people who claim that God doesn't exist, they sure do spend an awful lot of time thinking about and talking about Him... Just sayin'... 1dunno1
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I agree!
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Your thread doesn't even have sources. It sounds like a really bad rant.
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actually, it sounds like a reasonable conclusion reached by a logical, thoughtful argument. Why must there be sources? The traditional sources for the argument supporting God are are flawed.
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Sometimes the most simple answers are the correct one. I can't prove god exists but I can't prove god does not exist either.

Imagine for a minute that you are a sea of consciousness that exists outside of space and time. Kind of like when you go to sleep, you physically exist here but are using your brainwaves and thoughts to create a universe that you live in metaphysically (a dream).

Now, if you are a sea of consciousness that has always existed and always will exist, outside of this universe then what would you do? Myself, id get bored so id use my thoughts to create an infinite number of universes (dreams) that cover every possible scenario possibly imagined. Each conscious being in each universe is a part of my consciousness. In order to play out every scenario, I need to give myself temporary amnesia for the duration of the dream. Some dreams, I don't give myself amnesia because that is another scenario in an infinite number of dreams. In a way, I could consider myself an omnipotent all knowing god, who loves all beings since I am all beings. Perhaps this universe is just another dream of God and we happen to be in a dream with self imposed amnesia to play out a certain scenario.

We are all god

Just a thought... I can't prove it of course but it seems possible to me since this happens every night when I go to bed and create a universe (dream).
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Your thread doesn't even have sources. It sounds like a really bad rant.



actually, it sounds like a reasonable conclusion reached by a logical, thoughtful argument. Why must there be sources? The traditional sources for the argument supporting God are are flawed.
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In comparison to what?
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Your thread doesn't even have sources. It sounds like a really bad rant.

Sources... LOL...
That's my own "work", my own ideas, arguments... of course there's no source (other than the knowledge everyone can have of the Bibles).
That's a philosophical/logical argumentation!
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That's where you went wrong. You MUST quote scripture whenever you want to nail god to the cross. Thats just how things are.


Anyway, all these fools trying to make god into their image by giving him human emotions [found throughout the entire bible and just about every single thread here and every sermon given] shows how limited people. A true "GOD" that created everything would be so far above human emotions it wouldn't be funny. Uhg, religiontards.
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For people who claim that God doesn't exist, they sure do spend an awful lot of time thinking about and talking about Him... Just sayin'... 1dunno1
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IF you talk about God so much that 100% proof that God exist , and you know by yourself that God exist 100%.

This thread is very bullshit to proof that God doesnt exist !!!

Time is fast running out , Repent now is ONLY ONE CHOICE for all mankind to choose. Eternal lake of fire is waiting for all sinful mankind.
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Re: Definite Proof: God DOESN’T EXIST! Part1
Your thread doesn't even have sources. It sounds like a really bad rant.



actually, it sounds like a reasonable conclusion reached by a logical, thoughtful argument. Why must there be sources? The traditional sources for the argument supporting God are are flawed.


In comparison to what?
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The book of circular and delusional thinking.
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For people who claim that God doesn't exist, they sure do spend an awful lot of time thinking about and talking about Him... Just sayin'... 1dunno1


IF you talk about God so much that 100% proof that God exist , and you know by yourself that God exist 100%.

This thread is very bullshit to proof that God doesnt exist !!!

Time is fast running out , Repent now is ONLY ONE CHOICE for all mankind to choose. Eternal lake of fire is waiting for all sinful mankind.
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fearmonger. That's what that book does to people.
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Re: Definite Proof: God DOESN’T EXIST! Part1
Anyway, all these fools trying to make god into their image by giving him human emotions [found throughout the entire bible and just about every single thread here and every sermon given] shows how limited people. A true "GOD" that created everything would be so far above human emotions it wouldn't be funny. Uhg, religiontards.
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I find it funny that you are also making "god" into the image you choose.

Any interpretation of "god" is both true and false at the same time, because no one can prove or disprove "his" existence.

Pound sand.





GLP