Roman Catholic Seminarian turned Muslim...My experiences.

Do you believe in Jesus?

To me jesus was a good qumranian essene jew who tried to lead a people back to abrahamic tradition and preached love faith and hope. I believe he was a prophet and a good man.

I just fail to see those qualities in fervent Muslims.

May you find truth.


look, edmund, you can't mix and match spitual truths.

pick one and stick to it or you'll trip all over yourself.

from now on you will be Mohammed Dantes to me.
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as you wish. BTW I am not mix and match spiritual truths...I am explaining what I understand to be a singular absolute truth.

as to the poster concerning the Eucharist. Transubstantiation (the turning of bread and wine into the body and blood of christ) following the rubrics laid out in the Ordo is a rendition of the melchizadekean way.

We have a difference of opinion ....you believe it to turn into jesus because of the Mass....I believe its bread and wine.


The Holy Eucharist is true, believe, and why would you wish it otherwise? Since 33 A.D. at the Last Supper, Christ gave to us Himself, body, blood, soul and divinity. You have no spiritual life in you if you deny the Eucharist as Jesus states in John 6:54. Very soon, God in His mercy is going to try to convince the entire world this time.

Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

Where is the divine in Islam? Give one witness to the unexplained, to the miraculous. I asked for the simple good to show God's presence in Islam previous, unless I missed it, no reply. Speak of the miraculous, you can't come up with it either.

Watch the video, miracles within miracles.


[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com]

look, edmund, you can't mix and match spitual truths.

pick one and stick to it or you'll trip all over yourself.

from now on you will be Mohammed Dantes to me.
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as you wish. BTW I am not mix and match spiritual truths...I am explaining what I understand to be a singular absolute truth.

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Actually you should. All religions and spiritual systems come up short in one way or another. There is a bit of truth to be found in all of them. Some are less confusing than others and some suffer more or less cultural overlay that inhibits the view of the spiritual message. No one person has a mind large enough for a "singular absolute truth" and so must select those aspects that suit them personally.

as to the poster concerning the Eucharist. Transubstantiation (the turning of bread and wine into the body and blood of christ) following the rubrics laid out in the Ordo is a rendition of the melchizadekean way.

We have a difference of opinion ....you believe it to turn into jesus because of the Mass....I believe its bread and wine.


The Holy Eucharist is true, believe, and why would you wish it otherwise? Since 33 A.D. at the Last Supper, Christ gave to us Himself, body, blood, soul and divinity. You have no spiritual life in you if you deny the Eucharist as Jesus states in John 6:54. Very soon, God in His mercy is going to try to convince the entire world this time.

Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

Where is the divine in Islam? Give one witness to the unexplained, to the miraculous. I asked for the simple good to show God's presence in Islam previous, unless I missed it, no reply. Speak of the miraculous, you can't come up with it either.

Watch the video, miracles within miracles.


[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com]

I did not answer because it tends to e a baited question not because I do not have examples. What would satisfy you? David Hume's cri de cour. well how about the very existance of Islam. There is more justification for Abrahams' (PBUH) religion to have died out than to exist still. Not all miracles are the parting of the sea...

Actually you should. All religions and spiritual systems come up short in one way or another.

Actually you should. All religions and spiritual systems come up short in one way or another[/b].


here you betray your self confessed muslim religion, my dear

jazakAllah Dantes!

So you now condone Sharia Law and the stoning of young girls and ten year olds being forced to marry old men, honor killings and all that is Islam?

This makes the world a better place? I don't see how it does.

as to the poster concerning the Eucharist. Transubstantiation (the turning of bread and wine into the body and blood of christ) following the rubrics laid out in the Ordo is a rendition of the melchizadekean way.

We have a difference of opinion ....you believe it to turn into jesus because of the Mass....I believe its bread and wine.


The Holy Eucharist is true, believe, and why would you wish it otherwise? Since 33 A.D. at the Last Supper, Christ gave to us Himself, body, blood, soul and divinity. You have no spiritual life in you if you deny the Eucharist as Jesus states in John 6:54. Very soon, God in His mercy is going to try to convince the entire world this time.

Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

Where is the divine in Islam? Give one witness to the unexplained, to the miraculous. I asked for the simple good to show God's presence in Islam previous, unless I missed it, no reply. Speak of the miraculous, you can't come up with it either.

Watch the video, miracles within miracles.


[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com]

I did not answer because it tends to e a baited question not because I do not have examples. What would satisfy you? David Hume's cri de cour. well how about the very existance of Islam. There is more justification for Abrahams' (PBUH) religion to have died out than to exist still. Not all miracles are the parting of the sea...


Excuse!

You can't name the Roman Catholic Seminary or the director and there is no "good" or "miracles" to show the fruit, the presence of God in Islam.

You can't give one instance.

Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist and you have walked
away...if you really ever were Roman Catholic.

And for what...alone, we see how Islam treats defenseless
women. Like dirt.

as to the poster concerning the Eucharist. Transubstantiation (the turning of bread and wine into the body and blood of christ) following the rubrics laid out in the Ordo is a rendition of the melchizadekean way.

We have a difference of opinion ....you believe it to turn into jesus because of the Mass....I believe its bread and wine.


The Holy Eucharist is true, believe, and why would you wish it otherwise? Since 33 A.D. at the Last Supper, Christ gave to us Himself, body, blood, soul and divinity. You have no spiritual life in you if you deny the Eucharist as Jesus states in John 6:54. Very soon, God in His mercy is going to try to convince the entire world this time.

Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

Where is the divine in Islam? Give one witness to the unexplained, to the miraculous. I asked for the simple good to show God's presence in Islam previous, unless I missed it, no reply. Speak of the miraculous, you can't come up with it either.

Watch the video, miracles within miracles.


[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com]

I did not answer because it tends to e a baited question not because I do not have examples. What would satisfy you? David Hume's cri de cour. well how about the very existance of Islam. There is more justification for Abrahams' (PBUH) religion to have died out than to exist still. Not all miracles are the parting of the sea...


Excuse!

You can't name the Roman Catholic Seminary or the director and there is no "good" or "miracles" to show the fruit, the presence of God in Islam.

You can't give one instance.

Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist and you have walked
away...if you really ever were Roman Catholic.

And for what...alone, we see how Islam treats defenseless
women. Like dirt.



Magical beliefs (miracles)...wasn't that the reason for the "pagan" genocides?

The Roman Catholics, aka Inquisition and inspiration of millenia of war, rape and pillage and witch burnings...defenseless women...at the stake...sorry, you don't get a free pass to absolution.

It's all insanity.

Actually you should. All religions and spiritual systems come up short in one way or another[/b].


here you betray your self confessed muslim religion, my dear

jazakAllah Dantes!


i warned you of this, my dear jazakAllah.

that you chose to ignore is your cross to bear.

a house divided is seminary 1011

adiou me amigo.

as to the poster concerning the Eucharist. Transubstantiation (the turning of bread and wine into the body and blood of christ) following the rubrics laid out in the Ordo is a rendition of the melchizadekean way.

We have a difference of opinion ....you believe it to turn into jesus because of the Mass....I believe its bread and wine.


The Holy Eucharist is true, believe, and why would you wish it otherwise? Since 33 A.D. at the Last Supper, Christ gave to us Himself, body, blood, soul and divinity. You have no spiritual life in you if you deny the Eucharist as Jesus states in John 6:54. Very soon, God in His mercy is going to try to convince the entire world this time.

Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

Where is the divine in Islam? Give one witness to the unexplained, to the miraculous. I asked for the simple good to show God's presence in Islam previous, unless I missed it, no reply. Speak of the miraculous, you can't come up with it either.

Watch the video, miracles within miracles.


[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com]

I did not answer because it tends to e a baited question not because I do not have examples. What would satisfy you? David Hume's cri de cour. well how about the very existance of Islam. There is more justification for Abrahams' (PBUH) religion to have died out than to exist still. Not all miracles are the parting of the sea...


Excuse!

You can't name the Roman Catholic Seminary or the director and there is no "good" or "miracles" to show the fruit, the presence of God in Islam.

You can't give one instance.

Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist and you have walked
away...if you really ever were Roman Catholic.

And for what...alone, we see how Islam treats defenseless
women. Like dirt.



Magical beliefs (miracles)...wasn't that the reason for the "pagan" genocides?

The Roman Catholics, aka Inquisition and inspiration of millenia of war, rape and pillage and witch burnings...defenseless women...at the stake...sorry, you don't get a free pass to absolution.

It's all insanity.

Reply to the Protestant English Inquisition and persecution and we see until this day of Catholics!!

Thomas More was martyred because he would not bow down to
the lies of Protestant heresy.

And there is a beautiful country enslaved right now because of Protestantism. Did you forget Ireland.

Actually you should. All religions and spiritual systems come up short in one way or another[/b].


here you betray your self confessed muslim religion, my dear

jazakAllah Dantes!


i warned you of this, my dear jazakAlr ylah.

that you chose to ignore is your cross to bear.

a house divided is seminary 1011

adiou me amigo.


"...that he would be torn apart by the jackals of unleavened..."

someone may have said that sometime, once.

bon apetite my good amigos, adeiu.

Actually you should. All religions and spiritual systems come up short in one way or another[/b].


here you betray your self confessed muslim religion, my dear

jazakAllah Dantes!


i warned you of this, my dear jazakAlr ylah.

that you chose to ignore is your cross to bear.

a house divided is seminary 1011

adiou me amigo.


"...that he would be torn apart by the jackals of unleavened..."

someone may have said that sometime, once.

bon apetite my good amigos, adeiu.

to the two posters above me. ...Yes I was in formation I have an undegraduate degree from Texas A & M in philosophy I lived at hart hall on campus. I spent two years previous to that in formation. I was torn between a diocesan priest and being a religous trinitarian friar. Their main place for formation is in baltimore maryland. Father Albert Ansuweszki was the vocations director at the time. Their charism was the redemption of the captives. I stayed in their three story red rick monastery for some time. I also visited with the legionnaires of christ with father obannon and the redemptorists in san antonio texas as well as Snow mass abby (benedictine trappist monastery in colorado). Beyond these words there is no ''proof'' that I can satisfy you with.


Edmond,

Jumping all around the country...hmmm.

"Their main place for formation is in Baltimore Maryland."

Who is "Their" and anyone can type in a name. I checked, there is nothing to be found on a Father Albert Ansuwezki.

You've made it all up. No one can stand habitual liars.
Go to Confession is my advise, be truthful from then on...

Im a liar huh? ok here:
since you searched and found nothing ...
[link to www.trinitarianhistory.org]

Reply to the Protestant English Inquisition and persecution and we see until this day of Catholics!!

Thomas More was martyred because he would not bow down to
the lies of Protestant heresy.

And there is a beautiful country enslaved right now because of Protestantism. Did you forget Ireland.


Pardon me Peewee, but have you ever noticed that "religion" in general and the abegod blood cults in particular are all about slavery?

Reply to the Protestant English Inquisition and persecution and we see until this day of Catholics!!

Thomas More was martyred because he would not bow down to
the lies of Protestant heresy.

And there is a beautiful country enslaved right now because of Protestantism. Did you forget Ireland.


Pardon me Peewee, but have you ever noticed that "religion" in general and the abegod blood cults in particular are all about slavery?

to the two posters above me. ...Yes I was in formation I have an undegraduate degree from Texas A & M in philosophy I lived at hart hall on campus. I spent two years previous to that in formation. I was torn between a diocesan priest and being a religous trinitarian friar. Their main place for formation is in baltimore maryland. Father Albert Ansuweszki was the vocations director at the time. Their charism was the redemption of the captives. I stayed in their three story red rick monastery for some time. I also visited with the legionnaires of christ with father obannon and the redemptorists in san antonio texas as well as Snow mass abby (benedictine trappist monastery in colorado). Beyond these words there is no ''proof'' that I can satisfy you with.


Edmond,

Jumping all around the country...hmmm.

"Their main place for formation is in Baltimore Maryland."

Who is "Their" and anyone can type in a name. I checked, there is nothing to be found on a Father Albert Ansuwezki.

You've made it all up. No one can stand habitual liars.
Go to Confession is my advise, be truthful from then on...

Im a liar huh? ok here:
since you searched and found nothing ...
[link to www.trinitarianhistory.org]


OP. I apologize. Still, to make things clear, give me the dates you spent there and the name of your superior, is Father Ansuwezki? I could check to see if he knew you.

Post if you don't mind, to prove you are being honest,
your last name, the initial of your first name and the
time period you spent at Holy Trinity.

A major question, how could a seminarian, when did you stop believing in the Holy Eucharist?



thanks,

OP do you feel like you have a close relationship with the Father, like a friendship ?.

You may not be willing to answer this but I will ask anyway.

Is it right for Muslims to lie to save their asses(sura) when God commands us to not lie. A lie is a lie after all is it not ?

I am an ex catholic and leaving them was one of the best things I have done because I never would have found out what the truth is.

Keep well and God bless.

to the two posters above me. ...Yes I was in formation I have an undegraduate degree from Texas A & M in philosophy I lived at hart hall on campus. I spent two years previous to that in formation. I was torn between a diocesan priest and being a religous trinitarian friar. Their main place for formation is in baltimore maryland. Father Albert Ansuweszki was the vocations director at the time. Their charism was the redemption of the captives. I stayed in their three story red rick monastery for some time. I also visited with the legionnaires of christ with father obannon and the redemptorists in san antonio texas as well as Snow mass abby (benedictine trappist monastery in colorado). Beyond these words there is no ''proof'' that I can satisfy you with.


Edmond,

Jumping all around the country...hmmm.

"Their main place for formation is in Baltimore Maryland."

Who is "Their" and anyone can type in a name. I checked, there is nothing to be found on a Father Albert Ansuwezki.

You've made it all up. No one can stand habitual liars.
Go to Confession is my advise, be truthful from then on...

Im a liar huh? ok here:
since you searched and found nothing ...
[link to www.trinitarianhistory.org]


OP. I apologize. Still, to make things clear, give me the dates you spent there and the name of your superior, is Father Ansuwezki? I could check to see if he knew you.

Post if you don't mind, to prove you are being honest,
your last name, the initial of your first name and the
time period you spent at Holy Trinity.

A major question, how could a seminarian, when did you stop believing in the Holy Eucharist?



thanks,


Op no need to post your last name here.

OP do you feel like you have a close relationship with the Father, like a friendship ?.

You may not be willing to answer this but I will ask anyway.

Is it right for Muslims to lie to save their asses(sura) when God commands us to not lie. A lie is a lie after all is it not ?

I am an ex catholic and leaving them was one of the best things I have done because I never would have found out what the truth is.

Keep well and God bless.


It's going to be difficult for you, when you see you chose
to leave the Truth. Protestantism is man-made. If you
could just believe in the Holy Eucharist Fallenmonk.

Name a good fruit of Islam? You can't.

Read and learn about mevlana & ibn'l arabi

to the two posters above me. ...Yes I was in formation I have an undegraduate degree from Texas A & M in philosophy I lived at hart hall on campus. I spent two years previous to that in formation. I was torn between a diocesan priest and being a religous trinitarian friar. Their main place for formation is in baltimore maryland. Father Albert Ansuweszki was the vocations director at the time. Their charism was the redemption of the captives. I stayed in their three story red rick monastery for some time. I also visited with the legionnaires of christ with father obannon and the redemptorists in san yuppieantonio texas as well as Snow mass abby (benedictine trappist monastery in colorado). Beyond these words there is no ''proof'' that I can satisfy you with.


Edmond,

Jumping all around the country...hmmm.

"Their main place for formation is in Baltimore Maryland."

Who is "Their" and anyone can type in a name. I checked, there is nothing to be found on a Father Albert Ansuwezki.

You've made it all up. No one can stand habitual liars.
Go to Confession is my advise, be truthful from then on...

Im a liar huh? ok here:
since you searched and found nothing ...
[link to www.trinitarianhistory.org]


OP. I apologize. Still, to make things clear, give me the dates you spent there and the name of your superior, is Father Ansuwezki? I could check to see if he knew you.

Post if you don't mind, to prove you are being honest,
your last name, the initial of your first name and the
time period you spent at Holy Trinity.

A major question, how could a seminarian, when did you stop believing in the Holy Eucharist?



thanks,


Op no need to post your last name here.



Figure out a way the OP can prove he was in the Seminary
Mr. Anti-Catholic. Always the former Catholics...will do
anything to knock the faith even to defend someone else
leaving it to become Muslim.

I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam.

I make no apology. I am not here to apostlytize.

I am going to show how I came to this ...and allow others to see some of my thoughts in this regard as requested by others here on GLP.

++++I reserve the right to ignore people on this thread due to the personal nature of it.+++++

I am posting my thoughts for GLP to share and discuss not for me to Lead this thread.

first the basics....

Why believe in a god in the first place?
cosmological teleological ontological proofs notwithstanding....Mathematics in Rene descartes 7 days meditations takes geometry from ''origin'' (0,0,0) in an effort to deduce from God a world.....Geometry works today. aether Physics quantum mechanics too many others to list...

Well whats God like then if he exists?
Omnibenevolent Omniscient Omnipotent etc...these are Necessary Qualities to ascribe to a God by DEFINITION.....ie it is a tautology to define God as anything else.

Well then I started to discern the various religions based upon my understandings of the above....
example:
Norse have Thor and Odin amongst other Gods....the essence being a split of power = not Omnipotent....thus fail.

worship of the Sun
sun = urning plasma etc...=not Omniscient= fail

and proceeded with more and more mythos and religions until to my satisfaction had the three Abrahamic ones.

I Judaism
II Christianity
III Islam

First to christianity....
For 1500 years there was no differentiation (only after Martin Luther wrote his theses) in OFFICIAL church doctorine.

After the council of Nicea (and consequently the edict of milan that made christianity the official religion of rome) was there a consensus in belief....these occured around the year 300

During the deliberations the apocrypha were denoted and summarily exiled from the bible(yes parts of the bible were debated and removed).

this lead to differing interpretations of theology which persist to today. ....ie 2nd maccabbees...purgatory issue.''holy thought to pray for the dead''...etc.

in essence a disagreement over what should be in the bible and thus belief

Judaism follows the Torah
Which is itself written in various form EJP (elohist yawhist priestly) versions...during the abylonian captivity.
Essentially the jews copied Sumerian stories and attributed the stories to ''judaic'' essences..

example
Noahs flood account= Epic story of Gilgamesh which is much older and was in the area written on the ziggurat that the jews were captured in....
Moses=Sargon1st parallels possibly etc.
even the story of david slaying goliath goliath= Elhanan, the son of Jaareoregim slew goliath...David served the phillistines against the israelites.
the point is the stories have been manipulated to serve theological ends....

Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct except for ''XYZ'' and ''xyz'' interpretations are wrong....it actually went down like this....

a long intro I know ...again I make no apology. I am merely sharing why I am muslim. Judging from the fact that thousands of peoeople have read my threads I guess there is at least one ''good muslim''....I wish GLP would end its tirade of hate against Islam. I wish you all well.God bless us all.

Pardon me Peewee, but have you ever noticed that "religion" in general and the abegod blood cults in particular are all about slavery?


Ac 825839,

You didn't reply to the Protestant inquisition in England and their persecution of Catholics in Ireland and here.

Did you change the subject for a reason?

OP do you feel like you have a close relationship with the Father, like a friendship ?.

You may not be willing to answer this but I will ask anyway.

Is it right for Muslims to lie to save their asses(sura) when God commands us to not lie. A lie is a lie after all is it not ?

I am an ex catholic and leaving them was one of the best things I have done because I never would have found out what the truth is.

Keep well and God bless.


It's going to be difficult for you, when you see you chose
to leave the Truth. Protestantism is man-made. If you
could just believe in the Holy Eucharist Fallenmonk.


I could no longer be part of the whore. But you go ahead kissing the pope middle finger or supporting a church whose bank vaults are run by the mafia. You going to tell me to say 50 hail Marys next ?.

I spent 6 years studying in college to become a Roman Catholic priest....History Archeaology Philosophy etc...I am a convert to Islam.

I make no apology. I am not here to apostlytize.

I am going to show how I came to this ...and allow others to see some of my thoughts in this regard as requested by others here on GLP.

++++I reserve the right to ignore people on this thread due to the personal nature of it.+++++

I am posting my thoughts for GLP to share and discuss not for me to Lead this thread.

first the basics....

Why believe in a god in the first place?
cosmological teleological ontological proofs notwithstanding....Mathematics in Rene descartes 7 days meditations takes geometry from ''origin'' (0,0,0) in an effort to deduce from God a world.....Geometry works today. aether Physics quantum mechanics too many others to list...

Well whats God like then if he exists?
Omnibenevolent Omniscient Omnipotent etc...these are Necessary Qualities to ascribe to a God by DEFINITION.....ie it is a tautology to define God as anything else.

Well then I started to discern the various religions based upon my understandings of the above....
example:
Norse have Thor and Odin amongst other Gods....the essence being a split of power = not Omnipotent....thus fail.

worship of the Sun
sun = urning plasma etc...=not Omniscient= fail

and proceeded with more and more mythos and religions until to my satisfaction had the three Abrahamic ones.

I Judaism
II Christianity
III Islam

First to christianity....
For 1500 years there was no differentiation (only after Martin Luther wrote his theses) in OFFICIAL church doctorine.

After the council of Nicea (and consequently the edict of milan that made christianity the official religion of rome) was there a consensus in belief....these occured around the year 300

During the deliberations the apocrypha were denoted and summarily exiled from the bible(yes parts of the bible were debated and removed).

this lead to differing interpretations of theology which persist to today. ....ie 2nd maccabbees...purgatory issue.''holy thought to pray for the dead''...etc.

in essence a disagreement over what should be in the bible and thus belief

Judaism follows the Torah
Which is itself written in various form EJP (elohist yawhist priestly) versions...during the abylonian captivity.
Essentially the jews copied Sumerian stories and attributed the stories to ''judaic'' essences..

example
Noahs flood account= Epic story of Gilgamesh which is much older and was in the area written on the ziggurat that the jews were captured in....
Moses=Sargon1st parallels possibly etc.
even the story of david slaying goliath goliath= Elhanan, the son of Jaareoregim slew goliath...David served the phillistines against the israelites.
the point is the stories have been manipulated to serve theological ends....

Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct except for ''XYZ'' and ''xyz'' interpretations are wrong....it actually went down like this....

a long intro I know ...again I make no apology. I am merely sharing why I am muslim. Judging from the fact that thousands of peoeople have read my threads I guess there is at least one ''good muslim''....I wish GLP would end its tirade of hate against Islam. I wish you all well.God bless us all.



Took me a while to understand just why you rejected Christianity,
it came down to this?
"in essence a disagreement over what should be in the bible and thus belief"
for me the disgreements are a sign of life..

"Which leads to Islam which says in Essence The bible is correct except for ''XYZ'' and ''xyz'' interpretations are wrong....it actually went down like this...."

isn't that just a further disagreement?

Pardon me Peewee, but have you ever noticed that "religion" in general and the abegod blood cults in particular are all about slavery?


Ac 825839,

You didn't reply to the Protestant inquisition in England and their persecution of Catholics in Ireland and here.

Did you change the subject for a reason?


LMAO..did I stutter? I could care less which verion of blood cult you worship,or which blood cult did what to another blood cult... They are all truly wicked in nature and practice.

You, and all abegod blood cultists worship an insidious, capricious, bloodthirsty beast who XXXXXXXXXXXXX

To top it all off, you PROUDLY choose to worship catholicism,,THE most insidious of the sun god blood cults.