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Israels would be messiah and the Abrahamic land covenant

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06/12/2005 02:31 PM
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Israels would be messiah and the Abrahamic land covenant
As we know the prophecy of the 70 weeks/490 years was for Israel; thy people, thy holy city.

I hear a few people still saying that the AC will be a Jew. From every Scripture about the AC, I find no clue that the AC is a Jew. He is in fact non Jewish. The Scripture here is speaking to what must take place because of Israel´s transgressions.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,

1.) to finish the transgression,

2.) and to make an end of sins,

3.) and to make reconciliation for iniquity,

4.) and to bring in everlasting righteousness,

5.) and to seal up the vision and prophecy,

6.) and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he (the prince of the people that shall destroy) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

In verse 24 we read that six things must be accomplished when the 70 weeks are ended.

Spiritually we can confirm that this was finished through Jesus Christ, but this prophecy is concerning the taking away of Israel´s transgressions, the coming of Messiah, and the bringing in of the kingdom which will conclude with the anointing in the holy place, i.e. the Millennial Temple.

The above tells us that the time should come, decreed of God, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, etc. This all is with respect to the people of Israel and to the city, Jerusalem. It is the entire re-establishment of the people, and of the city, in grace. The desolation is plainly seen here and will continue until the end of the 70 weeks.

Verse 25 gives us the timing, and the first part of verse 26 speaks of Messiah the Prince who will be cut off: Notice the colon punctuation is placed after the theme of Messiah the Prince being cut off: This punctuation is purposeful in concluding my point. When proper consideration of the colon punctuation is understood we can appreciate the reason it is placed here. The colon stops the thought to introduce something further. Take another look at verse 26 and 27 from the colon forward: and the people of the prince that shall come. We are no longer talking about the Jewish people, and the Jewish city but a different people of whom a prince comes out of, i.e. a non Jew.

On another note, we have come up with various and sundry claims of what the covenant might be that is confirmed by the AC. We know that it is a covenant that already exists because it is not a new covenant of agreement between the AC and Israel, but an existing covenant with Israel that is to be confirmed.

Remember when I stated that I didn´t believe that the land of Israel would be given away at this time, that the settlers would not be forced from their land? And remember the recent post I put up under title, "The Abrahamic covenant is the land covenant!"

Scripture tells us that the AC will confirm "the covenant" with many. Many here clearly means the many Jews that are in the land of Israel.

I believe that "the covenant" to be confirmed is "the Abrahamic land covenant," which when confirmed allows Israel to have control of the land as promised to Abraham. I believe that this is "the covenant" to be confirmed.

The AC will honor "the Abrahamic land covenant" that God made with Abraham concerning the land of Canaan.

Who better to know "the Abrahamic land covenant" than a descendant of Abraham, a descendant of Ishmael through his mother Hagar, a non Jew.

Doesn´t this make sense?

Israel begins sacrifice in their covenanted land, after the confirming.

This makes all the Biblical sense in the world.

Notice in verse 27 the words are clearly "the covenant," not just any ole covenant, else it would state a covenant. It is written as the Jews understood it to be, the promised "land covenant" of God to Abraham!

With this recognition we can appreciate that our redemption is super close!

I have been saying for awhile now that the rider of the white horse was going to come on the scene and allow Israel to keep their land. I didn’t have the full eye-opener of that truth until today. The Holy Spirit has been building upon that fact, and just today He opened up my full understanding. This is why we call it progressive revelation. A little here, a little there, line up on line.

Because of this discovery, I don’t believe that the land of Israel, that is now on the bargaining table to be given away in order to have peace and security, will come to fruition. I fully believe that the rider on the white horse will be featured in the confirming of the Abrahamic land covenant with Israel, thus substantiating Daniel 9:27...

Israel, having “the Abrahamic land covenant” confirmed by their would be messiah will immediately begin to sacrifice - believing themselves at peace and secure. However, we know the Word of God reflects in many prophecies that this peace only last for a short while as sudden destruction comes while they are at ease.

1Thess 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Lets reread Almighty God´s covenant made between He and Abraham:

1 ¶ And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4 ¶ As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7 ¶ And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

We see that Abram is an old man, 99 years old, when the Lord appears to him. He announces that He is the Almighty God which in Hebrew dictates, El Shaddai.

El, the strong One, Shaddai, breast; therefore Shaddai means primarily "the breasted." God is "Shaddai," because He is the Nourisher, the Strength-giver, and so, in a secondary sense, the Satisfier, who pours himself into believing lives. As a fretful, unsatisfied babe is not only strengthened and nourished from the mother’s breast, but also is quieted, rested, satisfied, so El Shaddai is that name of God which sets Him forth as the Strength-giver and Satisfier of His people. (Scofield notes)

This same Almighty God promises Abram who is 99 years of age that he will be the father of many nations. Almighty God changes Abram´s name to Abraham at this encounter. The name change represents a sealing of the promise made from Almighty God to this man Abram. Abram was not born being an Israelite, but through this covenant Abram receives a new name, Abraham the father of many nations. You can see the spiritual application that the church obtains through this same witness. At our encounter with Almighty God we are sealed by the Holy Spirit, we receive our new name. We are no longer identified in the first Adam, we are now identified in the last Adam, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Next, Almighty God gives the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed for an everlasting possession; with a further pronouncement: I will be their God.

Next we see that the Lord requires a token from Abraham. We have already learned that covenant means to cut, as in, to cut a deal. Almighty God requires a cut from His newly founded people. Circumcision, a cutting of the flesh on Abraham´s part confirms his token involvement toward the covenant with Almighty God.

From the earlier post we learned that as long as Israel remained in their land the promise of blessings was theirs. This was a grace given them while in the land the Lord had promised trough covenanted to them. Israel lost the blessings when they were not abiding in their land, but they never, ever lost their right to the land. Thus, "the covenant" made with Abraham was an everlasting covenant.

Israel lost their promised grace blessings when they went under the law. The law being a form of testing which Israel is still under to this day, but "the land covenant" is an everlasting covenant without condition. Therefore we can see that under the law Israel´s grace blessings will not return. It is only under grace that any have blessings. Because of their disregard of God´s grace (in that they exchanged grace for the law), Israel will not receive blessings until she repents and is reconciled under grace through Jesus Christ, the One they rejected and crucified. This repentance and restoration will usher in the kingdom dispensation.

Something else that has been held in my mind is when the new heavens and new earth appear.

The Scripture tells us:

Isa 65:17 ¶ For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Rev 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

When I read the above verses and also read "the land covenant" made with Abraham i.e. that the land covenant is an everlasting covenant, I must conclude that the land of Canaan will not pass away but will remain forever as will His people.

From the LXX The (Greek) Septuagint
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Daniel 9:

24 Seventy weeks have been determined upon thy people, and upon the holy city, for sin to be ended, and to seal up transgressions, and to blot out the iniquities, and to make atonement for iniquities, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal the vision and the prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy.

25 And thou shalt know and understand, that from the going forth of the command for the answer and for the building of Jerusalem until Christ the prince there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks; and then the time shall return, and the street shall be built, and the wall, and the times shall be exhausted.

26 And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations.

27 And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.

I have shared this to bring encouragement to our hearts, as we the called out church will see the resurrection/rapture before the seven years of the tribulation begins...and yes before the AC confirms the Abrahamic land covenant with Israel.
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Washington, Jerusalem and Amman Prepare for Abbas’ Exit

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

June 12, 2005, 9:24 AM (GMT+02:00)

Arutz Sheva

Abbas would like to fade

Israeli and Palestinian officials are still bent on going through the motions to keep up an appearance of normal diplomatic momentum, the former egged on from Washington. Palestinian foreign minister Nasser al-Qidwa said Saturday, June 11, that disarming armed organizations is not on the table because they are legal as long as “the occupation” exists. Israeli defense minister Shaul Mofaz met Palestinian minister for civilian affairs Mohammed Dahlan Friday afternoon, June 10, to discuss Palestinian coordination for Israel’s evacuation of the Gaza Strip which is just over two months away. Earlier this week, he held talks with the Palestinian interior minister Nasser Yousef. He then phoned Palestinian authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas to place both meetings on the record.

This chronology will be put before US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, when she arrives on June 18, as evidence Israel has done all it can to secure active Palestinian assent for its withdrawal.

But none of this motion is any longer pertinent.

Rice’s overriding interest in Israel is to keep the Sharon government moving along its assigned track of disengagement from the Gaza Strip and northern West Bank and make sure it takes place on schedule. But on the Palestinian scene, her role is more like a fire extinguisher. In his daily reports, US coordinator General William Ward, backed up by Middle East Quartet coordinator James Wolfenson, will have informed her that that Abbas is in big trouble, and in no shape to coordinate anything at all.

Hence the latest notice from Jerusalem to Ramallah asserting that Israel will go ahead and evacuate 21 communities with or without Palestinian coordination.

DEBKAfile’s Palestinian sources offer an eyehole into Abu Mazen’s world to explain why he is on the point of washing his hands of a thankless job.

1. As head of the Palestinian Authority, he and his ministers have lost active control of the Gaza Strip or West Bank to lawless armed gangs who respect no authority.

2. Gunmen use the homes of Palestinian leaders in Ramallah and other parts of the West Bank for target practice to make sure they remain non-functioning and understand who rules the Palestinian roost.

3. His attempt in Gaza Wednesday and Thursday, June 8 and 9, to halt the Hamas-Jihad Islami missile and mortar barrage on Israeli targets exposed him to extreme mortification. His appeal was met by more shooting – and not only at Israeli locations and military. Now they are gunning for Rashid Abu Shbak, whom Abbas would like to name director of the national security apparatus in the Gaza Strip to shore up his authority there. For the time being, the would-be troubleshooter is staying under cover in Ramallah.

4. In Gaza, DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources reveal Abu Mazen was informed that his negotiations with terrorist chiefs had been upstaged by a synchronized summit in Beirut between Hamas and Hizballah leaders Mousa Abu Marzuk and Hassan Nasrallah. Hamas was goading him by holding up its cordial relations with its Lebanese ally in preference to working with Palestinian Authority chairman, Abbas.

Before he got away, Abu Mazen had to promise the Gaza Council of the Heads of National and Islamic Organizations – a powerful umbrella of the main terrorist leaders – a seat on future Palestinian leadership counsels and a virtual veto on decisions for the Gaza Strip. This knocks on the head any chance of a deal to coordinate Israel’s August withdrawal.

5. In any case, a Palestinian Central Security blueprint drafted jointly by the CIA, the Palestinians and the Israelis for this very purpose was blown out of the water. It had hinged on the formation of a new national security force manned by 5,000 young Palestinians to take over West Bank and Gaza Strip locations vacated by Israel, before Hamas and the Fatah al Aqsa Brigades made a grab.

With Rice due on June 18, Abbas had hoped to present her with this force as an accomplished fact.

What happened was that no sooner had the recruiting offices opened for business last week, when they were overrun by a horde of some 100,000 Palestinian applicants. Most were desperate job-seekers, but at least 30,000 were terror activists under orders to stampede the recruiting offices and shut them down. The entire plan therefore fell through - and with it the last chance of Israel-Palestinian security coordination.

6. While Abu Mazen and the Sharon government weave back and forth hoping ambivalence will disguise the crisis, Hamas freely states that the de facto ceasefire it accepted is a one-way street, there to be breached unilaterally whenever its leaders see fit. Hamas’ overseas, political and military Izz e-din al Qassam arms have pulled together to exploit the partial truce for building a new 10,000-strong army, replacing the force the IDF broke up with the most powerful military contingent the Palestinians can field. Its troops are sent home from training with new weapons and passwords for their call-up. Their commander-in-chief is Sheikh Hashem Jaabari.

Saturday, June 11, two days after Abu Mazen’s left Gaza City, a firefight erupted outside the various Palestinian command centers in Gaza City.

With the Americans sitting on his tail and his authority breaking down, DEBKAfile’s Palestinian sources quote Abbas as confiding to his close advisers that he has had enough. This does not mean he will formally resign – he never has, any more than prime minister Ahmed Qureia. But, like him, the chairman will fade from the scene, become unavailable to pressure and protest. He may absent himself for months in Jordan or the Gulf emirates.

The Bush administration sees the Palestinian crisis in the context of its troubles in Iraq, where the situation is worse, and setbacks in Lebanon, where the far-from-democratic electoral process has yet to produce stable government. Rice will still be in the Middle East on June 19, when the last round of the Lebanese election takes place. It is still not clear if Damascus will hang on to a measure of clout in Beirut or whether the Hizballah can be disarmed.

Two days earlier, June 17, Iranians vote for a president.

In a single week therefore, US officials will be preoccupied with studying Tehran’s likely actions under a new Iranian president – Hashemi Rafsanjani is the most widely tipped to win in a second round, contemplating Bashar Assad’s continued rule as Syrian president, and deciding how to handle the defiant Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah.

Abbas’ future and the launching of a few Qassam missiles which mostly misfire will not be at the forefront of American concerns at this time. But they would prefer that he stay in office to provide, with Ariel Sharon playing along, a show of business as usual on the Palestinian-Israel front.

To make the show convincing, preparations have begun in Washington, Jerusalem and Amman to proceed with the Israeli evacuation as though the Palestinian Authority were still a working administration and Abbas functioning normally.

This week, Sharon dispatched senior defense ministry official Maj-Gen (Res.) to the Jordanian capital to confer on ways the Israeli and Jordanian armies and intelligence services can work together in the face of a takeover bid of the West Bank by a Hamas-Jihad Islami-al Aqsa Brigades coalition for terror, which already dominates the Gaza Strip. This consultation followed an initiative from Washington.

The Israeli public is being prepared for the prospect of evacuation under Palestinian fire.

The media have begun receiving tips from anonymous officials who are saying that in order to bring the pull-backs to fruition, Israeli troops may have to re-occupy large sections of the Gaza Strip. Israeli is also preparing the ground for Palestinian shooting attacks from Gaza spreading to the West Bank and targeting central Israel.
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