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Why the Abrahamic Religions are So Violent

 
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Do you ever wonder why the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) are so rife with violence?

The violence of Islam is painfully obvious: even today, Islamic theocracies declare jihad (even between different schools of Islam, what to speak of other religions); death sentences for adultery and homosexuality as well as for Danish cartoonists who dare draw the image of Mohammed; even death sentences for those who convert to a non-Islamic religion.

Christianity's history is not much better, with the death sentences of the Inquisition; the Crusades; the witch hunts in America and Europe.

Judaism actually has more death penalties (at least 26, according to my reckoning) than any other religion. For example, the death penalty is called for disobedient children (Exodus 21:17); women who are not virgins when they marry (Deuteronomy 22:13-21); and collecting firewood during the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36). Any non-Jew entering the Solomon's Temple would be executed. Of course, there is the issue of non-stop animal sacrifices being performed in that Temple.

One may argue that Christianity and Judaism are no longer violent as they were in the past. Why? Did they find some obscure verse in their scriptures which condemns violence? No. They are no longer violent because these religions do not have the unlimited power that they once had. They now need to appear "warm and fuzzy" in order to attract followers.

If any country were to become a Christian or Jewish theocracy, rest assured that the violence would resume. A popular school of thought called "Christian Reconstructionism" advocates that returning to the Old Testament (Jewish) injunctions is necessary in order to usher in Jesus' Second Coming. Orthodox Jews wish to rebuild the Temple, and resume the animal sacrifices there in order that their Messiah can appear.

I believed that I have clearly shown the violence and barbarism of the Abrahamic religions. Now I will show where this violence comes from.

The Abrahamic religions all come from, by definition, the patriarch Abraham. And what is the defining moment of Abraham? From the 22nd chapter of Genesis, we learn that the minor desert deity, Yahweh, which claimed to be the Supreme God, commanded Abraham to sacrifice his own son, Isaac, as a test of faith. Abraham proceeded to do so, although an angel of Yahweh stopped him at the last second.

In other words, the test of faith from Yahweh is: "Will you kill for me?".

Understand this, and you will perfectly understand the violence of the Abrahamic religions since time immemorial.
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We all come from one Father.

Genisis 1
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

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Marcus 11: 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
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Violent resource starved desert cults is all they are. Monotheism is akin to despotism, and the annals of history prove this out. Maybe it is a good thing that they are into child sex mutilation (i.e. circumcision) because they would probably be even more violent with sand caught under their foreskins.
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The Abrahamic religions all come from, by definition, the patriarch Abraham. And what is the defining moment of Abraham? From the 22nd chapter of Genesis, we learn that the minor desert deity, Yahweh, which claimed to be the Supreme God, commanded Abraham to sacrifice his own son, Isaac, as a test of faith. Abraham proceeded to do so, although an angel of Yahweh stopped him at the last second.

In other words, the test of faith from Yahweh is: "Will you kill for me?".

Understand this, and you will perfectly understand the violence of the Abrahamic religions since time immemorial.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1029780

This "episode" has (in my more enlightened years) always struck me as being quite similar to some type of gang initiation.

A voice in your head tells you to kill your own son, and you happily go along?

Psychopathy.
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One may argue that Christianity and Judaism are no longer violent as they were in the past. Why? Did they find some obscure verse in their scriptures which condemns violence? No. They are no longer violent because these religions do not have the unlimited power that they once had. They now need to appear "warm and fuzzy" in order to attract followers.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1029780

The main reason is secular governments have made the violence illegal. Another reason we can't allow religions to be the law of the land. We probably still have capital punishment in this country because of the influence of the Christian religion in favor of it. Hopefully that too will go away someday soon.
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We all come from one Father.

Genisis 1
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
 Quoting: Haile Menelik

So what of our mother?

Oh, I forgot, nothing but a servile/second-class role for women in your despotic phallocratic belief systems.

Yo' god is the big-willie of em' all, taint' you proud?
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We probably still have capital punishment in this country because of the influence of the Christian religion in favor of it. Hopefully that too will go away someday soon.
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Make that the influence of Jewish, Islamic AND Christian religions.
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We all come from one Father.

Genisis 1
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

So what of our mother?

Oh, I forgot, nothing but a servile/second-class role for women in your despotic phallocratic belief systems.

Yo' god is the big-willie of em' all, taint' you proud?
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What came first: The Chicken or the Egg?

hf
Marcus 11: 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
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What came first: The Chicken or the Egg?
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The Chegg came first which lays itself.
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What came first: The Chicken or the Egg?
hf


The Chegg came first which lays itself.
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You see what I mean. There is no other way to accept to believe in Miracles. That mankind is created by an mighty force we cannot explain and that we cannot understand Gods ways. Because the Bible tells us that his way is much higher then our ways.
Marcus 11: 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
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What came first: The Chicken or the Egg?
hf


The Chegg came first which lays itself.


You see what I mean. There is no other way to accept to believe in Miracles. That mankind is created by an mighty force we cannot explain and that we cannot understand Gods ways. Because the Bible tells us that his way is much higher then our ways.
 Quoting: Haile Menelik

Oh yeah God created the Chegg. But prove it was your God that did it and not mine.
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Violent resource starved desert cults is all they are. Monotheism is akin to despotism, and the annals of history prove this out. Maybe it is a good thing that they are into child sex mutilation (i.e. circumcision) because they would probably be even more violent with sand caught under their foreskins.
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What came first: The Chicken or the Egg?
hf


The Chegg came first which lays itself.


You see what I mean. There is no other way to accept to believe in Miracles. That mankind is created by an mighty force we cannot explain and that we cannot understand Gods ways. Because the Bible tells us that his way is much higher then our ways.

Oh yeah God created the Chegg. But prove it was your God that did it and not mine.
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God created Adam. And from Adam, the woman came. I dont know about the Chicken or the Egg. It was just an example that to you that we believe in miracles. And that God creates something out of nothing.
Marcus 11: 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
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What came first: The Chicken or the Egg?
hf


The Chegg came first which lays itself.


You see what I mean. There is no other way to accept to believe in Miracles. That mankind is created by an mighty force we cannot explain and that we cannot understand Gods ways. Because the Bible tells us that his way is much higher then our ways.

Oh yeah God created the Chegg. But prove it was your God that did it and not mine.


[link to en.wikip.] And from Adam, the woman came. I dont know about the Chicken or the Egg. It was just an example that to you that we believe in miracles. And that God creates something out of nothing.
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God is an androgynous scientist.
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What came first: The Chicken or the Egg?
hf


The Chegg came first which lays itself.


You see what I mean. There is no other way to accept to believe in Miracles. That mankind is created by an mighty force we cannot explain and that we cannot understand Gods ways. Because the Bible tells us that his way is much higher then our ways.

Oh yeah God created the Chegg. But prove it was your God that did it and not mine.


God created Adam. And from Adam, the woman came. I dont know about the Chicken or the Egg. It was just an example that to you that we believe in miracles. And that God creates something out of nothing.
 Quoting: Haile Menelik

Almost any technology or technical process we have today would look like miracles to the ancients.

Just because you cannot explain it doesn't mean it is a miracle.
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for those who convert to a non-Islamic religion.

Christianity's history is not much better, with the death sentences of the Inquisition; the Crusades; the witch hunts in America and Europe.

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Catholic Church... NOT Christianity.
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What came first: The Chicken or the Egg?
hf


The Chegg came first which lays itself.


You see what I mean. There is no other way to accept to believe in Miracles. That mankind is created by an mighty force we cannot explain and that we cannot understand Gods ways. Because the Bible tells us that his way is much higher then our ways.

Oh yeah God created the Chegg. But prove it was your God that did it and not mine.


God created Adam. And from Adam, the woman came. I dont know about the Chicken or the Egg. It was just an example that to you that we believe in miracles. And that God creates something out of nothing.
 Quoting: Haile Menelik

Glad you believe in miracle/personality worship. I'm more into inquiry, wisdom, understanding, and cultivating an attitude of gratitude myself. Why does embryology show that nature's/god's plan is essentialy for the development of a female organism in utero or in ova (as the case may be) unless instructed otherwise? This fact would seem to contradict the assertions of the biblical creation story of man first, then woman (if taken at face value).

Face it, women have been getting the shaft (pun not intended, but I'll take it anyway) from the Abrahamists for quite some time.
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for those who convert to a non-Islamic religion.

Christianity's history is not much better, with the death sentences of the Inquisition; the Crusades; the witch hunts in America and Europe.

*********
Catholic Church... NOT Christianity.
 Quoting: NightWisp

Which of the 1000's of different sects ARE Christianity? And would Christianity have the same temporal power/influence it enjoys today if Rome hadn't spread it via the sword in both the "new" world and "old"? A hypothetical surely worthy of consideration, no? So who WERE the REAL Christians of the era of the unholy Roman empire? The Cathars? The Culdeans? Who? And who decides what a REAL Christian is?
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Self merges with divine. Shinto, Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, Confucian, Jain, Shamen, etc. know this well.

Abrahamic religion separate self from divine. This creation of artificial separation is what we call "splitting of the whole." Profoundly wrong and unhealthy.

There is a word for when person creates artificial split in self: SCHIZOPHRENIA.

Abrahamic religions are schizophrenic. This is the sorce of their violence.
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They revolve too much around harsh, personally unhealthy sexual repression.

That always leads to too much aggression and violence.
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the systems are the trouble, not the truths the systems use to usurp those very truths, and thereby gain seeming control or authority.
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The three Abrahamic religions, Christianity, Islam and Judaism all demand a blood sacrifice. In turn it appeals to us to be the same bloody victim. These kinds of special idiots are called believers.

What we need is understanders.
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Jesus never asked for a blood sacrifice. He's the only one who didn't.
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Jesus never asked for a blood sacrifice. He's the only one who didn't.
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and the symbolism of drinking his blood an eating his body seem to have been lost on you...





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