Cyrus the Persian vs YHWH : Slavery discuss

Double and triple check your history.

Cyrus had slaves ...numerous slaves. He never stopped having slaves even after he made his decrees.
Many of Cyrus' slaves were from foreign countries. THis is how he justified slave owndership. They were captured was slaves. To Cyrus, they were not citizens of his country.


Jesus never owned a slave.

opps ; fat finger; they were captured WAR slaves.

I don't think so. He freed the Jews and even gave them money to build their temple. The bible itself calls him Messiah.

The Cyrus Cylinder (539 BCE) is described as the first declaration of human rights. It was set down by Cyrus the Great in which he lists humane treatment of his conquered subjects, including the forbidding of slavery.

This code predates the New Testament and existed during the same time at the Old Testament. During the same time that King Cyrus was forbidding slavery, the Old Testament law was allowing it – providing guidelines for how to sell your daughter into slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46 ) as well as specific orders from god about which tribes to take as slaves (Numb. 31:17-40).

Even though Jesus lived 500 years after King Cyrus’ ban on slavery, Jesus still said nothing about it being morally wrong. Why would King Cyrus know it was wrong and stand up against slavery, while Jesus would not? If Jesus knew it was wrong to own another hhuman being, why didn’t he say something about it? Cyrus did, and he’s not the “son of god.”

Which has a better moral code?

Cyrus the Great is regarded as one of the most outstanding figures in history. His success in creating and maintaining the Achaemenian Empire was the result of an intelligent blending of diplomatic and military skills and his rule was tempered with wisdom and tact.

He respected the culture, language and religion of subdued nations and did not impose Zoroastrian religion or assimilate nations in similar methods. He considered all nations equal in terms of their rights. He was a very down to earth person. The Persians called him 'father'; the Greeks, whom he conquered, saw him as “A worthy ruler and lawgiver” and the Jews regarded him as “The Lord's anointed”.

His ideals were high, as he laid down that no man was fit to rule unless, he was more capable than all of his subjects. As an administrator Cyrus' insight was great, and he showed himself both intelligent and reasonable, and thereby made his rule easier than that of his previous conquerors. His humanity was equaled by his freedom from pride, which induced him to meet people on the same level, instead of affecting the remoteness and aloofness, which characterized the great monarchs who preceded and followed him. History has further labeled him as a genius, diplomat, manager, and leader of men, the first great propagandist and able strategist. Cyrus was indeed worthy of the title “Great”.

These were NOT the only foreign people Cyrus was in possession of.
Cyrus has slaves who did everything for him. Who washed his clothes? cooked his food?
THis was work done by foreign slaves. Jews were not the only slaves in his lands.

Where is your evidence. The Jews in Persia chose to stay there. Cyrus freed them from the Babylonians.

If Zoroastrianism has higher moral standards than the YHWH cult does that make it more of a true religion?

We still practice slavery today, right here in the USA. Cyrus just banned forced labor--not slavery.

Slavery in Egypt and Mesopotamia was forced labor. Slavery in Israel was not. The average person did not have currency or goods for barter, so they worked for food and housing. Leviticus was directions on how to control their economy without using an authorized currency. They did the SAME THING we do today right here in the USA with only 2 differences. 1: Today we are slaves working for currency. 2: Today, instead of working directly for wealthy landowners, the majority are working for corporate entities.

The word slavery has many definitions. I would say Leviticus is speaking of labor laws. If you allow YOUR daughter to get a job you're selling her into slavery.

That's bizarre apologetics friend. If someone is sold they are a slave.

no apologetics here. Fact of the matter is you're a slave and I'm a slave and 99% of the population today are slaves.

slave:

1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence

We are all slaves; if we were not born with a silver spoon or goblet up our ass....

Just throwing something out there that is a bit off topic of Cyrus...but not slave....

This is why the powers that be in the U.S. wanted to get rid of the AMerican Indian. They were slaves to no one. They learned through generations how to live off the lands of america without any problem and were totally self sufficient....

Until the white man devils killed them and or enslaved them...

I take it you are Christian.

The booze.

I think you are playing loose with terminology here. So slavery as mentioned in the OT is merely another word for work? If you are sold, and do not receive pay, you are a slave.

Dont intend to get off your topic.

But, booze only effected a small number of plains indians tribes. The rest, booze was not the issue.

Popular history likes to distort the truth about booze.

If you read the scriptures correctly, you will see that Cyrus was almost completely under the control of Satan (the Prince of Persia). When the prophetic time was near, Daniel (who understood the times), prayed that the people in exile would be released according to prophecy. The angel Gabriel (who did not answer Daniel's prayer for a full three weeks) told him that Satan, himself, had taken a personal role in preventing Israel from being freed from Persia. It was certainly not in his best interest that Israel be restored as a nation and that the temple be restored. Gabriel had to enlist the strong angel(Michael, who is Christ, Himself) to fight against Satan and He reminded Cyrus that he was actually NAMED in scripture as the one who would free Israel and, therefore, become enshrined in history as a "great man". As I mentioned, if it were not for the personal intervention of Christ, Cyrus would have followed Satan all the way to the pit.

WTF. Cyrus is called the right arm of the Lord and his Christ in Isaiah...

Btw: Daniel was written in the second century BC. His prophecies were after the fact, you have been hoodwinked.

Guano, just so you know this biblical form of slavery you seem to be justifying is still practiced in Haiti, tell the kids sold as bond servants to families that we are all slaves...they will either cry or tell you to f off.

Nebuchadnezzar II (Aramaic): (ܢܵܒܘܼ ܟܲܕܲܪܝܼ ܐܲܨܲܪ) About this sound Listen (help·info) (c 634 – 562 BC) was king of the Neo-Babylonian ...

Daniel was in captivity during this period and answered Nebuchadnezzar's dream. What history book you reading?

In October 539 BCE, the Persian king Cyrus took Babylon, the ancient capital.

If you can't be trusted with the history, you certainly cannot be trusted with the scriptures. You understand neither, let alone about what slavery was all about. You have to read the WHOLE bible guy. It is not of private interpretation. You are simply trying to malign God--plain and simple. You fail--big time.

You don't have to worship God to be used as His right arm. He is in charge of all, whether you worship Him or not. He sets up all kings and just as easily throws them down.

Idiot, Daniel was written way after 539BC. It's not a literal story. The style, the language, the content, prove this. Don't start with your fundamentalist shit.

Damn dude, you're trippin. There are elements that are not literal; such as his visions, but other elements, including Daniels 3 companions that were thrown into the fiery furnace have always been regarded as literal by Christian and Jew alike.