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Memphis Area Muslims Worshiping At Christian Church During Ramadan

 
Anonymous Coward
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09/09/2010 01:43 PM
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That's odd considering they are two different Gods. I'm surprised the Christians would allow it. (Not out of hate, but out of doctrine).

Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews. They are not two different Gods.


Yes they are different.

Can you prove they are the same? I can prove they are not.

You go first.


Ok slowpoke. I'll go since I'm sleepy.

The bible came before the koran, much like the OT came before the NT.

The bible states God has a son named Jesus.

The koran states Allah has no son.

Why would Allah state that he had no son when the koran takes place after the ministry of Jesus?

Two different Gods. It can't be both ways.

Goodnight.

HEY TARD...they believe Jesus was a prophet (just like Muhammad), he is thought of in high regard and spoken of often in the Qu'ran...so Jews have a different God too? Bc they definitely don't believe Jesus was the son of God...open your mind, study, educate yourself you ignorant fool...all 3 of these mainstream religions worship the same God, fact
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No, they do not. I've studied much my friend. However, I will not entertain dialogue with someone that exhibits disdain for peaceful communication.
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Yes they are different.

Can you prove they are the same? I can prove they are not.

You go first.

Complete and utter bullshit! It is the same God. Just because they use the Arabic "Allah" instead of "God", it doesn't make it a different God. It is the same God of all the Abrahamic religions. Muslims even acknowledge that Jesus was a prophet. They follow the teachings of the prophet Mohammed, and as the Jews, don't acknowledge Jesus as a messiah.
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No, that is not true.
(This is about Christianity and Islam).
Gazmik

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09/09/2010 01:55 PM
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No, that is not true.
(This is about Christianity and Islam).
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Exactly how dense are you? Christians and Muslims both worship the same God (or Allah) of all the Abrahamic religions. Just because you choose not to accept it, it doesn't make you correct.
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10/03/2010 06:07 AM
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It is such a shame that Christians are incapable of having an intelligent discussion to rebuke allowing muslims to worship their false God in what used to be a holy temple of God.

1st. Love thy neighbor was the stamp of approval used for this carnal idea of furthering Gods Kingdom. "love thy neighbor" is not scriptural. Love thy neighbor as yourself is the commandment.

Would this pastor marry a muslim? Would He encourage His son, who is also a pastor to marry a muslim?

The problem is that the first commandment is completely ignored here. If we first love God with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength, then God's honor would be the first to consider.

2nd. The leaders of MIC asked permission to use the church knowing that it would cause division. The motive was "jihad". Jihad is an important religious duty for Muslims. The primary aim of jihad as warfare is not the conversion of non-Muslims to Islam by force, but rather the expansion and defense of the Islamic state.

3rd. The congregation of the "Christian" church was not consulted. The pastor already had muslim friends and made the decision singularly because he did not want to deal with a lot of opinions that may ensue from a vote or discussion.

4th. This endeavor irrelevant of the single intent, does nothing to further God's Kingdom and literally rolls out the carpet to the expansion of Islam and pursues, condones, facilitates, engages, and promotes Islamization. None of the host church are witnessing or sharing the Gospel of Christ with the muslims. They feel "love thy neighbor" is the witness although their was absolutely no urgency nor emergency for allowing use of their facility. There are plenty of other Memphis Mosques that could have been utilized by the muslims for worship during construction.

5th. The muslim leaders confirmed this in a thank you letter that referred back to an incident 1400 yrs ago wherein an Abyssinian King gave muslims refuge and subsequently converted to the muslim system and deceived his followers of his conversion. The MIC leaders stated the same thing is happening here with this church in this exchange.

6th. Rather the pastor admits or acknowledges that this act furthers Islam, the muslims have claimed a conquest and they do so with glaring arrogance which insults the well meaning pastors open door policy and ridicules his intelligence.

7th. If you read the parable “And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him” (Luke 10:31-34)

Clearly the priest and the Levite saw the wounded man but did not stay there to help him. They were busy with their ministries. They thought they should give first priority to God in their ministries. For them, that wounded man did not mean anything as they had set their hearts on their respective ministries in the temple of God. In the temple of God, multitudes might have been waiting for their services. They did not bother about a single man.

8th. In the case of this church, the muslims were more important than his flock. He lost several plugged in members due to his decision. Then he and his flock demeaned those who left labeling them "fearful". Alternatively, the few who left knew the word of God and tried to lovingly reason with the pastor through scripture based truth, to no avail.

9th. The "world" loves what he has done and much media (radio & TV) have picked up the story, which may encourage or incite others to further Islam with likewise ignorance.

10th. Colossians 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
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10/03/2010 06:19 AM
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The pastor brings his masonic traditions into the christian church which says "have no other gods".

What a shill.

You're quite ignorant...Christians and Muslims have the same God...Muslims even have high regard and believe that Jesus was a prophet just as Muhammad was and the reason they don't want Muhammad ever be shown is because at his request he didn't want to ever be "worshipped" or "idolized"...and I'm a Christian, BTW...some of yoy people need to really educate yourselves before producing so much blind hate, WWJD
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Hey, ass... WWJD? He would expect you to repent unto him and ONLY him and wash your sins away. God, the same one that both religions worship, said that no one may enter Heaven but through Christ alone... THERE is the difference... According to Christian doctrine, all Muslims are going to Hell because they have not sought salvation through Jesus Christ.... So, how is it that a Pastor can let so many people come into his church to worship, when according to HIS OWN beliefs, they won't even acknowledge the MOST important part of worshipping God -- namely accepting His son to be their saviour so you can one day reach Heaven and dwell with the Lord forever???? By the way, I am an agnostic and prescribe to NEITHER of these religions... I am just presenting the facts and saying that this doesn't make any sense.
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10/03/2010 06:29 AM
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No, that is not true.
(This is about Christianity and Islam).

Exactly how dense are you? Christians and Muslims both worship the same God (or Allah) of all the Abrahamic religions. Just because you choose not to accept it, it doesn't make you correct.
 Quoting: Gazmik


The issue is not one of which God they worship you stupid asshole. We all know they worship the same God... It is a matter of how one reaches Salvation, which is the most important thing because one's own status with regards to Salvation will determine where and how they spend eternity. With that being said, this Pastor is allowing a group of people to worship in his church who openly defy the concept of Jesus being the son of God. How can he allow this when the foundations of his Pastoral Duties rest in his responsibility to lead Souls to God through Christ????
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10/03/2010 06:56 AM
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The pastor brings his masonic traditions into the christian church which says "have no other gods".

What a shill.

You're quite ignorant...Christians and Muslims have the same God...Muslims even have high regard and believe that Jesus was a prophet just as Muhammad was and the reason they don't want Muhammad ever be shown is because at his request he didn't want to ever be "worshipped" or "idolized"...and I'm a Christian, BTW...some of yoy people need to really educate yourselves before producing so much blind hate, WWJD


Hey, ass... WWJD? He would expect you to repent unto him and ONLY him and wash your sins away. God, the same one that both religions worship, said that no one may enter Heaven but through Christ alone... THERE is the difference... According to Christian doctrine, all Muslims are going to Hell because they have not sought salvation through Jesus Christ.... So, how is it that a Pastor can let so many people come into his church to worship, when according to HIS OWN beliefs, they won't even acknowledge the MOST important part of worshipping God -- namely accepting His son to be their saviour so you can one day reach Heaven and dwell with the Lord forever???? By the way, I am an agnostic and prescribe to NEITHER of these religions... I am just presenting the facts and saying that this doesn't make any sense.
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Jesus warns against things which really defile.

Matthew 15:14 (King James Version)
1 4Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Christ shows that the defilement they ought to fear, was not from what entered their mouths as food, but from what came out of their mouths, which showed the wickedness of their hearts. Nothing will last in the soul but the regenerating graces of the Holy Spirit; and nothing should be admitted into the church but what is from above; therefore, whoever is offended by a plain, seasonable declaration of the truth, we should not be troubled at it. The disciples ask to be better taught as to this matter. Where a weak head doubts concerning any word of Christ, an upright heart and a willing mind seek for instruction. It is the heart that is desperately wicked, Jer 17:9, for there is no sin in word or deed, which was not first in the heart. They all come out of the man, and are fruits of that wickedness which is in the heart, and is wrought there. When Christ teaches, he will show men the deceitfulness and wickedness of their own hearts; he will teach them to humble themselves, and to seek to be cleansed in the Fountain opened for sin and uncleanness. (Mt 15:21-28)





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