Life on this Earth Just Changed: The North Atlantic Current is Gone. Gulf Stream & Atlantic Conveyor Shut Down

Hmm,

looks like the GULF STREAM is still there.

[link to rads.tudelft.nl]

but there is still this:

Early snowfall in China - 6 Sep 10
More flooding in Mexico - 100,000 affected - 2 Sep 10
Scotland - First snowfall of winter … in August - 2 Sep 10
Knee-high snow in Poland's Tatra Mountains - 31 Aug 10
Snow in the Alps a month earlier than normal - 30 Aug 10
Record cold in Canada - 29 Aug 10
August turns to November in Germany - 30 Aug 10
Half a meter of snow in Norway - 29 Aug 10

[link to www.iceagenow.com]

No it hasn't. No it isn't... and no it didn't.

God if I had a nickle every time this bunch of shit from that dumbass dago was re-posted I could buy a new bicycle.

Thats too much to read, but i'm gonna say fake.

Lord Stirling's a 'sumbass dago'?

These current maps you posted a link to actually verify the fact that the Atlantic conveyor seems broken; compare them with the maps in the original article via [link to newilluminati.blog-city.com] .
The current breaks apart in the id-atlantic, just as anonymous coward's 'dumbass dago' claims.
Ad hominem attacks from A.C. do little to illumine our situation.
Anyone else care to read a few pages & look at a few pics?

swamp gas

if that's true there is no more Northern Ireland, Scotland or Scandanavia within 3 years

we would notice straight away if it had stopped... its still pretty sunny and warm for september...

stop talkin shit

Exactly.

these changes won't register for awhile, perhaps a couple years before the cascade begins then it will come on like a hurricane though and hello mini ice age.

OP, how about a nice big cup of

thank you white man!

How gratifying to see a rational discussion of a seminal issue. I too had major doubts about reports a couple of months back (at the height of the oil catastrophe) that the stoppage of the Gulf loop current would lead to wider disruptions of the Atlantic conveyor, but I kept an eye out for further data in any case. Anyone wish to discuss changes in the Atlantic current? As noted above, early snowfalls - at the height of summer - have occurred in areas one might expect to be affected by this.
As the anonymous coward points out, changes will not occur as rapidly (or in the same sequence) as The Day After Tomorrow if this scenario is accurate. It may well be that the current simply stalled, but the coming northern winter will tell the true tale; one way or another the issue needs to be investigated.
I'm gratified by recent findings that past 'mini ice ages' and maunder minimums don't affect the southern hemisphere in the same was as the northern - as I live in the land of Oz, a notable location for many heretics whose ancestors fled the hideous ructions of their northerly homelands when their 'betters' kept telling them to shut up and keep their noses to the grindstone and their eyes on the prize of atrocious uniformity.
The local Aborigines have an interesting take on all this; like many native peoples, they expect big changes, and soon.
See [link to newilluminati.blog-city.com] for more heresies.

LOL

I can tell you this...I live in the PNW...and fall fell here where I live, on August 15, 2010..between 3/5 pm...I had to lay down, because it was so hot, (it was over 90 which is hot for here), I felt exhausted but have AC in my bedroom...that was at 3 pm...when I woke up at 5pm it was over 20 degrees cooler (just shy of 70 degrees) and the air had changed from summer to fall air..and there IS most definitely a difference between the two...I don't know how it is anywhere else...just that this happened here for sure..

I don't know for sure where Breezy lives but it sounds like we both live near Puget Sound and I had a similar experience.
So Washington state west of the mountains seems to be experiencing similar weather pattern over a rather large area.

To add another bone of contention: The Gulf Stream doesn't warm Europe? Climate mythology: The Gulf Stream, European climate and Abrupt Change.
A few times a year the British media of all stripes goes into a tizzy of
panic when one climate scientist or another states that there is a
possibility that the North Atlantic ocean circulation, of which the Gulf
Stream is a major part, will slow down in coming years or even stop.
Whether the scientists statements are measured or inflammatory the media
invariably warns that this will plunge Britain and Europe into a new
ice age, pictures of the icy shores of Labrador are shown, created film
of English Channel ferries making their way through sea ice are
broadcast... And so the circus continues year after year. Here is one example.

The Gulf Stream-European climate myth:

The panic is based on a long held belief of the British, other
Europeans, Americans and, indeed, much of the world's population that
the northward heat transport by the Gulf Stream is the reason why
western Europe enjoys a mild climate, much milder than, say, that of
eastern North America. This idea was actually originated by an American
military man, Matthew Fontaine Maury, in the mid nineteenth century and
has stuck since despite the absence of proof.

We now know this is a myth, the climatological equivalent of an urban legend. In a detailed study
published in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society
in 2002, we demonstrated the limited role that ocean heat transport
plays in determining regional climates around the Atlantic Ocean.
Popular versions of this story can be found here, here and, in French, here.

The determinants of North Atlantic regional climates

We showed that there are three processes that need to be evaluated:

The ocean absorbs heat in summer and releases it in winter. Regions
that are downwind of oceans in winter will have mild climates. This
process does not require ocean currents or ocean heat transport.

The atmosphere moves heat poleward and warm climates where the heat
converges. In additions, the waviness in the atmospheric flow creates
warm climates where the air flows poleward and cold climates where it
flows equatorward.

The ocean moves heat poleward and will warm climates where it releases
heat and the atmosphere picks it up and moves it onto land.

Using observations and climate models we found that, at the latitudes of
Europe, the atmospheric heat transport exceeds that of the ocean by
several fold. In winter it may even by an order of magnitude greater.
Thus it is the atmosphere, not the ocean, that does the lion's share of
the work ameliorating winter climates in the extratropics. We also
found that the seasonal absorption and release of heat by the ocean has a
much larger impact on regional climates than does the movement of heat
by ocean currents.

Seasonal storage and release accounts for half the winter temperature
difference across the North Atlantic Ocean. But the 500 pound gorilla
in how regional climates are determined around the Atlantic turned out
to be the Rocky Mountains. Because of the need to conserve angular
momentum, as air flows from the west across the mountains it is forced
to first turn south and then to turn north further downstream. As such
the mountains force cold air south into eastern North America and warm
air north into western Europe. This waviness in the flow is responsible
for the other half of the temperature difference across the North
Atlantic Ocean.

Hence:

Fifty percent of the winter temperature difference across the North
Atlantic is caused by the eastward atmospheric transport of heat
released by the ocean that was absorbed and stored in the summer. Fifty percent is caused by the stationary waves of the atmospheric flow.The ocean heat transport contributes a small warming across the basin.

The seasonal ocean heat storage and pattern of atmospheric heat
transport add up to make winters in western Europe 15 to 20 degrees C
warmer than those in eastern North America. A very similar process
occurs across the Pacific Ocean. The ocean heat transport warms the
North Atlantic Ocean and the land on both sides by a modest few degrees
C. The only place where the ocean heat transport fundamentally alters
climate is along the coast of northern Norway which would be sea
ice-covered were it not for the warm northward flowing Norwegian
Current.

The Gulf Stream and future climate change

A slowdown of the Gulf Stream and ocean circulation in the future,
induced by freshening of the waters caused by anthropogenic climate
change (via melting glaciers and increased water vapor transport into
high latitudes) or simply by warming, would thus introduce a modest
cooling tendency. This would leave the temperature contrast across the
Atlantic unchanged and not plunge Europe back into the ice age or
anything like it. In fact the cooling tendency would probably be
overwhelmed by the direct radiatively-driven warming by rising
greenhouse gases.

North Atlantic Ocean circulation and abrupt climate change

The conflation of the Gulf Stream, ocean heat transport and Europe's
climate has led to changes in ocean circulation being the reigning
theory of the cause of glacial era abrupt climate change. These abrupt
changes - the Dansgaard-Oeschger events of the last ice age and the
Younger Dryas cold reversal of the last deglaciation - are well recorded
in the Greenland ice core and Europe and involved changes in winter
temperature of as much as thirty degrees C! For the Younger Dryas it
has been proposed that the sudden release of glacial meltwater from ice
dammed Lake Agassiz freshened the North Atlantic and shut down the
overturning circulation causing dramatic regional coooling.

Only through an inflated view of the impact of ocean circulation could
it be thought that the enormous glacial era abrupt changes were caused
by changes in ocean circulation. Instead, as we have argued, changes in
atmospheric circulation regimes had to be the driver, see (Seager and Battisti,2007).
Determining how this could happen has become more of a priority now
that the geological evidence for the Lake Agassiz flood has not been
found, see (Broecker,2006).

Moving beyond the myth

It is long time that the Gulf Stream-European climate myth was resigned
to the graveyard of defunct misconceptions along with the Earth being
flat and the sun going around the Earth. In its place we need serious
assessments of how changes in ocean circulation will impact climate
change and a new look at the problem of abrupt climate change that gives
the tropical climate system and the atmosphere their due as the primary
drivers of regional climates around the world.

Publications:

Seager, R., D. S. Battisti, J. Yin, N. Gordon, N. H. Naik, A. C.
Clement and M. A. Cane, 2002: Is the Gulf Stream responsible for
Europe's mild winters? Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological
Society, 128(586): 2563-2586.
PDF

Seager, R. and D. S. Battisti, 2007: Challenges to our understanding of
the general circulation: abrupt climate change. In: T. Schneider and
A.S. Sobel (Editors), The Global Circulation of the Atmosphere:
Phenomena, Theory, Challenges. Princeton University Press, pp. 331-371.
PDF.

Seager, R., 2006: The source of Europe's mild climate. American Scientist, 94(4): 334-341.
PDF.

Seager, R., 2008: Setting the record straight on Europe's mild winters.
The Plantsman, Royal Horticultural Society,7, Part 1 March, p.22-27.
PDF.

Seager, R., 2003: Gulf Stream la fin d'un mythe. La Recherche(361): 40-46.PDF

by Richard Seager, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University

@ [link to www.ldeo.columbia.edu]

The Broken Gulf Loop Current And The Global Climate [link to www.youtube.com]

oke, compare 2 dates: first week july and now
Decide, is there a difference

this is temp/500 m

july: [link to polar.ncep.noaa.gov]

now: [link to polar.ncep.noaa.gov]

this is horizontal stream/500 m

july: [link to polar.ncep.noaa.gov]

now: [link to polar.ncep.noaa.gov]

Any proof besides some blog?

ps: open 2 windows and put windows at 75%, then compare

"Polish climatologist, Mikhail Kovalevski [sic] believes that if the trend continues, the climatic zones will move North and Europe will become a permafrost area for ever," Watts reports. "The Scandinavian countries are already feeling the breathing of the Arctic."

However, "NASA officials say that the global warming of the past 18 years has made the Gulfstream stronger and warmer."

And Russia? Russian meteorologists hold the middle ground, Alexander Frolov, head of the Russian Meteorological Agency says.

"The Gulfstream is powerful and is not declining; it warms up Europe, and consequently, it has a high significance for both Poland and the Scandinavian nations. But access to the heat might be restricted by the thawing of the ice and the turning of the water fresh – that is cold fresh water may appear on the surface, preventing the heat from going into the atmosphere to have an impact on the climate. We do not overestimate such a phenomenon, Frolov says.

"The country will have a normal Russian winter, perhaps not as harsh as last year, Frolov says.So there you have it. Which countries are telling the truth, which are playing politics with our lives, and which are genuinely confused?

More: [link to www.iceagenow.com]

September 1st 2010:

[link to forums.accuweather.com]

Now:

[link to forums.accuweather.com]

Something is going on, the maps don’t lie.

We haven't seen very many hurricanes enter the gulf in recent years.

So called "polar vortexes" kickin our asses every winter.

Now we've got a prolonged "mega drought" in the southwest.

I believe that BP oil volcano and all of the corexit they dumped into the gulf is finally catching up with us. Doom on? I'd say so.