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Keep going. You make my point AGAINST your religiosity for me.

Ruckmanite? I'm right, arent' I? If not, you would really like his material.


Yet, you offer no witness of what your point is?
You refuse to identify yourself as Christian.


Religiosity? Only religion I ever embraced was roman catholicism, and I was very studied; yet once Born-Again, God never moved my heart to return, or formally join another church...

What you discern as "religion" I witness is like John Testifies in First Epistle ch 2:20-27:

18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.


22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.


27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


There is no religion in Born-Agains. God has Regenerated their lives and Guides them. Verses 20-21 and 27 make that doubly clear. I witness it continually.

Yet, you deny God's Banner To The World and cannot acknowledge Christianity. Your focus is therefore anti-Christ because you give false-witness and foment misunderstanding and confusion. You have not "continued with us" if you ever were Born-Again.. Sad, you seem to have a very committed fervor to your beliefs. Pity you cannot Trust God Fully and allow HIM to Give you HIS New Heart, by which your Anointment Of The Holy One would Witness and Reveal All things...

Even Paul states that anyone who would teach, minister, preach ought first, Know The Fruits.... (Be Born-Again).

From 2nd Timothy ch 2:
1. Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
3. Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5. And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
6. The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7. Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.


Gonna "teach" others Deborah?
But you don't KNOW The Fruits; you just have "beliefs", and your beliefs don't allow you to identify yourself as a Christian...

2. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

6. The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7. Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.


The Lord and The Holy Spirit have NOT Given you "understanding in/of all things."

Paul and John Witness that if you are Born-Again, you will KNOW All Things....

Yet, by your own continual testimony here; you do not...

Would you be HIS?
Just takes surrendering Fully and Trusting HIM; not trusting your religiousness.

It is you who shows fixation with the accoutrement of religion Deborah, not me... No holy-names, or secret-words in my Relationship. God IS Always With me.

You still have time to decide.
Can you manifest your heart Unto The Father or will you play games with all HE has offered you?

Carnality is a foe only HE Can Defeat.
Only your surrender allows HIM to Deliver you and Give you HIS Regeneration.

Only HE can Deliver you from belief into KNOWING...

Keep going. You make my point AGAINST your religiosity for me.

Ruckmanite? I'm right, arent' I? If not, you would really like his material.


Yet, you offer no witness of what your point is?
You refuse to identify yourself as Christian.


Religiosity? Only religion I ever embraced was roman catholicism, and I was very studied; yet once Born-Again, God never moved my heart to return, or formally join another church...

What you discern as "religion" I witness is like John Testifies in First Epistle ch 2:20-27:

18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.


22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.


27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


There is no religion in Born-Agains. God has Regenerated their lives and Guides them. Verses 20-21 and 27 make that doubly clear. I witness it continually.

Yet, you deny God's Banner To The World and cannot acknowledge Christianity. Your focus is therefore anti-Christ because you give false-witness and foment misunderstanding and confusion. You have not "continued with us" if you ever were Born-Again.. Sad, you seem to have a very committed fervor to your beliefs. Pity you cannot Trust God Fully and allow HIM to Give you HIS New Heart, by which your Anointment Of The Holy One would Witness and Reveal All things...

Lester, step back. Hold up.....How can one who claims Yeshua but denies a *word* (term) be *anti christ* ?

Lester, step back. Hold up.....How can one who claims Yeshua but denies a *word* (term) be *anti christ* ?



Deborah is not Born-Again, or she would present witness: what she KNOWS and Has Seen. She has only beliefs.

She is attempting to sway conviction or influence others, but without Knowing Christ and The Father, her perspective (no matter how well-intended), is carnal.


Anti-Christ and false-witness are characteristics of those who either do not KNOW, or do know but intentionally seek to guide others away from God. "Better not to have been born, than to cause one of my little ones to stumble"; isn't that what Jesus Says?

Men who cannot Trust God fully but write/preach/minister based on their own carnal-hearted expectations of what is "right" are well-intended but still living in alienation from God.


Seems right that someone ostensibly "holy" and purveying a good sermon or argument should be taken at face value? If they cannot embrace their identity as Christian?

Who does Jesus mean when HE Witnesses in John 17 that the world will hate us for having Loved HIM? HE means the world will hate Christians, not "followers of Jesus" or "followers of God"...

We are HIS if we are Born-Again. Surrendered and Fully Submitted. HIS. Why did Peter weep if denying HIM three times wasn't a big deal?


Unable to grasp that manifesting your heart Unto The Father is the ONLY THING that mattes in the scope of your life?

Well, soon you will understand why and know the remorse that alienation from Father brings. Yet you will not be lost or condemned so nothing is lost; aside from Knowing The Greatest Experiences life has to offer. I'm sure you don't want to Know HIS Victory and Confidence in your daily awareness....

Lester, step back. Hold up.....How can one who claims Yeshua but denies a *word* (term) be *anti christ* ?



Deborah is not Born-Again, or she would present witness: what she KNOWS and Has Seen. She has only beliefs.

I was keeping it for a long time. I've gotten slack lately. I need to get back on track. I sure don't keep Sunday. Saturday is the true Sabbath. I've known this for many years.
Just read the bible for yourselves and it's very plain to those seeking the truth. I'm glad so many are waking up to the truth!

Even Paul states that anyone who would teach, minister, preach ought first, Know The Fruits.... (Be Born-Again).

From 2nd Timothy ch 2:
1. Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
3. Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5. And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
6. The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7. Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.


Gonna "teach" others Deborah?
But you don't KNOW The Fruits; you just have "beliefs", and your beliefs don't allow you to identify yourself as a Christian...

2. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

6. The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7. Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.


The Lord and The Holy Spirit have NOT Given you "understanding in/of all things."

Paul and John Witness that if you are Born-Again, you will KNOW All Things....

Yet, by your own continual testimony here; you do not...

Would you be HIS?
Just takes surrendering Fully and Trusting HIM; not trusting your religiousness.

It is you who shows fixation with the accoutrement of religion Deborah, not me... No holy-names, or secret-words in my Relationship. God IS Always With me.

You still have time to decide.
Can you manifest your heart Unto The Father or will you play games with all HE has offered you?

Carnality is a foe only HE Can Defeat.
Only your surrender allows HIM to Deliver you and Give you HIS Regeneration.

Only HE can Deliver you from belief into KNOWING...

Lester, step back. Hold up.....How can one who claims Yeshua but denies a *word* (term) be *anti christ* ?



Deborah is not Born-Again, or she would present witness: what she KNOWS and Has Seen. She has only beliefs.

She is attempting to sway conviction or influence others, but without Knowing Christ and The Father, her perspective (no matter how well-intended), is carnal.

Come on..... we are all on the same team. Stop with the divisiveness.

It is so amazing, all the carnal-hearted Christians who cannot believe God will not lie to them...

First is defensive capability. You may easily take game animals with an AR, or 1911; but you won't easily defend yourself with a bolt rifle and a single action hog leg. Defense could really require fast delivery of many rounds of ammunition, in the wrong situation and a rifle that holds only 5rds or less and is slow to reload, or a revolver that is slow to reload might get you killed.

The true 7th day sabbath or the false 1st day one?


Sabbath is the NAME of the 7th day. Only pagan deities are worshiped on the day of the sun.

Why do you ask?

The true 7th day sabbath or the false 1st day one?


Sabbath is the NAME of the 7th day. Only pagan deities are worshiped on the day of the sun.

Why do you ask?

So, we can't worship God on any other day, according to you?

Only by giving your life Unto The Father, can you be Born-Again and thereby:
Walk In HIS Statutes
Keep HIS Judgments
And Do HIS Will.

None of you KNOW this, or you would witness of it.

"Marvel not that I say unto you, ye must be Born-Again!" John 3:7

Jesus Witnesses 3 times to Nicodemus "you must be Born-Again", yet the master of Israel cannot hear with his heart...

If none of you can witness the above as having Transformed your life; then you are carnal-hearted religious liars who prefer to be in alienation from God rather than surrendered in submission.

Ever think: What Would Jesus Do?
I Know what Jesus would do; HIS Father's Will
I Know HIS Will for me and that HE Enables me to carry it out.

In 2005, I wrote a witness here, "Why Born-Again Christians No Longer Continue To Sin" Oh the disagreement from others who could not so witness... Yet, what does God say in verse 27?

It is so amazing, all the carnal-hearted Christians who cannot believe God will not lie to them...

Come on..... we are all on the same team. Stop with the divisiveness.


Only God Can Enable you to "obedience".

Don't get it? Why would you, not being Born-Again.

Lester, step back. Hold up.....How can one who claims Yeshua but denies a *word* (term) be *anti christ* ?



Deborah is not Born-Again, or she would present witness: what she KNOWS and Has Seen. She has only beliefs.

She is attempting to sway conviction or influence others, but without Knowing Christ and The Father, her perspective (no matter how well-intended), is carnal.

As I said quite a while ago, you do not know me, nor have your walked in my shoes. If you had any idea of the road I have walked with my Messiah, you would be ashamed of your accusations. Did you lose your father at 2 yrs old? Were you raised by a severely abusive step-father? Did you ever witness your mother being beaten and couldn't do anything about it when you thought she might die and all you could do is shield your siblings? Were you constantly called worthless and told you would not amount to anything? Were you called a fool for your faith? Were you kicked out and only YHWH knew where to guide you for a safe place to sleep for the night? Did you lose your baby brother to suicide and fear every day that you could lose the one who found him the same way? And through all this and much more, I leaned not on my own understanding, but trusted my Creator, my Father, YHWH and my Beloved, my Messiah were there to get me through it all and more. I live every day not knowing how I am going to pay my bills, but I know my Father is my Provider and Yahoshuah is my Husband. Do you have that kind of faith? I can go on and on....you want more witness?

I really hate that term - born again. There are too many nominal - Christian attachments with that phrase.

I really hate that term - born again. There are too many nominal - Christian attachments with that phrase.

I really hate that term - born again. There are too many nominal - Christian attachments with that phrase.

Gee Mopar,

Not that you've had great witness here, as the Happy Sabbath Girl, but was sorta sad to see you wistfully reflect on that...

Too many carnal-hearts have objected to others and decided, "I will no longer call myself a Christian". Wrote about that back in 2004, in 2005 with QuayleTard, and recently Anne Rice.

Okay, you ain't Born-Again, and you object to the phrase.
Tell Jesus when you see HIM.

But isn't it fun to keep the Sabbath?
Too bad you can't manifest your heart...
But you're willing to do what???
You never say...

Lester, step back. Hold up.....How can one who claims Yeshua but denies a *word* (term) be *anti christ* ?



Deborah is not Born-Again, or she would present witness: what she KNOWS and Has Seen. She has only beliefs.

She is attempting to sway conviction or influence others, but without Knowing Christ and The Father, her perspective (no matter how well-intended), is carnal.

As I said quite a while ago, you do not know me, nor have your walked in my shoes. If you had any idea of the road I have walked with my Messiah, you would be ashamed of your accusations. Did you lose your father at 2 yrs old? Were you raised by a severely abusive step-father? Did you ever witness your mother being beaten and couldn't do anything about it when you thought she might die and all you could do is shield your siblings? Were you constantly called worthless and told you would not amount to anything? Were you called a fool for your faith? Were you kicked out and only YHWH knew where to guide you for a safe place to sleep for the night? Did you lose your baby brother to suicide and fear every day that you could lose the one who found him the same way? And through all this and much more, I leaned not on my own understanding, but trusted my Creator, my Father, YHWH and my Beloved, my Messiah were there to get me through it all and more. I live every day not knowing how I am going to pay my bills, but I know my Father is my Provider and Yahoshuah is my Husband. Do you have that kind of faith? I can go on and on....you want more witness?


You are not providing Christian witness. You are rationalizing your carnal-heart. Christ Jesus is not your husband, HE Would Be your Brother if you Knew John ch 17.

Life is a travail of sorrows until God Delivers us. I can go blow to blow with you, but that is not what God Delivered me from. God Delivered me from self-will and carnal alienation; from trying to run the world and control the people in it, from the failure of self and a life of self-will that destroys even those innocents I never met or viewed...

This is not about the gory details.
This is about Surrender Unto The Father and Knowing HIM.

God does not favor one heart over another, once that heart Comes Unto HIM In Surrender. There is no right or wrong way once the Christian decides only God can Guide HIM and Control his/her life.

You could be a crack-whore junkie, alcoholic or whatever; but if you Surrender and Acknowledge Christ, Admit your sins, Give your life to God unreservedly; you would find success. No pre-conditions. Unreservedly taking HIS Will as correct for you.

None who were Born-Again would witness anything from "belief".

Did Jesus ever Witness from "belief"?
Born-Again and you thereby KNOW, all things as Paul and John cite.

Not all things, Greek excepted.
No such thing as a Jew For Jesus or any other sect that holds reservation or conditions based on tradition or dogma.

You either Know HIM or you do not.
Know HIM as Ezekiel 36:27 Witnesses or your aren't Born-Again.


The Age of Faith will soon end.
God's Angel of Revelation 14:7 will announce God IS Real and Christ Jesus (Judgment) IS Coming.

You have only so much longer to seek within and manifest your heart Unto The Father.

If I'd Received Witness from The Holy Spirit that you were HIS I would not have brought this forth; but...

Knowing HIM, it's ALL we have to offer others; what we have Seen and Know from our life IN-HIM and With-HIM. It is all any heart that Loves HIM Truly needs to hear and reflect upon.

Nothing else matters...

Lester ~ do you judge righteously? or through a human lens?
If we are to judge by the fruits thereof, how do you come to the conclusions you have? Truthfully, as much as I hate to say it......mary, #929, the roman catholic actually did call out your spirit, unless you can correct me.

I claim Yeshua haMashiach as my Savior and my King, and His blood washes over me and cleanses me. he is my High Priest and my Beloved.