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Iraq has officially become Vietnam II

 
Go To Hell Bush
07/04/2005 10:02 AM
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This is the complaint I heard from many Nam vets, they would take a ville, or some other piece of land, then abandon it to the Cong, then have to go back and re-take that same area OVER AND OVER again.

Iraq IS Vietnam; and that is why so many REAL MILITARY PEOPLE (as opposed to FAKE ONES like Bush and Rummydummy) have said we need TWICE AS MANY pairs of boots on the ground in Iraq to have any chance of doing the right thing there.

Read this article from a reporter just back from his most recent assignment to Iraq.

[link to www.rockymountainnews.com]

Johnson: Bushīs words ring hollow at memorial
July 1, 2005

I keep going to the memorials, though my head keeps telling me to stay away. It wipes me out for days. My heart tells me it is the least I can do.

So I go, take my place next to the families of the soldiers who have died, and grieve alongside them.

It astounded me the other day, sitting in the chapel at Fort Carson, how the loss of one manīs life simply rips to shreds the lives of so many other people.

I guess I always knew this. Yet it comes home like a sledgehammer when you sit among the grieving and hear their wailing ring against the chapel walls.

You think, in that time, of baseball, maybe a comedy sketch you saw on television - anything to keep your sobbing in check. And all around you, large, graying men in Army dress uniforms have lost it.

There is an anger component, too. It would not be a factor for a person, I suppose, who never picked up a newspaper, never watched the news on TV.

It had not been quite 12 hours since the president delivered his Iraq speech when I sat amid the grieving. There was a definite disconnect between the two. I felt anger sweeping through me.

The three dead men I had come to honor were men I knew in life only because I wanted to see, firsthand, if what was being said in Washington bore any resemblance to what was really happening on the mean streets and dirt roads of Iraq.

I knew the day after Christmas 2003, when our driver raced through the streets of Fallujah to get me and my photographer partner out of Iraq alive, and to our waiting airliner flight home in Amman, Jordan, that the insurgents were not on the run, as I discovered our leaders saying when I landed in Denver.

I knew all too well upon returning home in one piece from Baghdad three months ago that America - contrary to the presidentīs and the vice presidentīs proclamations - was nowhere "close to winning" in that violent country. The insurgency isnīt in its "final throes."

I have spent eight weeks over the past two years in the dust, heat and nastiness that is Iraq with American soldiers and have not once been on a patrol with - or even seen - a member of the Iraqi security forces.

The president on Tuesday declared there are more than 160,000 Iraqi security force members trained and equipped for a variety of missions.

Perhaps he is right. Perhaps I just missed them.

"As the Iraqi stand up," the president also vowed the other night, "we will stand down."

If this is the case, we are in for a very long military haul, if my own experience is an indicator. The three men I mourned at a base they will never see again died doing what I fervently believe Iraqis should have been doing: scouting out and disarming roadside bombs.

Those three men were there at all only because two other roadside bombs had gone off minutes earlier in quick succession under American Humvees and other armor.

When they arrived and spread out to secure the area, a third bomb was remotely triggered by an insurgent, blowing all three to bits.

As we speak, the surviving members of the soldiersī platoon are in the field. In e-mail I receive, more than one of them has complained theyīve not fired their weapon even once since arriving in country.

While their brothers are dying.

It is the same story told by the familiar faces I encountered after the memorial service, men who had been sent home from Iraq with a variety of injuries.

"How are the boys doing?" they are asked cheerfully. To a man, they grimace.

They told stories of being yelled at as they walked up a road.

"Wires!"

"Iīm standing almost on top of the (expletive)," one soldier recounted. "Iīm here today only because the (expletives) didnīt rig it right."

They will clear a town of insurgents, they told me, and leave. The next day, more insurgents have taken their place.

They roll out of the gates of their base, they said, and pray the ground beneath them doesnīt explode.

There is no man-on-man fighting, they said. Most days they convoy out in the morning to show themselves in villages. If they make it, they move in and hand out teddy bears and candy to the locals, ask them what projects and services they most need.

And that is it.

It is why I wanted desperately for the president to outline an aggressive strategy for winning this war, to sternly prod the fledgling -Iraqi government to get on its feet, to rally the Iraqi citizenry to take ownership of their fledgling democracy by, if nothing else, turning against the insurgent bad guys.

Maybe he could have spoken of initiating talks with our NATO partners to step up their help in training the Iraqis, of maybe helping stanch the flow of foreign fighters across Iraqīs still-porous borders.

Instead, he merely spouted all-too-familiar "freedom and democracy" platitudes and Sept. 11 fear-mongering, as if the clock had been rolled back three years.

I had wanted to ask Barbara Ulbrich, the sweet, cherubic-faced mother of Brian, whose helmet, rifle, boots and dog tags hung on a platform on the altar, what she thought of the speech and her sonīs role in the war on terror when she introduced herself and gave me a big hug.

Then I didnīt ask. It didnīt matter.

Words are never a match for reality.



Bill Johnsonīs column appears Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. Call him at 303-892-2763 or e-mail him at [email protected].
AC
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Are you sure itīs official?:dubya:
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Well, if a fucking retard like Bush can be "official" or some fairy tale about an evil arab who knocks down our buildings because he "hates us for our freedoms" can be "official", then this is certainly "official" as far as Iīm concerned.
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Same lust for blood ....

Making bets who can kill a baby at 900 yards in his mothers arms without hitting the mother ,,,,

"Its mitigation Sir" , We are killing a future terrorist sir " leaving the mother so traumatized she cant have any more sir "
so her cant have sex sir , so husbanb cant shoot strait being sex starved sir , and haves to masterbate looking at naked africans in national geographyc magazine sir .....

bushfing Carry on Soldier Carry on ...!

deadhorse
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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7000+ dead US soldiers over there so far~~~donīt believe the chimpīs lies
Cortex
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Afghanistan is another hornets nest.

I really believe these wars are nothing but self-destructive gestures on the part of this administration.

I know people donīt want to hear it. Especially those that have sons/daughters or spouses over there.

And I know the rhetoric sounds good on sound bites on the TV, but it just doesnīt fly in the face of reality.

Can anyone please explain to me how either of these wars has made this country stronger. And please donīt throw 911 into the mix. Not one person has ever been indicted in a court of law that proves anyoneīs guilt.
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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"Those three men were there at all only because two other roadside bombs had gone off minutes earlier in quick succession under American Humvees and other armor.

When they arrived and spread out to secure the area, a third bomb was remotely triggered by an insurgent, blowing all three to bits.

As we speak, the surviving members of the soldiersī platoon are in the field. In e-mail I receive, more than one of them has complained theyīve not fired their weapon even once since arriving in country."

Our troops are not a fricking BOMB SQUAD or POLICE FORCE, they enlist to defend the United States, which they are in NO WAY DOING in Iraq.

Quit Abusing The Troops and calling it "support", assholes!
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Will we be evacuating people with helicopters from our new $1 BILLION embassy in Baghdad like we did when Siagon fell?

Is it worth putting your kids into HOCK for generations to bring Iraqis "Freedom!"(Death), freeptards?
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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This deserves attention, especially on July 4th
cdwarior
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Similarities: Communist sympathizers though Iraq is technically Socialist Baath.

Differences. No Dem coward running the show. The end is we win, Iraq is free, radical Islaam canīt exist in a free environment, the world should but wonīt thank us.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Same cycle, different spin.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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"Differences. No Dem coward running the show. The end is we win, Iraq is free, radical Islaam canīt exist in a free environment, the world should but wonīt thank us."

Well, that statement shows how ill informed you are. There were no "radical islamists" in Iraq and Iraq was a SECULAR state. Thatīs why Osama and all the radical nutbags hated Saddam Hussien.

The US is more of a radical, fundamentalist state than Iraq was.
Anonymous Coward
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"No Dem coward running the show"

Every day I pray to the Lord that you fucktards do more than run your mouth and do decide to come after all us "pussy" "libbies" with all your big, tough leaders like Bush, Cheney, Rush, etc, you know, the PUSSIES that ran as far and fast as they could from actually doing any fighting for their country.

Many of us "cowardly" dems fought for this country. We didnīt have much choice. Those that werenīt FORCED in by the draft ended up going in because it was the only job you could get while republican FUCKTARDS ruined the economy every time they stole their way into the White House.
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Sending so few troops to Iraq has stalled their efforts to stabilise the region, and has set back the region for decades to come. I suppose they wanted that, so that the oil stays in the ground for longer, so that the world oil price keeps going up and up. There are not enough troops there to finish the job quickly, thereby drawing out the conflict for decades instead of years.
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Witness
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Well itīs pretty plain to see: This year is the year that oil prices are going through the roof, economic recession is a global reality and most importantly of all, the climate change that we already have will kick in hard an no longer be covered up by the media.

This is the year that the global population will wake up to the reality of what has already happened, let alone what will happen, and Bush will be ripe for being dragged down the street by an angry mob and beaten to death. SOund far fetched? Just think of the reality of a crippled economy, "The Day After Tomorrow"-style climate crisis and a food and power shortage.

So getting the population into a state of military mobilisation is essential. Getting people brainwashed by the military into command-obeying, orders-seeking robots is vital.

It is happening right now. No "if"s of "but"s, it is happening now. Just watch it all roll out.
Spirit of Truth
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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To see that they are all suffering, fighting,and dying for Satan makes it even more terrible.People should love truth and these type things wouldnīt happen.
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Has been Iraqnam for over a year now.

Youīd think they would have seen it coming.

I remember Vietnam. īTheyī said all we need is one more hill and a few million more dollars and itīs all over. Everyone knows where that story left off.
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īTheyī said all we need is one more hill and a few million more dollars and itīs all over. Everyone knows where that story left off."

Yes, and even fucktards on this thread intimate that if "cowardly Dems" hadnīt been running the show (WTF? Ever hear of Nixon?) we could have "won" Vietnam.

Well, we lost Vietnam and what was accomplished? 58K plus Americans dead. 3 million Vietnamese, who never attacked America either, BTW. Billions of dollars.

I saw jsut last week several companies are packing up their manufacturing plants and moving them to VIETNAM. If we had "won" Vietnam, what would we have "won"? Thousands more dead Americans and our plants and jobs moving there 20 years ealier than they are?

Donīt sound like we would have won anything.

Get over it fucktards. War isnīt football. root for your teams, you little fucking brats, and leave the grown up stuff, like killing people, to the grown ups.
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They are gong after the diplomats now.Just read on yahoo they got one missed 3 others from different countries.
If no one can protect these foreign diplomats then their countries will back off.

Yes , it is "take the ground, give it back" because there are not enough people to keep in
one place.It is worse then ever over there but the Iraqui police,troops and people are getting most of it.They are the softer target.

There is a great saying and it applys to Bush and his people "Beware of what you wish for,you may get it".Well they got it and dont know what to do!.

Peace
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These guys are going back to iraq and Afghanistan 3, 4 and 5 TIMES. They only had to do one 13 month tour in Vietnam!

Why donīt you Pro-Bush, Pro-War, Pro-Dead Raghead posters get off your fat, lazy, chickenshit asses and go down and enlist to take YOUR turn?

Traitorous pieces of crap, the lot of you. Go stick another fucking magnet on your car, phony.

īIīm Not Going to Come Homeī: One Marineīs Third Iraq Tour

By Sylvia Moreno
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 5, 2005; Page A01

FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. -- Shaded by a towering blue spruce in Wheeler Park stands a gray granite monument that honors this cityīs men and women who have died in combat from the Spanish-American War to, as the memorial reads, "Iraqi Freedom."

The name of Lance Cpl. Marty G. Mortenson was etched into the stone on the eve of Armed Forces Day in May. A month earlier, on April 20, Mortenson had been killed by a roadside bomb in Iraq.


Lance Cpl. Marty G. Mortenson of Arizona was killed on his third tour.

Just a few months before he died, Mortenson sent his mother an e-mail: I am really sorry about your birthday . . . I am so streesed out that it is really bring me down. . . . I have had so much on my mind . . . going off to war 4 the 3rd time isnīt easy.

Mortenson was on his third tour -- his third pump, in Marine jargon -- in Iraq. He had spent his 20th, 21st and 22nd birthdays in Iraq. Before he left on his last tour, he told a friend in California: "Itīs like three strikes, youīre out. I have a feeling Iīm not going to come home."

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
JayRodney
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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bsflagbonghit







Pole pot.
rrick
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Retake Whitehouse in August yep
Anonymous Coward
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Only difference is that you fucking Yanks have dragged the UK in this time. Harold Wilson were were you when we need someone to say NO!!!!!!
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JayRodney
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7/5/2005
1:34 pm EDT

Why, a perfect example of a pro-war shit for brains that needs to go sign up to fight his war he thinks is so important.

If it isnīt important enough a cause for YOU to go die for it, it isnīt for anyone else either.
Fish
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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JayRodney
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Ahem...934...īscuse me but um...

Pole Pot was a communist leader in Viet nam.
I was simply using the flag (with itīs pole)
and the bong (with its pot ) as a simple illustration.

Iīm not pro war whatsoever. And Iīm about as far from right wing as you could possibly get.

I feel like the whole situation is a horrible fiasco, and that weīve been lied to over and over as to the real reasons weīre there.
Wow, Iīve never had a simple joke be so offensive, I assure you It was not as is your interpetation.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Pole Pot was a communist leader in Viet nam


Pole (sic) Pot was Cambodian
JayRodney
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Tamato..
Tumutoe...
Potato..
Putato..
Lets call the whole war off.
Cambodia=North VietNam anyway you slice it

Your aggression is mis di(r)ected! Please keep all veins and arteries on the INSIDE of your head.
Thank You.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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"īOnly difference is that you fucking Yanks have dragged the UK in this time. Harold Wilson were were you when we need someone to say NO!!!!!!""

SORRY your boyish Blair WAS IN IT FROM THE START
Anonymous Coward
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"Cambodia=North VietNam anyway you slice it"

Not fucking likely, but a little thing like reality never has had any effect on the Uber-Citizen up to this point.

And even if POL POT WAS Vietnamese (which he wasnīt, AT ALL) WTF would it have had to do with the entire subject of the thread? I sure as hell donīt see the connection, and "you say po-ta-to, I say po-tah-to" sure as hell isnīt clearing it up for anyone that might have a brain.
Anonymous Coward
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So BushCo is sifting the troops through his War Filter over and over again until they are all dead.

By that time he will have left maybe a few hardened killers with severe psychological trauma and a base in every region.

Lastly, he will announce dissolution of the senate, declare martial law, turn his homeland gestapo loose in the US and proclaim himself the "legal" dictator of the world.

lol





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