Kaua'i is Now Sovereign Kingdom of Atooi Hawai'i NEVER a State! Obama NOT Coming Back!

Wow! Go Hawai'i!!!!

Hawai'i is Not Legally a State

It is easy to find the courage necessary to support a moral position if that position benefits oneself. True moral courage, however, is proven when one chooses to support that which is morally and ethically right even when such a position is to one's one detriment.

The people of the United States find themselves in such a position right now, forced to choose between a moral and ethical position that carries with it the potential for "inconvenience", or supporting the status quo and having to admit to themselves that they are not the champions of justice they imagine themselves to be.

Most folks have heard that Hawaii is a state, one of the United States of America. Most people, including those who live in Hawaii, accept that statement as a fact.

But the reality is that in a world in which nations are as bound by the rule of laws as are the citizens of nations (if not more so), the truth is quite different!

The truth is that each and every step along Hawaii's path from sovereign and independent nation, to annexed territory, to state, was done in violation of laws and treaties then in effect, without regard to the wishes of the Hawaiian people.

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[link to whatreallyhappened.com]

The change over comes when everything crashes in the US - which is pretty much any day now.

That's one of the reasons I'm so glad to live here - there won't be the same chaos that will occur on the mainland.

Is this the ali'i you were referring to?

"Ali'i Nui Dayne Aipoalani, leader of the Polynesian Kingdom of Atooi (PKOA) Hawaii, announces the celebration of "Atooi's Queen Lili'uokalani Jubilee 2009." We are extending an invitation to all people who love and honor our Queen to please join us in prayers, ceremony and celebration."

[link to islandbreath.blogspot.com]

More details please. This is huge news if true.

Hawai'i in NOT Really a State

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But in the end, simple greed and military interest overrode any concerns or moral right and legality. Hawaii's legitimate government was toppled using threat of American military force. Hawaii was stolen from her people for the benefit of wealthy American plantation owners and military interests, and the justifications for the crime were invented after-the-fact.

Hawaii's government was overthrown on Jan. 17, 1893, by a relatively small group of men, most of them American by birth or heritage, who seized control of the Islands with the backing of American troops sent ashore from a warship in Honolulu Harbor. To this "superior force of the United States of America," Queen Lili`uokalani yielded her throne, under protest, in order to avoid bloodshed, trusting that the United States government would right the wrong that had been done to her and the Hawaiian people.

But the United States had, in 1826, recognized Hawaii as a sovereign nation in its own right, and imposed the usual import tariffs on sugar coming from the islands. This cut into the profits of the sugar plantations. Indeed, being American citizens themselves, the plantation owners were rankled by the fact that the US government actually made more profit from their sugar then the plantation owners themselves did! To evade the tariff, it became necessary to the plantation owners that Hawaii cease being a separate and sovereign nation.

It is important to recall that, unlike the hereditary rulers of Europe, Hawaii's last two Kings were actually elected to that office by democratic vote. Kalakaua and his sister Lili`uokalani were well-educated, intelligent, skilled in social graces, and equally at home with Hawaiian traditions and court ceremony. Above all, they were deeply concerned about the well-being of the Hawaiian people and maintaining the independence of the kingdom. They saw no reason to relinquish their independence solely to make already rich Americans richer still.

Kalakaua was compelled to accept a new Cabinet composed of league members, who presented their constitution to him for his signature at `Iolani Palace. The reluctant king argued and protested, but finally signed the document, which became known as the Bayonet Constitution, as in "signed at the point of". As one Cabinet member noted, "Little was left to the imagination of the hesitating and unwilling sovereign, as to what he might expect in the event of his refusal to comply with the demands made upon him."

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He's the King.

I'm friends with one of the Chiefs in Kaua'i and another one on the Big Island.

I assisted in research a couple of years ago when they were getting ready to go before the World Court.

There's an AWFUL lot that goes on on this planet that the general public doesn't know about and that doesn't make the MSM or even the internet.

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The Bayonet Constitution greatly curtailed the king's power, making him a mere figurehead. It placed the actual executive power in the hands of the Cabinet, whose members could no longer be dismissed by the king, only by the Legislature. Amending this constitution was also the exclusive prerogative of the Legislature. The Bayonet Constitution's other purpose was to remove the Native Hawaiian majority's dominance at the polls and in the Legislature. The righteous reformers were determined to save the Hawaiians from self-government.

On Jan. 20, 1891, King Kalakaua died of kidney disease at age 54, leaving his sister, Lili`uokalani' as Queen of Hawaii, who childless herself, declared the young Princess Ka`iulani her successor to the throne. Just 7 months later, Lili`uokalani' s husband, John Dominis, an American sea captain's son, also died.

On Jan. 14, 1893 the queen attempted to proclaim a new constitution restoring power to the throne and rights to the Native Hawaiian people.

Alerted earlier of the queen's intention by two of her Cabinet members, the Annexation Club sprang into action. A 13-member Committee of Safety was chosen to plan the overthrow of the queen and the establishment of a provisional government. As they plotted revolution, they claimed that the queen, by proposing to alter the constitution, had committed ''a revolutionary act."

The American warship USS Boston was in port at Honolulu Harbor. With an eye toward landing troops, Lorrin Thurston and two others called upon the American minister in Hawaii, John L. Stevens, an avowed annexationist. Stevens assured them he would not protect the queen, and that he would land troops from the Boston if necessary "to protect American lives and property." He also said that if the revolutionaries were in possession of government buildings and actually in control of the city, he would recognize their provisional government. It is important to note that Stevens lacked any legal standing to recognize a new government on behalf of the United States.

The next day, Jan. 15, Thurston told the queen's Cabinet that the Committee of Safety would challenge her. and delivered a letter to Minister Stevens requesting him to land troops from the Boston, stating that "the public safety is menaced and life and property are in peril." This was a critical point. The "public safety" was threatened only by the Committee of Safety itself. Stevens had no legal basis to send American troops ashore in force. It was, by any definition of the word, an invasion using American troops, in order to overthrow a foreign government.

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[link to whatreallyhappened.com]

Am familiar with the history.

Would like to hear more about Hawai'i's independence.

How do you know this is true?

You say locals know. For how long? I see nothing on any blogs or anywhere to support this.

How would Kaua'i's independence bring the independence of the entire chain of islands?

Who was the ali'i you spoke with?

interesting theory....making Obama Legally not president....however, none of the facts in evidence presented here even if 100% true, would prevent Obama from being Lawfully President....

Hawai'i is NOT Really a State

The Committee of Safety offered the presidency of the provisional government to Sanford B. Dole, another of the "mission boys," as Thurston called them. Rather than abolishing the monarchy, Dole favored replacing the queen with a regency holding the throne in trust until Princess Ka'iulani came of age. He accepted the presidency and submitted his resignation as a justice in Hawaii's Supreme Court.

On the morning of Jan. 17, Dole gave Stevens a letter from Thurston, asking for his recognition of the provisional government, which they planned to proclaim at 3 that afternoon. The American minister told Dole, "I think you have a great opportunity."

On Jan. 17, 1893, at dusk, Queen Lili`uokalani yielded her throne under protest, with these words:

"I, Lili`uokalani, by the grace of God and under the constitution of the Hawaiian Kingdom, Queen, do hereby solemnly protest against any and all acts done against myself and the constitutional government of the Hawaiian Kingdom by certain persons claiming to have established a Provisional Government of and for this Kingdom.
"That I yield to the superior force of the United States of America, whose Minister Plenipotentiary, His Excellency John L. Stevens, has caused United States troops to be landed at Honolulu and declared that he would support the said Provisional Government.

"Now, to avoid any collision of armed forces and perhaps loss of life, I do, under this protest, and impelled by said forces, yield my authority until such time as the Government of the United States shall, upon the facts being presented to it, undo the action of its representative and reinstate me in the authority which I claim as the constitutional sovereign of the Hawaiian Islands."

Note that the queen surrendered Hawaii's sovereignty not to the revolutionaries but to the "superior force of the United States of America". This firmly put the United States in the legal position of having invaded and overthrown the government of a foreign nation without provocation.

he new provisional government drafted a constitution and declared it law by proclamation -- the very act for which they had forced Lili`uokalani from her throne.

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Posting exact names of my friends is getting a little personal.

Just take note and watch.

Identification and Driver's Licenses are already being issued. Have already seen one and plan on getting mine ASAP.

Information packets for those desiring citizenship are being prepared on Oahu right now.

Not sure the exact specifics as I have not been closely involved for awhile.

Just a warning, it will happen officially when the US crashes which can't be long now - Obama's departure was the fat lady walking onto the stage.

The articles say Kaua'i is soveran, not the entire state which is comprised of O'ahu (where Obama was born) Mau'i Molakai'i, Hawai'i, Ni'ihau, Kahoʻolawe,and Lana'i.

Hawai'i is NOT Really a State

In all, three separate Treaties of Annexation were sent to congress. All three failed. In the end, Hawaii was annexed by a joint resolution of Congress. But Congress did not have the legal authority to do so. A joint resolution of Congress has no legal standing in a foreign country, which is what Hawaii remained, even under the provisional government.

Sovereignty of Hawaii was formally transferred to the United States at ceremonies at `Iolani Palace on Aug. 12, 1898. Sanford Dole spoke as the newly appointed governor of the Territory of Hawaii. The Hawaiian anthem, ''Hawaii Pono `I" -- with words written by King Kalakaua -- was played at the Hawaiian flag was lowered, and replaced by the American flag and "The Star-Spangled Banner." The Hawaiian people had lost their land, their monarchy and now their independence. The American plantation owners were now free of the import tariffs; small matter that the Hawaiian people had lost their independence along the way.

Even this act of transfer was illegal under international, law. Beginning with Dewey's attack at Manila, the international rules of war went into effect, with Spain and the United States as belligerents and Hawaii as a neutral nation. Under the Hague convention of 1907, the United States government was required to enforce Hawaiian law rather than its own, but failed to do so.
By annexing Hawaii without a treaty, then stationing military forces on the islands, the US, while a belligerent nation in wartime, committed an unprovoked incursion into a neutral nation and established military forces there. This is what Hitler did across Europe and Japan did in China. This is an act of war under anyone's laws.

In 1959 Hawaii's plebiscite vote was held, and again, the United States government bent the rules. The plebiscite ballot only had the choice between statehood and remaining a territory. No option for independence appeared on the ballot as was required under the UN charter. Cheated out of their independence yet again, Hawaiians voted for the lesser of two evils and became the 50th state.

The history of Hawaii's transition from sovereign nation to a state of the United States is a history of crime after crime after crime, of policy put forward by proclamation and reinforced by American weapons of war, of military incursion, of violations of international law and treaties then in effect. None of the events which turned Hawaii from a sovereign nation into a part of the US was legal and above board. It was robbery, by anyone's definition of the word, with the justifications and excuses made up after the fact to make the affair palatable to an American public that still wanted to view its government as fair, just, and honorable.

In 1988, a study by the United States Justice Department concluded that Congress did not have the authority to annex Hawaii by joint resolution. The ersatz annexation was a cover for the military occupation of the Hawaiian islands for purposes related to the Spanish American war.

Bill Clinton signs United States Public Law 103-150

On November 23, 1993, President Clinton signed United States Public Law 103-150, which not only acknowledged the illegal actions committed by the United States in the overthrow of the legitimate government of Hawaii, but also that the Hawaiian people never surrendered their sovereignty. The latter is the most important part of United States Public Law 103-150 for it makes it quite clear that the Hawaiian people never legally ceased to be a sovereign separate independent nation. There is no argument that can change that fact.

United States Public Law 103-150, despite its polite language, is an official admission that the government of the United States illegally occupies the territory of the Hawaiian people.

In 1999, the United Nations confirmed that the plebiscite vote that led to Hawaii's statehood was in violation of article 73 of the United Nations' charter. The Hawaii statehood vote, under treaty then in effect, was illegal and non-binding. (The same is true of the Alaska plebiscite).

In a world where nations are as governed by laws as are men, Hawaii is not and has never legally been a part of the United States. Hawaii was stolen from the Hawaiian people, and they want it back.

[link to whatreallyhappened.com]

I don't blame you one bit!

How I envy you.

You live in what is undoubtedly one of the most beautiful places on Earth!

Rev. this is extremely interesting

I lived in Lahaina from '91 to '02 and my father in law still lives in Wailuku. Believe it or not in the 11 years I lived on Maui I never made it over to Kaua'i partly because it was so devastated by hurricane Iniki back in '92.

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Anyway, what is your opinion on homeownership after the change over? Do you feel that a homeowner would lose their ownership rights if they were not of Hawaiian blood?

Planes are still flying - get a one way ticket and bring a tent.

Yes.

And here's a link to a picture of Ali'i Nui Dayne Aipoalani (Gonsalves) holding the Royal Scepter of King Kamehameha I.

King Kamehameha I was his great, great, great grandfather.

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I live on the Big Island and have not heard or read anything about this. Then will all the people that have been living off the US's money have to pay it back? No more section 8 or food stamps, or free medical and money? do they know no more free money or handouts? I guess they are all going to get jobs or starve, because Hawaii dont have that kind of money.

Is this shit roleplay or are you being serious? Like this even has any of importance.

No need to post names of friends. Didn't know it was personal.

Looking forward to learning more.

How can I become a subject of the Kingdom of Atooi?

Must I relinquish U.S. citizenship?

Is what you're saying about Obama's departure being the "fat lady walking onto the stage" just conjecture, or do you know more about his leaving? If so, what else can you say about this?

Mahalo.

So Hawaii is it's own nation OP?

Most Hawaiians cant stand white people, if all this shit goes down in the world, whites may be in real danger over here.

I like his pic. Seems to be a very good man with a good, strong heart.

Holy cow. Direct grandson of King Kamehameha I? Wow.

Did you know Uncle George?

Hey, Rev: Been following this since the original thread, but I'm still a little confused. The OP in this thread says, and you have maintained, Kauai is now independent. The OP says that means we have one less state. It would seem Hawaii is still part of the US, and it's just one island that's now independent. Do I have that right?

Also, if my understanding is right, this shouldn't affect Obama's citizenship, assuming (and it's a big assumption) he was born in Honolulu.

Last Edited by Revbo™ on 11/05/2010 11:14 PM

Where's the original thread, please?

I'm not sure of all the specifics but I believe it includes all the islands with Kauai as the lead and not Oahu. Kaua'i was always a separate Kingdom and never conquered.

Atooi was the original name.

As far as Obama's citizenship, I don't think it really even comes into play.

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Gotcha. Thanks. I guess, if he's not coming back, his citizenship becomes an academic issue, anyway. Still, I'd like to see the BC, just so I can tell all my friends who keep saying we'll never know, "I told you so."