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Question regarding shapeshifting...

 
unspoken411  (OP)

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Hey Op. Sorry if this doesnt help you. Its just always played on my mind.


I believe your story too. I can believe its possible that people grow their hair long and start looking different within a week or so. I often look different too. Sometimes peoples eyes change between blue and other colors because different things get activated at different times.

An animal changes fur color depending on temperature sometimes.

I guess shapeshifting in those senses is common.

In the case of the OP, his experience seems like he was aware of the shifts, as compared to Mr.Beautiful. It could be diet related.

It could be diet related for the OP too. Some foods could potentially cause a person to have a crazy episode.
 Quoting: FreedomStands

Diethmm interesting, not sure what I had to eat that day. Hard to recall as it was almost a decade ago, my memories are a bit fragmented, especially when it comes to food I ate years ago.

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I have the ability to change my face and eyes at will when in certain situations. but in reality it's a shift in the frequency that the person witnessing the change is experiencing. You don't actually change. the persons perception of you does.

then as one learns to develop this particular form of projection they can hone their craft by learning to adjust body position etc.

t

That is pretty intense jonathan...your perception of reality must be incredible if you truly have this ability. When you say change your face, what do you mean? How? Also eyes?



we control our bodies, it is our synaptic responses in the brain that move this organic space suit we call a human being.

If you like I will tell you the first 3 things I did in order to have an understanding of what inward out can do
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please, that would be appreciated grately
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Hey Op. Sorry if this doesnt help you. Its just always played on my mind.
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No worries, still an interesting thought
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Dr. House wrote:
"Shape-shifting is impossible. Well the type like your typical werewolf who in minutes converts from human form to wolf form."

You assume too much Dr. House.
I've seen it happen and know it's possible. I wasn't the only one that saw it either.

I'm an educated, modern person that believes in the scientific method, and yet I saw it with my own eyes.

The Native Americans call them skin walkers.

I don't care who believes me or doesn't because I know what I saw.
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OP - Answer me this: Do you think that you are posessed?
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I have the ability to change my face and eyes at will when in certain situations. but in reality it's a shift in the frequency that the person witnessing the change is experiencing. You don't actually change. the persons perception of you does.

then as one learns to develop this particular form of projection they can hone their craft by learning to adjust body position etc.

t

That is pretty intense jonathan...your perception of reality must be incredible if you truly have this ability. When you say change your face, what do you mean? How? Also eyes?



we control our bodies, it is our synaptic responses in the brain that move this organic space suit we call a human being.

If you like I will tell you the first 3 things I did in order to have an understanding of what inward out can do

please, that would be appreciated grately
 Quoting: unspoken411



here's how I did it

I was a dancer for 15 years my path started year 2000 I had already quit dancing however dance taught me to understand my body. Thinks like distribution of weight, utilization of space etc. causing me to walk taller and more confident because I knew that I was in control.

the next step is to learn that silence is a sound and the power of being able to find and access that sound will do for a mind beginning to understand the manipulation of energes around them is possible when the mind is on par with the body.

The hardest part about solidifying a foundation of vocational understanding is going to be the person who wishes to be allowed the ability to interact rather than just observe.

For that I tell people when dealing with these types of energies.. it's the smallest things that will effect the greatest of change. making it that uch easier for the caster to manifest.
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I had this encounter with this thing I transformed into and have been scratching my head ever since.




What was your experience? What do you think you transformed into? Where you in a high-stress situation? Drugs and/or alcohol involved?

The devil is in the details. Who told you the answers would come in time?

I was completely sobaer at the time as well, we both were...I don't know what I change into, I feel it has something to do with interdimentional influences though. I'm just not sure what kind. I have also pondered that I might have been taken over by a jinn or something of that nature, but honestly i'm still in the dark about so much.


I mean all this would require alot of other beliefs before it can make sense. For example, there have to actually be alternate dimensions for an extra dimensional being to exist, and then dimensions would have to have rifts or lapses where they can impose into this dimension or vice versa, and then other stuff.

What you're describing you turned into is like a modern idea of a demon with horns and stuff.

But things in nature that have horns are just herbivores and don't have anything really scary about them for the most part, like cows and stuff. Usually the most scary thing about horned creatures in life is their size.

Also, for your idea to be true, things need to be able to possess people too. Unless this thing was already inside of you, a part of you.

You could never know for certain what happened, the most you could do is come to certain beliefs about it.

It is possible that everything happened as you may suspect and that there are other dimensions and possession and all that, but it may not be that way at all.

It is also possible that you hit on a little glitch in your own personality where you kept going with something and felt you couldnt stop, found yourself uncontrollably imagining what was happening so that it even felt out of control, and in reality didn't transform into the demon from Doctor Who (or something similar) but just thought you did while the girl just saw you acting crazy and freaking out, ran away.

I think episodes of people going through this are not entirely uncommon, but many people going through it are called insane or experiencing an episode of mental illness.

It could be based in something outside yourself, it could be based entirely in you.

The nicest thing I could say about it though is that I believe you and your story.

If it wasn't too painful, do you think you can light a candle and do it again, this time with a video tape? Something cool might happen like static or other disturbances. Do you think you could repeat it or re enact it?

I think that you started acting like a demon or scary, and once you started found you couldn't stop (and maybe even weren't aware of how it started), and so it kept going until you even scared yourself and snapped out of it (or some part of you noticed the girl running away and so wanted her to stay.

There are some kids in the world who do really weird things, and they feel in retrospect that they had no control over their crazy actions, but really maybe they just liked the girl?
 Quoting: FreedomStands

interesting perspective and I have tried many times to reanact and haven't been able to but your idea of video taping myself while trying this for the chance to see something, anything interesting is a good idea. I would have thought I was insane if it wasn't for all the correlation giving credence to what happened. It's just highly improbable like two people experiencing deja vu at the exact same time. Thank you for your kind words and support, I appreciate your honesty .
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interesting perspective and I have tried many times to reanact and haven't been able to but your idea of video taping myself while trying this for the chance to see something, anything interesting is a good idea. I would have thought I was insane if it wasn't for all the correlation giving credence to what happened. It's just highly improbable like two people experiencing deja vu at the exact same time. Thank you for your kind words and support, I appreciate your honesty .
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Did the girl actually say she saw the horns and stuff? I thought maybe she just saw the eye rolling and ran for her life.
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I have the ability to change my face and eyes at will when in certain situations. but in reality it's a shift in the frequency that the person witnessing the change is experiencing. You don't actually change. the persons perception of you does.

then as one learns to develop this particular form of projection they can hone their craft by learning to adjust body position etc.

t

That is pretty intense jonathan...your perception of reality must be incredible if you truly have this ability. When you say change your face, what do you mean? How? Also eyes?



we control our bodies, it is our synaptic responses in the brain that move this organic space suit we call a human being.

If you like I will tell you the first 3 things I did in order to have an understanding of what inward out can do

please, that would be appreciated grately



here's how I did it

I was a dancer for 15 years my path started year 2000 I had already quit dancing however dance taught me to understand my body. Thinks like distribution of weight, utilization of space etc. causing me to walk taller and more confident because I knew that I was in control.

the next step is to learn that silence is a sound and the power of being able to find and access that sound will do for a mind beginning to understand the manipulation of energes around them is possible when the mind is on par with the body.

The hardest part about solidifying a foundation of vocational understanding is going to be the person who wishes to be allowed the ability to interact rather than just observe.

For that I tell people when dealing with these types of energies.. it's the smallest things that will effect the greatest of change. making it that uch easier for the caster to manifest.
 Quoting: Jonathan97202 931875


Since all of what you say might not even be true, why not make it easier for yourself? I'm not saying that you can't do all those things, but it seems like there are some imaginary difficulties you seem to believe as well in between whatever it is you're trying to achieve.

How do you know you know those energies exist? Lets say they do, why should there be any difficulties in "controlling" them?
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Dr. House wrote:
"Shape-shifting is impossible. Well the type like your typical werewolf who in minutes converts from human form to wolf form."

You assume too much Dr. House.
I've seen it happen and know it's possible. I wasn't the only one that saw it either.

I'm an educated, modern person that believes in the scientific method, and yet I saw it with my own eyes.

The Native Americans call them skin walkers.

I don't care who believes me or doesn't because I know what I saw.
 Quoting: PrincessBride

I consider myself an educated person as well and know this is possible so that is something we both can agree on. Sounds like you witnessed something similiar. Share your story and i'll listen without the ridicule or "skepticism" should I say lol It's easy to be skeptical over such things. It's the kinda shit you only see in movies and such but sometimes, there are those who are given the chance to see things for what they are.

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Dr. House wrote:
"Shape-shifting is impossible. Well the type like your typical werewolf who in minutes converts from human form to wolf form."

You assume too much Dr. House.
I've seen it happen and know it's possible. I wasn't the only one that saw it either.

I'm an educated, modern person that believes in the scientific method, and yet I saw it with my own eyes.

The Native Americans call them skin walkers.

I don't care who believes me or doesn't because I know what I saw.
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Please tell us your story in detail!
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interesting perspective and I have tried many times to reanact and haven't been able to but your idea of video taping myself while trying this for the chance to see something, anything interesting is a good idea. I would have thought I was insane if it wasn't for all the correlation giving credence to what happened. It's just highly improbable like two people experiencing deja vu at the exact same time. Thank you for your kind words and support, I appreciate your honesty .


Did the girl actually say she saw the horns and stuff? I thought maybe she just saw the eye rolling and ran for her life.
 Quoting: FreedomStands

She said she remembered bits and pieces and the horns was one of the things she remembered...Her friend is the one that makes the connection/correlation though. She is the one that remembered the story after like 7 years only to retell my friend what she had forgot. So, she saw everything, and her friend refreshed her memory of it but it was so suppressed that it was still a little fragmented but even if she couldn't remember, that doesn't matter because her friend remembers the story that she told her the night that it happened.

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I have the ability to change my face and eyes at will when in certain situations. but in reality it's a shift in the frequency that the person witnessing the change is experiencing. You don't actually change. the persons perception of you does.

then as one learns to develop this particular form of projection they can hone their craft by learning to adjust body position etc.

t

That is pretty intense jonathan...your perception of reality must be incredible if you truly have this ability. When you say change your face, what do you mean? How? Also eyes?



we control our bodies, it is our synaptic responses in the brain that move this organic space suit we call a human being.

If you like I will tell you the first 3 things I did in order to have an understanding of what inward out can do

please, that would be appreciated grately



here's how I did it

I was a dancer for 15 years my path started year 2000 I had already quit dancing however dance taught me to understand my body. Thinks like distribution of weight, utilization of space etc. causing me to walk taller and more confident because I knew that I was in control.

the next step is to learn that silence is a sound and the power of being able to find and access that sound will do for a mind beginning to understand the manipulation of energes around them is possible when the mind is on par with the body.

The hardest part about solidifying a foundation of vocational understanding is going to be the person who wishes to be allowed the ability to interact rather than just observe.

For that I tell people when dealing with these types of energies.. it's the smallest things that will effect the greatest of change. making it that uch easier for the caster to manifest.


Since all of what you say might not even be true, why not make it easier for yourself? I'm not saying that you can't do all those things, but it seems like there are some imaginary difficulties you seem to believe as well in between whatever it is you're trying to achieve.

How do you know you know those energies exist? Lets say they do, why should there be any difficulties in "controlling" them?
 Quoting: FreedomStands


have to crawl before you can walk. have to cry before you can talk, have to experience before you can believe

For to truly be amongst the few that can manipulate the environment around them you have to live it, not just utilize itl

it's like telling a dancer that the music doesn't move you, you move the music

and that brings us back to my first 3 things at the end of the day the downfall is going to be the individual because it doesn't happen fast or often enough.
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have to crawl before you can walk. have to cry before you can talk, have to experience before you can believe

For to truly be amongst the few that can manipulate the environment around them you have to live it, not just utilize itl

it's like telling a dancer that the music doesn't move you, you move the music

and that brings us back to my first 3 things at the end of the day the downfall is going to be the individual because it doesn't happen fast or often enough.
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Why do I have to crawl before I can walk, cry before I can talk, and have experiences before I can believe? I think these are supposed to be truisms, which is fine, but what makes them true at all?

If we're moved by the "music", then do we have any control or are we just flowing with the environment?

What do you mean by downfall? Why can't it happen fast? What are we talking about again?
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you guys got trolled

hahaha why do I bother coming here anymore. What a waste of time
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I have the ability to change my face and eyes at will when in certain situations. but in reality it's a shift in the frequency that the person witnessing the change is experiencing. You don't actually change. the persons perception of you does.

then as one learns to develop this particular form of projection they can hone their craft by learning to adjust body position etc.

t

That is pretty intense jonathan...your perception of reality must be incredible if you truly have this ability. When you say change your face, what do you mean? How? Also eyes?



we control our bodies, it is our synaptic responses in the brain that move this organic space suit we call a human being.

If you like I will tell you the first 3 things I did in order to have an understanding of what inward out can do

please, that would be appreciated grately



here's how I did it

I was a dancer for 15 years my path started year 2000 I had already quit dancing however dance taught me to understand my body. Thinks like distribution of weight, utilization of space etc. causing me to walk taller and more confident because I knew that I was in control.

the next step is to learn that silence is a sound and the power of being able to find and access that sound will do for a mind beginning to understand the manipulation of energes around them is possible when the mind is on par with the body.

The hardest part about solidifying a foundation of vocational understanding is going to be the person who wishes to be allowed the ability to interact rather than just observe.

For that I tell people when dealing with these types of energies.. it's the smallest things that will effect the greatest of change. making it that uch easier for the caster to manifest.
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Understandable and I agree with you. That is why I think awareness plays one of the major roles in that process and the proper utilization of the will/intent but in order to manipulate on that scale, one must have crazy powers of awareness and observation cause that shit just doesn't happen to everyone...I'm sorry, it just doesn't. So well done if you have mastered that gift, that's something alchemist aim to achieve their entire lives...
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you guys got trolled

hahaha why do I bother coming here anymore. What a waste of time
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I tell myself that everyday and...This isn't a troll thread buddy, I wish there was a way I could prove this shit but all I have is the damn story. I could take a polygraph though lol we could arrange a little get together and you could satisfy you doubt and skepticism that way I suppose
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have to crawl before you can walk. have to cry before you can talk, have to experience before you can believe

For to truly be amongst the few that can manipulate the environment around them you have to live it, not just utilize itl

it's like telling a dancer that the music doesn't move you, you move the music

and that brings us back to my first 3 things at the end of the day the downfall is going to be the individual because it doesn't happen fast or often enough.
 Quoting: Jonathan97202 931875

Also wanted to add that belief is another capstone to what you are saying, seem we lose are beliefs in what is and what isn't possible as we get older. One of the most important things is to keep your beliefs far reaching
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OP - Answer me this: Do you think that you are posessed?
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hard to say really, what can be more alien than the spirit of god within you. Do you feel you are your body or something entirely different? Is the devil and god raging inside me...who knows these secrets? I am only trying to learn.
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OP - Answer me this: Do you think that you are posessed?
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OP: Did you ignore me or just miss me?

It really matters what YOU believe. You say that you have moved passed the possession literature, but that doesnt mean you dont think it. It sounds like you at least suspect it.
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interesting perspective and I have tried many times to reanact and haven't been able to but your idea of video taping myself while trying this for the chance to see something, anything interesting is a good idea. I would have thought I was insane if it wasn't for all the correlation giving credence to what happened. It's just highly improbable like two people experiencing deja vu at the exact same time. Thank you for your kind words and support, I appreciate your honesty .


Did the girl actually say she saw the horns and stuff? I thought maybe she just saw the eye rolling and ran for her life.

She said she remembered bits and pieces and the horns was one of the things she remembered...Her friend is the one that makes the connection/correlation though. She is the one that remembered the story after like 7 years only to retell my friend what she had forgot. So, she saw everything, and her friend refreshed her memory of it but it was so suppressed that it was still a little fragmented but even if she couldn't remember, that doesn't matter because her friend remembers the story that she told her the night that it happened.
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So did you talk to the friend and get the story of what she was told happened that night?

According to the friend, she was told by your friend V that she saw horns growing out of you? You in the meantime were able to experience and view yourself having these horns?

That's cool, but I've always thought horns are a little silly because they have to do with cows and gazelle and generally peaceful creatures who often get eaten alot and are just herbivores mainly.

The horns are usually used for mating contests I think, like battles.

But really traditional demons, jinns, and whatever are not physical beings but are spirit beings, or the modern idea would be that they are made of a material that is different from us, such as plasma. (The Qur'an describes jinns as being made of "smokeless fire" which can be description of plasma).

Some people believe humans can be possessed by them, but then that contradicts other people's belief in total free will. If we can be controlled, then who is to say that we aren't being controlled right now, whats the difference?

Through art, and dealing with various "pagan" religions, demons came to be associated with horns. It is possible it is also connected with an old entity from Jewish lore known as Azazel who was supposedly a half goat half man type being that was worshipped in the middle east (if this is true that there was such a god or spirit worshipped by people, then it may have been considered a protector of herds). That is a possible link to where the goat connection came from. More recently the goat connection was made through the trials of the Templars who were supposedly worshipping a goat headed being called Baphomet (which some might have thought was a mistranslation of Mohammed).

There are lots of routes to go for research. In the end it will come to what you're willing to believe and what you're willing to settle on.

I've come to the belief that nothing can be known for certain, because even if we know something, we can't know we know it for sure.

Belief in extra dimensionals relies on many other beliefs for it to be believable to the person. In other words you will need to accept alot of things to accept that, when none of it might be real or true at all.

Then one might wonder, what beliefs are most beneficial to choose? Those that reduce personal risk probably.

There could be many psychological explanations of what happened too.

So then you're left with some choices again.

The external explanations
and the
The internal explanations

The external explanations could be the following:
An entity controlling you or imposing itself on you
Radiation or frequencies disrupting normal behavior
Pheramones from the girl, chemicals from the candle, allergins etc

Internal explanations could be:
That you had an episode based on psychological reasons

You could say, if it was an episode you experienced, how did the girl see it too

If it was a hallucination caused by the candle, the girl took in the same chemicals, but how then did she hallucinate the same thing.

So that would lead to the belief in either a shared hallucination, or the event physically happening, so anyone there would've witnessed it.

You can't know which it is for certain. She was the only other witness, and if it doesn't happen again then she will be the only witness. Plus she forgot which is troublesome.

Dual hallucination requires some beliefs, such as the belief in hallucinations and then the belief that hallucinations can somehow be shared.
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OP - Answer me this: Do you think that you are posessed?


OP: Did you ignore me or just miss me?

It really matters what YOU believe. You say that you have moved passed the possession literature, but that doesnt mean you dont think it. It sounds like you at least suspect it.
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no, I replied

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OP - Answer me this: Do you think that you are posessed?


OP: Did you ignore me or just miss me?

It really matters what YOU believe. You say that you have moved passed the possession literature, but that doesnt mean you dont think it. It sounds like you at least suspect it.
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Ok lets say he says he is currently inhabited by a demon(in his belief) What then will you say?

Ok lets say he says he is not (in his belief) currently inhabited by a demon. What then will you say?
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OP - Answer me this: Do you think that you are posessed?

hard to say really, what can be more alien than the spirit of god within you. Do you feel you are your body or something entirely different? Is the devil and god raging inside me...who knows these secrets? I am only trying to learn.
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Okey. I posted and then saw u replied.

I do think this is the BIG question...

If u accept that this happened, which u seem like u do, then u have bigger questions...Don't you?
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OP - Answer me this: Do you think that you are posessed?

hard to say really, what can be more alien than the spirit of god within you. Do you feel you are your body or something entirely different? Is the devil and god raging inside me...who knows these secrets? I am only trying to learn.
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Haha! I like the way this post has alot of question marks!
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Re: Question regarding shapeshifting...
If one has experienced shapeshifting, what is that an indicator of, what does it mean exactly?
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bee1 It's an indication that you are playing with fire, and that's exactly where you will end up if you die in your sins. If you would like to know more. CRAZY WOLF... [link to www.chick.com]
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interesting perspective and I have tried many times to reanact and haven't been able to but your idea of video taping myself while trying this for the chance to see something, anything interesting is a good idea. I would have thought I was insane if it wasn't for all the correlation giving credence to what happened. It's just highly improbable like two people experiencing deja vu at the exact same time. Thank you for your kind words and support, I appreciate your honesty .


Did the girl actually say she saw the horns and stuff? I thought maybe she just saw the eye rolling and ran for her life.

She said she remembered bits and pieces and the horns was one of the things she remembered...Her friend is the one that makes the connection/correlation though. She is the one that remembered the story after like 7 years only to retell my friend what she had forgot. So, she saw everything, and her friend refreshed her memory of it but it was so suppressed that it was still a little fragmented but even if she couldn't remember, that doesn't matter because her friend remembers the story that she told her the night that it happened.


So did you talk to the friend and get the story of what she was told happened that night?

According to the friend, she was told by your friend V that she saw horns growing out of you? You in the meantime were able to experience and view yourself having these horns?

That's cool, but I've always thought horns are a little silly because they have to do with cows and gazelle and generally peaceful creatures who often get eaten alot and are just herbivores mainly.

The horns are usually used for mating contests I think, like battles.

But really traditional demons, jinns, and whatever are not physical beings but are spirit beings, or the modern idea would be that they are made of a material that is different from us, such as plasma. (The Qur'an describes jinns as being made of "smokeless fire" which can be description of plasma).

Some people believe humans can be possessed by them, but then that contradicts other people's belief in total free will. If we can be controlled, then who is to say that we aren't being controlled right now, whats the difference?

Through art, and dealing with various "pagan" religions, demons came to be associated with horns. It is possible it is also connected with an old entity from Jewish lore known as Azazel who was supposedly a half goat half man type being that was worshipped in the middle east (if this is true that there was such a god or spirit worshipped by people, then it may have been considered a protector of herds). That is a possible link to where the goat connection came from. More recently the goat connection was made through the trials of the Templars who were supposedly worshipping a goat headed being called Baphomet (which some might have thought was a mistranslation of Mohammed).

There are lots of routes to go for research. In the end it will come to what you're willing to believe and what you're willing to settle on.

I've come to the belief that nothing can be known for certain, because even if we know something, we can't know we know it for sure.

Belief in extra dimensionals relies on many other beliefs for it to be believable to the person. In other words you will need to accept alot of things to accept that, when none of it might be real or true at all.

Then one might wonder, what beliefs are most beneficial to choose? Those that reduce personal risk probably.

There could be many psychological explanations of what happened too.

So then you're left with some choices again.

The external explanations
and the
The internal explanations

The external explanations could be the following:
An entity controlling you or imposing itself on you
Radiation or frequencies disrupting normal behavior
Pheramones from the girl, chemicals from the candle, allergins etc

Internal explanations could be:
That you had an episode based on psychological reasons

You could say, if it was an episode you experienced, how did the girl see it too

If it was a hallucination caused by the candle, the girl took in the same chemicals, but how then did she hallucinate the same thing.

So that would lead to the belief in either a shared hallucination, or the event physically happening, so anyone there would've witnessed it.

You can't know which it is for certain. She was the only other witness, and if it doesn't happen again then she will be the only witness. Plus she forgot which is troublesome.

Dual hallucination requires some beliefs, such as the belief in hallucinations and then the belief that hallucinations can somehow be shared.
 Quoting: FreedomStands

The horns pertruded out of my head similiar to this picture but much much larger. Kinda like what you see in hellboy or the movie legend. I wonder where they all got the ideas for the devils in these films...hmm
[link to mmmgroup.altervista.org]
and she didn't forget entirely...it's fragmented but she did remember the horns, her friend remembers the entire story and yes, it was as described. I don't know what kind of candle could cause that kind of hallucination especially with us being sober...? plus why would we both hallucinate the same thing? If it was a shared hallucination induced from the chemical caused from the candle...

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Re: Question regarding shapeshifting...
OP - Answer me this: Do you think that you are posessed?

hard to say really, what can be more alien than the spirit of god within you. Do you feel you are your body or something entirely different? Is the devil and god raging inside me...who knows these secrets? I am only trying to learn.


Okey. I posted and then saw u replied.

I do think this is the BIG question...

If u accept that this happened, which u seem like u do, then u have bigger questions...Don't you?
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much...very disturbing question. At times I feel I am damned because of this experience and at other times blessed...why is it that we must battle ourselves in this way? Driving ourselves mad like a splinter digging it's way in creating an itch that can never be scratched...

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Re: Question regarding shapeshifting...
OP - Answer me this: Do you think that you are posessed?

hard to say really, what can be more alien than the spirit of god within you. Do you feel you are your body or something entirely different? Is the devil and god raging inside me...who knows these secrets? I am only trying to learn.


Okey. I posted and then saw u replied.

I do think this is the BIG question...

If u accept that this happened, which u seem like u do, then u have bigger questions...Don't you?

much...very disturbing question. At times I feel I am damned because of this experience and at other times blessed...why is it that we must battle ourselves in this way? Driving ourselves mad like a splinter digging it's way in creating an inch that can never be scratched...
 Quoting: unspoken411


I'm the one who posted to about the shapeshifting man and though it didnt help you maybe this will. It caused me to question everything I believe. Most of what we know of good/evil indeed 'reality' is passed down to us. Do you really believe, for example, that the Catholic church is the arbiter of good and evil in our world? I don't.

All you can do is look inside yourself and your own behaviour and know if you are a demonic evil thing or not. No one here knows you. No one here can answer that. Only you can.
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Re: Question regarding shapeshifting...
interesting perspective and I have tried many times to reanact and haven't been able to but your idea of video taping myself while trying this for the chance to see something, anything interesting is a good idea. I would have thought I was insane if it wasn't for all the correlation giving credence to what happened. It's just highly improbable like two people experiencing deja vu at the exact same time. Thank you for your kind words and support, I appreciate your honesty .


Did the girl actually say she saw the horns and stuff? I thought maybe she just saw the eye rolling and ran for her life.

She said she remembered bits and pieces and the horns was one of the things she remembered...Her friend is the one that makes the connection/correlation though. She is the one that remembered the story after like 7 years only to retell my friend what she had forgot. So, she saw everything, and her friend refreshed her memory of it but it was so suppressed that it was still a little fragmented but even if she couldn't remember, that doesn't matter because her friend remembers the story that she told her the night that it happened.


So did you talk to the friend and get the story of what she was told happened that night?

According to the friend, she was told by your friend V that she saw horns growing out of you? You in the meantime were able to experience and view yourself having these horns?

That's cool, but I've always thought horns are a little silly because they have to do with cows and gazelle and generally peaceful creatures who often get eaten alot and are just herbivores mainly.

The horns are usually used for mating contests I think, like battles.

But really traditional demons, jinns, and whatever are not physical beings but are spirit beings, or the modern idea would be that they are made of a material that is different from us, such as plasma. (The Qur'an describes jinns as being made of "smokeless fire" which can be description of plasma).

Some people believe humans can be possessed by them, but then that contradicts other people's belief in total free will. If we can be controlled, then who is to say that we aren't being controlled right now, whats the difference?

Through art, and dealing with various "pagan" religions, demons came to be associated with horns. It is possible it is also connected with an old entity from Jewish lore known as Azazel who was supposedly a half goat half man type being that was worshipped in the middle east (if this is true that there was such a god or spirit worshipped by people, then it may have been considered a protector of herds). That is a possible link to where the goat connection came from. More recently the goat connection was made through the trials of the Templars who were supposedly worshipping a goat headed being called Baphomet (which some might have thought was a mistranslation of Mohammed).

 Quoting: unspoken411

Interesting thought on azazel but I doubt I have any connection to some pagan deity, like I said...and wouldn't you have to at least have some kind of belief system/foundation set in order to have anything such thing happen? The jinn idea was more of just a curious thought I entertained...having no real knowledge of them it is hard to come to anything of substance





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