I'm callin you out Christians, you & "The Book of Man"

Messianic prophecies fulfilled by Jesus Christ
By George Konig and Ray Konig
www.konig.org

Jesus is unique among all people in history in that he is the fulfillment of centuries of Messianic prophecies, which are found in the Old Testament of the Bible, that foretold his place of birth, details of his life, his mission, his nature, his death, and his resurrection. The prophecies are sometimes called "Messianic prophecies," because they refer to the Messiah, which means "anointed one" or "chosen one."

Some scholars estimate that there are more than 300 Messianic prophecies in the Bible's Old Testament that refer to the Messiah (Jesus). You can learn more about Bible prophecy at AboutBibleProphecy.com, and we have included a sampling below. These prophecies, as well as the books of the Old Testament, were written centuries before Jesus was born.

Many people think of Bible prophecies as being predictions about the future. Strictly speaking, they are not predictions, they are promises from God. Whereas a prediction can be a guess, a prophecy is more than a guess, it is a revelation from God about the future. The commentaries below are copyrighted material belonging to George Konig and Ray Konig, who are the authors of the material, and www.konig.org. All rights reserved. The material may not be copied in any form without written permission from the authors. To the extent that this article uses the word "prediction," the word is used synonymously with "foretelling," "foretold," or "promised."



Jesus foretold his death and resurrection
See Matthew 20:17-19, as an example.
Many of the early Christians, some of whom personally knew Jesus, were willing to risk death to tell others about Jesus and his offer of salvation and eternal life with God. In fact, some of Jesus' early followers were martyred, meaning they died for their belief in Jesus.



The line of kings from David would endure forever
See 2 Samuel 7:16 as an example.
There's more than one Messianic prophecy in the Old Testament that predicted that the line of kings that began with King David, about 3000 years ago, would be everlasting or eternal. History shows that most dynasties throughout history, throughout the world, were lucky if they lasted more than a few generations. But, because Jesus is fully God and fully human, he is able to be both eternal and a descendant of King David. Jesus is unique in his ability to fulfill this promise that God had made to David, that his throne would endure forever.



God's salvation would reach the ends of the earth
See Isaiah 49:6.
Isaiah, who was a prophet during the Old Testament era, gave many prophecies from God about a Messiah. In this particular example, he reveals that the Messiah would have a worldwide impact in that salvation would be brought to people throughout the world. Jesus fulfilled this prophecy. His promise of salvation has been evangelized to people all over the world.



The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem
See Micah 5:1-2.
About 2700 years ago, the prophet Micah prophesied that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem, a small village near Jerusalem. Jesus fulfilled this prophecy about 2000 years ago. Although Jesus was raised in the town of Nazareth, he was born in Bethlehem.



The Messiah would be a descendant of King David
See Jeremiah 23:5.
There are many Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament that predicted the lineage of the Messiah. In Jeremiah 23:5, as well as in other prophecies, we are told that the Messiah would be a descendant of King David. David ruled over the land of Israel about 1000 years before Jesus was born. Jesus is recorded in the New Testament books of Matthew and Luke as being a descendant of King David.



There would be a son called God
See Isaiah 9:6-7.
Isaiah, who lived before the time of Jesus, gave a prophecy about a "son" who would be called "Mighty God." Jesus, the Son of God, is fully human and fully God. As such, he is both "son" and "Mighty God."



The Messiah would be rejected
See Isaiah 53:1-3.
Although Jesus was accepted by some people as being the Messiah, he also was rejected by many people. In fact, the rejections led to him being executed, through crucifixion. Isaiah, in the 53rd chapter of the book of Old Testament book of Isaiah, foretold that the Messiah would be rejected. Despite what some modern scholars try to claim, the prophecies of Isaiah 53 have been widely regarded for many, many centuries by Christians and Judaists as being about a Messiah.



Daniel predicted when an anointed one would be rejected
See Daniel 9:24-26.
The prophet Daniel provided a chronology of events that included the revelation that the Messiah would be rejected before the destruction of the second Temple in Jerusalem. The Romans destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, about 40 years after Jesus was crucified. The Temple has never been rebuilt.



All who believe in Jesus will be saved
See John 3:16.
There are, according to some scholars, nearly 2000 prophecies in the Bible. Some of those prophecies make is clear that no matter what happens to the world, or to you, salvation is real, and you can have it. Anyone can have salvation. Salvation is guaranteed for believers, and that means forgiveness of sins and eternal life in heaven. One of the Bible verses that promises this is found in John 3:16, which says:

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16 NIV)

Maybe I'm just an unabashed skeptic, but the authenticity of all of it is suspect.
Especially since it was originally written in the old Hebrew, lost to us for generations.

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Gods word and inspiration is everywhere. Even the graffiti on the walls can tell you something.

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Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.
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Zephaniah 3:2 She obeys no one, she accepts no correction. She does not trust in the LORD, she does not draw near to her God.
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Romans 4:23 The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone,
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Romans 15:4 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
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2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.
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2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
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Oh yay! Another truth teller telling truth the truth that needs to be told by truth tellers for those who need to hear the truth from the tellers, the tellers of truth.... continue shocking the system ad nauseam until the deceased horse is soundly flogged....

But they've been changed over and over with every translation. Assuming for a moment there is anything to it, it's like a room full of toddlers playing telephone. By the time it has gotten to us now, in English, or even the Latin...it's FUBAR'd.

It's all the work of men, the mythology of a culture of PEOPLE, who are, by their own faith's tenets, quite fallible.

Belief in divine inspiration
Main articles: Biblical literalism, Biblical infallibility, and Biblical inerrancy
Some Christians adhere to a doctrine of biblical literalism, i.e. they regard both the New and Old Testament as the undiluted Word of God, spoken by God and written down in its perfect form by humans. Others hold the Biblical infallibility perspective, that the Bible is free from error in spiritual but not scientific matters. "Bible scholars claim that discussions about the Bible must be put into its context within church history and then into the context of contemporary culture."[15]

Belief in sacred texts is attested to in Jewish antiquity,[19][20] and this belief can also be seen in the earliest of Christian writings. Various texts of the Bible mention Divine agency in relation to prophetic writings,[21] the most explicit being: "All scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness."[2 Timothy 3:16]

In their book A General Introduction to the Bible, Norman Geisler and William Nix wrote: "The process of inspiration is a mystery of the providence of God, but the result of this process is a verbal, plenary, inerrant, and authoritative record."[22] Most evangelical biblical scholars[23][24][25] associate inspiration with only the original text; for example some American Protestants adhere to the 1978 Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy which asserted that inspiration applied only to the autographic text of Scripture.[26] A minority even within adherents of biblical literalism extend the claim of inerrancy to a particular translation, e.g. the King-James-Only Movement.

Bible versions and translations
Further information: Bible translations and Bible translations by language

A Bible handwritten in Latin, on display in Malmesbury Abbey, Wiltshire, England. This Bible was transcribed in Belgium in 1407 for reading aloud in a monastery.Bible versions are discussed below, while Bible translations can be found on a separate page.

The original texts of the Tanakh were in Hebrew, although some portions were in Aramaic. In addition to the authoritative Masoretic Text, Jews still refer to the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek, and the Targum Onkelos, an Aramaic version of the Bible. There are several different ancient versions of the Tanakh in Hebrew, mostly differing by spelling, and the traditional Jewish version is based on the version known as Aleppo Codex. Even in this version by itself, there are words which are traditionally read differently from written (sometimes one word is written and another is read), because the oral tradition is considered more fundamental than the written one, and presumably mistakes had been made in copying the text over the generations.

The primary biblical text for early Christians was the Septuagint or (LXX). In addition, they translated the Hebrew Bible into several other languages. Translations were made into Syriac, Coptic, Ge'ez and Latin, among other languages. The Latin translations were historically the most important for the Church in the West, while the Greek-speaking East continued to use the Septuagint translations of the Old Testament and had no need to translate the New Testament.

The earliest Latin translation was the Old Latin text, or Vetus Latina, which, from internal evidence, seems to have been made by several authors over a period of time. It was based on the Septuagint, and thus included books not in the Hebrew Bible.

Pope Damasus I assembled the first list of books of the Bible at the Council of Rome in AD 382. He commissioned Saint Jerome to produce a reliable and consistent text by translating the original Greek and Hebrew texts into Latin. This translation became known as the Latin Vulgate Bible and in 1546 at the Council of Trent was declared by the Church to be the only authentic and official Bible in the Latin Rite.

Especially since the Protestant Reformation, Bible translations for many languages have been made. The Bible has seen a notably large number of English language translations.

I went to catholic school and was an altar boy for 5 years. My grandfather was called preacher from 18 until he died. He and my father are both ordained baptist ministers. My grandfather and mother have 2 songs published in the primitive baptist hymnal used in the mid south.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

As usual when confronted with the Book of man, christians continue to use it as a viable source of recognition. The recognition comes from self, and beliefs that those dead men truly are inspired. Your faiths in dead men and their words. But none in the living words inspired by GOD.
Those dead men are not here to testify, but we are.

So,
Is your current religious belief known to be doing all it can for the betterment of mankind, your church, or you for that matter?
As for the words of GOD, no book we know holds any. Only books with words of man.

If you know and you sound like you do then everything contains the pattern, from newspapers and books to restaurant menus.

OP, our religious backgrounds are VERY similar indeed. You have also previously shared with me (shaneSteele) you somewhat violent adulthood i.e. assaults etc....

Having said that, I do not disagree with an analysis that MANKIND is the CREATOR, Manifestor, impetus, progenitor of ALL Religions,........nor different sects...

The challenge I have with your post is its refuting the weight, history, experience, documentation, and the incredible hubris you convey.......

Yes but if you look too hard you bump into things.

I was an alter boy also but almost never made it to my masses.

Even the Hebrew scripture is not the same as the Old Hebrew spoken by the Abrahamic Era scribes and prophets. If you even look at the place names the fact simply do NOT line up(think Kamal Salibi).



And so we end up back with our room full of toddlers whispering in one another's ear, but adding a few words of their own with each turn. It's anything but a recipe for accuracy.

I've already said I'm not a person of faith, but if their is a god, he has given me some kind of common sense. And that common sense makes it pretty clear to me that the Bible has little to with God, but it is still a fascinating read.

The problem with so called "prophesies" is that they like to supersede "Freedom of choice"(as something written in stone!) And God just doesn't work that way!!!

Your Scriptures are Tampered with by the Pharisees, my friend.........and the sooner you learn that, the sooner you can get on with your personal communication with God.....and NOT a quote from a book! IMHO

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My personal choice has been to adhere to the scriptures. If you don't want to that's OK with me. I'll stick with what has worked for me.

I think that my rejection of current religious movements has enabled me to be a better wife, mother, and neighbor in the here and now, as I don't waste time with things I cannot know.



Agreed. But they do make for interesting reading. Also, knowing the bible as well as I do has made it easier for me to understand the traditions of my family. I can go along to get along, because I have some idea of where they are coming from, whether or not I sare their beliefs.

IF you consider, HEBREW SCHOLARS and the painstaking translations -- as toddlers, uh....well... seems to point to an overcompensation and rationalization on your part in order to remove your own faith..... kind of an internal headfake...

And knowing those scriptures has made me able to even have conversations with people like you, so it's not all bad, now is it?

On my bookshelves, you'll find a Bible, A Qu'ran, the Red book, and Mein Kampf. I have a desire to KNOW, even if I do not share the beliefs.

The weight comes from the carrier, not from the load.
The history comes from continual pushing that book of man.
The experience comes from within, and not a religion/book/church are needed in the least.
Documentation from man does not merit fact even in today's world.

What I am conveying is at this TIME there are no correct religions/books/churches to follow as all are blinded and not of GOD.

Should come from within.

If you like reading about religious people, Saul, aka Paul was a warrior/killer/& one of the most powerful weapons for or against,....

Suggestion for your collection- of books..

[link to books.google.com]

I usually avoid deep discussions on here and limit myself to one on one's where people know me. I have no problem with knowledge or the people who seek it.

In the end the truth wins whatever it is. I believe what I believe and usually reserve 'advice' to those who ask me for it. Live and let live.

Hardly an overcompensation if you are talking about man and god, though, is it? Are we not commonly called his children?

Have you studied the writing of these Hebrew Scholars? I know I haven't (don't read Hebrew). Even if I did, I cannot know that their writing is accurate, as none of those writers spoke to god, did they?

Like I said, I am a skeptic. A semi-knowledgeable one, maybe, but in the end, I am just not given over to that kind of faith. How pompous would I be to believe I knew the actual word of god, having never interacted with that god.

I encourage ALL to read the bible(buy-bull).......especially if you want to know what the Adversary has in store for you: For it contains Lucifer's blue-print for Armageddon!!! :(

If you like reading, try cross ref any and all religions back to the Sumerian scrolls. I'm not saying they all are wrong, they make a close guideline to try to build a productive society as man is barbaric at best.
I'm also not saying they are right in the facts they say they hold, as many of those same stories appear in the Sumerian texts.
I believe Babsi even posted a link to some online reading from those old scrolls and said to be in Annunaki language(wait does that name come from the old testament or from the race 7K ago predating the Bible).

Interesting. Tell me more about Troward.

Most all of your so-called "scholars", as well as Historians, ARE under Zionist Pharisee control!! :(

its 2010 A.D. = ANNO DOMINI (in the year of our lord)
So i guess we throw that out?

I guess all of the churches across the U.S and World that contribute to the civility of society should all have a re-write...

I guess the good Supreme court judge..:

Supreme Court justice Joseph Story wrote, "At the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and of the amendment to it, now under consideration (the First Amendment), the general, if not the universal, sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the Sate...An attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference, would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation." ( A Familiar Exposition of the Constitution of the United States. 1854, p. 259-261).

They understood the many valuable contributions churches make to the welfare and stability of our nation.

* The church provides moral instruction to those under her influence. Without a basic foundation of morality no individual can be a good and productive citizen. With it they can be model citizens.

* The church provides moral reinforcement to society by teaching her people to obey every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake (I Pet. 2:13).

* By her teaching of personal responsibility and accountability, the church provide prior restraint to those under her influence. The laws of the government seek to control behavior by threatening punishment for the transgression. Christians are taught to restrain themselves and live law-abiding lives. "That law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and unruly..." (I Tim. 1:9). Thus while Christian contribute much to their government, their lifestyle requires very little from the government in return.

I guess the salvation army..the millions of HOSPICE workers...across the country...the comfort to a dying soul of eternal life...

....the ability to forgive other based upon the example set...

and the psychological aspect to the sermon on the mount to a more civil way of living....

The Beatitudes

1And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him. 2Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:

3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Believers Are Salt and Light
13 "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men.
14"You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify you


i guess the expression-- RESIST NOT EVIL and its import..expounded upon by Leo tolstoy:

Matthew 5:39, “Resist not an evil person,” was the pinnacle of Jesus’ teachings to Tolstoy. He believed in “Christianity not as a mystic religion but as a new theory of life” (the subtitle of the book). Jesus ushered in the new divine theory of life, which “recognizes life not in his own individuality, and not in societies of individualities, but in the eternal undying source of life – in God; and to fulfill the will of God he is ready to sacrifice his individual and family and social welfare.” The Christian life, to him, was a progression toward divine perfection, and this life is characterized by loving others. This love drives us not only to love those that love us, but also to love our enemies even to the point of practicing strict pacifism towards aggression. He reasons that there is no other way to interpret Jesus, and to act otherwise is completely counter to the Gospel message.

Tolstoy would say the church as an institution has perverted this message of non-resistance, even deliberately hiding this message of Jesus from Christians. He saw the Russian church in an especially negative light, but showed that throughout history the church had suppressed this ethic. Why? Because of the love of power. The state church always held a privileged position, and church officials always preferred to keep their status rather than tell the truth. The ramifications of this practice were clear to Tolstoy; he declared the wars and oppression by the state as a direct result of the church’s refusal to practice the message of Jesus as a new way of life. The only solution is to return to Jesus’ teaching, believe in it wholeheartedly, and practice it consistently with no reservation.

I could go on but the REDSKINS ARE WINNING...

You should take up after your GRANDFATHER OP.... preach the word...

i just sent you his greatest work!! you can read the entire thing online..highly suggest...

Can you guys comment here? [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] I feel its kind of related possibly.

Ok, boys, let me ask you this. It's pretty obvious that there have been human beings jacking with scripture for some time (can we all agree there?), whether you believe it's "divinely inspired" or "book of fairy tales."

Why does it always seem to me that the lovers of sunshine and hugglefucks are kind of easy going when it comes to scripture, and the uptight condemners of everyone who is not a reflection of themselves are very hung up on their particular version of "the truth"? This seems particualrly true when it comes to the Abrahamic religions- Eastern philosophies seem to be somewhat different in that regard.