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Calculating Magnetic 'Pole Shift' - DIY

 
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I have, over the last few days, been monitoring (with the use of a compass) magnetic north.

I must say rather unscientifically as the fog here is so bad I can not get an accurate 'True north' position as I can not see Polaris (pole star).

I did notice some variation yesterday during the 'solar battering' we took - monitored on this thread:
Thread: Pole FLIP happening right now! LOOK!


The variation seemed to be a temporary move of magnetic north toward the west by a degree - but this could easily have been an error as (due to weather) I could not 'lock on' to 'true north'.

The weather here still sucks and one persons observations would be worthless anyway so I decided to post this!


Most people will be aware that 'Magnetic North' is slightly different to 'True North' - some will know that this 'declination' varies due to location - and a few will know that Magnetic Declination also varies over time.

How to calculate what your Magnetic Declination should be:

First of all you need to know your Geographical position.
This link allows you to enter your town and then gives your co-ordinates:
[link to www.getty.edu]


Write those co-ordinates down (Noting N/W or S/E) then go to this link and type them in:
[link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]

Click - Compute Declination:
You will then see the value of your declination + the rate at which 'drift' occurs (usually a handful of 'minutes' per year)


Take your compass:
You can now set up your compass.
Move the N of the compass face and twist it so that it is 'your declination' (East or West as appropriate) from the centre of the compass body.

Find True North:
With a clear sky locate Polaris (The North Star) and point the compass body (not the needle) at Polaris and then lower carefully to the horizon in order to have the compass horizontal pointing 'true north'.
Find Polaris: [link to www.survivaltopics.com]


At this stage the needle should be pointing toward the N on the bezel/compass face that you set to your declination.

If it is, then breath easy - if you do not move the bezel again you can check each day/two just by pointing the compass body at Polaris (as above)

If not - work out how many degrees (calibrations around the compass bezel/face) out and in which direction (E/W) - and please post anomalies here - noting you location.

I wish I could tell you if my 'supposed' declination is the 'actual' declination but it's a 'pea-souper' here!


This could get interesting if we get several corroborating anomalies from different global locations!

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a waste of time
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Not DOOM in and of itself...

But if we see variations - even over time...

DOOM on!?

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a waste of time
 Quoting: Tsukiko

Don't do it then.

I guess you believe there would be no anomalies - if so a few worried people my be able to chill!

If there are, then some may 'up' their preparations!

For anyone interested or concerned I hope this will help!

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Actually, Polaris is 3/4 of a degree from the NCP, so it's only "true north" at two times each day. This is used by surveyors to calibrate true north. There are tables of these times available.
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Actually, Polaris is 3/4 of a degree from the NCP, so it's only "true north" at two times each day. This is used by surveyors to calibrate true north. There are tables of these times available.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880

True but I'm not expecting the average GLPer with a hand held compass to calculate anomalous declinations to within a few arc minutes - so 3/4 of a degree aught to be close enough.

The true test will come over time with individuals taking repeated observations from their locations.

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Actually, Polaris is 3/4 of a degree from the NCP, so it's only "true north" at two times each day. This is used by surveyors to calibrate true north. There are tables of these times available.

True but I'm not expecting the average GLPer with a hand held compass to calculate anomalous declinations to within a few arc minutes - so 3/4 of a degree aught to be close enough.

The true test will come over time with individuals taking repeated observations from their locations.

hf
 Quoting: Munchaab


You're claiming to be able to judge your compass to within one degree, so a 3/4 degree error in your establishment of true north is very significant.
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And repeated measurements can show variation due to nearby power lines, passing vehicles, etc. Trying to measure a compass to one degree accuracy is very unreliable.
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And repeated measurements can show variation due to nearby power lines, passing vehicles, etc. Trying to measure a compass to one degree accuracy is very unreliable.
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So your method would be?
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I'm not actually suggesting that this can be calculated to within a degree...

But if several degrees are out - Interesting
If following further tests over hours/days/weeks...
The variation from 'supposed' declination increases - Very Interesting

If the trend continues - Pole Shift?!

We are in interesting times and a lot of our information comes from corrupt sources...

What can it hurt to look for yourself?

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Interesting!
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Interesting!
 Quoting: Karu

Thanks - I hope you (and others) find it useful!
hf


Do you have a compass?
Thinking of checking it out?
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I (personally) don't suppose we will find any anomalies yet - but the scientists say the pole reversal is imminent...

They do not know if it will start slow and then 'flip' or what will happen...

But it would be interesting to be one of those who monitor the shift - with this simple method!

Especially as there is some speculation of severe quakes and/or crustal shift to follow!

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Magnetic pole reversals happen over long periods of time...well over that of a human lifetime.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.pbs.org]

[link to www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk]
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Magnetic pole reversals happen over long periods of time...well over that of a human lifetime.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.pbs.org]

[link to www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880

Well duuh!

Of course they do..

And...

Neutrinos pass from the sun without effecting ANY matter...

And...

Constants such as Nuclear decay elements C-14 etc cannot change their decay rate...

And...


Ohh yeah "Times (and science) they are a changin'"

hf

The text books are being re-written + I used to be a lecturer - please do NOT quote evidence with a link from wikipedia! - or wrongipedia as I used to refer to it to my students!

I am not 'flaming' on you by the way - you are looking for the truth too...

But trust your judgement a little more and encyclopaedia written by "anyone" less!

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But trust your judgement a little more and encyclopaedia written by "anyone" less!

hf
 Quoting: Munchaab



It sounds like you're proposing that there will be a fast reversal.

Put it this way...has there ever been a magnetic reversal in all of written history? What does the evidence in the magnetic morain reversals in the geological record say was the length of the last few?

"Judgement" is worthless unless you have some evidence to back it up.
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But trust your judgement a little more and encyclopaedia written by "anyone" less!

hf



It sounds like you're proposing that there will be a fast reversal.

Put it this way...has there ever been a magnetic reversal in all of written history? What does the evidence in the magnetic morain reversals in the geological record say was the length of the last few?

"Judgement" is worthless unless you have some evidence to back it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880

I'm not proposing (in the thread) anything of the sort...

It could be slow it could be quick - see what NASA etc have to say - I am not qualified to submit anything other than supposition!

I suppose that WE may be able to watch this happen with a compass - that is all...

I do not suppose it has started...
I do not suppose it will not happen...

I simply wanted to state how to watch

it if it does occur!

Has there been a magnetic reversal in history? - YES!
Written history? - you are summing up 4.5 billion years to written history?

There is plenty of evidence (geological) to show this has happened before!
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Agreed, yes the evidence certainly shows that the earth's magnetic field periodically reverses. But it has never happened in written history and all the evidence shows that it occurs over many thousands of years. So I don't see what you're claiming we could observe with a compass.
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More evidence:

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Not DOOM in and of itself...

But if we see variations - even over time...

DOOM on!?

1dunno1
 Quoting: Munchaab

Variations will be seen over time because there are variations in these measurements on a regular basis...
Earth wobble...
wandering poles...
All quite normal...
It's a 180 that we have to worry about.
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Not DOOM in and of itself...

But if we see variations - even over time...

DOOM on!?

1dunno1

Variations will be seen over time because there are variations in these measurements on a regular basis...
Earth wobble...
wandering poles...
All quite normal...
It's a 180 that we have to worry about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1086028

Of course, if the sun rises in the West and sets in the East, I don't think we'd need your experiment to figure out that something serious had happened.
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Not DOOM in and of itself...

But if we see variations - even over time...

DOOM on!?

1dunno1

Variations will be seen over time because there are variations in these measurements on a regular basis...
Earth wobble...
wandering poles...
All quite normal...
It's a 180 that we have to worry about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1086028

The scientists seem to think this is possible by the next solar max - 2012 - when we know the Sun's polarity will swap!
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We don't (as of yet) have a compass in the house, but last night we wanted to see what all the hullabulloo was about with the wild compass readings, and so my roomie (GLP member gogousurper) made a homemade compass. Magnetic north did appear to be off.

Hopefully by this weekend we might have one, if they're not too expensive, and I would be happy to monitor it from my position in CO, and then report back here. It's the kind of thing gogo would like to do also, I'm pretty sure.

Lol, two Stellium Scorpios...we're bound to love an experiment regarding a cosmic mystery!


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We don't (as of yet) have a compass in the house, but last night we wanted to see what all the hullabulloo was about with the wild compass readings, and so my roomie (GLP member gogousurper) made a homemade compass. Magnetic north did appear to be off.

Hopefully by this weekend we might have one, if they're not too expensive, and I would be happy to monitor it from my position in CO, and then report back here. It's the kind of thing gogo would like to do also, I'm pretty sure.

Lol, two Stellium Scorpios...we're bound to love an experiment regarding a cosmic mystery!


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 Quoting: Psemeni

lol
I'm not sure about the Scorpio reference - I'm Aquarian and all I know about that is my Mum always saying (Dad too was Aquarius) "never tell an Aquarian what they already know" - I get well p'ed off when people repeat themselves to me!
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Anyhoos - compass - you can do this with a fairly cheap compass - mine is showing near 7-10 degrees from what it should be but I still can't be sure due to clouds.

The other day it seemed to drift 20 degrees for about an hour or so but I could have put my pc too close!?

This is unlikely to go from N/S to S/N fast - we should be able to monitor at least the first few weeks of 'shift'


Nice to know there are like minded peeps about - and your roomie is likewise for you!

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