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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1210065 United States 01/10/2011 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Comex manipulation. The precious metal markets are intentionally manipulated to keep the price low. A series of attacks on the PM's market occured and were reported on by a whistleblower. Proof of this manipulation was brought before regulators and they have ignored it and not investigated. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1210065 United States 01/10/2011 12:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The withdrawl of physical silver from the comex and bank vaults is a warning of a potential run on the metals. "The COMEX gold & silver markets are each hurtling down a dangerous path toward default. The artificial paper price has created enormous physical demand, and hampered supply production, if not delivery. The gap between the JPMorgan-led corrupted phony paper price and the legitimate physical price in actual trading markets has grown sharply, enough to force a breakdown like in any distorted market. When December contracts in gold & silver are demanded to be satisfied via delivery of the metal, it will be clear that the COMEX is running a scam. A default is highly likely. Of course, they can continue to deny contract holders the right to benefit from delivery, as they have been doing for months to ‘Non-Economic Customers' but soon the ‘Commercial Customers' will be defrauded. Arrests are warranted. We will see how this corruption unfolds." [link to www.marketoracle.co.uk] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 961432 United States 01/10/2011 12:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It looks like some big money has realized that by demanding physical metal they can force the banks short to pay them a high premium for lack of metal, like around 20% minimum over spot trading. Pretty nice profit, invest a $billion, make $200 million in profit in just over 4 weeks. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1134695 United States 01/10/2011 12:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks OP for this new info. Should be interesting to watch what happens. Last week the puppet masters were in your face we are screwing you, we know you know, you know we know, so what are you gonna do about it. Guess we will see. Side note: Crude is soaring. UP about $1.50 and pushing $90.this is critical to the short-term success of our PMs so keep an eye on it. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1210065 United States 01/10/2011 12:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks OP for this new info. Should be interesting to watch what happens. Last week the puppet masters were in your face we are screwing you, we know you know, you know we know, so what are you gonna do about it. Guess we will see. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1134695Side note: Crude is soaring. UP about $1.50 and pushing $90.this is critical to the short-term success of our PMs so keep an eye on it. Crude is going to increase next week along with prices at the pump. They had to shut down the Alaskan pipeline so this is going to increase the cost at the pump. Thread: Breaking >>Alaska pipeline shutdown from leak-- gas prices are going to rise |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1134695 United States 01/10/2011 01:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Na, dont waste your bullets on the can. Just use your handy dandy ol fashion can opener. For anyone that says they dont have enough money to buy silver, if you save your money from eating out, coffee trips or any frivolous things we buy for a month, it would be enough to buy 10 silver eagles. Do the math. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1210065 United States 01/10/2011 01:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would buy an ounce or two a month as a savings plan. Back when it was $5.00 an ounce this was easy. Lately haven't been doing it since it has gone up so high. If the COMEX crashes or defaults on silver delivery, and/or there is a run on physical the price will skyrocket. So maybe I'll stop at the coin store this week, if they have any left. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1210065 United States 01/10/2011 01:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The COMEX paper-traded precious metal ETFs is a scam. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1224309All paper is a scam. US ready to bump debt limit another $1.5 trillion, good for one more year... maybe. Last I heard the new repub. congress was threatening to not raise the debt. ceiling. If they don't the US will default on its debt. Secretary of the Treasury Geithner wrote a letter to congress about it. Wrote a thread about it: Thread: >>Treasury Secretary Geithner admits US will default on its debt unless debt increased |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 961432 United States 01/10/2011 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Na, dont waste your bullets on the can. Just use your handy dandy ol fashion can opener. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1134695For anyone that says they dont have enough money to buy silver, if you save your money from eating out, coffee trips or any frivolous things we buy for a month, it would be enough to buy 10 silver eagles. Do the math. Or rolls of nickels or pre 1983 pennies. Nickels have $.07 of melt metal in them at current silver prices. If silver were to go to it's inflation adjusted high of around $120 per ounce, then nickels would have almost $0.25 of melt metal in them. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 961432 United States 01/10/2011 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, naturally the price drops, lol. Quoting: GirlGeniusThe quoted price you see on the markets is in the futures or papers markets and includes a 5,000 ounce lot of silver. 1 futures contract represents 5,000 ounces. The big banks like JP Morgue can issue as many paper or futures contracts as they want without any regard for actual physical metal they have in the bullion banks, that means they are "short". If all the contracts they have sold were to want delivery of the physical metal at the end of the contract, instead of a cash settlement or rolling that contract out into the future, and the bank did not have the metal in storage then the bank would have to settle at a higher price than the spot price on the day the contract expired. This means they flood the future's markets with paper claims hoping to drive the spot price down, if the spot price is lower they can always go out into the market to obtain metal at lower prices. The game only ends when people demand their physical metal. |
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User ID: 1133676 United States 01/10/2011 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, naturally the price drops, lol. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432The quoted price you see on the markets is in the futures or papers markets and includes a 5,000 ounce lot of silver. 1 futures contract represents 5,000 ounces. The big banks like JP Morgue can issue as many paper or futures contracts as they want without any regard for actual physical metal they have in the bullion banks, that means they are "short". If all the contracts they have sold were to want delivery of the physical metal at the end of the contract, instead of a cash settlement or rolling that contract out into the future, and the bank did not have the metal in storage then the bank would have to settle at a higher price than the spot price on the day the contract expired. This means they flood the future's markets with paper claims hoping to drive the spot price down, if the spot price is lower they can always go out into the market to obtain metal at lower prices. The game only ends when people demand their physical metal. Yes, I know that but thanks. I am a silver bug - I laugh at the manipulation because it will not be able to continue much longer :) For nothing is secret that will not be revealed… |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1222835 United States 01/10/2011 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or rolls of nickels or pre 1983 pennies. Nickels have $.07 of melt metal in them at current silver prices. If silver were to go to it's inflation adjusted high of around $120 per ounce, then nickels would have almost $0.25 of melt metal in them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432This is the truth of JFK, lawful money. [link to www.investopedia.com] You have the power to crash the fed in your pocket and on your dresser, why then don't you? Free will got you here, will it save you? A lawful man would demand lawful money in all transactions, only crooks and cheats would seek otherwise. When its done, paper is paper, fit for a fire, metal is metal, fit for a sword. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1210065 United States 01/11/2011 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, we already knew this, does this mean actual COMEX collapse coming soon? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1011642If the COMEX cannot deliver on its paper silver it will cause a real problem. It would be like a bank not being able to provide funds for customers who want to withdraw their deposits. But as you know, they would stop trading, or close the exchange until they could come up with the physical inventory. Probably make up some reason for doing it to not alarm the public. Kinda like the flash crash of the stock market a few months ago. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1210065 United States 01/11/2011 12:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | UPDATES 1-10-11 (Bloomberg) India May Pay for Iran Oil With Gold, Economic Times Says India may use gold to settle payments for crude oil from Iran until the countries agree on a currency and a bank to clear the transactions, the Economic Times newspaper said, citing an Indian government official it didn’t identify. (Bloomberg) LGT Raises Palladium, Platinum, Silver Forecasts for This Year (Bloomberg) Silver is `common man's gold' in India as bullion expensive The metal is still 48 times cheaper than gold per ounce. Demand for silver in India, where imports of the metal surged more than sixfold in the first half of 2010, is increasing as investors seek an alternative to higher-priced gold, according to a trader. “It is increasing day by day,” Ketan Shroff, Managing Director of Pushpak Bullions Pvt, said in a phone interview. Demand probably climbed at least 20% to 30% in the past six months, he said. Silver futures in New York reached a three-decade high of $31.275 an ounce on Jan. 3, after rallying 84% in 2010. The metal is still 48 times cheaper than gold per ounce, data on the Bloomberg show. Gold for immediate delivery reached a record $1,431.25 an ounce on Dec. 7. “People are accumulating silver since gold is getting unaffordable to the common man,” Shroff said in an interview on Jan. 7. Silver “has become the common man’s gold.” |