***POLL request**** Should Tucson shooter Loughner get the death penalty? | |
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Smilin' Irish Eyes
(OP) User ID: 656642 United States 01/14/2011 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Batshit Insane. Quoting: Unbias-TruthseekerThrow him in for life. So, the taxpayers should pay for him to live in prison for the rest of his life? Most likely he will not be tried in Arizona and most likely not incarcerated in Arizona either. All the Arizona judges of recused themselves because of Judge Roll being one of the victims. Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it - thou art a fool. -- Lord Chesterfield |
Rev-bo
User ID: 538751 United States 01/14/2011 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't they still have a more dramatic method of execution than lethal injection available in Arizona? Like a firing squad or hanging? Maybe the feds should let the state have this one. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1013442 United States 01/14/2011 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i voted no because JLL is either a nutjob or he was MK Ultra'd Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1168610Why do we need more nut jobs in this world? MK ultraed? Either way he is useless and a menace to society. Why feed him? All criminaly insane should be euthanized. Why should we torture ourselves warehousing them? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1113629 United States 01/14/2011 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, the taxpayers should pay for him to live in prison for the rest of his life? Quoting: Smilin' Irish EyesMost likely he will not be tried in Arizona and most likely not incarcerated in Arizona either. All the Arizona judges of recused themselves because of Judge Roll being one of the victims. So we should kill all of the Mentiley insane? I think someone else had that policy. He sported a stylish mustache. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1113629 United States 01/14/2011 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All criminaly insane should be euthanized. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1013442Why should we torture ourselves warehousing them? Why don't we kill the old an sickly why we are at it too? Screw it lets teat every broken finger with a overdose of Morphine. |
Smilin' Irish Eyes
(OP) User ID: 656642 United States 01/14/2011 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, the taxpayers should pay for him to live in prison for the rest of his life? Quoting: Unbias-TruthseekerMost likely he will not be tried in Arizona and most likely not incarcerated in Arizona either. All the Arizona judges of recused themselves because of Judge Roll being one of the victims. So we should kill all of the Mentiley insane? I think someone else had that policy. He sported a stylish mustache. What does keeping them alive for years accomplish? If someone is physically violent and mentally insane why would you "torture" them by keeping them alive? Do you want to run experiments on them like the same guy you are alluding to? If a person has killed another in cold blood and it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they did it in cold blood what does keeping such a low life alive at the taxpayer's expense accomplish? What sort of message does it send to others who may be contemplating doing the same acts? Oh, it will be ok, now I'll get free room and board for the rest of my life or I'll plead insanity and stay in a mental ward instead of prison for the rest of my life. Name me one person who has murdered someone in cold blood that "turned their life around" and became an upstanding citizen. Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it - thou art a fool. -- Lord Chesterfield |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1229636 United States 01/14/2011 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before anyone even thinks of executing him, I'd like to see some genuine evidence that he's actually guilty. Oh, and a pardon for Lee Oswald wouldn't go amiss either. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 365611Yeah okay. Let's put the Hang'in Rope back in the closet for a bit until we find out if he's actually guilty. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1113629 United States 01/14/2011 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a person has killed another in cold blood and it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they did it in cold blood what does keeping such a low life alive at the taxpayer's expense accomplish? Quoting: Smilin' Irish EyesWhat sort of message does it send to others who may be contemplating doing the same acts? Oh, it will be ok, now I'll get free room and board for the rest of my life or I'll plead insanity and stay in a mental ward instead of prison for the rest of my life. Your talking under the assumption that he did this with a sane mind. If you contemplate than you are not crazy. He is a threat to society and should be locked up, is their not enough evidence that he is insane? I agree that we should kill those who murder in cold blood but only if they are not crazy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1180899 United States 01/14/2011 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I said no, because I think that he gave signs to various people that he was not right, LONG before the shooting. Someone should have had him committed voluntarily or involuntarily and put him on some medication. Two kinds of people lose it. Those who are aware they have lost it, and seek help, counseling and medication. And those who are unaware that their thought process has deviated from normal, and from watching some videos on MSNBC it sounds like he was unaware that his thought process had deviated from normal. If that weren't so, I would say death penalty without a doubt. It sounds a lot like he had a schizophrenic break from reality. ie. I don't think he was in control of his own thoughts or actions as a result of his screwed up mental process. Makes me wonder if he was trying acid or other drugs which so many youth think are harmless but can seriously alter brain chemistry. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 956360 United Kingdom 01/14/2011 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had to say no because in spite of what he did, the guy is clearly seriously mentally ill ie paranoid schitzophrenic & probably more. Take a look at the wiki entry for schitzophrenia: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Loughners personality is outlined perfectly in the first paragraph. We don't execute the mentally ill, last people that did that were the Nazis. |
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Koo Koo Ka Choo User ID: 839765 United States 01/14/2011 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i voted no because JLL is either a nutjob or he was MK Ultra'd Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1168610Agreed. George Orwell was right..Black is White, Up is Down, War is Peace... "Never believe anything until it has been officially denied." Yesterday is history.......Tomorrow a mystery.......Today is a gift......thats why we call it the Present!!! |
Gym Nasium
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 661596 Netherlands 01/14/2011 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one in that world have the right to kill someone. Those who wish the dead of that guy are like him. They are killer. Just let him remember what he did. When he realise it, he will kill himself. In is time. Quoting: maryjane of earth 1028241I agree.... |
Smilin' Irish Eyes
(OP) User ID: 656642 United States 01/14/2011 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I said no, because I think that he gave signs to various people that he was not right, LONG before the shooting. Quoting: Profit 6Someone should have had him committed voluntarily or involuntarily and put him on some medication. Two kinds of people lose it. Those who are aware they have lost it, and seek help, counseling and medication. And those who are unaware that their thought process has deviated from normal, and from watching some videos on MSNBC it sounds like he was unaware that his thought process had deviated from normal. If that weren't so, I would say death penalty without a doubt. It sounds a lot like he had a schizophrenic break from reality. ie. I don't think he was in control of his own thoughts or actions as a result of his screwed up mental process. Makes me wonder if he was trying acid or other drugs which so many youth think are harmless but can seriously alter brain chemistry. But honestly to what purpose is there in keeping him locked up in either a mental hospital or a prison for the rest of his life? Will he be able to work a chain gang or is there another means where he would be able to pay for his room and board at either facility? He should not be released back into society unless there would be a permanent way to ensure that he would not be a danger to others. What would that permanent way be? Would people be opposed to that in the same way as they are the death penalty? I agree with this poster: So you either pay money to the corrupt government, who squanders it, and keeps this guy out of the society forever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1221530Or you put him down like a sick dog. What a choice we get huh? What choices do we have to deter others who are mentally ill from committing violence against others? I wish I knew, all I see is that the prisons are overcrowded, there are repeat offenders and when prisoners are released many of them are more violent than when they were first sentenced. Should a prison reform be done where first time offenders of non-violent crimes are separated from from violent offenders? Should meaningful skills be taught and should there be a prison work release program/company that will hire prisoners to get work experience? Should it be a three strikes you're out? What is the point in jailing someone for more than 10 or 20 years? What will they be like when they are released? Think about, if you have a routine that you have done for 10 or 20+ years and all of sudden you no longer have that routine what do you do? I keep thinking of the ending of Shawshank Redemption where the guy that was released started to seriously think about committing a crime just so he could go back to prison. So really what is the deterrence in sending a repeat offender to prison? What purpose do it really serve? Is there a way that the prisoners can do chain gang type work to help offset the expense of housing them? Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it - thou art a fool. -- Lord Chesterfield |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1180899 United States 01/14/2011 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What choices do we have to deter others who are mentally ill from committing violence against others? Quoting: Smilin' Irish EyesDeterrent? You can't deter the mentally ill. You simply have to identify them and treat them. It sounds like someone had already talked to his parents about his mental state. It sounds like they didn't realize the gravity of the situation and give him an option to be committed voluntarily or they would commit him involuntarily. I think medication could have prevented this tragic loss of life. I think this was a failure to treat, and normally I am very condemning of murderers. Most of the time I say "death penalty". So, for me to suggest otherwise is unusual. I mean the kid went from being a great person to a psychopath in less than a year. Something changed. Drug use can do that. I was watching a guy on MSNBC and he was suggesting the criteria for involuntary commitment should change. He said that the person had to represent an imminent threat to himself or others, and that was shady. I think his idea that if they didn't understand why they needed treatment that should be grounds for an involuntary commitment. It was interesting that some people gave him letters of reprimand for his behavior. Because the same thing happened to a guy I worked with in the Coast Guard a few months before he had to be admitted to the mental hospital. This is a good sign that something is not right with that person. If it is unusual for them to be disruptive or fail to meet their obligations. Like for instance one of the things I remember about my Coast Guard buddy was that he had failed to return a movie to the rental place for over a week. Totally not like him. We need to be able to better identify those in need of help and get the rules for involuntary commitment changed. |
Smilin' Irish Eyes
(OP) User ID: 656642 United States 01/14/2011 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What choices do we have to deter others who are mentally ill from committing violence against others? Quoting: Profit 6Deterrent? You can't deter the mentally ill. You simply have to identify them and treat them. It sounds like someone had already talked to his parents about his mental state. It sounds like they didn't realize the gravity of the situation and give him an option to be committed voluntarily or they would commit him involuntarily. I think medication could have prevented this tragic loss of life. I think this was a failure to treat, and normally I am very condemning of murderers. Most of the time I say "death penalty". So, for me to suggest otherwise is unusual. I mean the kid went from being a great person to a psychopath in less than a year. Something changed. Drug use can do that. I was watching a guy on MSNBC and he was suggesting the criteria for involuntary commitment should change. He said that the person had to represent an imminent threat to himself or others, and that was shady. I think his idea that if they didn't understand why they needed treatment that should be grounds for an involuntary commitment. It was interesting that some people gave him letters of reprimand for his behavior. Because the same thing happened to a guy I worked with in the Coast Guard a few months before he had to be admitted to the mental hospital. This is a good sign that something is not right with that person. If it is unusual for them to be disruptive or fail to meet their obligations. Like for instance one of the things I remember about my Coast Guard buddy was that he had failed to return a movie to the rental place for over a week. Totally not like him. We need to be able to better identify those in need of help and get the rules for involuntary commitment changed. I guess I am looking at this as someone whose ex-BIL was diagnosed as manic-depressive/schizophrenic whose own mother and sister had him involuntarily committed because he posed a danger to my sister and their daughters. He was non-compliant with his meds, was discharged after the mandated 72 hours and a month later tried to kill my sister. He is still free to roam about the country, there is a restraining order (ooooo, that will really help /sarcasm). Sorry, I really don't have much faith in our mental health system to keep violent mentally ill people locked away or compliant with taking their medication. I worry if I don't hear from my sister at least once a week. So all the warning signs don't mean diddly if our mental health systems release violent mentally ill people. Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it - thou art a fool. -- Lord Chesterfield |