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Jesus calls her..."the Woman adorned with the sun"....rebuttal to the demonic anti-mary threads

 
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Jesus calls her..."the Woman adorned with the sun"....rebuttal to the demonic anti-mary threads
Vassula Ryden is a messenger who hears much about the
reunification of the lost sheep, the Protestants and Eastern
rite returning home to the RCC. God's plan...it's going to
happen...actually for all the world. Our Lord's prayer to the Father is going to be granted finally and in our time.


This is so beautiful, Jesus speaks of His mother...you will like it.

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The Woman Adorned With The Sun

March 20, 1996

(This message was received from March 20-26, 1996. The Annunciation was on March 25, 1996.)

I am your servant and I am here to serve You.
Majesty, without You I am nothing.
Pure contentment of my soul,
I am listening.

My beloved, come and learn: who has exalted Me most? I will tell you who exalted Me most: the New Eve has; yes! the Woman adorned with the sun, standing on the moon, with the twelve stars on Her Head for a crown; 1 for I who made heaven and all that is in it, and earth and all it bears and the sea and all it holds2 have placed Her above all these things; 3

the Queen of heaven is always in the presence of the Most High's throne; no less than the height of heaven over earth is the greatness of Her Name; Her Name, wrapped in a robe of light; let the whole world bend their knee to Her who bears the Sacred Name:

Mother of God;

in her Immaculate womb She glorified Me by receiving Me, the unblemished Lamb, making a sanctuary for the Sanctuary; come and sing a new song in Her honour, let all who live on earth revere Her Immaculate Heart, the Altar in which I was conceived and became God-Man too; 4 no one glorified Me as much as the Woman adorned with the sun;

yes! She is so superbly beautiful in Her perfect Love that the islands the mountains, the hills, the valleys and the springs all bow low when She passes by them; and today as yesterday, when Most Fair Love passes over the earth, escorted by My Angels whose eyes never cease admiring the Admirable, Holiest of all Virgins, marvelling at the Beauty of My Father's Masterpiece, when She passes over the earth, She lovingly intervenes, and answers your entreaties;

let Me tell you: My Sacred Heart is your heaven; creation, My Sacred Heart, that so many of you deny and refuse, is your Heaven; your Paradise, your Kingdom; your Inheritance, your Place-of-Rest for Eternity; so approach this Heart that loves you so and I will pour out, from My Heart, in your heart countless blessings, to turn your soul as fair as springtime, to turn your soul into an ivory tower, a heaven for Myself alone; how can anyone doubt of My Love? ah, beloved, every time you doubt of My Love, the sun darkens in My distress ....

today, I want to display, in My great Love, the Heart of My Mother, 5

6 "O Masterpiece of My Father! O Sublime Masterpiece of Yahweh! Spouse to My Holy Spirit! My Radiant Tabernacle! Your Heart, Beloved of the Beloved, 7 is One with Ours! Your Heart is My enclosed garden, a sealed fountain; your Heart is a Fountain that makes the gardens fertile; your Heart, Adorable One, is My Throne, on which I have been honoured; Heart of the Heart, whom I crowned in Our presence and in the presence of all My celestial court, 8 how can any of My creatures deny Your Heart? 9 You, the Ark of power, all vested in virtues, My New Song, 10 My Harp, My Citadel, in whom the Maker of heaven and earth is ravished by Your magnificence, You who stand in Our Presence, stand ever so close to all who invoke You; yet, how has man fallen so low and taken a deceptive path to deny Your Heart?"

have you not heard, creation, that I am the Heart of Her Heart? the Soul of Her Soul, the Spirit of Her Spirit? have you not heard that Our Two Hearts are united in One? consider My Redemptive Heart, consider Her Co-Redemptive Heart, consider the Delight of My Heart, rising like the dawn to brighten the earth in its darkness, consider the Queen's Heart that shines on mankind brighter in Her radiance than all the constellations put together; more resplendent than the sun; radiant as My Glory because of Her unique perfection; consider the Tabernacle of your God; consider and esteem highly as I esteem My Throne;

do not ask: "how could it be that the Most High has assigned Her such a high throne in His Celestial Courts?" look, not only have I assigned Her as the Queen of My Angels and My creatures but I have assigned Her to be My Throne; the Queen of heaven and earth is the Throne of the King of kings, for I, the Lord of All, have placed Her as first in My Sacred Heart;

born to be My Crown of Splendour, born to be the Vessel of the True Light who was made flesh from David's line, born to be My honour and My boast, the Spirit with Me and the Father said:

"Mary full of grace, We are with you; We will hide none of the secrets from You, Our Breath will be your breath, pure emanation of Our Glory, Mary, Our image of Our Goodness, We give you Our Peace in Your Heart; in this perfect Heart I, the Son, shall triumph; Our Heart will be Your Heart, a burning furnace of divine love; Our Soul will be Your Soul, 11 an august treasure, a Paradise for Us; Our Spirit will be Your Spirit; yes, for anyone who is joined to Us is one spirit with Us;"

this is the One whom We so highly favoured, the One whom so many reject and yet is the ointment of your eyes, the balm to your wounds, the merciful plea to the Eternal Father for your pleas; the intercessor and your advocate of your soul;

feeble man .... the Spouse of My Holy Spirit is the Temple of the Temple, the promised land of the weak and the wretched, the reflection of My eternal Light; the consoler of Your Consoler is the comfort of your sorrows .... what has man to say? what can man say in his tent? how can he discover anything celestial in his perishable body when his soul is weighed down by sin, what the all-powerful Hand of My Father has done? you govern your mind, man, with no light, no sense;

today, man, open your heart, then all the mysteries that appeared to you fathomless will be revealed to you by My Divine Light, thrice Holy, and you will understand who the Woman adorned with the sun is; then, your whole being will be lifted and your heart will be exulted and in rapture when your eyes will be unveiled to see the Blessed Heart of the blessed hearts, the Most Holy of saints, the Incomparable Heart, burning with unlimited love, a fire alight and so bright;

then, My friend, you will understand what Virtue is, and how in this Virtuous Virginal Heart, I, God, became God-Man; you will see the Mother of your Saviour, Mother of the prophets, Mother of the disciples, Mother of charisms, Mother of Triumph, Mother of unlimited graces, Mother of unequalled Redemption; the Vineyard of the True Vine, the Path to the Path that leads everyone to Me, the Gate wide open to heaven for everyone to enter and have everlasting life;

- have you not noticed how My Heart melts and favours always Her Heart? how can this Heart, who bore your King, be denied anything She asks from Me? all the faithful bless Her Heart for in blessing Her Heart you will be blessing Me;

Queenly and adorable you will proclaim Her once you get to know Her; so lift your eyes, creation, at the sight of Her Heart and I promise you, you will never stop growing in radiance; your heart will be lifted in to the furnace of Her Heart, and, throbbing with delight and full, you will enter Her Heart as one entering an ocean of love, since the riches of Her Heart are as wide as the Sea that flows to you and you to this Sea; the Wealth of heaven and earth lie all in Her Heart and they can be all for you!

though night still covers your mind and heart, arise! arise and lift your eyes at this radiant sight of Her Heart, that so many prophets wanted to see in their time, but had not seen It; arise and sing a new hymn to the Hymn of the Most Holy Trinity, sing and say: "brothers! sisters! come and be covered by the Mantle of Grace in Grace; come and be covered by the Queen's Light; come, let us be overshadowed by the One who was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit;" have you not heard how the nations will come to Her Light and that the kings will come to Her dawning brightness, when in the end Her Heart will triumph together with Mine? mystery for the rich in heart, but for the poor and lowly a Blessing so longed for ....

O come! before the floods of sin overtake you! come in this Ark12 that can save you; do not be like your ancestors in the days of Noah, who did not listen; come into the Ark and you will be saved from the tempestuous waters of sin, and from perishing in the floods of sin; come and become the promised child of the Mediatrix as a result of the devotion you would have had for Her;

in your devotion for Her you will be devoting yourself to Me; every devotion, honouring Her Heart, will amplify and ascend on Me since Our union is so perfect; in your devotion for Her Heart, all My decrees will be better understood in Her Light, because your steps will be guided by Her Heart since your hand will be taken by the Throne of Graces Herself; how blessed you will be to repeat your devotion to Her Heart!

come to the One, so Blessed, who shows Her Motherly Love to Her children by showing them the way to heaven; come to the Co-Redemptress of your Redeemer whose Heart, burning with Love, was offered to be pierced too for your sake; come and honour this Heart, alight as a Lamp, shining within and without near My Heart;

if you say: "we have no use for Her Heart", know that in reality you are saying: "we have no use for the Lord's Heart!" learn, feeble man, that My Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of your Mother are so united that in their perfect unity those Two Divine Hearts become One; I tell you solemnly: if you acknowledge Her Heart, not only will you be acknowledging My Heart but also the Father's; have I not said that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? if I am in the Father and the Father is in Me, My Heart, too, is in the Father and His Heart is in Mine; to say that We are not inseparable and One, is to deny My Word; do not be the slave of your spirit and do not be won by the arguments of the world;

tell Me, which creature's heart is like unto Mary's Heart? there is none like unto Mary's Heart; perfect from the beginning, Immaculate from birth13 and full of Grace, surpassing in its grace My Angels' graces; this is why My Angels in throngs questioned one another:

"who is this, behind Her veil?";

"why are the crests of the mountains bowing down low, saluting Her, as She passes them by?";

"who is this without a blemish in Her Heart and so pleasing to God?";
"have you seen how all God's creation lowers its gaze as She passes by?";

"who is She who is like a fountain that makes the gardens fertile by Her graces, this well of living water?";

"who is She, with a Heart so pure with divine love, aspiring for God day and night, night and day, and in perfect union with the Most High?";

"who is this Virgin who is so humble over Her great wealth of virtues and graces, that the supreme God's Eyes never leave Her?";

many of My Angels remained silent in admiration, words had failed them ....

it is in that Heart, in that Abyss of grace, I exercised My power; the Author of heaven and earth, the Author of grace found His heaven in heaven, His grace in grace, to come in the condition of a slave; I came to Prodigious Humility14 to serve and not to be served; I, the Redeemer of all mankind, the promised Messiah, came to the perfect image of My Sacred Heart to share the sorrows, the joys, the sufferings, the martyrdom, the wonders, the betrayals, the agonies, the scourging, the piercing, and the crucifixion; together, Our Hearts atoned;

all the moments My Holy Mother spent on earth were a perfect hymn of love, charity, humility and purity; a treasure from My treasures; I came in this Holy Heart, image and likeness to My Sacred Heart, to become God-Man so that I follow Her steps15 and that later on She follows Mine; 16 I have said that She and I shared everything all the way to the Cross;

Our union was so intimately perfect that We did not need speech, for the sole utterance was in Our Heart; My words and My thoughts did not need to be carried to Her in My absence; in the supreme power of My Holy Spirit, everything was known to Her; in Her virginal Heart everything was known to Her, since She possessed God and God possessed Her; in this way Her daily nourishment was the Will of the Eternal Father;

oh creation! My Soul is in utter dismay when so many of you deny Her Heart! and My Angels tremble for that day I will pronounce these people, guilty! but for those who honoured Her and loved Her, the Gate of Her Heart will be open for you to step into heaven; and I will say to you who love and honour Her: "come! your love for Her was so great on earth that today you may come to your room and before My Holy Temple17 bow down;"

creation, this Great Sign18 in heaven, the Woman adorned with the Sun that holds the demons paralysed with fear, this Great Sign that illuminates the heavens terrifying the Darkness19 is none other than My Mother; in contrast to the darkness I raised this Most Holy Virgin to be for all of you a Pillar of blazing fire by night to guide your step, and by day a Sun to illuminate your dreadful gloom;

- that day I was conceived by the Holy Spirit in Her virginal Womb, all the demons were paralysed with fright while in heaven at the same time a great throng of the heavenly host were praising God and singing: "Glory to God in the highest heaven, and peace to men who enjoy His favour;" thus, I descended from heaven to heaven, from My throne to My throne ....

yes, where every virtue was blossoming, ravishing My Sacred Heart by the fragrance of Her perfect Love; My Perfect One's Heart is unrivalled and altogether lovable ... Her Heart, since Her Immaculate Conception was an incessant prayer, an atoning incense, an incessant adoration for God; this is My Vineyard20 whom My Father's powerful Hand cultivated so that the True Vine puts His root in that soil;

come to the Heart of your Blessed Mother, which is as bright as day; come and receive Her graces, which are so innumerable and that flash in rays from Her Hands; My Heart, which is full of grace and truth, was made flesh in the Virginal Womb full of grace and truth; and now, Our Two Hearts, joined in One, will conquer Bitter Plague, not by physical strength nor by force of arms, but by love and sacrifice;


1 Rv. 12:1.
2 Rv. 10:6.
3 The sign of this is that She stands on the moon.
4 Jesus adds 'too' because He is God as well.
5 I felt Jesus' Heart melting with love when pronouncing the word "Mother".
6 With a loud cry Jesus was speaking to our Lady.
7 I understood "Beloved" to mean the Beloved Trinity.
8 Suddenly Christ lowered His Voice, becoming sad.
9 Jesus at the same time was sad and amazed.
10 I understood that it meant the New Eve.
11 Soul should be understood as life, as in Lk. 9:24.
12 In our Blessed Mother's Heart.
13 She was conceived Immaculate.
14 Our Blessed Mother.
15 When Jesus was a child following His Mother.
16 I understood that Mary followed Jesus in His Mission.
17 Our Blessed Mother: The Temple of God.
18 Rv. 12:1.
19 The Devil.
20 Our Lady.
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Whoever, if you desire, a grace filled powerful protection for these times ~

Say this prayer of consecration:

I consecrate myself and my family to the Two Hearts, to the Immaculate Heart hf of Mary and to the most Sacred Heart hf of Jesus.

Amen.
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The woman with the star crown is Israel.

The 12 stars are the twelve tribes.

Her child is the new covenant Jesus began.

Also, the symbolism marks the position in the sky for constellations of Virgo, the moon and the two-part dragon at a certain time.

Stop with the Mary worship; it is NOT in the Bible.
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The woman with the star crown is Israel.

The 12 stars are the twelve tribes.

Her child is the new covenant Jesus began.

Also, the symbolism marks the position in the sky for constellations of Virgo, the moon and the two-part dragon at a certain time.

Stop with the Mary worship; it is NOT in the Bible.
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For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Re: Jesus calls her..."the Woman adorned with the sun"....rebuttal to the demonic anti-mary threads
Vassula Ryden is a messenger who hears much about the
reunification of the lost sheep, the Protestants and Eastern
rite returning home to the RCC. God's plan...it's going to
happen...actually for all the world. Our Lord's prayer to the Father is going to be granted finally and in our time.


This is so beautiful, Jesus speaks of His mother...you will like it.

+ + +


The Woman Adorned With The Sun

March 20, 1996

(This message was received from March 20-26, 1996. The Annunciation was on March 25, 1996.)

I am your servant and I am here to serve You.
Majesty, without You I am nothing.
Pure contentment of my soul,
I am listening.

My beloved, come and learn: who has exalted Me most? I will tell you who exalted Me most: the New Eve has; yes! the Woman adorned with the sun, standing on the moon, with the twelve stars on Her Head for a crown; 1 for I who made heaven and all that is in it, and earth and all it bears and the sea and all it holds2 have placed Her above all these things; 3

the Queen of heaven is always in the presence of the Most High's throne; no less than the height of heaven over earth is the greatness of Her Name; Her Name, wrapped in a robe of light; let the whole world bend their knee to Her who bears the Sacred Name:

Mother of God;

in her Immaculate womb She glorified Me by receiving Me, the unblemished Lamb, making a sanctuary for the Sanctuary; come and sing a new song in Her honour, let all who live on earth revere Her Immaculate Heart, the Altar in which I was conceived and became God-Man too; 4 no one glorified Me as much as the Woman adorned with the sun;

yes! She is so superbly beautiful in Her perfect Love that the islands the mountains, the hills, the valleys and the springs all bow low when She passes by them; and today as yesterday, when Most Fair Love passes over the earth, escorted by My Angels whose eyes never cease admiring the Admirable, Holiest of all Virgins, marvelling at the Beauty of My Father's Masterpiece, when She passes over the earth, She lovingly intervenes, and answers your entreaties;

let Me tell you: My Sacred Heart is your heaven; creation, My Sacred Heart, that so many of you deny and refuse, is your Heaven; your Paradise, your Kingdom; your Inheritance, your Place-of-Rest for Eternity; so approach this Heart that loves you so and I will pour out, from My Heart, in your heart countless blessings, to turn your soul as fair as springtime, to turn your soul into an ivory tower, a heaven for Myself alone; how can anyone doubt of My Love? ah, beloved, every time you doubt of My Love, the sun darkens in My distress ....

today, I want to display, in My great Love, the Heart of My Mother, 5

6 "O Masterpiece of My Father! O Sublime Masterpiece of Yahweh! Spouse to My Holy Spirit! My Radiant Tabernacle! Your Heart, Beloved of the Beloved, 7 is One with Ours! Your Heart is My enclosed garden, a sealed fountain; your Heart is a Fountain that makes the gardens fertile; your Heart, Adorable One, is My Throne, on which I have been honoured; Heart of the Heart, whom I crowned in Our presence and in the presence of all My celestial court, 8 how can any of My creatures deny Your Heart? 9 You, the Ark of power, all vested in virtues, My New Song, 10 My Harp, My Citadel, in whom the Maker of heaven and earth is ravished by Your magnificence, You who stand in Our Presence, stand ever so close to all who invoke You; yet, how has man fallen so low and taken a deceptive path to deny Your Heart?"

have you not heard, creation, that I am the Heart of Her Heart? the Soul of Her Soul, the Spirit of Her Spirit? have you not heard that Our Two Hearts are united in One? consider My Redemptive Heart, consider Her Co-Redemptive Heart, consider the Delight of My Heart, rising like the dawn to brighten the earth in its darkness, consider the Queen's Heart that shines on mankind brighter in Her radiance than all the constellations put together; more resplendent than the sun; radiant as My Glory because of Her unique perfection; consider the Tabernacle of your God; consider and esteem highly as I esteem My Throne;

do not ask: "how could it be that the Most High has assigned Her such a high throne in His Celestial Courts?" look, not only have I assigned Her as the Queen of My Angels and My creatures but I have assigned Her to be My Throne; the Queen of heaven and earth is the Throne of the King of kings, for I, the Lord of All, have placed Her as first in My Sacred Heart;

born to be My Crown of Splendour, born to be the Vessel of the True Light who was made flesh from David's line, born to be My honour and My boast, the Spirit with Me and the Father said:

"Mary full of grace, We are with you; We will hide none of the secrets from You, Our Breath will be your breath, pure emanation of Our Glory, Mary, Our image of Our Goodness, We give you Our Peace in Your Heart; in this perfect Heart I, the Son, shall triumph; Our Heart will be Your Heart, a burning furnace of divine love; Our Soul will be Your Soul, 11 an august treasure, a Paradise for Us; Our Spirit will be Your Spirit; yes, for anyone who is joined to Us is one spirit with Us;"

this is the One whom We so highly favoured, the One whom so many reject and yet is the ointment of your eyes, the balm to your wounds, the merciful plea to the Eternal Father for your pleas; the intercessor and your advocate of your soul;

feeble man .... the Spouse of My Holy Spirit is the Temple of the Temple, the promised land of the weak and the wretched, the reflection of My eternal Light; the consoler of Your Consoler is the comfort of your sorrows .... what has man to say? what can man say in his tent? how can he discover anything celestial in his perishable body when his soul is weighed down by sin, what the all-powerful Hand of My Father has done? you govern your mind, man, with no light, no sense;

today, man, open your heart, then all the mysteries that appeared to you fathomless will be revealed to you by My Divine Light, thrice Holy, and you will understand who the Woman adorned with the sun is; then, your whole being will be lifted and your heart will be exulted and in rapture when your eyes will be unveiled to see the Blessed Heart of the blessed hearts, the Most Holy of saints, the Incomparable Heart, burning with unlimited love, a fire alight and so bright;

then, My friend, you will understand what Virtue is, and how in this Virtuous Virginal Heart, I, God, became God-Man; you will see the Mother of your Saviour, Mother of the prophets, Mother of the disciples, Mother of charisms, Mother of Triumph, Mother of unlimited graces, Mother of unequalled Redemption; the Vineyard of the True Vine, the Path to the Path that leads everyone to Me, the Gate wide open to heaven for everyone to enter and have everlasting life;

- have you not noticed how My Heart melts and favours always Her Heart? how can this Heart, who bore your King, be denied anything She asks from Me? all the faithful bless Her Heart for in blessing Her Heart you will be blessing Me;

Queenly and adorable you will proclaim Her once you get to know Her; so lift your eyes, creation, at the sight of Her Heart and I promise you, you will never stop growing in radiance; your heart will be lifted in to the furnace of Her Heart, and, throbbing with delight and full, you will enter Her Heart as one entering an ocean of love, since the riches of Her Heart are as wide as the Sea that flows to you and you to this Sea; the Wealth of heaven and earth lie all in Her Heart and they can be all for you!

though night still covers your mind and heart, arise! arise and lift your eyes at this radiant sight of Her Heart, that so many prophets wanted to see in their time, but had not seen It; arise and sing a new hymn to the Hymn of the Most Holy Trinity, sing and say: "brothers! sisters! come and be covered by the Mantle of Grace in Grace; come and be covered by the Queen's Light; come, let us be overshadowed by the One who was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit;" have you not heard how the nations will come to Her Light and that the kings will come to Her dawning brightness, when in the end Her Heart will triumph together with Mine? mystery for the rich in heart, but for the poor and lowly a Blessing so longed for ....

O come! before the floods of sin overtake you! come in this Ark12 that can save you; do not be like your ancestors in the days of Noah, who did not listen; come into the Ark and you will be saved from the tempestuous waters of sin, and from perishing in the floods of sin; come and become the promised child of the Mediatrix as a result of the devotion you would have had for Her;

in your devotion for Her you will be devoting yourself to Me; every devotion, honouring Her Heart, will amplify and ascend on Me since Our union is so perfect; in your devotion for Her Heart, all My decrees will be better understood in Her Light, because your steps will be guided by Her Heart since your hand will be taken by the Throne of Graces Herself; how blessed you will be to repeat your devotion to Her Heart!

come to the One, so Blessed, who shows Her Motherly Love to Her children by showing them the way to heaven; come to the Co-Redemptress of your Redeemer whose Heart, burning with Love, was offered to be pierced too for your sake; come and honour this Heart, alight as a Lamp, shining within and without near My Heart;

if you say: "we have no use for Her Heart", know that in reality you are saying: "we have no use for the Lord's Heart!" learn, feeble man, that My Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of your Mother are so united that in their perfect unity those Two Divine Hearts become One; I tell you solemnly: if you acknowledge Her Heart, not only will you be acknowledging My Heart but also the Father's; have I not said that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? if I am in the Father and the Father is in Me, My Heart, too, is in the Father and His Heart is in Mine; to say that We are not inseparable and One, is to deny My Word; do not be the slave of your spirit and do not be won by the arguments of the world;

tell Me, which creature's heart is like unto Mary's Heart? there is none like unto Mary's Heart; perfect from the beginning, Immaculate from birth13 and full of Grace, surpassing in its grace My Angels' graces; this is why My Angels in throngs questioned one another:

"who is this, behind Her veil?";

"why are the crests of the mountains bowing down low, saluting Her, as She passes them by?";

"who is this without a blemish in Her Heart and so pleasing to God?";
"have you seen how all God's creation lowers its gaze as She passes by?";

"who is She who is like a fountain that makes the gardens fertile by Her graces, this well of living water?";

"who is She, with a Heart so pure with divine love, aspiring for God day and night, night and day, and in perfect union with the Most High?";

"who is this Virgin who is so humble over Her great wealth of virtues and graces, that the supreme God's Eyes never leave Her?";

many of My Angels remained silent in admiration, words had failed them ....

it is in that Heart, in that Abyss of grace, I exercised My power; the Author of heaven and earth, the Author of grace found His heaven in heaven, His grace in grace, to come in the condition of a slave; I came to Prodigious Humility14 to serve and not to be served; I, the Redeemer of all mankind, the promised Messiah, came to the perfect image of My Sacred Heart to share the sorrows, the joys, the sufferings, the martyrdom, the wonders, the betrayals, the agonies, the scourging, the piercing, and the crucifixion; together, Our Hearts atoned;

all the moments My Holy Mother spent on earth were a perfect hymn of love, charity, humility and purity; a treasure from My treasures; I came in this Holy Heart, image and likeness to My Sacred Heart, to become God-Man so that I follow Her steps15 and that later on She follows Mine; 16 I have said that She and I shared everything all the way to the Cross;

Our union was so intimately perfect that We did not need speech, for the sole utterance was in Our Heart; My words and My thoughts did not need to be carried to Her in My absence; in the supreme power of My Holy Spirit, everything was known to Her; in Her virginal Heart everything was known to Her, since She possessed God and God possessed Her; in this way Her daily nourishment was the Will of the Eternal Father;

oh creation! My Soul is in utter dismay when so many of you deny Her Heart! and My Angels tremble for that day I will pronounce these people, guilty! but for those who honoured Her and loved Her, the Gate of Her Heart will be open for you to step into heaven; and I will say to you who love and honour Her: "come! your love for Her was so great on earth that today you may come to your room and before My Holy Temple17 bow down;"

creation, this Great Sign18 in heaven, the Woman adorned with the Sun that holds the demons paralysed with fear, this Great Sign that illuminates the heavens terrifying the Darkness19 is none other than My Mother; in contrast to the darkness I raised this Most Holy Virgin to be for all of you a Pillar of blazing fire by night to guide your step, and by day a Sun to illuminate your dreadful gloom;

- that day I was conceived by the Holy Spirit in Her virginal Womb, all the demons were paralysed with fright while in heaven at the same time a great throng of the heavenly host were praising God and singing: "Glory to God in the highest heaven, and peace to men who enjoy His favour;" thus, I descended from heaven to heaven, from My throne to My throne ....

yes, where every virtue was blossoming, ravishing My Sacred Heart by the fragrance of Her perfect Love; My Perfect One's Heart is unrivalled and altogether lovable ... Her Heart, since Her Immaculate Conception was an incessant prayer, an atoning incense, an incessant adoration for God; this is My Vineyard20 whom My Father's powerful Hand cultivated so that the True Vine puts His root in that soil;

come to the Heart of your Blessed Mother, which is as bright as day; come and receive Her graces, which are so innumerable and that flash in rays from Her Hands; My Heart, which is full of grace and truth, was made flesh in the Virginal Womb full of grace and truth; and now, Our Two Hearts, joined in One, will conquer Bitter Plague, not by physical strength nor by force of arms, but by love and sacrifice;


1 Rv. 12:1.
2 Rv. 10:6.
3 The sign of this is that She stands on the moon.
4 Jesus adds 'too' because He is God as well.
5 I felt Jesus' Heart melting with love when pronouncing the word "Mother".
6 With a loud cry Jesus was speaking to our Lady.
7 I understood "Beloved" to mean the Beloved Trinity.
8 Suddenly Christ lowered His Voice, becoming sad.
9 Jesus at the same time was sad and amazed.
10 I understood that it meant the New Eve.
11 Soul should be understood as life, as in Lk. 9:24.
12 In our Blessed Mother's Heart.
13 She was conceived Immaculate.
14 Our Blessed Mother.
15 When Jesus was a child following His Mother.
16 I understood that Mary followed Jesus in His Mission.
17 Our Blessed Mother: The Temple of God.
18 Rv. 12:1.
19 The Devil.
20 Our Lady.
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Excellent....The mother and the son to rule....and the father to be at hand to sort any evil....wonderfull.
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The woman with the star crown is Israel.

The 12 stars are the twelve tribes.

Her child is the new covenant Jesus began.

Also, the symbolism marks the position in the sky for constellations of Virgo, the moon and the two-part dragon at a certain time.

Stop with the Mary worship; it is NOT in the Bible.
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind

A big +1
 Quoting: mathetes

and stop with the jesus worship... any divine being that demands to be worshiped is not divine at all.
jesus wanted to you understand his message and live by it,
not worship him as god or as a son of god
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Jumping Jesuits!

From the cult of Zoroaster comes the ultimate blaspheme. :)
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The woman with the star crown is Israel.

The 12 stars are the twelve tribes.

Her child is the new covenant Jesus began.

Also, the symbolism marks the position in the sky for constellations of Virgo, the moon and the two-part dragon at a certain time.

Stop with the Mary worship; it is NOT in the Bible.
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind

A big +1
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The Queen of heaven will rule.
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The woman with the star crown is Israel.

The 12 stars are the twelve tribes.

Her child is the new covenant Jesus began.

Also, the symbolism marks the position in the sky for constellations of Virgo, the moon and the two-part dragon at a certain time.

Stop with the Mary worship; it is NOT in the Bible.
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind

A big +1
 Quoting: mathetes

and stop with the jesus worship... any divine being that demands to be worshiped is not divine at all.
jesus wanted to you understand his message and live by it,
not worship him as god or as a son of god
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Democracy is finished...because it doesn't work...the only thing that will work to cure this world is "divine rule by Jesus the son and the Queen of heaven".People will have more freedom because debt and control will be gone.
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The woman with the star crown is Israel.

The 12 stars are the twelve tribes.

Her child is the new covenant Jesus began.

Also, the symbolism marks the position in the sky for constellations of Virgo, the moon and the two-part dragon at a certain time.

Stop with the Mary worship; it is NOT in the Bible.
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind

A big +1
 Quoting: mathetes



You're following your Protestant anti-Catholic way, lose it and come further. The Woman in Revelation 12:1 is Mary. Why do you think Our Lord addresses Mary as "Woman" so often in Scripture?

Every one in Chapter 12 is an individual. The stars are
symbolic of the twelve tribes but they also show Mary's
place. She is Queen of Heaven and Earth. Deny it till
the Great Warning.

Our Lord used that word for His mother several times
because He fully knows the plan.

Read Genesis 3:15. God has it planned out.

I know in my heart, you are going to say "yes" at the time
of the Great Warning. You are going to accept Our Lord's
presence in the Holy Eucharist. I predict.
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The woman with the star crown is Israel.

The 12 stars are the twelve tribes.

Her child is the new covenant Jesus began.

Also, the symbolism marks the position in the sky for constellations of Virgo, the moon and the two-part dragon at a certain time.

Stop with the Mary worship; it is NOT in the Bible.
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind

A big +1
 Quoting: mathetes

and stop with the jesus worship... any divine being that demands to be worshiped is not divine at all.
jesus wanted to you understand his message and live by it,
not worship him as god or as a son of god
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Democracy is finished...because it doesn't work...the only thing that will work to cure this world is "divine rule by Jesus the son and the Queen of heaven".People will have more freedom because debt and control will be gone.
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you missed my point entirely.
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Matthew 12
46. While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48. But he answered and said unto him that told him,
Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

49. And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50. For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.



Mary is dead in her grave and awaits the resurrection of the good as do all who Love HIM.

No way for a Born-Again to remain a catholic.
The Way Of Christ Jesus is not denominational or dependent upon others to Come Unto The Father.

the roman catholic church perverts The Witness of Christ Jesus, The Holy Scriptures and actively seeks to thwart The Will of God The Father.

If you have been unable to Trust God Fully and surrender Unto The Father your very life, then you have not partaken of The Body and Blood of Christ Jesus.

rome denies God The Son in all of its heresies.
Christ's Blood was shed for all mankind, once.
The Witness of Christ Jesus, that all men might Come Unto The Father, By HIM is what the mass ought celebrate, yet it denies HIM and commemorates HIS murder a million times a day...

the roman catholic church serves satan.
Why else would it deny The Witness of The Gospel and seek to keep all its congregants apart from The Father?

There is no ritual or sacrament pertinent or germaine to The Witness Of Christ Jesus and Christianity.

"Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Gives HIS Witness upon what HE Knew would manifest in years to come.

No man or woman is able to do "The Will Of God" unless they be Born-Again.

All comes down to do you Trust God Fully with your life, or prefer to put your faith in a church that has created many fictions and denials about God over the past 1600 years.

Who is Mary to you, if she is never Witnessed-Of By Jesus to be other than the vessel of HIS Birth?
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Dear present day Protestants.

Don't take it personally, study Scripture since you are
a Martin Luther "Bible Alone" follower. Mary is special,
she is the New Eve, the New Ark of the Covenant, Queen of
Heaven and earth. She plays a major part throughout all of
Christian history. Watch...you will finally understand
very soon.

You can't help what you've been taught since childhood.
Part of the rejection of Mary is envy and most of it was your spiritual ancestor's way to distance themselves from the Church.

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are not
going to allow Mary to appear to Protestants because they
reject Christ's Church. They reject most of the means to
receiving God's greatest help, the greatest means to His
grace.

It could be too, God does make exceptions, Mary may
have appeared to a brother or sister in Christ sometime?

God is going to ask you to accept His Church, the RCC in
the Great Warning. He has the ability to change hearts
much better than any of your Catholic brothers and sisters in
Christ.

Read the message in the OP. Jesus wants you to love His
mother, she loves you with all her heart! Truly. hf
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A big +1
 Quoting: mathetes

and stop with the jesus worship... any divine being that demands to be worshiped is not divine at all.
jesus wanted to you understand his message and live by it,
not worship him as god or as a son of god
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1241924


Democracy is finished...because it doesn't work...the only thing that will work to cure this world is "divine rule by Jesus the son and the Queen of heaven".People will have more freedom because debt and control will be gone.
 Quoting: zadok the priest

you missed my point entirely.
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I am at fault........I appologise.
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Stop with the Mary worship; it is NOT in the Bible.
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A big +1
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Ditto

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Matthew 12
46. While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48. But he answered and said unto him that told him,
Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

49. And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50. For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.



Mary is dead in her grave and awaits the resurrection of the good as do all who Love HIM.

No way for a Born-Again to remain a catholic.
The Way Of Christ Jesus is not denominational or dependent upon others to Come Unto The Father.

the roman catholic church perverts The Witness of Christ Jesus, The Holy Scriptures and actively seeks to thwart The Will of God The Father.

If you have been unable to Trust God Fully and surrender Unto The Father your very life, then you have not partaken of The Body and Blood of Christ Jesus.

rome denies God The Son in all of its heresies.
Christ's Blood was shed for all mankind, once.
The Witness of Christ Jesus, that all men might Come Unto The Father, By HIM is what the mass ought celebrate, yet it denies HIM and commemorates HIS murder a million times a day...

the roman catholic church serves satan.
Why else would it deny The Witness of The Gospel and seek to keep all its congregants apart from The Father?

There is no ritual or sacrament pertinent or germaine to The Witness Of Christ Jesus and Christianity.

"Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Gives HIS Witness upon what HE Knew would manifest in years to come.

No man or woman is able to do "The Will Of God" unless they be Born-Again.

All comes down to do you Trust God Fully with your life, or prefer to put your faith in a church that has created many fictions and denials about God over the past 1600 years.

Who is Mary to you, if she is never Witnessed-Of By Jesus to be other than the vessel of HIS Birth?
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At some time the world will understand the following link.

The Lord (father)was Odin and Bonniface.
Jesus (son) was King David and Thor.
Mary Mother of Heaven was Frigg and the Virgin Mary.

The trio is..The father,The Son and the holy ghost (Queen of Heaven and her Angels)

At the end of time all things have to interact.The Chinese,muslims and all people have an equal right to everlasting life.It is about good versus evil...nothing else.
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I am no "protestant".

I am a former catholic who, when his church could not be of any assistance, turned directly Unto God The Father. The Father Received my surrender and Brought me Into HIM with HIS Regeneration. As a Born-Again, I was NEVER Given Witness to return to any catholic service.

I am a Christian.
I understand that while rcc congregants consider themselves also to be Christian, that the rcc has actively sought to deny The Witness of Christ Jesus and to thwart the implementation of God's Plan for humanity.

If the rcc were Of-God, this could not be.
the rcc (roman catholic church) is therefore allied with God's enemy.

No reason to protest catholicism.
catholics are usually fast to point out that they are catholic not Christian. I KNOW this to be the case.

The real pity is that most of the original Reformation Denominations have since Luther and Wycliffe etc, have strayed from The Reformationist Witness. Many have gone so far as to re-union with the anti-Christ church of rome.

Really, that is the issue.
Not the wonderfully, good-hearted layity, brothers, nuns, and priests who Love God, but are misguided intentionally by false-doctrine and dogma.

There are many evidences of the rcc's alienation and enmity Unto God. "motherchurch" is NOTHING! The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit IS Everything...

St. John, "The Beloved Apostle" Witnesses in First John ch 2:
20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


If you were able to Love God sufficiently to find within your heart that you could Trust HIM Fully and Completely with all aspects of your life, you too could Come Unto The Father.

Christianity is not about denominations or dogma, but your Love for God and awareness of WHO Christ Jesus IS.

Funny... Being raised & educated in fine rcc schools through university; I never understood (or recall it being taught or discussed) what Jesus' Role IS Within God's Plan For Humanity... When I gave my life Unto The Father, I told HIM:
"Father God, YahWeh, Elohim; I am giving my life to you. I Know Jesus IS God The Son, WHO Redeemed the world, but I don't Know how HE fits into your plan; so I am making my surrender to you..."

the rcc doesn't want its members to Know or be even aware of God's Plan. Jesus Witnesses several facts that catholicism overlooks or disregards:
John 3:7 "... Marvel not that I say unto you, ye MUST Be Born-Again"
John 14:6 "... I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by ME."
1st John 2:27 "27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

We Christians are to look to God for our Guidance and Direction. Not much of a need for any denomination or group that seeks to define God by credo, dogma, doctrine, or statement of Faith.

Of course, giving your life to God is the whole reason we who Love HIM were born; but that is another matter....


May The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit Deliver you from your bondage and Into Relationship With HIM as Witnessed Of By Christ Jesus and all others throughout The Holy Scripture.

Amen!
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Stop with the Mary worship; it is NOT in the Bible.
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind

A big +1
 Quoting: mathetes


Ditto

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You've been taught for years anti-Catholicism, part of
it is to reject Mary and accuse Catholics of worshiping
Mary. They don't, they tell you a thousand times and since
you are "baby Christians", you don't get it.

Same old, same old protest and isn't true.

What happened to your "Bible Alone?" Mary prophesied
"for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed" Luke 1:48. You all live in a time when finally you will say it too. Don't give me oh, but we do say she is blessed now." Too many attacking Mary threads on this forum proves your but..but..she is blessed is hollow.

It's so simple, change now before the Warning. Speak to
Mary in prayer, it would please Jesus.
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bee1 If you would like to know more about this subject from a biblical point of view.

WHY IS MARRY CRYING?... [link to www.chick.com]
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Spiritual direction from the porn posting dirty old man, 9teens.
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How about you Catholics just go ahead and worship your goddess and leave Christ out of it altogether. I've seen Papal blessings from the Vatican. The Pope and Mary...nothing mentioned about Christ at all.

So you go ahead...worship her.

Leave Christ to those of us who believe the Bible when it says "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father BUT BY ME!"
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You guys are so full of shit it is pathetic.
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It's so simple, change now before the Warning. Speak to
Mary in prayer, it would please Jesus.
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Look at Our Lord's words to why He answers Mary's prayers.
Jesus said this via His messenger, Vassula back in 1996!
He doesn't change. It is a benefit to be close to His
mother. Jesus from the cross gave His mother to all of humanity not just Catholics.

+ + +


..."today, man, open your heart, then all the mysteries that appeared to you fathomless will be revealed to you by My Divine Light, thrice Holy, and you will understand who the Woman adorned with the sun is; then, your whole being will be lifted and your heart will be exulted and in rapture when your eyes will be unveiled to see the Blessed Heart of the blessed hearts, the Most Holy of saints, the Incomparable Heart, burning with unlimited love, a fire alight and so bright;

then, My friend, you will understand what Virtue is, and how in this Virtuous Virginal Heart, I, God, became God-Man; you will see the Mother of your Saviour, Mother of the prophets, Mother of the disciples, Mother of charisms, Mother of Triumph, Mother of unlimited graces, Mother of unequalled Redemption; the Vineyard of the True Vine, the Path to the Path that leads everyone to Me, the Gate wide open to heaven for everyone to enter and have everlasting life;

- have you not noticed how My Heart melts and favours always Her Heart? how can this Heart, who bore your King, be denied anything She asks from Me?
all the faithful bless Her Heart for in blessing Her Heart you will be blessing Me;"...
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How about you Catholics just go ahead and worship your goddess and leave Christ out of it altogether. I've seen Papal blessings from the Vatican. The Pope and Mary...nothing mentioned about Christ at all.

So you go ahead...worship her.

Leave Christ to those of us who believe the Bible when it says "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father BUT BY ME!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1113553


Jesus said mediation between He and the Father not mediation
between us and Himself. He's God Our Savior, He answers our prayers here and His mother's prayers in Heaven including the saint's prayers to Him for the world. Besides the miraculous evidence of all these prayers answered by Our Lord, it's Scriptural. Read Revelation.
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rockon lol
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Floating high above the Church of the Immaculate Conception, the symphony of bells calls the Catholics of Morris, Illinois, to worship on this February morning. Far below the bell tower, the nave slowly fills with people as I let my prayers ride upon the sound. It is a miracle that my wife and I are here today. A short year ago, I had told my Protestant pastor that I was going to pray for the Catholic people during Lent, that they would come to know the Lord. Now, here I am in this church, eyes clouding with tears, heart filled with peace and wonder—a Catholic once again.

I have become graciously undone. All the things I thought I knew, all of my clever reasons for ridiculing these people, lie mercifully in ruins behind me. Heaped there also is my self-righteous façade, a victim of the Truth. This morning, with nothing else to give God but my ragged self, I will offer that to him again. In a short time, he will give himself to my wife and me in a very real way. The priest will say, "The Body of Christ," and we will say, "Amen!" We will proclaim that which the Church has proclaimed for two thousand years: that Jesus is really and truly present in the Eucharist. Sitting here now, with the sounds and the sights of Catholicism above and around me and with the expectation of the Eucharist before me, I am filled with awe. What a year! What a tumultuous and glorious journey!

"I was born and raised in a Catholic home." This sentence, repeated in all too many conversion stories, must be included in mine. It seems so much more tragic to preface a testimony with this sentence than to relay a happy conversion story that starts, "I was born and raised a staunch Calvinist, but then. . . ." Why? Because when the story concerns a cradle Catholic, it signals that something was missing from what should have been the most wonderful, grace-filled Christian experience on earth. Yes, the good news is that these Catholics have come home, but the disturbing news is that these people felt the need to leave the Church of their youth to recognize God’s love.

Often, in an attempt to assuage the guilt of having left the Church over such issues as clerical abuse, lack of spiritual formation, or coldness in the local parish, an ex-Catholic will turn against the Church and become viciously anti-Catholic. This happened with me. I was not really anti-Catholic when I left the Church, nor did I leave for any heavy doctrinal reason. I left for emotional ones. At the time of my departure, I was very pro-Catholic and longed for the Church to meet my spiritual needs, but was angry that it didn’t.

I left the Church in 1992, joining a small, loving, Protestant church. Eventually I would become an elder of this church, lead men’s Bible studies, and host weekly prayer meetings. Independently of anything taught from the pulpit of this church, I grew even angrier and proceeded to build a doctrinal case against Rome. Every evening, my grudge against the Church edged toward full-blown hatred as I reveled in the writings of professional anti-Catholics such as Dave Hunt and James G. McCarthy. Many a dark night slipped by as I continually "let the sun go down on my anger." Woe to the unprepared Catholic who crossed my path at that time! Woe to my Catholic family members! Hunt’s and McCarthy’s books allowed me to build an airtight case against the Church, but I never considered that if air could not get in or out, neither could the Light. And so, in the darkness of my prejudice, I grew as a misshapen plant. I bore bitter fruit on twisted branches.

I wrote anti-Catholic tracts and opened a post office box with the intent of distributing them. I spent long hours in the library researching local Catholic history in order to compile a "spiritual map" of my community. On a large street map, I marked the location of each Catholic Church with an X (eight in all). This mapping was done in order to target Catholic churches for intense intercessory prayer campaigns. I wasn’t praying for anything so noble as an increase in vocations in the Catholic Church; I simply wanted all the Catholic churches in my community to be emptied. I went to many of these churches, anointed the buildings with oil, and prayed for the salvation of the members there.

In the midst of all this, something miraculous happened. I heard a sermon by a Fundamentalist pastor who seemed to hate the Church as much as I did. In a pivotal moment of my spiritual life, I listened to him and comprehended just what I had become. Suddenly, as when Nathan the prophet confronted the murderous King David, I could almost hear God say, "You are that man, Mark!" It was as if someone had held a mirror up to my face and I saw that I had become terribly disfigured. Hate had turned me into a monster. I listened to this anti-Catholic preacher, I vividly remember wondering what heaven would be like—filled with only the "righteous" like him and me? I came to the conclusion that heaven would be a miserable place if that were so!

Within a month of hearing this sermon, I picked up a book by an "obscure" Catholic named Mother Teresa. A Simple Path challenged my whole conception of Christian service. Here was an elderly nun selflessly giving her whole life to Christ, but there was just one problem: She prayed the rosary! What was I to do? I knew that the rosary was an instrument used in "idolatrous" prayers to Mary; how could this woman serve God and Satan too? For the answer, I turned to Dave Hunt’s book, A Woman Rides the Beast, where he reassured me that "her [Mother Teresa’s] evangelism leads no one to Christ." For some strange (and merciful) reason I didn’t buy Hunt’s counsel this time. I began to wonder, Am I just gathering around me a great number of teachers to say what my itching ears want to hear?

I shared Mother Teresa’s book with my pastor, a kind and compassionate man whom I love deeply, and he was so moved that he preached a sermon on it. Contrary to Dave Hunt’s assertion, people in this Protestant congregation were brought closer to Christ because of this nun’s witness. Seeing this, I knew I had to alter radically my opinion of at least one Catholic, a tiny nun from Calcutta.

I was devastated by all that was being revealed to me about my prejudices. I was horrified by the prospect that some of the very people I had been persecuting may have in fact been "saved." I, of course, had no intention of going back to the Catholic Church, but at least I would be more charitable in my assessment of Catholics. Not wanting to concede too much, I resolved to re-read Dave Hunt’s book to see what I could salvage of my case against the Church.

I started reading A Woman Rides the Beast for a second time, but this time something was different. Whereas in the past this book made me feel smug about my escape from the "Whore of Babylon," it now caused my case to collapse in ruins. This book is so internally inconsistent and mean-spirited that I could only shake when I read it again. If Hunt had written in the same manner about the Jewish people, he would be termed an anti-Semite and be featured on Nightline. Consider the following quotation: "Those conditioned to believe that wine had become Christ’s blood were able to believe Hitler’s myth of blood as well." How could I have been so blind to his prejudice?

As I studied this book, something else became apparent. In his rush to pummel Catholics, Hunt also wounded Martin Luther. With his assault on Luther’s "heretical" belief in the Real Presence, he shook my trust in sola scriptura. Luther and Hunt both believe that Scripture alone should be used to determine doctrine. Yet, while using Scripture, these men were at opposite ends of the spectrum on what seemed to be a key doctrinal question: Is Christ physically present in the Eucharist? Hunt said this belief was "a fantasy" and "a foolish heresy" and cited many verses to support his belief. Luther disagreed, as he explained in A Treatise Concerning the Blessed Sacrament and Concerning the Brotherhood:

" There are those who practice their arts and subtleties to such an extent that they ask where the bread remains when it is changed into Christ’s flesh and the wine when it is changed into his blood; also in what manner the whole Christ, his flesh and blood, can be comprehended in so small a portion of bread and wine. What does it matter? It is enough to know that it is a divine sign, in which Christ’s flesh and blood are truly present—how and where, we leave to him.".

Hunt claimed that Luther had been unable to jettison this belief from his Catholic upbringing, but Luther’s writings clearly show that he used Scripture to support this belief, as is shown in his Small Catechism:

" What is the sacrament of the altar? It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, under the bread and wine, instituted by Christ himself for us Christians to eat and drink. Where is this written? The holy Evangelists, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, together with St. Paul, write thus: ‘Our Lord Jesus Christ, in the night in which he was betrayed, took bread; and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, Take, eat; this is my body, which is given for you; this do in remembrance of me.’"

Hunt had a problem, and so did I. Using Scripture alone, we had come to an impasse. Sola scriptura did not seem to be a valid method for solving this important doctrinal dispute. Either Hunt was right or Martin Luther was right—or both were wrong. In any event, sola scriptura had failed to weed out an error in doctrine. Someone was teaching a lie, but who? What Luther (using Scripture) saw as the Body and Blood of our Lord, Hunt (using Scripture) saw as a fantasy and heresy.

I saw that it ultimately came down to a standoff between Dave Hunt’s and Martin Luther’s interpretations of Scripture. I started to wonder, Am I just following the "traditions of men" by trusting Hunt, or am I following the intentions of Christ? This question started to burn inside of me. How would I resolve it?

I was dismayed to discover that I could not even bring this disagreement to the "church" as instructed by Jesus in Matthew 18. In this discourse to the disciples, he outlined a three-step procedure to use if one had something against a brother. Included were the consequences to be incurred if one would not submit to correction. I reasoned that Hunt’s charge of heresy would qualify as having "ought against a brother." Jesus’ solution was not to take this problem to Scripture (remember, that’s how we arrived at this impasse), but instead to take it to "the Church." It suddenly became clear that I couldn’t do this. Which Protestant church would I have brought it to? Dave Hunt’s church? The Lutheran church that he had charged with heresy? Perhaps a "neutral" Protestant denomination like the Baptists? If the Baptists, which Baptist church? The Regular Baptists? The Southern Baptists? The American Baptists? Which one of the thousands of Protestant denominations should I bring it to?

Which Protestant church would be given the final authority to cast one or both of these men out as "tax collectors and sinners"? And if they were cast out, what would stop them from simply starting up another church, one custom-tailored to their own particular teachings? The end result could be two new denominations—and a direct repudiation of Christ’s command that this excommunication would be binding "in heaven and on earth."

I began to see that, in spite of the Protestant insistence on the Bible being the "court of last appeal," sola scriptura was an unworkable doctrine. Without an authoritative Church with the authority to bind and loose (in heaven and on earth), Jesus’ solution for conflict resolution in was ludicrous. I reasoned that Jesus loves us too much to give us worthless solutions; therefore, this authoritative Church must exist today, just as it must have existed from the time he issued the command. This Church must have been exercising this authority throughout Christian history, definitively judging heresies such as Gnosticism and Pelagianism as being contrary to the Truth.

I read the Church Fathers and saw that the belief in the Real Presence could be traced back to the early martyrs; the early Church consistently held that Jesus was really present in the Eucharist. From this discovery I developed for the Eucharist an intense hunger that would not dissipate. I wanted to belong to a living Church tradition, to be joined to a family that had its beginnings in the Upper Room and that had continued to defend the faith until this present day.

I discovered that I didn’t have to search for a Church to weigh the merits of Luther’s doctrine. Jesus Christ already had established a Church that had done just that. In the end, Dave Hunt had done what the Catholic Church had failed to do. He had destroyed my trust in sola scriptura.

With these revelations came a necessary pruning. As branch after twisted branch of prejudice was cut off, I felt great pain and turmoil. I know that, were it not for the love of my wife and the grace of God, I would not have survived the process. I did not want to leave the wonderful people at my church, and, as sad as it might sound, I did not want to leave the comfort of the dark little box into which I had tried to squeeze the richness of Christianity. On another level, I did not want to commit my life to a Church with which I was still angry. I did not want to eat the crow that people would be lining up to feed me. Not surprisingly, this thinly-veiled pride was the last obstacle to be overcome.

But I learned to lay my pride and anger aside as I prayed about Jesus’ question in Luke 6:46, "And why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?" I slowly came to a conclusion: If someone is serious about obeying Christ, and if that person makes an honest and careful study of both Scripture and Church history, he ultimately will feel compelled to come into the bosom of the Church—or suffer the utter misery of living a life of compromise.

My return to the Church happened on a quiet evening at the local monastery. There was no fanfare, no grand ceremony. I sincerely stated my intention to obey the teachings of the Church by making a profession of faith, and then went to confession with my family. Together with our fellow Catholics, we received our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament during a public Mass. After a four-year rejection of the Eucharist, I could only weep. The sublime nature of the moment was heightened by the realization that this church had been marked by a small X on my map.

On the edge of the woods near the monastery stands a statue of Jesus with arms outstretched. A detail of this statue had caught my attention while compiling my map two years earlier: The statue had no right hand. Such was my suspicion of the Church that this missing hand was proof to me of Rome’s diabolical nature. The Bible had much to say about the importance of God’s mighty right hand, and here was a symbol of the Catholic Church’s negation of God’s power. So, X marked the spot.

I pointed to the statue during one of my first meetings with the priest who brought me home. "See," I challenged, "Christ has no right hand!" Father Gabriel turned calmly toward me and said, "Mark, you are his right hand." My thoughts turned to Mother Teresa and my own stumbling journey to this place, and conviction followed.

I had been so intent upon making God do my will that I hadn’t even considered following Christ’s insistent call to humble service. The sheer arrogance of my approach to "healing" the spiritual wounds of my community became brutally apparent.

Now, when I leave Mass at the monastery, I can see this statue that still challenges me to continue this lifelong process of dying to self.






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Re: Jesus calls her..."the Woman adorned with the sun"....rebuttal to the demonic anti-mary threads
How about you Catholics just go ahead and worship your goddess and leave Christ out of it altogether. I've seen Papal blessings from the Vatican. The Pope and Mary...nothing mentioned about Christ at all.

So you go ahead...worship her.

Leave Christ to those of us who believe the Bible when it says "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father BUT BY ME!"
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Jesus said mediation between He and the Father not mediation
between us and Himself.
He's God Our Savior, He answers our prayers here and His mother's prayers in Heaven including the saint's prayers to Him for the world. Besides the miraculous evidence of all these prayers answered by Our Lord, it's Scriptural. Read Revelation.
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This makes absolutely no sense. Mediation between He and the Father? "I and my Father are one" Doesn't sound like they needed a mediator.

God answers our prayers. We pray to Him in the name of Jesus Christ, who's death on the cross split the veil and allows us directly into His presence.

Mary didn't do anything but birth a child. She was a normal girl. It took courage and she was obviously a woman of righteousness, but just a normal human girl.

I've read Revelation. Several times.
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The Catholic Church is the "Whore of Babylon" mentioned in Revelation. Any church which claims its leader stands in place of Jesus/God on Earth and has the power to forgive your sins is clearly operating in the spirit of anti-christ. The term meaning 'against Christ'.
As Lester said, Mary is dead and still in the grave awaiting the call from Jesus to arise...along with the rest of the faithful dead. The church urging the congregation to worship Mary instead of keeping an eye on the teachings of Jesus is deluding millions and millions worldwide.
THANK YOU LESTER!!!
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Re: Jesus calls her..."the Woman adorned with the sun"....rebuttal to the demonic anti-mary threads
How about you Catholics just go ahead and worship your goddess and leave Christ out of it altogether. I've seen Papal blessings from the Vatican. The Pope and Mary...nothing mentioned about Christ at all.

So you go ahead...worship her.

Leave Christ to those of us who believe the Bible when it says "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father BUT BY ME!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1113553


Jesus said mediation between He and the Father not mediation
between us and Himself.
He's God Our Savior, He answers our prayers here and His mother's prayers in Heaven including the saint's prayers to Him for the world. Besides the miraculous evidence of all these prayers answered by Our Lord, it's Scriptural. Read Revelation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1214025


This makes absolutely no sense. Mediation between He and the Father? "I and my Father are one" Doesn't sound like they needed a mediator.

God answers our prayers. We pray to Him in the name of Jesus Christ, who's death on the cross split the veil and allows us directly into His presence.

Mary didn't do anything but birth a child. She was a normal girl. It took courage and she was obviously a woman of righteousness, but just a normal human girl.

I've read Revelation. Several times.
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It's a classic Protestant protest you don't even understand
but post any way. If Jesus is the only mediator, no one
else can mediate. What does Jesus do with your prayers.

Why does He accept your prayers but not His mother's prayers
or the holy saints in Heaven's prayers for others?

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1 Tim 2:1-2 - because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate on our behalf. But before Paul's teaching about Jesus as the "one mediator," Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator. Why?

1 Tim 2:3 - because this subordinate mediation is good and acceptable to God our Savior. Because God is our Father and we are His children, God invites us to participate in Christ's role as mediator.

1 Tim. 2:5 - therefore, although Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man, there are many intercessors (subordinate mediators).

1 Cor. 3:9 - God invites us to participate in Christ's work because we are God's "fellow workers" and one family in the body of Christ. God wants His children to participate. The phrase used to describe "fellow workers" is "sunergoi," which literally means synergists, or cooperators with God in salvific matters. Does God need fellow workers? Of course not, but this shows how much He, as Father, loves His children. God wants us to work with Him.
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Re: Jesus calls her..."the Woman adorned with the sun"....rebuttal to the demonic anti-mary threads
The Catholic Church is the "Whore of Babylon" mentioned in Revelation. Any church which claims its leader stands in place of Jesus/God on Earth and has the power to forgive your sins is clearly operating in the spirit of anti-christ. The term meaning 'against Christ'.
As Lester said, Mary is dead and still in the grave awaiting the call from Jesus to arise...along with the rest of the faithful dead. The church urging the congregation to worship Mary instead of keeping an eye on the teachings of Jesus is deluding millions and millions worldwide.
THANK YOU LESTER!!!
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IDIOT....The Church of England is the whore of babylon...because england is the money market.

The Queen has been active for the last 6000 years at least.

Jesus is the catalyst for forgiveness,because the Lord would not forgive and who can be sure that Jesus would forgive those that persecuted his mother.





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