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Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?

 
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Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



Primitive savages? Looks like the Church succeeded in destroying the true history so people wouldn't feel bad about the wholesale destruction of an advanced society and their LIBRARIES of SCIENCE. Good work Christards.
 Quoting: Uggs


And to add... The Mayans had calculated how long it took the earth to go around the sun well before anyone in Europe had.

The knowledge of the ancients has been covered up by the current group of goons trying to enslave us.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
you get my drift though,People seem to believe that in someway these ancient tribes knew things that we don't. I don't doubt they thought they knew but really they were ignorant.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


They could do things that we still probably can't do today in the sense of architecture. Like the stone walls at Machu-Picchu. How were the walls built?
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With lots of cheap labour and time. The walls of machu picchu for example have lever holes and were "cut" by huge numbers of people working for a bowl of maise.Easy really, we'd have built them in a week or two it took them centuries.
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Well at least whitey documented the diseases we gave the natives, without those diseases how long, well lets see they can't see, nobody was here
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
who release these uneducated idiots out of the box?
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



Primitive savages? Looks like the Church succeeded in destroying the true history so people wouldn't feel bad about the wholesale destruction of an advanced society and their LIBRARIES of SCIENCE. Good work Christards.
 Quoting: Uggs


And to add... The Mayans had calculated how long it took the earth to go around the sun well before anyone in Europe had.

The knowledge of the ancients has been covered up by the current group of goons trying to enslave us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 693969

Look you dope that isn't the point (or true see stonehenge and the celtic culture) We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.
HUSSAR!
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



Primitive savages? Looks like the Church succeeded in destroying the true history so people wouldn't feel bad about the wholesale destruction of an advanced society and their LIBRARIES of SCIENCE. Good work Christards.
 Quoting: Uggs


And to add... The Mayans had calculated how long it took the earth to go around the sun well before anyone in Europe had.

The knowledge of the ancients has been covered up by the current group of goons trying to enslave us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 693969

Look you dope that isn't the point (or true see stonehenge and the celtic culture) We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


You exhibit the ignorance of the common lay person.
Ask any specialist in any advanced field of science and they will all tell you, to a man, that in the final analysis they really know very, very, little of their field of study and the more eminent they are, the more so this will be said.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
As a scientist I consider them to be ignorant fuckwits.
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so....explain why Ancient Arkaim is built almost exactly like this diagram of the almost exact Higgs-Boson released by FERMI Lab in 2008 ??

:arkkaim:

:tevyone:


'course the pictures need to be made into a 'mirror image' as well to see the precision....
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
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The knowledge of the ancients has been covered up by the current group of goons trying to enslave us.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

Look you dope that isn't the point (or true see stonehenge and the celtic culture) We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.

How do you know that we know more about nature than the ancients? That is an crude assumption on your part because you really don't know what ancient men knew.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



Primitive savages? Looks like the Church succeeded in destroying the true history so people wouldn't feel bad about the wholesale destruction of an advanced society and their LIBRARIES of SCIENCE. Good work Christards.
 Quoting: Uggs


And to add... The Mayans had calculated how long it took the earth to go around the sun well before anyone in Europe had.

The knowledge of the ancients has been covered up by the current group of goons trying to enslave us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 693969

Look you dope that isn't the point (or true see stonehenge and the celtic culture) We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


You think we know more but if we aren't sure what they knew, you can't really make that statement.

They knew how long it took the earth to go around the sun far before western culture/science. In Europe, they still thought the world was flat.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
you get my drift though,People seem to believe that in someway these ancient tribes knew things that we don't. I don't doubt they thought they knew but really they were ignorant.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


They could do things that we still probably can't do today in the sense of architecture. Like the stone walls at Machu-Picchu. How were the walls built?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 693969

With lots of cheap labour and time. The walls of machu picchu for example have lever holes and were "cut" by huge numbers of people working for a bowl of maise.Easy really, we'd have built them in a week or two it took them centuries.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


Right... That's why even today the scientists have no idea how the walls were put up and the stones were cut with razor precision.

It seems like you really don't know much about what you're discussing. You're saying things that don't seem to be true.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Dumbasses have no knowledge of the way of TruePoo or TruePoo mountin.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



They definitely knew how to live longer and avoid disease, didn't they? Some of my ancestors lived a long time and they didn't die from diseases such as: diabetes; high blood pressure; heart disease; cancers, etc., they died from "natural" cause: old age.

The new stats are out on American longevity: it's DOWN. So much for modern "wisdom".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1177209


Firstly bullshit, maybe very recently but 1000 years ago life span was defo much shorter. As regards all this disease non-sense, in the past cause of death was not categorised. So cancer is not a knew thing its just we know what it is now
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You don't know shit. And keep the shit in your rear-end where it belongs; never makes for good conversation when it's spilling out of the mouth. Toothless shits--I mean brits--THINK they know everything don't they? MANY of MY ancestors (contrary to your lived-short genetically inferior counterparts) lived a damned long time. And NONE of them who lived over 120 years died from any disease (unlike YOURS). Let's hope you follow in your ancestors' footsteps.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
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The knowledge of the ancients has been covered up by the current group of goons trying to enslave us.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

Look you dope that isn't the point (or true see stonehenge and the celtic culture) We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1012750

How do you know that we know more about nature than the ancients? That is an crude assumption on your part because you really don't know what ancient men knew.


Exactly. The only thing these modern know-nothings can do is GUESS, and THEORIZE. They have succeeded at ruining the environment, however. They produce more toxins than the natural environment can sustain or convert, and they wonder why they and their offspring are dying off at such an unprecedented rate from disease.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


putin
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The knowledge of the ancients has been covered up by the current group of goons trying to enslave us.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

Look you dope that isn't the point (or true see stonehenge and the celtic culture) We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1012750

How do you know that we know more about nature than the ancients? That is an crude assumption on your part because you really don't know what ancient men knew.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1177209


Exactly. The only thing these modern know-nothings can do is GUESS, and THEORIZE. They have succeeded at ruining the environment, however. They produce more toxins than the natural environment can sustain or convert, and they wonder why they and their offspring are dying off at such an unprecedented rate from disease.



OP is a dumbass....a really irritating one at that....
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The knowledge of the ancients has been covered up by the current group of goons trying to enslave us.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

Look you dope that isn't the point (or true see stonehenge and the celtic culture) We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1012750

How do you know that we know more about nature than the ancients? That is an crude assumption on your part because you really don't know what ancient men knew.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1177209


Exactly. The only thing these modern know-nothings can do is GUESS, and THEORIZE. They have succeeded at ruining the environment, however. They produce more toxins than the natural environment can sustain or convert, and they wonder why they and their offspring are dying off at such an unprecedented rate from disease.

Not only they and their offspring, but there have been many recent news reports of other life forms on this planet also dying off by the thousands.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



Primitive savages? Looks like the Church succeeded in destroying the true history so people wouldn't feel bad about the wholesale destruction of an advanced society and their LIBRARIES of SCIENCE. Good work Christards.
 Quoting: Uggs


And to add... The Mayans had calculated how long it took the earth to go around the sun well before anyone in Europe had.

The knowledge of the ancients has been covered up by the current group of goons trying to enslave us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 693969

Look you dope that isn't the point (or true see stonehenge and the celtic culture) We KNOW far far more than they ever did about nature and science so why do people insist on basing there knowledge on what some old savages believed.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


Richard you are proving your own words wrong "We know far far more than they ever did? you should read more!
You are the CEO of your own wellness. You need to take back your health from the disease-care system
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
12

who in the hell came up with this here '12' in the first place ??

12 months ?? huh ?? makes no since....
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Originally they were MOON-ths. Then someone decided their calanders just had to be systematic, organized, and set up to comply with idealist principles rather than the reality of nature seen before one's eyes. Someone came up with the stupid idea that the solar years ideally SHOULD have 360 days of 12 Moonths each exactly 30 days long. Reality bites idealism every time.

To me a month is the length of time from one full moon to the next fully moon. That length can vary in actual number of solar days, does not matter, its still a month. But then what do I know, I just the 1/100th gram piss ant in the room.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The entire 2012 thing will go the way of the Y2K thing and all the LaHey false prophecies about end times.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The entire 2012 thing will go the way of the Y2K thing and all the LaHey false prophecies about end times.
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Quite right. The Mooning morans above no fuck all about the world, The mayans knew jack shit compared to modern science(no wonder other No nothings decorate them with knowledge unearned)
The Higgs Boson? oh please. and as for "Your ancestors" living to 125, thats because the morans couldn't count.
HUSSAR!
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
you get my drift though,People seem to believe that in someway these ancient tribes knew things that we don't. I don't doubt they thought they knew but really they were ignorant.
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study.
you'd be surprised how much was known but forgotten. . .
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
there is a lively nutter in chat.
'Support the system, the system supports you.'
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Some Brits are smart
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Perhaps some could enlighten me then? What did they Know about physical science and astronomy that we don't?
HUSSAR!
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The mayans knew jack shit compared to modern science(no wonder other No nothings decorate them with knowledge unearned)
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

And in a few thousand years, archaeologists from some future civilization will dig up one of our libraries and start interpreting our science fiction and will claim that we traveled to distant planets, communicated with aliens and fought off invasions by Romulans, the Galactic Empire and Cylons.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


I know this thread will whither into just another foppish exercise in meaninglessness, however I inclined to add one factoid so it doesn't degrade into pure folly.

I have seen examples of obsidian scalpels recovered from digs at both Tikal and Palenque that were assessed to be sharper and more refined that the best, modern surgical steel available today, and this of course after being buried for several centuries.

How this degree of sharpness was achieved baffles modern researchers.
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Simple take block of obsidian, shatter pick up corrct shaped piece. They use obsidian scalpels in plastic surgery all the time. This is a good example of primitive but sophisticated. Also worthy of note is that steel can be used for cars, cannons, handcuffs, space ships, bayonets, can openers, pencil sharpeners, etc etc etc.

Obsidian can be used for a sharp blade and for a kind of effective sword.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Still I think we would win with steel since its more versatile, still obsidian scalpels are very cool
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see used for scalpels
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
all hail Wiki
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Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

If those people were "primitive savages", what are the current people going to be referred as?
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not really I'd argue that the newagers have over complicted and antropamorphasised these ancient cultures.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

You do the same for the present decadent age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1012750

Not at all. We've been to the moon peered deep into the cosmos, our understanding of nature is acute; hence the advances in Biology,physics,chemestry etc. We're the most knowlegeable culture there has ever been by an immence margin.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

You overrate todays crude methods which are unable to achieve the high level of civilization without spreading filth to all parts of the environment. The water, and land, and the very air we breathe is poisonous because of the crude methods used by people today. What pigs modern men are. The ancients achieved their high civilizations without turning the planet into an open sewer.
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its not the crudeness of our methods just the amountof us that makes pollution, Are you seriously sugesting a FORD family car with a ZETEC engine is cruder than a horse and cart. Horses make allot of shit if we all used them there would be more not less polution.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Without modern distractions, the primitive mind is more likely to study the occult or esoteric.

If the "top surgeon" started to talk about 2012, i would listen to him, too.





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