Judge Roll Targetted in Tucson Shooting

First thought that came to me on the very day it happened.. notice he is the one least talked about.. He lost his life.
Did 0bama bring him up last night??? A moment/30 seconds of silence in memory would have been a nice gesture.

Last Edited by ceawaves on 01/26/2011 04:35 PM

One reason judge Roll might have been killed:

"Judge Roll was just such a fine and ethical and impartial judge. He was everything you'd want a judge to be."

[link to www.youtube.com]

you got it

Ruling by judge Roll:

"In Arizona, U.S. District Court Judge John Roll has become the third federal judge to agree that part of the Brady Law violates the Tenth Amendment The Tenth Amendment to the U.S.

Judge Roll's opinion does not knock out the waiting period for handgun purchases, but it does strike at the very concept of the federal government requiring local law enforcement officers to conduct background checks."

[link to www.thefreelibrary.com]

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Last Edited by Plautus on 01/29/2011 05:26 PM

Roll and other judges overwhelmed by deluge of defendants produced by rising police state:

"Arizona Daily Star, January 5, 2011

Chief judge John M. Roll wants permission to delay bringing felons to trial.

“The addition of what sometimes seems to be an inexhaustible number of law enforcement agents and federal prosecutors in Tucson division has now produced a tsunami of federal felony cases far beyond the management capacity of the four active district judges in Tucson division,” Roll says in Nov. 24, letter to U.S. Court of Appeals Judge Alex Kozinski."

[link to www.amren.com]

Last Edited by Plautus on 01/29/2011 05:26 PM

Case on judge Roll's docket:

"Lemus v. Apker
Petitioner: Demetrius Lemus
Respondent: Lionel C Apker

Case Number: 4:2010cv00559
Filed: September 16, 2010

Court: Arizona District Court
Office: Tucson Division Office
County: Pima
Presiding Judge: John M Roll"

[link to dockets.justia.com]

Last Edited by Plautus on 01/29/2011 05:35 PM

What other cases were on his docket, to be up and coming?

illegal seizure

a result of brief unrecognized attacks that cause lapses of awareness and interferes with attention is unknown.

"On the day he died, Judge John Roll was waiting to speak with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords about getting an additional judge added to the 9th Circuit Court in Arizona. Giffords had been trying to help Roll deal with the massive backlog facing the state's federal courts. Roll's death will only worsen the judicial log jam as Arizona grapples with increased drug and human-trafficking cases stemming from its new immigration law. Just nine federal judges — three fewer than the state is supposed to have and four less than Roll would've liked — will have to tackle the growing caseload."

[link to www.time.com]

Last Edited by Plautus on 01/30/2011 06:59 PM

"The Senate has confirmed only 60 of President Barack Obama's circuit and district court nominees in the past two years. That's compared to the 100 of George W. Bush's and 127 of Bill Clinton's nominees confirmed during the same period. Of the 875 federal judgeships in the country, 101 benches are empty. Forty-nine districts in 16 states have declared judicial emergencies, which allow federal judges to ignore, at least temporarily, the right to a speedy trial. "The situation is unprecedented," Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy said Thursday."

[link to www.time.com]

"But the incident has really magnified the situation confronting the court system and Roll’s successor has declared a judicial emergency.

With a burgeoning caseload and too few federal judges, Roll himself had called for an emergency declaration on November 24, 2010. Judge Roslyn Silver has now picked up where Roll left off and made the declaration with the support of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, allowing courts to delay criminal trials up to six months. Without such a declaration, a defendant must be brought to court within 30 days."

[link to www.allgov.com]

Roll was in the midst of a huge financial and criminal shitstorm:

"In fiscal 2010 the District of Arizona saw a 21 percent increase in case filings. Much of that is due to Operation Streamline, a U.S. Department of Homeland Security initiative to prosecute undocumented immigrants caught trying to cross the border.

Tucson has the largest and most porous section of the U.S.-Mexico border. Last year Border Patrol apprehended more than 200,000 people and seized more than 1 million pounds of marijuana."

[link to www.tucsonsentinel.com]

Frankly it's a miracle more judges haven't been executed. And "ranchers" want to dump even more fuel on this fire:

"Ranchers asking for more border security"

[link to www.trivalleycentral.com]

"Security" is of course a euphemism for more police and soldiers.

"Updated 1/6/2011 12:13 AM

The mother of the U.S. Border Patrol agent who was killed in a shootout near Nogales, Ariz., three weeks ago says she and her family are growing frustrated waiting for details of why or how her son lost his life.

'We don't really know anything yet,' said Josephine Terry, from her home in Flat Rock, Mich.

Brian A. Terry, a 40-year-old member of the U.S. Border Patrol's elite tactical squad known as BORTAC, was gunned down Dec. 14, when his unit confronted suspected bandits in an isolated canyon about 13 miles north of the Mexican border."

[link to www.usatoday.com]

"2011-01-23 14:48:27

Soldiers on patrol Friday found a camp of armed men, who opened fire on them in the state of Tamaulipas, which borders the United States, according to a statement of Mexico's Defense Department.

In the clash, the soldiers killed 10 suspects and seized a rocket launcher, some 20 grenades, two grenade launchers and 24 rifles, the statement said."

[link to english.cri.cn]

Shootouts between "bandits" and US border patrol, then the next month a shootout between heavily armed "suspected drug traffickers" and mexican soldiers. Very peculiar. It'd be naive to think there wasn't some connection.

Is Roll a POW in Arizona's war with the White House?

"Arizona sure has developed a lot of chutzpah in the last year or so. It is something that's normally seen in places like Alaska or Texas. A lot of it has to do with Governor Jan Brewer (R), and the state's Republican-lead legislature, which seems to be speeding through bills like nobodies business.

It is also something that Arizona's residents seem to be enjoying.

First, Arizona gave a giant finger to the White House when it protested against the state's sweeping immigration reform. Next, it's leadership remains steadfast in changing it's broad gun control laws (or lack thereof).

And now, Brewer hopes to boost Arizona's status in national politics by moving it's presidential primary date much sooner than when it is normally held."

[link to www.examiner.com]

"'Federal court officials declared Tuesday a judicial emergency in Arizona - an action U.S. District Judge John M. Roll urged in the weeks before he was killed.

The declaration allows federal courts to delay criminal trials up to six months because of a shortage of judges - a shortage worsened, ironically, by Roll's Jan. 8 shooting death.

As Arizona's chief federal jurist, Roll had written Nov. 24 to a U.S. Court of Appeals judge, asking permission to delay bringing felons to trial. The fact that there are now more than 3,000 Border Patrol officers in the Tucson Sector created 'a tsunami of federal felony cases,' Roll wrote, 'far beyond the management capacity of the four active district judges in Tucson division.'"

[link to azstarnet.com]

Roll's declaration of emergency was sure to provoke law enforcement. It's law enforcement's job to detain people, not the courts. This is how a judge tells the police to shove it.

"St. Odilia Parish, just a few blocks away from the scene of Saturday's shootings, is the parish of the family of Christina Taylor Green, who made her First Communion at the parish last spring. She was a member of the parish children's choir.

St. Odilia Parish is in the Pima North Vicariate, a geographic area of Tucson parishes that also includes St. Thomas the Apostle Parish, the parish of Judge John Roll and his family.

Judge Roll served at St. Thomas the Apostle as a lector."

[link to www.kgun9.com]

"Loughner pleaded not guilty to federal charges of trying to assassinate Giffords and kill two of her aides.

He will likely face state charges in the attack and federal murder charges for the deaths of Giffords aide Gabe Zimmerman and U.S. District Judge John Roll."

[link to www.time.com]

Still hasn't been charged with Roll's death, could it be more obvious that the legal system is being juggled to further the propaganda that Giffords was the target, not Roll.

The Post's Sandhya Somashekhar is in Phoenix and will be live tweeting on the arraignment of alleged shooter Jared Loughner. Loughner is scheduled to appear in federal court Monday at 3:30 p.m. Eastern tine.

Loughner is charged with one count of attempted assassination of a member of Congress, two counts of killing an employee of the federal government and two counts of attempting to kill a federal employee.

Follow Somashekhar's tweets live here:

[link to voices.washingtonpost.com]

Under federal law, the murder or attempted murder of a U.S. official, such as a judge, is only considered a federal crime if committed "while such officer or employee is engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties." In other words, if Roll simply stopped by the event to greet Giffords, who he's said to have been friendly with, or due to idle curiosity about what was happening there, his killing probably wouldn't be a federal offense

[link to www.politico.com]

You really need to seek help, OPie...

The blog you cite is dated January 9, and it's obviously wrong, in light of more contemporary reports that starkly contradict it, like the following dated today:

"Loughner pleaded not guilty to federal charges of trying to assassinate Giffords and kill two of her aides.

He will likely face state charges in the attack and federal murder charges for the deaths of Giffords aide Gabe Zimmerman and U.S. District Judge John Roll."

[link to www.time.com]

The state charges are suspended until the federal charges are disposed. Also, eat my ass, you fucking troll.

Last Edited by Plautus on 02/04/2011 09:26 PM

You really need to eat my ass, you fucking troll. Do we really have to go through this again or will you just slink away now?

"Loughner is charged with attempted assassination of a member of Congress in connection with the wounding of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, and with two counts of attempted murder of a federal employee in the wounding of Giffords’ aides Ron Barber and Pam Simon. The shootings occurred Jan. 8 outside a supermarket on Tucson’s northwest side.

More federal charges are expected to be filed, including those alleging Loughner murdered U.S. District Court Judge John M. Roll and congressional aide Gabe Zimmerman."

[link to azstarnet.com]

"In other developments, U.S. Attorney Dennis K. Burke and Pima County Attorney Barbara LaWall announced the federal case against Loughner must come before any proceedings in state court.

LaWall has said she intends to seek an indictment against Loughner for not only the federal employees killed or injured in the attack, but for the civilian victims, including those who died: Christina-Taylor Green, 9; Dorwan Stoddard, 76; Phyllis Schneck, 79; and Dorothy Morris, 76.

In a joint news release, Burke and LaWall said the statute governing Giffords’ shooting says state and local jurisdictions must suspend their prosecution until after the federal case is over."

[link to azstarnet.com]

"In addition to the charges for the attempted murder of Giffords and her aides, federal charges are expected to be filed for the murders of federal judge John Roll and Giffords' aide Gabe Zimmerman."

This is from an article propagated by a popular syndicated news service.

"Loughner, who faces three Federal charges including Attempted Assassination of a Member of Congress, will remain in the custody of United State Marshals until the Federal case is completed.

Arizona state charges will be filed by the Pima County Attorney's Office as soon as Loughner is released to them, according to a report."

[link to www.abc15.com]

I think he was THE target. Giffords and the 9/11 girl were either window dressing or elements of a "ritual" if you ascribe to the more woo woo theories out there.

Interesting.

You got pwnd yet again...

Sucks to be you, huh?

The only thing you "own" is your shame, and you have a tenuous grasp on that, see how easily I've ripped it from you and waved it around for all to see. Eat my ass, you fucking troll. You're wrong. Loughner has only been indicted for three charges, none of which have anything to do with Roll, so suck a dick, dumbfuck.

Last Edited by Plautus on 02/05/2011 09:01 AM

Well, our resident Chemtrail Shill has now graced at least two threads regarding this incident.

Moonlighting Snake?

Flunked the 'Reading Comprehension' section of your SAT's, eh Scrote?

It clearly says that Loughner can not be charged federally for Roll's death, unless it is determined that the Judge was acting in an official capacity...

The Federal Prosecutor obviously is leaning towards letting the State charge Loughner in that death, or he would have already filed charges...

As I said:

pwnd