Judge Roll Targetted in Tucson Shooting

Oh look!

A fanboy!

Grab me a bottle of water, will ya?

There's a good lad...

You're a dumbfuck. You cite "politico dot com", I cited federal law, jackass. There is no requirement of being "on the job" for the assassination of a judge to be federally prosecuted. In fact they've already filed federal charges for two murders, but they have not yet gotten INDICTMENTS for them. Learn to fucking read, idiot. Your Google summary "research" is pathetic but all too common on the internet. Maybe if you spent thirty seconds reading instead of three you'd not embarrass yourself so much.

You certainly didn't "cite" federal law in this thread, Jethro...

As for your silly "charges" vs. "indictments" bullshit, you are so far out of your ken on this issue, it is beyond funny...All I can do is shake my head...

A person can not be "charged" Federally without an "indictment" being handed down by a Grand Jury...

Loughner WAS being held in custody on a 'criminal complaint'...The feds had 30 days to indict...As I said before, the prosecutor may indeed bring more charges, and is in fact expected to seek indictment for the death of Gabe Zimmerman, as he was a Giffords aide who was also WORKING...The prosecutor may also attempt to get an indictment for the killing of Roll, and may well get one...However proving his case will be difficult if the law is actually read to the jury...

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 51 > § 1114
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§ 1114. Protection of officers and employees of the United States
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Whoever kills or attempts to kill any officer or employee of the United States or of any agency in any branch of the United States Government (including any member of the uniformed services) while such officer or employee is engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties, or any person assisting such an officer or employee in the performance of such duties or on account of that assistance, shall be punished—
(1) in the case of murder, as provided under section 1111;
(2) in the case of manslaughter, as provided under section 1112; or
(3) in the case of attempted murder or manslaughter, as provided in section 1113.




pwnd yet again little-brain...

You haven't "pwned" anything, all you've done is prove what an idiot you are. Loughner has not been indicted for killing Roll, though he has been charged, get that through your thick skull, jackass. There are currently zero cases before any court concerning the murder of anyone in this incident, Loughner has been indicted for attempted murder, but not Roll's murder, which if you think about it is like giving the Nobel prize for attempted physics.

You really are a dumb mother fucker, and you prove that with every post. Not only do you not have a complete grasp of the facts here, you routinely misapply what you do know. Stop incorrecting me, dipshit, you suck at it.

Oh, also, eat my ass, you fucking troll.

Last Edited by Plautus on 02/05/2011 03:32 PM

My nick isn't Jethro, shitbag, it's Plautus. Learn to read, dumbfuck. And not to put too fine a point on it, but here's how incomplete your "legal analysis" has been so far:

"(a) Whoever kills any individual who is a Member of Congress or a Member-of-Congress-elect, a member of the executive branch of the Government who is the head, or a person nominated to be head during the pendency of such nomination, of a department listed in section 101 of title 5 or the second ranking official in such department, the Director (or a person nominated to be Director during the pendency of such nomination) or Deputy Director of Central Intelligence, a major Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate (as defined in section 3056 of this title), or a Justice of the United States, as defined in section 451 of title 28, or a person nominated to be a Justice of the United States, during the pendency of such nomination, shall be punished as provided by sections 1111 and 1112 of this title.

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(c) Whoever attempts to kill or kidnap any individual designated in subsection (a) of this section shall be punished by imprisonment for any term of years or for life."

Thread: Loughner's defense (Page 14)

Utter and complete bullshit, Sparky...

As I said...You are out of your ken...

And out of your 'mind', and I use that term loosely...

There are only nine "Justices of the United States", Cletus...

Because you prove you are incapable of the simplest legal research, here is the 'definition' of "Justice" fur ye, Jethro:

TITLE 28 > PART I > CHAPTER 21 > § 451
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§ 451. Definitions
As used in this title:

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The term “justice of the United States” includes the Chief Justice of the United States and the associate justices of the Supreme Court.

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

My nick isn't Cletus, moron, it's Plautus. Eat my ass, you fucking troll, you're still wrong, Loughner hasn't been indicted for any crime in connection with Roll's death, regardless of your spastic gyrations.

Whoop de do, the law still applies, Loughner was charged with Roll's murder but has yet to be indicted. He hasn't faced any such charges in court yet and has been offered no opportunity to plead to those charges. Get that through your thick skull, moron.

Oh, also, eat my ass, you fucking troll.

Last Edited by Plautus on 02/05/2011 05:49 PM

The police routinely kill with impunity using energy weapons:

"In doing so, Firman struck another officer ; when it appeared he was advancing on the first officer, he was hit by a conductive energy weapon -- otherwise known as a Taser.

Firman died at the scene of cardiac arrythmia brought on by the use of the weapon on an individual in an agitated state, according to the coroner. The province's Special Investigations Unit has cleared the subject officer of any wrongdoing, though SIU director Ian Scott has pointed the blame for Firman's death on the use of the Taser."

[link to www.theenterprisebulletin.com]

I've explained twice, and cited the law...

There is NO federal charge (yet) on the Roll murder, and the prosecutor can not "charge" Loughner till a Grand Jury hands down an "Indictment"...

Sorry you are just not capable of comprehending the utter shite you spew...



Last Edited by SnakeAirlines on 02/07/2011 08:30 AM

Yeah you've stated two different things now, one that Loughner has been charged with murdering John Roll, a fact I hadn't seen in the news up to that point but you cited a source for it so from that I concluded perhaps the police had originally filed those charges but no indictment was forthcoming. You keep contradicting yourself, first he's charged, then he's indicted, then he's not charged and not indicted, make up your mind, moron.

Sore-Loser Obama Plans To Seize Your Savings Accounts
This is for what Top US Federal Judge, John McCarthy Roll, died trying to stop:

“Should the Obama administration win their argument to seize their citizen’s money by Executive Order without having to abide by the law was made more chilling this past week when reports emerged from the US stating that President Obama and his regime allies were, indeed, preparing to rule America by decree SINCE THEIR LOSS this past November of their control over the US House of Representatives . . .”
Continued Here: [link to www.eutimes.net]

IT GETS WORSE:
“The most chilling of these powers Obama has asserted for himself, however, are contained in Executive Order 13528 he signed nearly a year ago (January 10, 2010) creating a Council of Governors he has hand-picked to rule over the United States in place of its elected representatives . . .
Continued Here: [link to www.eutimes.net]

OBAMA, THE ASSASSINATOR, DESTROYS US COMPLETELY:
“Since taking office in early 2009, Obama has completely overturned the once free United States through his use of Executive Orders that asserts his power to put anyone he wants in prison without charges or trial forever and his right to assassinate any American citizen he deems a threat“.

“The most chilling of these powers Obama has asserted for himself, however, are contained in Executive Order 13528 he signed . . .”
Continued Here: [link to www.eutimes.net]

You are the one that insists he has been charged, but not indicted...I never said any such thing, Sparky...

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Nowhere have I ever said that Loughner has been "charged" for Roll's murder...

You have been pwned yet again...

Don't you ever get tired of being humiliated publicly like this?

Now now children...

Liar.

Strange you can't quote me then, eh?

"February 13, 2011 12:17 p.m. EST

Jared Lee Loughner is accused of opening fire at a Tucson supermarket in January, leaving six dead and 13 injured.

The motion to dismiss the charges was filed Friday."

[link to www.cnn.com]

I wonder if he'll ever be charged for "opening fire".

Last Edited by Plautus on 02/13/2011 05:29 PM

"The Roll and Zimmerman deaths were charged as part of a criminal complaint used to hold Loughner in the federal system soon after his arrest for the January 8 shooting rampage. However, Roll and Zimmerman were not mentioned in the indictment a federal grand jury returned on January 19. Only the attempted killings of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), and aides Ron Barber and Pamela Simon, were charged in the indictment."

[link to www.politico.com]

"It was not immediately clear why the Roll and Zimmerman charges in the complaint were being formally dropped by prosecutors but one possibility is that leaving them in place might have allowed defense laywers to seek a preliminary hearing on those charges. At such a hearing, prosecutors might have to publicly air evidence and theories of the case that they might wish to modify at trial. It's also possible leaving the counts of the complaint pending but unindicted might have raise some speedy trial issues."

[link to www.politico.com]

I'll add my own reasonably informed speculation to this laundry list of guesses offered on one blog:

It's also possible federal law enforcement and judicial employees were instructed to dismiss the murder charges, using any or all of the excuses listed above, but with the real reason to further remove the ASSASSINATION of judge Roll from public view so the only focus will be on Giffords and her "miraculous" recovery.

This also avoids "double jeopardy", allowing Arizona to administer a lethal injection for a murder conviction. This is perhaps the most crucial part.

Another thing you have to wonder about. Why is a self-declared Conservative hanging around with a bunch a Liberals at a Liberal event?

Perhaps the self labled Conservative was really a Liberal!

Or, maybe he was just there asking directions to the liberary...

Might be time to take a real hard look at some of the people who conveniently lable themselves as Conservatives and see what the are really up to.



(Liberals ARE Subversives)



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Maybe because:

1. the young man in custody is not the shooter of these two based upon bullet caliber or bullet markings; or

2. they do not apply the laws equally to Conservatives in that jurisdiction. (yes this happens).



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"Loughner, 22, pleaded not guilty to an indictment for the attempted killing of Giffords and two other members of her staff at a Jan. 8 community meeting outside a Tucson supermarket. While separately charged in a complaint with the killing of Roll and Zimmerman at the meeting, Loughner hasn’t been indicted on those counts.

Federal law requires a defendant be indicted before a case may proceed, giving prosecutors 30 days to seek one from a grand jury."

[link to www.businessweek.com]

I pointed that out at least once in your "defense" thread, but hey...

Nice "find"...

This article was just posted yesterday, so no, you never have posted it. Oh, also, eat my ass, you fucking troll.

Last Edited by Plautus on 02/16/2011 05:03 AM

No one said anything about that specific article, Einstein...Read the bold part, and then try again...

You've been on several different sides of this issue, you've added nothing but noise to any of my threads (and any threads on this whole mother fucking forum as far as I can tell) and you're a fucking imbecile on top of it.

Oh, also, eat my ass, you fucking troll.

You are so full of shit...