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Origen, "the most prominent of the church fathers with the possible exception of Augustine," taught the pre-existence of the soul. (Encyclopedia Britannica)

In AD 553, the Emperor Justinian convinced the pope to convene the Council of Constantinople which condemned the ideas of Origen. Those who continued to believe in pre-existence and rebirth were persecuted, and this campaign of slaughter effectively forced the concept underground.

Had it not been for the council, the Christian Church might well have been teaching pre-existence and rebirth as a basic doctrine all these years.

"Jesus said, 'If they say to you, From where have you originated? say to them, 'We have come from the Light, where the Light has originated through itself.'" (The Book of Thomas, Nag Hammadi Texts)

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." (Jer 1:5)

The above is a biblical implication that we existed in some form before we were born!!

John the Baptist was the reincarnated Elijah!!

Matthew 11: 11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12: And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13: For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14: And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15: He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

John the Baptist, the prophet that was the herald of Jesus, had been the Jewish Ninth Century B.C. prophet Elijah. "...For all the prophets and the Law foretold things to come until John appeared, and John is the destined Elijah, if you will but accept it.."


Even your Jesus and apostles knew reincarnation is how it works!!

The blind man who wasn't a sinner!!
John 9:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents....

In asking why he WAS BORN BLIND the apostles was asking what did he do (his sin) in a previous life to be born blind!!

Preparing to Be Reborn

I was given a time limit in heaven right from the start. The days were much longer there; I had 77 of them in which to relax before I incarnated once again. I judge this to be at least 10 years on Earth, because I was allowed to "peek" at my current mother's life as it progressed.

My first view of her was when she was about twenty years old. I periodically checked up on her for the rest of my time in heaven, getting to know her before I was born as her daughter (she had me when she was thirty-four).

I actually knew her in spirit, of course, but as spirits we're sometimes very different from our earthly selves. I was trying to become familiar with her human personality in this life, which was formed from a great deal of hardship, as I observed while there.

Even though I had hand-selected my new life, I was literally counting the days until I could return to human form. It's hard to leave a comfortable home for an uncertain future! And surprisingly, that is very much emphasized in heaven: you never know what might happen on Earth.

There's a dark place, like a cave, where spirits go to fall toward their incarnate life. Before you enter, a group surrounds you, blessing you and praying that everything will go as it was divinely planned. But of course, there are no guarantees.

The falling itself didn't scare me - it's like going down a dark, nondescript elevator shaft with different levels flashing by. On occasion your soul stops at some level to be "tinkered with," to be adjusted to life in a physical world or to have your memory blocked. One of these "tinkerers" asked me nervously if I was absolutely sure I wanted to do this. And I told him yes. I was excited to be living again.

[link to www.beyondreligion.com]

Reincarnation is how it works on this planet, there is no hell!!


Michael Newton - Past Life Regression 1 of 5
[link to www.youtube.com]



Michael Newton - Past Life Regression 2 of 5
[link to www.youtube.com]



Michael Newton - Past Life Regression 3 of 5
[link to www.youtube.com]



Michael Newton - Past Life Regression 4 of 5
[link to www.youtube.com]



Michael Newton - Past Life Regression 5 of 5
[link to www.youtube.com]


Reincarnation Stories
[link to www.beyondreligion.com]

Near Death Experience Research Foundation
[link to www.nderf.org]

Gilgul, Gilgulim and Reincarnation
[link to emol.org]

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"Jesus said, 'If they say to you, From where have you originated? say to them, 'We have come from the Light, where the Light has originated through itself.'" (The Book of Thomas, Nag Hammadi Texts)
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Now we're getting somewhere! thumbs
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And you really KNOW how it works ??

We are extremely ignorant as a species about the realities of life in this universe much less the spiritual realm.

You may think you know, or you may have faith, but believe me you don't have a clue.

Get ready for a big surprise.
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the gaytheists sure are obsessed with God ... for supposedly not believing in Him.
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TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Disbelief does not equal the discontinuation of reality!!

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Reincarnation is a dumb idea imo
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And you really KNOW how it works ??

We are extremely ignorant as a species about the realities of life in this universe much less the spiritual realm.

You may think you know, or you may have faith, but believe me you don't have a clue.

Get ready for a big surprise.
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hmm. i remember the place before i was born. i remember other times. are ye trying to say i should pay no attention to my own experiences and just "trust" ye?
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Reincarnation is a dumb idea imo
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I suppose one short life span to get it right, and then an eternal torment if not, this makes more sense?

I don't think so!!



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Reincarnation is a dumb idea imo
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I suppose one short life span to get it right, and then an eternal torment if not, this makes more sense?

I don't think so!!



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Reincarnation beats hellfire, but getting it perfect beats reincarnation.
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Reincarnation is a dumb idea imo
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I suppose one short life span to get it right, and then an eternal torment if not, this makes more sense?

I don't think so!!



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Reincarnation beats hellfire, but getting it perfect beats reincarnation.
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You'll get no argument from me on that!!

But nobody gets it perfect the first time!!

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Ye must be born again...
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Reincarnation is a dumb idea imo
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what makes it dumb?
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Reincarnation is a dumb idea imo
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???
What's dumb about coming back and re-living your life to fix your mistakes from a past one.


IMO...

Thinking that Loving caring God/father would give his children only one chance to do good or he would banish them all to eternity in hell is a pretty stupid opinion.....
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If you don't get your lessons, you get to take the class again......:(
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Reincarnation is a dumb idea imo
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what makes it dumb?
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Less rank speculation, more action!

Besides, we should be autonomous beings with the sovereignty to exist on our own merits, as perfected individuals.
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And you really KNOW how it works ??

We are extremely ignorant as a species about the realities of life in this universe much less the spiritual realm.

You may think you know, or you may have faith, but believe me you don't have a clue.

Get ready for a big surprise.
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hmm. i remember the place before i was born. i remember other times. are ye trying to say i should pay no attention to my own experiences and just "trust" ye?
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Sorry I dont want to bring anybody down, these are just my take on the human species so take them with a grain of salt.

The mortal experience happens in our minds.
100% of it.
All of it.

Just because you think you remember an event pre birth or an event from yesterday does not mean it actually happened.
Studies have shown that humans can not tell the difference between reality and a false or suggested memory.

I have a friend that was schizophrenic that used to sit on a park bench and watch monsters walk by all day and he thought they were real too.

Were they actually there ??
I dont know. Maybe for him, but not for me or maybe I just could not tap into his sense of reality.

People just try to reduce truth in reality to a simple
formula and there is nothing simple about IMO.

Born Die born die born over and over again until you get it right ?? Maybe for some but not for everybody IMO. Boring anyway.

Got into a discussion with a friend about all of these physicist trying to define the laws of universe with mathematical formulas developed in the material world, but my question was if God is infinite and or the universe is infinite how can you solve the big riddle with a finite formula.

Yes I believe in Karma and I think you could be reincarnated, but I also think you could go to heaven or hell or maybe to a totally different reality that is so far from our comprehension we could not even discuss it here logically.

Us humans, our experience, our souls, the universe and the spirit of universal life is not black and white.
It has an infinite number of shades of gray, so I just dont think you can put our existence in a box and put a label it.

The 64 million dollar question everybody wants to know is why are we here, and that too IMO has a multitude of answers so deep we can not comprehend but a small part of it.

One thing I do believe is that as a species on this earth we are special, but we just dont know why yet.

More lately I am beginning to believe we create a large part of your own destiny/reality through faith.
If believe in reincarnation and you want to be reborn you will.
If you want to move on to heaven you will.
If you are inherently evil and pact with the devil and resign yourself to hell, well you will probably go there.

Unfortunately the human experience is so limited in understanding that we really only have our faith to rely on.
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If you don't get your lessons, you get to take the class again......:(
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...and fail over and over and over again. I like the idea of cosmic capital punishment for underachievers. Limited space on the planet you know..
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List of bad ideas--

1.create multiple religions each saying it is right the others are wrong
2.send people to hell for all eternity (even the courts give you time off for good behaviour)for a lifetime of "sin"
3.define "sin" as eating a fruit from a tree-eating a pig-drinking alcohol-having sex(for some reason other species on earth are not covered by this one)-killing,unless it is at the request of the political leadership of the group
4.reincarnation-if and only if I cant remember my past lives to learn from them.

HT I always love your posts.
And I agree that reincarnation is the rule-even though I can't remember past lives.But my take on this is as follows-eternity in hell for a lifetime of "sin" or eternity in heaven for a lifetime of prayer is just silly and unfair.So thats out
I have had enough strange -very strange-events occur that I realize that there is more to life than physical reality.Again reincarnation works in this picture.

However-I do not think reincarnation is a good deal for us.
I view it as a form of slavery.We HAVE to come back HERE?
Why can't I reincarnate on a planet that actually has sane people-sane policies on it?
We keep coming back to this place and deal with the same problems we always had because the GAME is RIGGED.

No one person can change the system or create a a system that works for all humanity without either getting shot or the designed system getting absorbed into the grand game.

Its rigged.And not in our favor.
So while I agree with reincarnation-I do not think its as benign as people make it out to be.
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I met a man in NY who told me that he knew me and my brother in many of our past lives.

When I asked him about myself in past lives, he said that I was always something of a black widow. I took offense at this, however, now some 20 years later.

The father of my kids is in prison for stalking me and when he gets out, he will make an attempt on my life.

So, kind of makes me wonder. It does seem to be lining up that way in this life.
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List of bad ideas--

1.create multiple religions each saying it is right the others are wrong
2.send people to hell for all eternity (even the courts give you time off for good behaviour)for a lifetime of "sin"
3.define "sin" as eating a fruit from a tree-eating a pig-drinking alcohol-having sex(for some reason other species on earth are not covered by this one)-killing,unless it is at the request of the political leadership of the group
4.reincarnation-if and only if I cant remember my past lives to learn from them.

HT I always love your posts.
And I agree that reincarnation is the rule-even though I can't remember past lives.But my take on this is as follows-eternity in hell for a lifetime of "sin" or eternity in heaven for a lifetime of prayer is just silly and unfair.So thats out
I have had enough strange -very strange-events occur that I realize that there is more to life than physical reality.Again reincarnation works in this picture.

However-I do not think reincarnation is a good deal for us.
I view it as a form of slavery.We HAVE to come back HERE?
Why can't I reincarnate on a planet that actually has sane people-sane policies on it?
We keep coming back to this place and deal with the same problems we always had because the GAME is RIGGED.

No one person can change the system or create a a system that works for all humanity without either getting shot or the designed system getting absorbed into the grand game.

Its rigged.And not in our favor.
So while I agree with reincarnation-I do not think its as benign as people make it out to be.
 Quoting: Dervish


I don't like the Idea of reincarnation over and over again either, especially with memories erased or stolen, but I'll take it over the eternal torment BS!!

I personally think Earth's astral realm has been taken over by dark forces, and uses reincarnation to keep us here as slaves, which isn't what its intended design was to be used for!!

So yes, its been rigged!!

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Reincarnation contradicts resurrection and is lie of Satan to cause confusion.
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List of bad ideas--

1.create multiple religions each saying it is right the others are wrong
2.send people to hell for all eternity (even the courts give you time off for good behaviour)for a lifetime of "sin"
3.define "sin" as eating a fruit from a tree-eating a pig-drinking alcohol-having sex(for some reason other species on earth are not covered by this one)-killing,unless it is at the request of the political leadership of the group
4.reincarnation-if and only if I cant remember my past lives to learn from them.

HT I always love your posts.
And I agree that reincarnation is the rule-even though I can't remember past lives.But my take on this is as follows-eternity in hell for a lifetime of "sin" or eternity in heaven for a lifetime of prayer is just silly and unfair.So thats out
I have had enough strange -very strange-events occur that I realize that there is more to life than physical reality.Again reincarnation works in this picture.

However-I do not think reincarnation is a good deal for us.
I view it as a form of slavery.We HAVE to come back HERE?
Why can't I reincarnate on a planet that actually has sane people-sane policies on it?
We keep coming back to this place and deal with the same problems we always had because the GAME is RIGGED.

No one person can change the system or create a a system that works for all humanity without either getting shot or the designed system getting absorbed into the grand game.

Its rigged.And not in our favor.
So while I agree with reincarnation-I do not think its as benign as people make it out to be.
 Quoting: Dervish


Why? Nobody is forcing you to reincarnate. We come back out of the desire to prove we can overcome our weaknesses and shortcomings. Trust me, the end result is worth it. I'd come back here a million times if that's what it took...
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Reincarnation contradicts resurrection and is lie of Satan to cause confusion.
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I guess that makes your Jesus a liar when he said John the Baptist used to be Elijah!!
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