Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. | |
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User ID: 1264574 United States 03/18/2011 03:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. Foam would lock the heat in. It insulates. I sure hope the people in your everyday life don't rely on you too often for problem solving. Peak Oil, Peak Civilization, Peak EVERYTHING People who don't believe in peak oil fall into 3 categories: Uninformed. In denial. Too stupid to understand it. Which one are you? |
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User ID: 1264574 United States 03/18/2011 03:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. oh good grief Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1293190this isn't a carbon-based fire it is a nuclear-based fire now go do more homework That's right. Nuclear reactions do not need oxygen to burn Peak Oil, Peak Civilization, Peak EVERYTHING People who don't believe in peak oil fall into 3 categories: Uninformed. In denial. Too stupid to understand it. Which one are you? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1118858 Malaysia 03/18/2011 03:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. If they only use small amount of water each time, more and more water vapor will bring the radioactive particle into the air and sky. Think people. Isn't this logical thinking? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1293190 United States 03/18/2011 03:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. They needed to poor in concrete like the experts did in Chernobyl, but they wanted to save there precious over due reactors/plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283030encasing very hot objects in concrete is a very bad idea which is why they need to cool them down to a manageable level before they even think about encasing them in anything and besides... concrete is placed in a wet condition and requires time to "cure" and harden in place. before it could do that (it takes 24 hours or more in the best of conditions and 30 days to reach its "ultimate strength"), the water would boil off and you wouldn't have concrete, you'd have a pile of sand, cement and aggregate (rocks). |
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User ID: 1264574 United States 03/18/2011 03:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. You used the word "think" way too many times for your intellect to back up. Peak Oil, Peak Civilization, Peak EVERYTHING People who don't believe in peak oil fall into 3 categories: Uninformed. In denial. Too stupid to understand it. Which one are you? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1118858 Malaysia 03/18/2011 03:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. So that Youtube video is proof of what they should do in Japan? You should email it to them immediately!!!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1301841Of course this is just a simple video. But don't you think what I am saying here make sense? |
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User ID: 1264574 United States 03/18/2011 03:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. They needed to poor in concrete like the experts did in Chernobyl, but they wanted to save there precious over due reactors/plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283030encasing very hot objects in concrete is a very bad idea which is why they need to cool them down to a manageable level before they even think about encasing them in anything and besides... concrete is placed in a wet condition and requires time to "cure" and harden in place. before it could do that (it takes 24 hours or more in the best of conditions and 30 days to reach its "ultimate strength"), the water would boil off and you wouldn't have concrete, you'd have a pile of sand, cement and aggregate (rocks). don't forget that concrete actually gives off heat as it cures. Peak Oil, Peak Civilization, Peak EVERYTHING People who don't believe in peak oil fall into 3 categories: Uninformed. In denial. Too stupid to understand it. Which one are you? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1293190 United States 03/18/2011 03:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. Think about it. If you heat up a frying pan without any oil in it, and then pour just a small amount of water on it. It will instantly turned into water vapor and go up to the sky. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1118858If they only use small amount of water each time, more and more water vapor will bring the radioactive particle into the air and sky. Think people. Isn't this logical thinking? it is. more water would certainly be better right now, but the problem they are having is getting close enough to do that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1293190 United States 03/18/2011 03:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. don't forget that concrete actually gives off heat as it cures. Quoting: Jebuscorrect, thanks. concrete encasement will be the last step in the process, and i predict it won't happen for a decade. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1301841 Australia 03/18/2011 03:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. So that Youtube video is proof of what they should do in Japan? You should email it to them immediately!!!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1301841Of course this is just a simple video. But don't you think what I am saying here make sense? Well one of the things you said is, "Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead.". Do you think that video is proof of what will happen if they pour water on the reactors? Do you think it makes sense to call that "proof"? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1292354 United States 03/18/2011 03:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. use a few shaven monkeys to do it, yell some insults at them they make sure they internalize it until rage sets in then throw them in then switch to a multi personality of love and compassion being a psychopath that one is and blow a kiss to the monkey as it falling into the uranium heat |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1283030 Netherlands 03/18/2011 03:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. They needed to poor in concrete like the experts did in Chernobyl, but they wanted to save there precious over due reactors/plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283030encasing very hot objects in concrete is a very bad idea which is why they need to cool them down to a manageable level before they even think about encasing them in anything and besides... concrete is placed in a wet condition and requires time to "cure" and harden in place. before it could do that (it takes 24 hours or more in the best of conditions and 30 days to reach its "ultimate strength"), the water would boil off and you wouldn't have concrete, you'd have a pile of sand, cement and aggregate (rocks). LOL, OK mister scientist. How does concrete "cure"/"dry" the best? Yes indeed with HEAT. So how fast do you think this concrete will "cure"/"dry" in a nuclear reactor? Did you know that cooling a reactor with SALT water can have HUGE consequences to? Yet they seemed to do that. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1118858 Malaysia 03/18/2011 03:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. So that Youtube video is proof of what they should do in Japan? You should email it to them immediately!!!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1301841Of course this is just a simple video. But don't you think what I am saying here make sense? Well one of the things you said is, "Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead.". Do you think that video is proof of what will happen if they pour water on the reactors? Do you think it makes sense to call that "proof"? What I meant was water vapor. Go heat up a frying pan and put some water on it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1293190 United States 03/18/2011 03:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. LOL, OK mister scientist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283030How does concrete "cure"/"dry" the best? Yes indeed with HEAT. So how fast do you think this concrete will "cure"/"dry" in a nuclear reactor? Did you know that cooling a reactor with SALT water can have HUGE consequences to? Yet they seemed to do that. The chemical curing process for portland cement concrete requires water. If there is too much heat, the process does not occur, or occurs incompletely, and you are left with a pile of sand, cement and aggregate rock, like I stated. I bet you do not know that when the built Hoover Dam, they installed REFRIGERATION PIPING inside the concrete to circulate coolant thru it as it cured. Why did they go thru that trouble? Because the "heat of hydration" of the concrete WAS ENOUGH TO INTERRUPT THE CURING PROCESS. It was evaporating the water content too quickly. By cooling the concrete and wicking away the heat of hydration, it was able to cure properly to its design strength. OK, mister scientist? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1118858 Malaysia 03/18/2011 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. Foam would smother it and cause it to blow cause to much heat water is to cool it not put it out its not on fire Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1131751But won't the water vapor bring the radioactive particle into the air and sky? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1301841 Australia 03/18/2011 03:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. Foam would smother it and cause it to blow cause to much heat water is to cool it not put it out its not on fire Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1131751But won't the water vapor bring the radioactive particle into the air and sky? Yes but there would be even more particles if they just let it burn. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1283030 Netherlands 03/18/2011 03:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. LOL, OK mister scientist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283030How does concrete "cure"/"dry" the best? Yes indeed with HEAT. So how fast do you think this concrete will "cure"/"dry" in a nuclear reactor? Did you know that cooling a reactor with SALT water can have HUGE consequences to? Yet they seemed to do that. The chemical curing process for portland cement concrete requires water. If there is too much heat, the process does not occur, or occurs incompletely, and you are left with a pile of sand, cement and aggregate rock, like I stated. I bet you do not know that when the built Hoover Dam, they installed REFRIGERATION PIPING inside the concrete to circulate coolant thru it as it cured. Why did they go thru that trouble? Because the "heat of hydration" of the concrete WAS ENOUGH TO INTERRUPT THE CURING PROCESS. It was evaporating the water content too quickly. By cooling the concrete and wicking away the heat of hydration, it was able to cure properly to its design strength. OK, mister scientist? So the OPTION of adding WATER to "curing" concrete never occurred to you? Seriously it never did? |
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User ID: 1264574 United States 03/18/2011 03:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. They needed to poor in concrete like the experts did in Chernobyl, but they wanted to save there precious over due reactors/plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283030encasing very hot objects in concrete is a very bad idea which is why they need to cool them down to a manageable level before they even think about encasing them in anything and besides... concrete is placed in a wet condition and requires time to "cure" and harden in place. before it could do that (it takes 24 hours or more in the best of conditions and 30 days to reach its "ultimate strength"), the water would boil off and you wouldn't have concrete, you'd have a pile of sand, cement and aggregate (rocks). LOL, OK mister scientist. How does concrete "cure"/"dry" the best? Yes indeed with HEAT. So how fast do you think this concrete will "cure"/"dry" in a nuclear reactor? Did you know that cooling a reactor with SALT water can have HUGE consequences to? Yet they seemed to do that. OK, you are a fucking moron and should just shut the fuck up and let the adults talk. Saltwater actually helps draw the heat out of the rods. The only problem is that it renders them useless, which is not a small matter when you look at the costs of one rod. You and the OP are pretty much on the same level of stupidity. Peak Oil, Peak Civilization, Peak EVERYTHING People who don't believe in peak oil fall into 3 categories: Uninformed. In denial. Too stupid to understand it. Which one are you? |
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User ID: 1264574 United States 03/18/2011 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. LOL, OK mister scientist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283030How does concrete "cure"/"dry" the best? Yes indeed with HEAT. So how fast do you think this concrete will "cure"/"dry" in a nuclear reactor? Did you know that cooling a reactor with SALT water can have HUGE consequences to? Yet they seemed to do that. The chemical curing process for portland cement concrete requires water. If there is too much heat, the process does not occur, or occurs incompletely, and you are left with a pile of sand, cement and aggregate rock, like I stated. I bet you do not know that when the built Hoover Dam, they installed REFRIGERATION PIPING inside the concrete to circulate coolant thru it as it cured. Why did they go thru that trouble? Because the "heat of hydration" of the concrete WAS ENOUGH TO INTERRUPT THE CURING PROCESS. It was evaporating the water content too quickly. By cooling the concrete and wicking away the heat of hydration, it was able to cure properly to its design strength. OK, mister scientist? So the OPTION of adding WATER to "curing" concrete never occurred to you? Seriously it never did? You are a dumb fuck too. Peak Oil, Peak Civilization, Peak EVERYTHING People who don't believe in peak oil fall into 3 categories: Uninformed. In denial. Too stupid to understand it. Which one are you? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1118858 Malaysia 03/18/2011 03:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. They needed to poor in concrete like the experts did in Chernobyl, but they wanted to save there precious over due reactors/plants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283030encasing very hot objects in concrete is a very bad idea which is why they need to cool them down to a manageable level before they even think about encasing them in anything and besides... concrete is placed in a wet condition and requires time to "cure" and harden in place. before it could do that (it takes 24 hours or more in the best of conditions and 30 days to reach its "ultimate strength"), the water would boil off and you wouldn't have concrete, you'd have a pile of sand, cement and aggregate (rocks). LOL, OK mister scientist. How does concrete "cure"/"dry" the best? Yes indeed with HEAT. So how fast do you think this concrete will "cure"/"dry" in a nuclear reactor? Did you know that cooling a reactor with SALT water can have HUGE consequences to? Yet they seemed to do that. OK, you are a fucking moron and should just shut the fuck up and let the adults talk. Saltwater actually helps draw the heat out of the rods. The only problem is that it renders them useless, which is not a small matter when you look at the costs of one rod. You and the OP are pretty much on the same level of stupidity. Well I still think that water will break the surface of the reactor into small pieces and then the water vapor will bring these small particles into the air and spread it much faster. |
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User ID: 1264574 United States 03/18/2011 04:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Proof that pouring water on the nuclear plant will only create more smoke! They should use foam instead. There you go using that "think" word again. Peak Oil, Peak Civilization, Peak EVERYTHING People who don't believe in peak oil fall into 3 categories: Uninformed. In denial. Too stupid to understand it. Which one are you? |