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Taking the mark of the beast, or worshiping its image leads to festering sulfuric sores -not eternal damnation

 
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Taking the mark of the beast, or worshiping its image leads to festering sulfuric sores -not eternal damnation
Well I have done a study through the book of Revelation, and according to Revelation chapter 20, God Almighty will judge the final dead before the throne who are not saved believers in Jesus, according to what they had done as recorded in the books of life.

Those who cannot change their personality or wants and desires. The cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

Interestingly the reference in Revelation 14 about not taking the mark of the beast, or worshiping its image(whatever the hell the truth of it actually is), is only ever a mind conscious, or obedience test for Christians only until death. The test is not pointed out for unbelievers.


However in taking the mark or worshiping its image, those people partake only in the fury of God's wrath poured out on the Earth, this is not meaning 'eternal damnation' in the lake of fire. This is shown in Revelation 16: 1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.” 2 The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.

The "will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb" reference correlates with the meaning of festering sores breaking out on the people, not being thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, the eternal death. To take the mark or worshiping the beast, to actually be an eternal never ending punishment, would be totally ludicrous and beyond all mercy and compassion.

Revelation 14

9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

Revelation 19

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

Revelation 20

10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead (unsaved non-believers in Jesus) were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21

6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulphur. This is the second death.”

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Revelation 22

14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

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Re: Taking the mark of the beast, or worshiping its image leads to festering sulfuric sores -not eternal damnation
God has serious anger issues and needs to re-think his stance on us poor souls,seriously many of us try but will always come up short no matter what, I lusted,Ive lied,I've thought of murdering,dabbled in the occult and other 'sinful' things but damit I dont deserve eternal hellfire damnation, IM A HUMAN being a human,a speck of nothing in the vastness of all that there is,why punish me so terribly? very sad god is soo angry at me.
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YOU KNOW WHAT GUYS, i'VE BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT THIS RECENTLY, whoops, sorry literally just looked up from my keyboard noticed all caps. Anyways, my main question is.... How do we know which religion, creed, or particular ideology is or is not from the Devil. For instance, we can all lean towards the RFIID chips, or whatever their acronym is called, as a sign of the beast; their placed in the right hand after all. How about buddhism or hinduism which place much emphasize on the "third eye," which happens to be centered in your forehead. Is then opening of the third eye a signature of the beast? I must say, I definately seem to becoming one within my own these days. I suppose it's all going to boil down to what you honestly believe and hold dear in your heart. Enough said, I apologize for the rant; every once in awhile there needs to be a release.


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God has serious anger issues and needs to re-think his stance on us poor souls,seriously many of us try but will always come up short no matter what, I lusted,Ive lied,I've thought of murdering,dabbled in the occult and other 'sinful' things but damit I dont deserve eternal hellfire damnation, IM A HUMAN being a human,a speck of nothing in the vastness of all that there is,why punish me so terribly? very sad god is soo angry at me.
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Fair enough too, but lets break it down and see what God is meaning here. The problem comes about understanding what the lake of fire and brimstone, or sulfur actually means.

From what I see here, it is that God can save to the uttermost. No one is ever beyond eternal redemption. People who are shameful in their actions, or are deceiving liars, cannot and also clearly would not go through God's gates into his city. The reason is their actions will be instantly known to others around them, and they will be ashamed in themselves because of it.

People that act and talk like evil animal beast dogs, would not want to come into God's city anyway, they could not handle the place, it would freak them out. They would rather be outside God's kingdom gates in the darker regions of existence.

Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts(those who seek to control & manipulate peoples life's, politicians & control freaks), the sexually immoral(Sexual perverts), the murderers, the idolaters(Those who seek riches, wealth & want possessions) and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.(those who are hypocrites and cannot live truthful life's)


Revelation 21

8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulphur. This is the second death.”

27 Nothing impure will ever enter it(God's city), nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Revelation 22

14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
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Let us suppose for a moment that Hell is as the majority of Christian believers describe it—namely, a place of eternal torture.

Hell is a place where those who have not prayed the prayer of salvation will be [or are currently being] tortured without end in the most unbelievably hideous way that any person could possibly imagine: excruciating fire that inflicts pain but does not destroy. It must not be avoided that this is in fact some reflection of the character of God.

God is the creator of all things. No one but God has the power to create. Satan did not invent this place of torment; God did. It was God’s design. God isn’t sitting up in Heaven with His hands tied wishing He had the power to change the system—it’s His own system!

Even those who try to claim that God did not create Hell still have to accept that it is fully within His power to destroy it. If God didn’t create Hell, why does He allow most of His beloved creations to be tortured in it? It must be recognized that some of the culpability for Hell rests on God’s shoulders. What does this say about Him?
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Hmm, isn't God supposed to be placing a seal in the foreheads of all those to be saved?
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8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulphur. This is the second death.”

15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

To me both of those say that if your name isn't in the book you go to the firey lake. I don't remember the exact verse I may need to go try and find it, but having your name in the book means accepting Jesus as savior (that could be something I've been taught, but pretty sure I read that in there)
The /true/ believers will not have gotten the mark. Therefore they would be with the unbelieving and thrown into the lake of fire.
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Let us suppose for a moment that Hell is as the majority of Christian believers describe it—namely, a place of eternal torture.

Hell is a place where those who have not prayed the prayer of salvation will be [or are currently being] tortured without end in the most unbelievably hideous way that any person could possibly imagine: excruciating fire that inflicts pain but does not destroy. It must not be avoided that this is in fact some reflection of the character of God.

God is the creator of all things. No one but God has the power to create. Satan did not invent this place of torment; God did. It was God’s design. God isn’t sitting up in Heaven with His hands tied wishing He had the power to change the system—it’s His own system!

Even those who try to claim that God did not create Hell still have to accept that it is fully within His power to destroy it. If God didn’t create Hell, why does He allow most of His beloved creations to be tortured in it? It must be recognized that some of the culpability for Hell rests on God’s shoulders. What does this say about Him?
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Yes He created it. No argument, since Satan cannot create. But you are missing the important part. He gave us free will to test our faith and obedience. If we did things the right way NO ONE WOULD EVER GO THERE!! So I doubt God is wishing he could change the system, I'm sure He is saddened by our lack of faith and obedience and seeing His lovely creations burning because we couldn't follow simple directions.
And they are not hard directions to follow any more.

Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

And of course accepting Jesus as your savior :P Because I know someone will come and throw that in there XD

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Hmm, isn't God supposed to be placing a seal in the foreheads of all those to be saved?
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There is only specifically mentioned 144,000 male virgins that have not had sex with females, who have never lied or have never actually sinned throughout their whole lifes. The 144,000 are called the 'first fruits' to God amongst all the redeemed of Earth's history.

Revelation 14

The Lamb and the 144,000

1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
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God is the creator of all things. No one but God has the power to create. Satan did not invent this place of torment; God did. It was God’s design. God isn’t sitting up in Heaven with His hands tied wishing He had the power to change the system—it’s His own system!

Even those who try to claim that God did not create Hell still have to accept that it is fully within His power to destroy it. If God didn’t create Hell, why does He allow most of His beloved creations to be tortured in it? It must be recognized that some of the culpability for Hell rests on God’s shoulders. What does this say about Him?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1305382

You hit on the answer to man's existence and our own struggles in each of our lifes.

We are all created in the image of God, we all struggle with our light and dark, with our good and evil potential that lives within us all.

Even so in an almighty, eternal, never ending way, God our creator struggles with his good and evil side, God creates both light and darkness, God creates all things and all potentialities.

God would not be all powerful or all knowing, or even everywhere at the one same moment if he was not the potentiality to be or create all things that could possibly exist.

Remember Lucifer, the devil, or Satan, what ever you want to call him, is only a limited being, a created creature of God. Lucifer is not all powerful, or all knowing, or even everywhere at the same time. Only God the creator is.

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Re: Taking the mark of the beast, or worshiping its image leads to festering sulfuric sores -not eternal damnation
Let us suppose for a moment that Hell is as the majority of Christian believers describe it—namely, a place of eternal torture.

Hell is a place where those who have not prayed the prayer of salvation will be [or are currently being] tortured without end in the most unbelievably hideous way that any person could possibly imagine: excruciating fire that inflicts pain but does not destroy. It must not be avoided that this is in fact some reflection of the character of God.

God is the creator of all things. No one but God has the power to create. Satan did not invent this place of torment; God did. It was God’s design. God isn’t sitting up in Heaven with His hands tied wishing He had the power to change the system—it’s His own system!

Even those who try to claim that God did not create Hell still have to accept that it is fully within His power to destroy it. If God didn’t create Hell, why does He allow most of His beloved creations to be tortured in it? It must be recognized that some of the culpability for Hell rests on God’s shoulders. What does this say about Him?
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Yes He created it. No argument, since Satan cannot create. But you are missing the important part. He gave us free will to test our faith and obedience. If we did things the right way NO ONE WOULD EVER GO THERE!! So I doubt God is wishing he could change the system, I'm sure He is saddened by our lack of faith and obedience and seeing His lovely creations burning because we couldn't follow simple directions.
And they are not hard directions to follow any more.

Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

And of course accepting Jesus as your savior :P Because I know someone will come and throw that in there XD
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Being told "WORSHIP ME OR I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU TORTURED IN UNBEARABLE AGONY FOREVER" is NOT a fucking CHOICE DICKHEAD!!!


ITS THE MOST EVIL MANIPULATIVE DASTARDLY THING YOU COULD SAY!!

Its like building a torture chamber in your basement...putting an add in a dating column saying "Wanted..female..for LOVING PEACEFUL MAN who would DIE for you...BUT..if you DONT respond to this add..I WILL TRACK YOU DOWN AND TORTURE YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE with THE most CRUELLEST torture devices EVER INVENTED"


Tell me...HOW many people would respond to that add??

NONE...

BUT..for arguments sake...

Lets sy this man HAD THE POWER and the INDEMNITY to REALLY DO this....THOSE who DID respond..DID so out of SHEER TERROR...NOT love...

SO WHERE THE FUCK IS THE CHOICE AND FREE WILL you STUPID FUCKS are always BLURTING about eh??

Cause what I just described is GODS DATING ADD you pathetic FUCKWITS!!!
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Let us suppose for a moment that Hell is as the majority of Christian believers describe it—namely, a place of eternal torture.

Hell is a place where those who have not prayed the prayer of salvation will be [or are currently being] tortured without end in the most unbelievably hideous way that any person could possibly imagine: excruciating fire that inflicts pain but does not destroy. It must not be avoided that this is in fact some reflection of the character of God.

God is the creator of all things. No one but God has the power to create. Satan did not invent this place of torment; God did. It was God’s design. God isn’t sitting up in Heaven with His hands tied wishing He had the power to change the system—it’s His own system!

Even those who try to claim that God did not create Hell still have to accept that it is fully within His power to destroy it. If God didn’t create Hell, why does He allow most of His beloved creations to be tortured in it? It must be recognized that some of the culpability for Hell rests on God’s shoulders. What does this say about Him?
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Yes He created it. No argument, since Satan cannot create. But you are missing the important part. He gave us free will to test our faith and obedience. If we did things the right way NO ONE WOULD EVER GO THERE!! So I doubt God is wishing he could change the system, I'm sure He is saddened by our lack of faith and obedience and seeing His lovely creations burning because we couldn't follow simple directions.
And they are not hard directions to follow any more.

Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

And of course accepting Jesus as your savior :P Because I know someone will come and throw that in there XD
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Being told "WORSHIP ME OR I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU TORTURED IN UNBEARABLE AGONY FOREVER" is NOT a #### CHOICE ####!!!


ITS THE MOST EVIL MANIPULATIVE DASTARDLY THING YOU COULD SAY!!

Its like building a torture chamber in your basement...putting an add in a dating column saying "Wanted..female..for LOVING PEACEFUL MAN who would DIE for you...BUT..if you DONT respond to this add..I WILL TRACK YOU DOWN AND TORTURE YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE with THE most CRUELLEST torture devices EVER INVENTED"


Tell me...HOW many people would respond to that add??

NONE...

BUT..for arguments sake...

Lets sy this man HAD THE POWER and the INDEMNITY to REALLY DO this....THOSE who DID respond..DID so out of SHEER TERROR...NOT love...

SO WHERE THE ### IS THE CHOICE AND FREE WILL you STUPID ### are always BLURTING about eh??

Cause what I just described is GODS DATING ADD you pathetic ####!!!
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I'm sorry that that angered you so. But it is still a choice, obviously. You choosing not to believe makes it no less so. If one is choosing to believe only because they want to escape hell its not really faith is it? One should choose to love and accept God for who and what He is, not as an added bonus for avoiding hell. Please don't be so angry, if you are choosing not to believe you can't live this life filled with hate/anger its the only good thing you'll have.
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Being told "WORSHIP ME OR I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU TORTURED IN UNBEARABLE AGONY FOREVER" is NOT a fucking CHOICE DICKHEAD!!!

ITS THE MOST EVIL MANIPULATIVE DASTARDLY THING YOU COULD SAY!!
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Well Jesus never actually said that, neither did God his father.

Like I previously said according to Revelation chapter 20, God Almighty will judge the final dead before the throne who are not saved believers in Jesus, according to what they had done as recorded in the books of life.

So if you are not the below mentioned things that cannot enter into the gates of God's city, then you will be judged by God to have eternal life and to be allowed to enter the gates of his city and drink the water of life freely.

Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts(those who seek to control & manipulate peoples life's, politicians & control freaks), the sexually immoral(Sexual perverts), the murderers, the idolaters(Those who seek riches, wealth & want possessions) and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.(those who are hypocrites and cannot live truthful life's)

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Being told "WORSHIP ME OR I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU TORTURED IN UNBEARABLE AGONY FOREVER" is NOT a fucking CHOICE DICKHEAD!!!

ITS THE MOST EVIL MANIPULATIVE DASTARDLY THING YOU COULD SAY!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1305415

Well Jesus never actually said that, neither did God his father.

Like I previously said according to Revelation chapter 20, God Almighty will judge the final dead before the throne who are not saved believers in Jesus, according to what they had done as recorded in the books of life.

So if you are not the below mentioned things that cannot enter into the gates of God's city, then you will be judged by God to have eternal life and to be allowed to enter the gates of his city and drink the water of life freely.

Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts(those who seek to control & manipulate peoples life's, politicians & control freaks), the sexually immoral(Sexual perverts), the murderers, the idolaters(Those who seek riches, wealth & want possessions) and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.(those who are hypocrites and cannot live truthful life's)

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Salvation is NOT FREE.

ITS THE WORST BLACKMAIL EVERY PERPETUATED ON THE HUMAN RACE!!

WE dont get A CHOICE TO LOVE GOD..WE ARE forced into it WHICH proves god does not love!!!!

You cannot FORCE someone to LOVE you by threatening to burn them alive forever..YOU CANT do that and call it LOVE!

If a man on earth did this..threatened a woman with torture if she did not marry him..and actually DID torture her when she refused..for OBVIOUS reasons..he would be EXECUTED or locked away in a mental house for LIFE!!

BUT GOD says and does the SAME THING TO US!!

FIRST..he FORCES us to be born IN SIN..in a system HE SET UP..PLANNED..AND CREATED..FULLY KNOWING what will happen..he FORCED this life upon us..we DID NOT ASK for it.

Then to confuse the living crap out of us he lets us live with about 50,000 differing religions..MOST of them more or less the same..DO things THEIR way or SUFFER forever...

And then..when we DONT love God the way HE is blackmailing us to do with all his threats....HE HAS US tortured TO DEATH..IN A DEATH THAT never ends..FOR NOT loving such a screwed in the head tyrannical sicko !

BUT WHO would?

WOULD you LOVE SOMEONE WHO forced YOU TO LOVE THEM??

Then WHY does GOD EXPECT..nay..DEMAND..we love HIM..when he threatens to TORTURE US FOREVER if we DONT..for living a life HE FORCED on us?
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Yes He created it. No argument, since Satan cannot create. But you are missing the important part. He gave us free will to test our faith and obedience. If we did things the right way NO ONE WOULD EVER GO THERE!! So I doubt God is wishing he could change the system, I'm sure He is saddened by our lack of faith and obedience and seeing His lovely creations burning because we couldn't follow simple directions.
And they are not hard directions to follow any more.

Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

And of course accepting Jesus as your savior :P Because I know someone will come and throw that in there XD
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You think having someone burned for eternity just because they couldnt follow simple directions makes sense?
I am not a anonymous coward.
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Let us suppose for a moment that Hell is as the majority of Christian believers describe it—namely, a place of eternal torture.

Hell is a place where those who have not prayed the prayer of salvation will be [or are currently being] tortured without end in the most unbelievably hideous way that any person could possibly imagine: excruciating fire that inflicts pain but does not destroy. It must not be avoided that this is in fact some reflection of the character of God.

God is the creator of all things. No one but God has the power to create. Satan did not invent this place of torment; God did. It was God’s design. God isn’t sitting up in Heaven with His hands tied wishing He had the power to change the system—it’s His own system!

Even those who try to claim that God did not create Hell still have to accept that it is fully within His power to destroy it. If God didn’t create Hell, why does He allow most of His beloved creations to be tortured in it? It must be recognized that some of the culpability for Hell rests on God’s shoulders. What does this say about Him?
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Mankind wants to be soverign... yet take no accountability for their own actions...so they hold God responsible.
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Yes He created it. No argument, since Satan cannot create. But you are missing the important part. He gave us free will to test our faith and obedience. If we did things the right way NO ONE WOULD EVER GO THERE!! So I doubt God is wishing he could change the system, I'm sure He is saddened by our lack of faith and obedience and seeing His lovely creations burning because we couldn't follow simple directions.
And they are not hard directions to follow any more.

Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

And of course accepting Jesus as your savior :P Because I know someone will come and throw that in there XD
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You think having someone burned for eternity just because they couldnt follow simple directions makes sense?
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They "couldn't" follow simple directions....

You need to swap "could" with "should"...People know they SHOULD - they CHOOSE NOT TO. Huge difference.
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OP, you are WRONG.
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What a dangerous message you're putting out here OP, leading people to believe that they can possibly take the mark and escape eternal damnation. Absolutely false, dangerous and misleading.

Please delete your post and seek the Lord on this.
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Hmm, isn't God supposed to be placing a seal in the foreheads of all those to be saved?
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There is only specifically mentioned 144,000 male virgins that have not had sex with females, who have never lied or have never actually sinned throughout their whole lifes. The 144,000 are called the 'first fruits' to God amongst all the redeemed of Earth's history.

Revelation 14

The Lamb and the 144,000

1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
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"Women" or "woman" in scripture means "religion, doctrine" apart from the one true God.

Therefore, the 144,000 does not mean soley "men".
"Virgin" has a spiritual meaning of "soley devoted to God", they've never been with another belief, therefore, they are uncorrupted by false beliefs. They ONLY listen to God and Jesus.
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The mark is from the Earth Beast.

Jesus "Overcame the Earth"

As we are to do.
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Revelation 14:9-11 reads:

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

and


Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


and

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
9 Even him [anti-Christ], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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The oldest lie is that first question and lie " Did God really say that? You shall not surely die.

Yes, we all die.

But the great delusion will probably be something about death.

Scientists at cern may contact "the dead" or maybe aliens will appear and offer us immortalit or a way to talk to the dead.

Maybe man will be able to upload themselves or think they are uploading themselves into machines. They will think they will never die or have concurred death itself.

But we all die. The dead are not talking to us.



Now demons have been around and have seen everything.


They can pretend to be anyone and impersonate anyone.


They can pretend to be aliens or take many forms.


They can give us beneficial information from "the dead".

It will seem wonderful. The will seem to be helping us, giving us answers and technology, of course much of it will be beneficial or we wouldn't listen to them.

It will seem as though we are having a reunion with loved ones who want nothing more than to help us and give us all the answers, but along with some of the truth will be lies.


The lie will be that these are our loved ones. It will be demons who use the voice of our loved ones and know all about them. But it really won't be the actual dead person. It will sound like them and know everything about them though.
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Marked by God, or marked by satan, literally and spiritually they are one in the same. You are either a child of God or a child of the devil. Make no mistake about it, if you receive the mark of the beast (which will be some form of this...

[link to news.cnet.com]

...except it will be used for buying and selling, not just for medical purposes) then you are going to be judged and condemed by God.

Get the mark, go to hell, dont get the mark maybe your body will die, but your spirit will live in God's Kingdom for Eternity.

Get it? Got it? Good!
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Says the guy who dresses up like a bat and sneaks around at night beating up victims of systemic poverty.
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Reading literal what is symbolic
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THIS PROVES RIGHT HERE FOR YOU DOG LOVERS, your pet will NOT be in Paradise!

God only loves cats for some reason


"REV22:15- Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts..."
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A Concise Look at the Nature and Duration of Hell





Many Christians and non-Christians alike downplay the biblical presentation of God’s wrath for the unregenerate and their final abode in hell—namely, “everlasting punishment.” The Universalists, Inclusivists, and groups such as the Seventh-Day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses boldly reject the “biblical doctrine” of hell. While this doctrine can be quite difficult to comprehend and thus, accept, biblical doctrine is not determined by emotion or philosophy, but rather by the exegesis of the text. God’s Word is true regardless if one accepts or rejects it (cf. 2 Tim. 3:16).



The Nature of Hell



1. The biblical authors used many terms to describe the final abode of unregenerate, e.g., “hell,” “Hades,” “the lake of fire,” “black darkness,” “eternal punishment,” “eternal flame/fire,” “eternal destruction” (cf. Matt. 18:8; 25:46; 2 Thess. 1:9; Jude 7, 13; etc.).



2. Matthew 25:46 reads: “And these will go away into eternal [aionion] punishment, but the righteous into eternal [aionion] life.” The term “punishment” is from the Greek word, kolasin, which *recognized* lexicographers define (in first cent. Koine; Greek) as “punishment”/”chastisement” (e.g., Thayer, BDAG, et al).



3. Revelation 20:10 reads: “And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” The word “tormented” is from the Greek word basanizo;, which is defined by Thayer as “being vexed with grievous pains.” Basanizo; is also used in Luke 16:23 and, as discussed below, Revelation 14:11 and 20:10. In contrast to the doctrine of Annihilationism, logically one must be awake or conscious to actually experience or (as these texts above plainly indicate) receive “punishment” and “torment” (i.e., being “vexed with grievous pains”). Annihilationism teaches that when the wicked die they are totally destroyed ceasing to exist—however, a person that does not exist cannot be punished or feel anything such as torment.

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[link to www.christiandefense.org]
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the beast is the bible,the mark is religion...because if you cant master the bibles brain and ego traits metaphors its a beast...the bible isn't about "religion"...let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast/bible....count 666 chapters from the end of the bible to psalms 46(B.O.read from the 46th psalms in his speech)...count the 46th word down....then count the 46th word from the end of psalms 46,dont count the Hebrew word selah...heartsthen face-palm yourself to one of the original authors ....king david was modeled after king david of Scotland...these 2 threads will help you understand what the bible is really about> 777 is the number of god and i am god--- duality was invented by secret societies to keep nonmembers dumbed down....there are also the sciences encoded with the stories.....I'll say this slowly>>>>>...........the....................................​..kingdom.................................of.................​...................god..............................is.......​.....................................within..................​.............you...........not physically outside as the counterfeit in symbolism.......look within for all the biblical characters....they are your ego traits and your 3 sided brain/2 sides and pineal gland/god gland/jesus gland...when you pineal gland is clogged up its satan,devil and antichrist..........if your "Religious" you have taken the bait/mark.....if you work out your own salvation with spiritually then you didn't take the mark...maybe i said this too fast>>>>>>>............................................the...​..................................................kingdom....​...............................................of............​............................................god..............​...........................................is................​......................................within.................​.....................................you

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Hmm, isn't God supposed to be placing a seal in the foreheads of all those to be saved?
 Quoting: TROLLFACE 1305367

There is only specifically mentioned 144,000 male virgins that have not had sex with females, who have never lied or have never actually sinned throughout their whole lifes. The 144,000 are called the 'first fruits' to God amongst all the redeemed of Earth's history.

Revelation 14

The Lamb and the 144,000

1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
 Quoting: Bruce Wayne
...song is code for sonnet aka 144th sonnet of Shakespeare...the 4 living creatures are the 4 seasons and the elders are the hours in a day aka the 24 elders...the 144th sonnet tells of the battle within,where the kingdom of god is....

Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 07/08/2012 01:00 PM
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...





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