High-Energy Phy labs Fail around the world? Soudan Underground Lab on Fire, Fermi lab Tevatron and 5 Japan dark-matter exp shutdown?

err stopping us from discovering it...

OMG!!! What HAVE they done?!

so they don't install fire extinguishers in these expensive and possibly dangerous labs,saves costs i suppose.

a high end science labs dealing with this kind of dangerous stuff is suppose to have top of the world auto safety anti-disaster system. and ro at lest some cameras on another power circuit to see what going on. dont worry the local rural Fire departement is handle safety in such hazardous facility...

8 days, pass now and NOTHING is release about this. what they are hidding? what ia the fire cause ? what they plan to do with ALL other experience depending on fermilab? we are talking about 500 millions of your tAXE and safety..

I saw this too...and have my own hypothesis as to why it is happening...

I think it's because of the energy coming from the Galactic Center, the stuff that has bee affecting the Sun the past couple of years, making it emit particles that are responsible for 'mutating life' here on the Earth.
I think that all of the subatomic particles are becoming 'energized' by it, and they are speeding up because of it.
I don't think the equipment that has been designed and built to the old 'energentic spec.s 'can handle it.Particles are moving much more quickly than the equipment was ever designed for.....and it's causing malfunctions in them.

I just watched the movie 2012 again last night with a friend who hadn't seen it and noticed a correlation to this thread - the earth changes where first noticed by the underground physics labs that were monitoring/experimenting with neutrinos.

An interesting list of other DUSAL (Deep Underground Science and Engineering Laboratory) sites around the world.

[link to www.iciclevalley.org]

3 of those listed labs are 'scrap' or disabled since the Fire start at the soudan mine, same time as EQ japan happen..


i just do a quick search about Neutrino detectors around the world. you know what? they are ALL disable or offline. humm

Or they found the dark matter they were searching for.

ire burning in coal underground mine in Kyrgyzstan
28/03-2011 07:46 , Bishkek , 24.kg news agency

In Kyrgyzstan, coal underground mine Chygysh is on fire.

Ministry of Emergency Situations (MChS) considers that accident happened because of “work negligence of Suluktacomur OJSC mine manager Nazarov and former management of the company.”

According to specialists, coal mine inflammation happened on March 20. Gas in the mine is still leaking.

“Former management of Suluktacomur OJSC, sabotaging the work of new management, brought company’s condition to critical condition, despite the prohibition of State Mining and Industrial Supervision, which suspended coal mining license due to unsafe practices and lack of labor protection,” reported MChS of the KR.

According to the department, coal mining reduced by 90 percent. Miners do not work as they are afraid for their lives.

Currently, MChS specialists, leaded by Chief of mine-rescue department Erkin Alimbekov, are working in the mine.

i dont know if its related but the date 19-20 march. SAME as the start fire in soudan.

strange how the 'underground' mine seem to be sudden start on fire.

hum..nothing new info in last 48h internet silent? what about the "investigation'" going on. what is the fire cause no ash found? no foto or images inside?

Wich kind of investigation need the full close out of a national park..

Fukushima reactor products could skew experiment detectors - March 26, 2011

The growing concerns over radiation leaks at the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan – a drama playing out against the wider scale disaster unfolding in the wake of the 11 March earthquake and tsunami – is having an impact in some of the most remote and sheltered corners of the scientific world.

Sensitive experiments in underground laboratories could be affected by the plant’s releases, physicists say, and in some cases measures are being taken to avoid radioactive contamination that would, in other circumstances, be considered negligible.

In a paper posted 25 March, a team at the University of Washington has made its initial measurements of airborne fission products originating from Fukushima. They analyzed the air filters of the university’s ventilation system and report the detection of small amounts of radioactive isotopes such as iodine-131 and cesium-137.

“These are well below health concern levels, but they could definitely impact experiments,” says Michael Miller, a co-author on the paper as well as a team member with MAJORANA, an experiment currently under construction in the Deep Underground Science and Engineering Laboratory (DUSEL) in Homestake, South Dakota. The project will look at double-beta decay in 1 metric ton of germanium crystals in an attempt to determine the mass of the neutrino.

MAJORANA may be particularly sensitive to fallout from Fukushima as its plans call for the construction of a detector with zero radioactive background interference. “A grain of dust would ruin the experiment, a fingerprint would be a disaster,” says Miller. The team had planned to bring copper used in the fabrication of their detector up from underground for machining this weekend. But since this would have exposed the metal to contamination, the move has been delayed.

Given the reported radioactivity levels, other collaborations sensitive to background should consider protecting themselves, says Harry Miley, a physicist at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL) in Richland, Washington, who previously worked on double-beta decay experiments during the 1986 Chernobyl disaster. Cesium-137 is of major concern for such experiments, given that it has a relatively long half-life of 30 years and a sharp energy peak at 662 KeV that could skew a low-energy detector’s results, he adds.

Experiments currently under construction need regular cleaning in labs that have good filtration systems, says Miley, while those in operation could use pressurized tents to prevent outside gas from contaminating their project.

Though the Coherent Germanium Neutrino Technology (CoGeNT) experiment, which sits in the Soudan mine in Minnesota and seeks to detect low-energy recoils from potential dark matter particles, is effectively isolated underground, team-leader Juan Collar of the University of Chicago isn’t taking any chances. “Let us just say that I am asking the crew at Soudan to make darned sure the gas purging system into our detector does not stop working during this downtime,” he writes in an e-mail. Experiments in Soudan have already suffered one potential difficulty recently, when a fire broke out in an elevator shaft.

Other collaborations are less worried. The Large Underground Xenon (LUX) experiment, which is currently building a 1-ton xenon tank to search for dark matter at DUSEL, has historically had to deal with contamination from another noble gas, krypton, says Richard Gaitskell, a physicist at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island who leads LUX. Though krypton-85 in the atmosphere only comes from the venting of nuclear reactors, the team has already developed techniques to keep the krypton levels at the very low level of two parts per trillion, he adds. “Even if the krypton-85 levels go up significantly, we have processes to remove it,” he says.

[link to blogs.nature.com]

how you bet this radiation leak have reach some deep underground "hazardous" experiement at a such high rate to lossing control on it.

on other word, they have a kind of chain reaction underway. be ready to much more disaster with those high energy physic experiment...

Researchers have completed an inspection of damage at the underground physics lab closed due to fire on March 17, says the lab’s director. The Soudan Underground Laboratory of the University of Minnesota was shut down for ten days after fire broke out in the timbers lining an elevator shaft that serves the lab site, located on level 27 of the mine, which is 710 metres underground (the underground location shields out cosmic rays that would act as a source of background noise for experiments in the lab). After going back in for the first time yesterday, lab staff found some damage from firefighting foam forced down the shaft that burst open the doors to the lab, and are reckoning with a need for substantial clean-up to remove debris from the fire that was brought in, says lab director Marvin Marshak. “The good news is that there seems very little damage to any of the experiments in the lab,” he says. One exception was some waterlogging of wires used to magnetize the Main Injector Neutrino Oscillation Search (MINOS) detector, which detects neutrinos beamed from Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois. They will need to be dried out before the detector can be remagnetized. “The fire was unfortunate. However, the alarm systems worked as designed,” Marshak says.

Other experiments at the lab include the Cryogenic Dark Matter Search (CDMS), which was undamaged, and the Coherent Germanium Neutrino Technology (CoGeNT), both of which look for evidence of dark matter particles passing through the Earth. Juan Collar of the University of Chicago and CoGeNT says the unexpected shutdown interrupted a 15 month search for a modulation in the flow of WIMPS, expected to change with the seasons as the Earth moves in its orbit. He doesn’t know when the detector, which needs to be cryogenically cooled and which warmed up when power was cut to the lab, will be back to normal. “It is pretty bad for us,” he says, “ideally we would have liked to look at at least two years of modulation data.”

Image credit: Lab welcome sign, MINOS Collaboration

Coherent Germanium Neutrino Technology (CoGeNT) is less sheiled then other detector, the nuke leak in japan and the open contamination of the underground lab ( door busted by foam?) all this is too much timing to happen by just a bad luck.


They dont mention if the detector with is 10 GeV beam on it was activated during the 'fire'(nothing about the cause yet) sudden shutdown ALL the power in the lab? with no cooler i dunno what are consequence.


why no photo of the lab accident?