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THERE IS NO PRE TRIB RAPTURE!!..READ THIS IF YOU HAVE THE COURAGE!

 
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Complete Surrender
Jetison the Jellybeans

As we all watch hoping and praying for the glorious day we shall see our King Jesus Christ, a state of utter surrender must take over. Everything we hold dear hear on earth, has to take a back seat to the glory of Heaven, and the Kingdom of Jesus. This is often not an easy thing to do.


Putting Father First

All of us have our metphorical “Jelly Beans”. Maybe it’s our Sunday hugs from the folks at church. Maybe it’s or big dinner while watching TV in the evening. We all have some “surrogate Father” we tend to hold on too, instead of seeking the Father directly in all things.

If God had it His way, we would thank Him for every drink of water. If God had it His way, we would thank Him for ever bite of food. Every decision we would make would be “in the best interest of the Kingdom” first and foremost. Everything would take a back seat to the Kingdom of God. For if God lifted His hand of grace from our existence but for one second – we would seek to exist.


Soon It Will Be Too Late

And indeed we won’t understand how foolhardy our priorities have been, until we face our King in Heaven. Until we see HOW BIG forever really is. Then, we will wonder what we were thinking. Then ………………………. instead of now.
Now is the time to make the change.
Now is the time to put Jesus first in every thought you make.
Now is the time to mold your eternity and establish your inheritance.
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I sat down 21 yrs ago to prove to my husband & family that there is a pre raptured and asked the Lord to show me all the proof I needed. I did this for a week straight every night into the early morning hours. When I was done going over so many of the verses that were given I looked up and said "Lord we are not getting out of here ahead of time are we" Since then I have had a peace in my spirit and know that we will be here.

You ask what it matters if we do or dont...It makes a big difference think of the people who will be fooled by a false image of Jesus in the sky or if they find out that we are going thru it and did not get out this is the "Great deception" many of the great Elite will be fooled (remember those verses how can the very Elite be fooled if they have been raptured")
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More rapture tard MADNESS.
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My understanding is there will be places for people to go to where they will be safe. A sanctuary so to speak, where no evil will come. But, yes, the rapture comes at the end, unless you are one of the 144000.
Isaiah 11:11 says they will be gathered up! Sounds like a rapture to me. The 144000 I am referring to.
I will say that our understanding of the bible is from what we have been taught, and unfortunately most of what we have been taught is not right. I have taken to reading the bible myself and it is amazing what is opening up to me. It truly is a living word!!!!!
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ONLY reply to this AFTER you have read it TWICE.
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Why is it so important for you to debunk pretrib rapture?
Why, why, why why?
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Because he's Australian. Land of the pricks.
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The 7th seal breaks at the end of April 2011/My 2011. That is the first big tribulation. Parallel or shortly afterwards aliens will land. Leader is Lord Sananda (well known as Jesus Christ, which was one of his incarnations). That is the return of Jesus! He will not stay on earth!!!!
The rapture - only for less than 0,3 % will be about 2 months later. Another peak in the tribulation will be in September/Ocotber 2011. The rapture is so to say between to peaks.

Believe it or not. It is my duty to post the messages of Jesus Christ - since more than 15 years. My job is not to convince you.
 Quoting: Stefan Parlow


And my duty is to point out, that you're a completely deluded fool.
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OH MY MY YOU GOT THE WRONG JESUS RUN!!!!!
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Boy...

You are definitely fighting any idea that the "Christians" could believe in something that you don't.

Good luck with that fight.

In the meantime, I would suggest calming down and possibly taking a nap. You see, a whole lot of people are about to soon find out that everything they believed was all fabricated anyway. Therefore, you can feel good to know that you "fought the good fight,"...I guess.

Just prepare yourself as well...I think there are going to be PLENTY of things put into question for YOU TOO.

Enjoy your day.

hfhfhfhfhfhfhf
watching the "run up" to the elections and the "hopes and dreams" that are built as a result is like watching a dead mouse that is still able to make his exercise wheel go around because his nerves are still twitching that familiar motion...
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Boy...

You are definitely fighting any idea that the "Christians" could believe in something that you don't.

Good luck with that fight.

In the meantime, I would suggest calming down and possibly taking a nap. You see, a whole lot of people are about to soon find out that everything they believed was all fabricated anyway. Therefore, you can feel good to know that you "fought the good fight,"...I guess.

Just prepare yourself as well...I think there are going to be PLENTY of things put into question for YOU TOO.

Enjoy your day.

hfhfhfhfhfhfhf
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I bet you didnt even read OPs post.

Until you do.

Keep your PRE emptive judgments to yourself.
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Read twice? It would take a week to read it once! I can type a wall of irrefutable Biblical references to support pre-tribulation rapture. Bible scholars like John Hagee, much more learned than you and I, believe the pre-trib rapture will occur and so do I. One last thing, why isn't the Church mentioned after the third chapter of Revelations? It's because God's people have been raptured!
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Read twice? It would take a week to read it once! I can type a wall of irrefutable Biblical references to support pre-tribulation rapture. Bible scholars like John Hagee, much more learned than you and I, believe the pre-trib rapture will occur and so do I. One last thing, why isn't the Church mentioned after the third chapter of Revelations? It's because God's people have been raptured!
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YOU didnt even read it once.

I USED to be FIRMLY pre trib..until I read it..it blows haggee and all the other LIARS OUT of the water.

But you WONT give it a chance..TOO LAZY to know the TRUTH.
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TROLL! have you nothing better to do? spend sometime away from the computer. That goes for all of you!
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OP can you try to debunk UFOs? I think your chances are better in that field, also you wont be punished for doing so.

Leave the work of spirituality to those who are truly knowledgeable on the subject.
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sorry, im not going to read all that even once and i am gonna reply. rapture is a perfectly sound doctrine and is all through the bible. YOU read it again, YOU read the bible and find references to being caught up. Then, if YOU have the courage, ask the almighty God if there is a rapture and to show it to you if you really want to know. If not, YOU are the person mentioned in the bible that says, my master is staying away a long time and then begins to beat the servants. Not only is it CLEARLY discribed repeatedly, God has revealed it to many through dreams and visions as He has for me. You got to me tooooo late to tell me the truth isn't the truth. Stop beating God's servants by your feeble attempts to destroy their blessed hope promised them.
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Rapture is a Darby Scofield Fairytale do ur research!
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sorry, im not going to read all that even once and i am gonna reply. rapture is a perfectly sound doctrine and is all through the bible. YOU read it again, YOU read the bible and find references to being caught up. Then, if YOU have the courage, ask the almighty God if there is a rapture and to show it to you if you really want to know. If not, YOU are the person mentioned in the bible that says, my master is staying away a long time and then begins to beat the servants. Not only is it CLEARLY discribed repeatedly, God has revealed it to many through dreams and visions as He has for me. You got to me tooooo late to tell me the truth isn't the truth. Stop beating God's servants by your feeble attempts to destroy their blessed hope promised them.
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Rapture is a Darby Scofield Fairytale do ur research!
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Amen Brother!
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The 7th seal breaks at the end of April 2011/My 2011. That is the first big tribulation. Parallel or shortly afterwards aliens will land. Leader is Lord Sananda (well known as Jesus Christ, which was one of his incarnations). That is the return of Jesus! He will not stay on earth!!!!
The rapture - only for less than 0,3 % will be about 2 months later. Another peak in the tribulation will be in September/Ocotber 2011. The rapture is so to say between to peaks.

Believe it or not. It is my duty to post the messages of Jesus Christ - since more than 15 years. My job is not to convince you.
 Quoting: Stefan Parlow


And my duty is to point out, that you're a completely deluded fool.
 Quoting: LVPravdaFan


OH MY MY YOU GOT THE WRONG JESUS RUN!!!!!
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Fool? You are still rejecting the Real, (Biblical) Messiah, and his Father's name, and you call this person a fool?
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"Watch you therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

~~Luke 21:36

If there's no "escape", why would Jesus tell us to pray continuously for it?
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Good stuff right there. Might have hit a speed bump in that longwinded dissertation of yours OP.
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"Watch you therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

~~Luke 21:36

If there's no "escape", why would Jesus tell us to pray continuously for it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1224016


Good stuff right there. Might have hit a speed bump in that longwinded dissertation of yours OP.
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you are mistaken. the escape he spoke of is not the fool's paradise 'Rapture'. Don't you have any imagination at all?

Escape means to escape, there are many ways for that to happen, so you will not be hurt/killed/caught up and taken away by demonic forces.
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"In the world, ye shall have tribulation".

"If they did so to me, (the Master), will they not do it also to you, the servants?"

Pray therefore, without ceasing, that ye be considered worthy to escape all these things which will come upon the earth...'

(it listed the calamities which will come)

but not by rapture in the sky

or spiritual disappearance to another place

"Hide thyself (thyself, it is kind of up to us) as it were, for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast."


It will be longer than a little moment
Hide thyself does pertain, though, I think, since it corroborates other scriptures which say to 'when you see therefore the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, (whoso readeth, may he understand) then let those which be in Judea flee to the mountains...

and woe to those that give suck in those days, or those that be with child, ... for great shall be the tribulation of those days...

it is a good time not to try to have children, then, the closer we are getting to this point. Of course, do not use condoms or withdrawal, or other abortifacients, but do not actually try.

You can use a barrier method, such as a sponge in lemon and honey

Just so you know :)
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And do breastfeed, cause as hard as it is, there wil be no bottles nor formula.

Best next thing, have pet goats.
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Just so you know ;0 yum goat milk = good for baby, but can the goat give milk while fleeing?
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"Watch you therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

~~Luke 21:36

If there's no "escape", why would Jesus tell us to pray continuously for it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1224016


Good stuff right there. Might have hit a speed bump in that longwinded dissertation of yours OP.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


you are mistaken. the escape he spoke of is not the fool's paradise 'Rapture'. Don't you have any imagination at all?

Escape means to escape, there are many ways for that to happen, so you will not be hurt/killed/caught up and taken away by demonic forces.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 941914


OK then, who is the Son of Man?
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[Saw this incredible bit on the net. Any response?]

Pretrib Rapture Pride

by Bruce Rockwell

Pretrib rapture promoters like Thomas Ice give the impression they know more than the early Church Fathers, the Reformers, the greatest Greek New Testament scholars including those who produced the KJV Bible, the founders of their favorite Bible schools, and even their own mentors!
Ice's mentor, Dallas Sem. president John Walvoord, couldn't find anyone holding to pretrib before 1830 - and Walvoord called John Darby and his Brethren followers "the early pretribulationists" (RQ, pp. 160-62). Ice belittles Walvoord and claims that several pre-1830 persons, including "Pseudo-Ephraem" and a "Rev. Morgan Edwards," taught a pretrib rapture. Even though the first one viewed Antichrist's arrival as the only "imminent" event, Ice (and Grant Jeffrey) audaciously claim he expected an "imminent" pretrib rapture! And Ice (and John Bray) have covered up Edwards' historicism which made a pretrib rapture impossible! Google historian Dave MacPherson's "Deceiving and Being Deceived" for documentation on these and similar historical distortions.
The same pretrib defenders, when combing ancient books, deviously read "pretrib" into phrases like "before Armageddon," "before the final conflagration," and "escape all these things"!
BTW, the KJV translators' other writings found in London's famed British Library (where MacPherson has researched) don't have even a hint of pretrib rapturism. Is it possible that Ice etc. have found pretrib "proof" in the KJV that its translators never found?
Pretrib merchandisers like Ice claim that nothing is better pretrib proof than Rev. 3:10. They also cover up "Famous Rapture Watchers" (on Google) which shows how the greatest Greek NT scholars of all time interpreted it.
Pretrib didn't flourish in America much before the 1909 Scofield Bible which has pretribby "explanatory notes" in its margins. Not seen in the margins was jailed forger Scofield's criminal record throughout his life that David Lutzweiler has documented in his recent book "The Praise of Folly" which is available online.
Biola University's doctrinal statement says Christ's return is "premillennial" and "before the Tribulation." Although universities stand for "academic freedom," Biola has added these narrow, restrictive phrases - non-essentials the founders purposely didn't include in their original doctrinal statement when Biola was just a small Bible institute! And other Christian schools have also belittled their founders.
Ice, BTW, has a "Ph.D" issued by a tiny Texas school that wasn't authorized to issue degrees! Ice now says that he's working on another "Ph.D" via the University of Wales in Britain. For light on the degrees of Ice's scholarliness, Google "Bogus degree scandal prompts calls to wind up University of Wales," "Thomas Ice (Bloopers)," "be careful in polemics - Peripatetic Learning," and "Walvoord Melts Ice." Also Google "Thomas Ice (Hired Gun)" - featured by media luminary Joe Ortiz on his Jan. 30, 2013 "End Times Passover" blog.
Other fascinating Google articles include "The Unoriginal John Darby," "X-raying Margaret," "Edward Irving in Unnerving," "Pretrib Rapture Politics," "Pretrib Rapture Secrets," "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," "Pretrib Hypocrisy," "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," and "Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism" - most from the author of "The Rapture Plot," the most accurate documentation on pretrib rapture history.
Can anyone guess who the last proud pretrib rapture holdout will be?
(Postscript: For another jolt or two Google "The Background Obama Can't Cover Up.")
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I totally agree; there can be no pre-trib rapture if we take the words of Jesus seriously:

After speaking to his disciples about a tribulation so great, it would be unequalled past, present or future; and that if God does not intervene, no flesh would be spared; Jesus went on to say:

But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 and the stars of Heaven shall fall, and the powers in the heavens shall be shaken. 26 And then they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He shall send His angels and shall gather His elect from the four winds, from the end of the earth to the end of heaven. Mark 13:24-27 (MKJV)

Notice, the rapture/catching up of the elect, does not happen until after all other things have taken place, this proves a post-tribulation rapture. And remember, these are not the words of an imperfect bible commentator, but rather, the words of the Son of God.

AF.
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ONLY reply to this AFTER you have read it TWICE.

IF you have the courage to let a false teaching GO.

Because pre trib is BLOWN TO PEICES byt this post.

There is NO WAY you can read this and then still say pre trib is correct.

I challenge one and all to PROVE THIS POST WRONG!

Scriptures that prove the post trib rapture.


The first thing I will say is to prove the post trib rapture you only need to show two things in scripture (although I will do much more than that in this post) #1 that the 2nd coming is after the Tribulation, and #2 that the rapture is at the 2nd coming. (side note: the resurrection of the just is also at the post trib 2nd coming of Christ yet before the rapture this is important to know as we move on)

So #1 The 2nd coming is after the tribulation
Matthew 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And (THEN)he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other.

There is no mistaking, the meaning of this verse, nor can you mistake when it will take place. The coming of the Son of man is immediately after the tribulation of those day. Just to show that this is the Great Tribulation and just one tribulation of many lets start the text at verse 21 and read through verse 31.

Matthew 24:21-31
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days be shortened, there shall no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened.
23 then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.(Kinda hard to do..seeing as you think the ELECT wont BE here huh?)

25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall the coming of the Son of man be. (Yeah..REAL secret aint it??...NOT)
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.(Not a very secret event eh?)

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other.

There is no doubt that this is referring to The Great Tribulation and not just a tribulation. We also see that it is after the tribulation that Jesus returns. We also see that there is a gathering together of the elect at this point. Some argue that they are gathered from Heaven and not from Earth because they were raptured seven years earlier before the tribulation started. So I will now show in Mark 13:24-27, the sister scripture to Matthew 24:29-31 that they not only gathered from Heaven, but from Heaven and Earth.
Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after this tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light.25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then he shall send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

So we see that Jesus gathers the elect from Heaven and Earth at the end of the tribulation from Heaven'' the dead in Christ'' from Earth '' those that are still living''. We also see that this is the Great Tribulation not a tribulation as verse 19 shows

Mark 13:19 For in those day there shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

We can make the case from these scriptures that the resurrection of the just, and the rapture is after the tribulation. However that is not the point I am using them to make. The point is the second coming of Christ is after the Great Tribulation, and biblically you can clearly see that this is the case. Now I will show you that the rapture is at this post trib second coming.

#2 The rapture is at the 2nd coming of Christ (which per point 1 is post trib.
1st Thessalonians 4:15-17
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not preceed them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout, with the voice of an arch angel, and with the trump of God: and the dead will rise first:(THE RESSURECTION OF THE JUST!)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall ever be with the Lord.

There are two main things I would like you to notice about this verse. First ....that the dead in Christ rise first. This is important because, there will be scripture use later that speaks of the resurrection of the just happening at the second coming, and we need to realize that the living will not precede the dead but will be caught up after them. So if the resurrection of the just is post trib then the rapture would be as well. Secondly I will give you the timing of this event that all agree is the rapture.

Verse 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not preceed them which are asleep.

The rapture takes place at the coming of the Lord, which we have already shown is after the tribulation. I could stop right now this is all the proof we need, but I have more. By the way, some thing for you to notice if a pretrib teacher ever teaches on the rapture they will skip verse 15 and quote verse 16 and 17 only. Is this open deception or an over sight? I will let you decide.

1st Corinthians 15:20-23
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward that they are Christ's at his coming.
We will all be resurrected and there will be an order. Jesus is first, that has already happen, and then those that are Christ's, those that have been saved (Christians) at His coming. There is no mention of a resurrection of the righteous between Jesus' resurrection and his second coming. As a matter of fact it says that those that belong to Christ will be resurrected at the post trib second coming. We saw in 1st Thessalonians that the dead are raised before the living are raptured. So if the resurrection of the dead in Christ is at the post trib second coming then the rapture has to be as well.

2nd Thessalonians 2:1-3
1 Now we beseech you, bretheren. by the coming of the Lord and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled in spirit, nor by word, nor by letter from us, and the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there be a falling away first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

In verse 1 Paul is speaking of two events. the coming of the Lord or '' The second coming'' and the gathering together unto him or '' the resurrection of the just and or rapture''. In verse 3 we see that Paul says these two event happen on a singular day ''That day''. Also in verse 3 Paul writes that that day could not happen until after the falling away takes place and the anti christ is revealed. Some pretrib preachers go as far as to say the falling away is the rapture, teaching that the rapture must come before the second coming. However the greek word for falling away is ''apostasia'', which literally means a turning from the truth. So the church itself will turn from the truth (Seems the pre trib rapture doctrine is PROOF of this)and then the anti christ will be revealed and then (AND ONLY THEN)the rapture can take place, not before. This passage excludes the pretrib view because we know that the anti christ will not be revealed before the tribulation starts but AFTER!!!. Further more it proves the post trib view because it declares that the second coming and the rapture take place on the same day. These two events are not seven years apart, not three and a half years apart, not one year, one month or one day apart. They occur on the same exact day.

1st John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
When does Christ appear? At his post trib second coming. When shall we be like him? When we receive our heavenly bodies, which is at the resurrection of the just and or the rapture. So this verse actually says that we will be resurrected and or raptured to receive our heavenly immortal bodies at the post trib second coming. 
I think the scriptural evidence of a post trib rapture that I have presented so far is overwhelming.

BUT THERE IS MUCH MUCH MORE!!!!

Real quickly I will give three verses that state that we must endure until the very end to be saved.
Matthew 24:12-13, Mark 13:13, and Revelation 2:26.
Matthew 24:12-13
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

(NOTICE IT DIDNT SAY HE WHO ENDURES TO THE START..OR THE MIDDLE..BUT THE END..WHAT PART OF "END" DONT YOU GET YET?)

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Both of these passages say he that endures unto the end, shall be saved. Some teach that this means you must keep your faith until your death to get to heaven. Actually if you will notice, both of these passage are in chapters that are specifically explaining the events of the tribulation.

In Matthew it says that iniquity will abound. In Mark it says we will be hated by all men for Christ's name sake. What these verse are telling us is that only those that do not turn from Christ during the tribulation will be saved. Those of us that endure until the very end shall be saved.Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keeps my works until the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

NOTICE THIS...

It is only those that keep God's holy word until the very end that will reign with Christ during the Millennium. We must endure until the end show let me show you want the end is.

1st Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stabblish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.Notice when the end is, when Jesus returns.

Also notice that it says Jesus will return with all His saints. This is impossible with a pretrib view. If Jesus raptures the righteous before the tribulation then return at the end of it with the raptured saints. The tribulational converts and ''Jewish saints'' would not be with Him. Therefore He would not be returning with all His saints.

Although....if He catches up the righteous as he is returning with the dead in Christ as it say He will in 1st Thessalonians 4:14-17, to meet Him in the air, then come to earth with Him. He would be returning with all His saints. So you just cant have it BOTH ways..did Jesus MEAN what he said OR DINT he??

1st Thessalonians 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them that sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (DEAD)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout, with the voice of an arch angel, and with the trump of God: and the dead will rise first:(FIRST RESSURECTION)17 Then (MEANING RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST RESSURECTION)we which are alive and remain (THOSE THAT ENDURED TO THE END AND SURVIVED)shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, (THE RAPTURE)and so we shall ever be with the Lord.
Verse 14 says that the dead in Christ are returning from heaven with Christ, and in verse 16 we see as He is returning their bodied rise from the grave to meet their souls, we know from 1st Corinthians 15:51-53 that this is when they receive their immortal bodies.

Then we which are alive and remain are caught up to meet them in the air. The post trib view is the only view that would allow 1st Thessalonians 3:13 to be true (which we know it is because it is the word of God) after we are caught up, we immediately return from the air to earth with Christ. Then and only then would He be returning will all His saints.

We will be raised at the last day John 6:39, 40, 44, and 54
John 6:39, 40, 44 , and 54

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should loose nothing, but raise it up at the last day.40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.54 Whosoever eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.Jesus repeatedly declares that He will raise us up at the last day. Not seven years before, not three and a half years before, not one year, one month , or one day before, but at the last day.Tell me..WHAT part of "LAST DAY dont you get yet?)

At the last trump,
1st Corinthians 15:51-53
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, (THEN..RIGHT AFTER THAT)and we shall be changed.(RAPTURED)[/b]53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

(YEP..THATS THE RAPTURE ALRIGHT..RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST RESSURECTION WHICH IS CLEARLY SEEN WITH NO SCRIPTURE TWISTING NEEDED...TO HAPPEN WHEN???..AT THE LORD RETURN ON THE LAAAAST DAY!!!)

Anyone cane EASILY SEE that this is referring to the event known as the rapture. We see in the passage that it tell us when it will happen ''at the last trump''. We also see in Matthew 24:29-31 that there will be a trumpet sounded after the tribulation has ended.
Matthew 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation (I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW PRE TRIBBER CAN IGNORE THIS..PERHAPS IT THREATENS THEIR BOOK SALES TOO MUCH)of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect(RAPTURE THEM) from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other.
If the rapture is at the last trump, which we know it is because God's word says it does. Then the rapture can not be before the trumpet sounded in Matthew 24, which is sounded after the tribulation is over.

Next I will show two more things #1 that the wicked are destroyed by fire at the post trib 2nd coming of Christ, and #2 that the rapture is on the same day that Christ return at the end of the Tribulation to destroy the wicked.

#1 The destruction of the wicked by fire at the post trib 2nd coming.

Matthew 3:7-12
7 But when he ( John the Baptist) saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, we have Abraham as our father: for I say unto you that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree that brings forth not good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he will baptize you with the Holy Ghost(FOR THE RIGHTEOUS), and with fire.(FOR THE WICKED)
12 Whose fan is in his hand, he shall throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into his garner, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

There is only three times in the New Testament that the phrase ''wrath to come'' is mentioned. Once in 1st Thessalonians 1:10, once here in Matthew 3:7 and in Luke 3:7 which is telling the same story about John the Baptist warning the masses of the wrath that is to come. So what is the ''wrath to come'' that he was warning them from? It is the purging of the floor mentioned in verse 12. It is the baptism of fire when the wicked will be overwhelmed by fire at the return of Jesus, it is the burning of the chaff which will occur when Jesus returns at the post trib second coming. The wrath to come that Jesus has delivered us from by his death and resurrection, is the destruction of the wicked by fire at the second coming of Christ.
 
1st Thessalonians 5:2-3
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

The destruction of the wicked is not a prolonged seven years period, but it is sudden destruction that will come upon them when Jesus returns at the post trib second coming.

2nd Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

When Jesus returns He is coming in power and great glory, the tribes of the earth shall mourn and every one that is not in Christ including the anti christ will be destroyed immediately by the brightness of His coming.

Hebrews 10:26-27
26 For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation that shall devour the adversaries.The wrath to come is the judgment of God were He will destroy all His adversaries with a fiery indignation, when Jesus returns, not the entire tribulation period.

2nd Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burnt up.

This doesn't sound like a pretrib event, there wouldn't be anything left to live on earth for the next seven years. The day of the Lord is a post tribulational event. Where Jesus will destroy all with fire, but first he will resurrect the dead in Christ and catch away the living saints.

I have shown that the wrath is the fiery destruction of the wicked which occurs at the return of Christ. It is not the tribulation period itself. Next, I will give scripture that shows that the second coming, the resurrection of the just, the rapture of the living saints and the destruction of the wicked by fire happen all at once.

#2 The rapture is at the post rib 2nd coming on the same day Christ return to deatroy the wicked.
Pretrib ''Theologians'' boldly proclaim that when ever the second coming is mentioned, there is no mention of the church being raptured, and when ever the rapture is mentioned there is no mention of the destruction of the wicked. Well, I have four passages of scripture that will eliminate that myth once and for all. The first text I will use is Matthew 3:12, I will revisit the words of John the baptist.

Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, he shall throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into his garner, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Notice that when Jesus comes to purge His floor, He first gathers the wheat and then burns the chaff. This is what will occur at the second coming. When Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation, He will resurrect the just, rapture the saints, and then burn the wicked with an unquenchable fire.

Matthew 24:37-41
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving into marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came and took them all away,(IN OTHER WORKDS..KILLED THEM ALL SUDDENLY) so shall the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field one taken,(KILLED..NOT RAPTURED) and the other left.
41 Two woman shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken and the other left.
The flood came and took them away (DROWNED THEM ALL)when they were unaware, so will the coming of Christ be, but this next flood will be a flood of fire. At this point, at the post trib second coming when Jesus is returning to destroy the wicked is when the rapture takes place. Verse 40 and 41 declare THEN will one be taken (BURNT UP SUDDENLY BY FIRE)and the other left, not before the return of Christ, but at it.

Luke 17:26-30
26 And as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, and they were given into marriage, until Noah entered into the ark then the flood came and destroyed them all.

The very day Noah entered the ark the flood came and destroyed them all, once again it was not a seven year prolonged period of destruction but it was immediate, the very day the righteous were removed.
28 Likewise also as it was in the day of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone down from heaven and destroyed them all.30 Even thus shall it be in the day the Son of man shall be revealed.

It very clear the SAME DAY Noah went on the ark the flood came and destroyed them all. The SAME DAY Lot was taken, out of Sodom fire and brimstone rain from heaven and destroyed them all. The text says this is exactly how it will be when Jesus returns. The very SAME DAY Jesus returns at His post trib second coming is the very SAME DAY we will be taken out or '' raptured '' and it is the very SAME DAY He will destroy the wicked. This will be confirmed in my next text 2nd Thessalonins 1:6-10 as well.

2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation on them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe ( because our testimony among you was believed ) in that day.We receive our rest when Jesus is revealed with his mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God.

In other words we are raptured at the post trib second coming when Jesus returns to destroy the wicked with fire. Lets look at verse 7 and 8 again.
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
There is no question that this passage places the post trib second coming, the rapture of the saints, and the destruction of the wicked all at the very same time. The pretib ''Theologian'' that claims the Bible never says as much, must of missed this passage. We cannot ignore God's word, so I choose to ignore the pretrib ''Theologian''.

Lastly I will give a reference in Revelation 20:4-6 that tells us that the raptre is after the Tribulation (remember the resurrection of the just comes before rapture of the living saints). In Revelation 20:4-6 it shows us the the 1st resurrection the resurrection of the just is after the Tribulation because it include those that were martyred during the Tribulation.

Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands,; and they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousands years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

As CAN CLEARLY AND IRREFUTABLE CAN BE SEEN NOW...The first resurrection is after the tribulation, we know this because it includes the tribulational martyrs.

There can be no resurrection before the first resurrection, otherwise it would be a SECOND ressurection..or a THIRD even, therefore there can not be a mass resurrection of the dead in Christ before the tribulation. Seeing that the first resurrection takes place at the end of the tribulation, the pretrib rapture along with the mid trib, and pre wrath rapture become biblically impossible. The only view that fits is that of a post trib rapture. The first resurrection is the resurrection of the just and the rapture immediately proceeds it.


So to summarise....

The first ressurection happens at the LAST day..the very day Jesus returns to begin his reign and toast the evil ones at armageddon....yes???

The SECOND ressurection happens at the end of the thousand years not long after stan is let loose again to lead his final rebellion..correct??

So...according to the bible...Jesus returns..gathers all who are his...the dead who LOVED him and God..followed by those who are still alive who love himm....and wipes out the antichrist at the end of the tribulation..FIRST ressurection..

There are only TWO ressurections..a "First"..which is for the righteous..and a "Second" which is for the evil.
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If the only rapture is after the tribulation......."there will be two working in the field, one taken one left behind,they will be marrying making merry till I return. Is anyone doing all this in Syria now? Will anyone be doing all this after the tribulation? No my fiends it will be every man against fix brother even family.clearly the bible is speaking about two events here just one does not add up. No one will be taken who has the mark and they are the only one allowed to work!
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Pre-tribulation Rapture ???



2 Peter3:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with A GREAT NOISE, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.



Job14:12

So man lieth down, and RISETH NOT: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, NOR BE RAISED out of their sleep.



Jeremiah25:30-31

Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give A SHOUT, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth. 31 A NOISE shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with ALL flesh; he will give them that are wicked to sword, saith the LORD.
[See Jer.25:33 w/- Matt. 24:27-28; Lk. 17:29-37; Rev. 19:17-18; Isa 26:21; Isa. 66:16]

1 Thessalonians4:16-17

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven WITH A SHOUT, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first::17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.



Psalm50:3-5

Our God shall come, and shall NOT keep SILENCE a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. 4 HE SHALL CALL to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. 5 gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. [cf. 2 Thess. 1:7-10 -comes in flaming fire]



Psalm75:2-3

WHEN I shall RECIEVE THE CONGREGATION I will JUDGE uprightly. 3 the earth and all the the inhabitants thereof are disolved. I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.



2 Timothy4:1 & 8

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead AT HIS APPEARING and his kingdom; ... 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto ALL THEM also that love HIS APPEARING.



Revelation19:11-15

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were MANY crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and WRATH of Almighty God.

[ The same sword that is seen in Jer. 25:31]



Hebrews4:12

For the WORD OF GOD is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.



THE sword of the Spirit, which is THE WORD OF GOD: (Eph. 6:17)





John12:48

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not MY WORDS, hath one that judgeth him: THE WORD that I have spoken, the same SHALL JUDGE HIM in the last day.



John6:39

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.



John6:40

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.



John6:44

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.



John11:24-26

Martha saith unto him, I know that HE SHALL RISE AGAIN in the resurrection AT the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and BELIEVETH in me shall NEVER DIE. Believest thou this?



Our Resurrected Glorified Bodies Will SHINE

Job14:12

So man lieth down, and RISETH NOT: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, NOR BE RAISED out of their sleep.



Job14:14-15

If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. 15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.



1 Corinthians15:51-52

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.





Philippians3:20-21

For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.



Colossians3:4

When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.



Romans8:17-18

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.



1 John3:2

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.



Psalm17:15

As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.



Revelation1:16

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.



Matthew17:2

And [Jesus] was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.



Daniel12:1-3

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.



Matthew13:40-43 -

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.



1 Corinthians3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.



Compare Revelation 11:15 through 18 - The day of the Lord's wrath, the resurrection and rewards to the saints and also to the ungodly – all on the same day. This is in perfect harmony with 1 Corinthians chapter Fifteen



Revelation 11:15 - "the seventh angel sounded…”



1 Corinthians15:52-54 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.



Revelation 11:17 "...we give thee thanks O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned”



Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

1 Corinthians 15:22-26 {in part} - 22 “…in Christ shall all be made alive” … 23 they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 then cometh the end … 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be

destroyed is death”.



Revelation 11:17:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.





GLP